PDA

View Full Version : Football NFL: Suspensions more likely for illegal hits


Tribal Warfare
03-17-2011, 01:21 AM
NFL: Suspensions more likely for illegal hits
(http://www.kansascity.com/2011/03/16/2729714/nfl-suspensions-more-likely-for.html)
The Associated Press

The NFL will be more aggressive in suspending players next season for illegal hits, and also could make changes to instant replay and kickoffs.

Ray Anderson, the league's chief disciplinarian, said Wednesday that repeat offenders or players committing flagrant illegal hits will have a much greater chance of being suspended during the 2011 season.

No suspensions were handed down in 2010 even after the NFL's crackdown on such hits, in part because "we were operating under the principle unless you have given sufficient advance notice of what the results could be, you need to be more lenient," Anderson said.

"Frankly, now that the notice has been given, players and coaches and clubs are very aware of what the emphasis is and we won't have that hesitation," Anderson said. "Everyone will be very clearly on notice now that a suspension is very viable for us and we will exercise it ... when it comes to illegal hits to the head and neck area and to defenseless players."

The NFL increased the amount on its fines for such hits last year after a series of fouls on one October weekend. Pittsburgh Steelers linebacker James Harrison was fined $75,000 for one such tackle, while Atlanta Falcons cornerback Dunta Robinson and New England Patriots safety Brandon Meriweather were docked $50,000 for hits to defenseless opponents that weekend.

Many more fines were implemented throughout the remainder of last season but no player was suspended, even though suspensions were considered, Anderson said.

"We want to be much more clear on what can be a suspendable incident," Anderson said. "The emphasis is on head and neck hits and what a defenseless player is. And we will work hard that people understand what is a repeat offender and what is a flagrant foul."

The league looks at two years worth of plays to determined repeat offenders.

Rules defining a defenseless player will be expanded and now will include eight categories:

-A quarterback in the act of throwing;

-A receiver trying to catch a pass;

-A runner already in the grasp of tacklers and having his forward progress stopped;

-A player fielding a punt or a kickoff;

-A kicker or punter during the kick;

-A quarterback at any time after change of possession;

-A receiver who receives a blind-side block;

-A player already on the ground.

At next week's owners meetings in New Orleans, the competition committee will propose moving the kickoff up to the 35 yard-line, and bringing a touchback out to the 25. There would be no changes for touchbacks on any other plays, with the ball coming out to the 20.

No player other than the kicker would be allowed to line up more than 5 yards behind the ball, and the committee will suggest outlawing the wedge on kickoffs; all blocking wedges were reduced to two players in 2009.

"The injury rate on kickoffs remains a real concern for us and the players and the coaches' subcommittee," said Falcons president Rich McKay, the chairman of the competition committee. "This is a pretty major change."

So would be making all scoring plays reviewable, another proposal the committee will bring to the owners on Monday. This change would empower the replay official to order replays on any touchdowns, field goals, safeties and extra points without the coaches needing to challenge. It would be similar to the current system for the final two minutes of each half and for overtime. It also would mirror what colleges do on scoring plays for entire games.

Eliminating a third coach's challenge if he is successful on the first two also will be proposed; McKay said the third challenge rarely was used.

There will be no "Calvin Johnson rule" proposal on what is a catch. Johnson seemingly made a touchdown reception late in the Lions' season opener last September, but had it ruled incomplete because, with the ball still in his hand, it touched the ground as he raced off to celebrate. McKay's committee is only recommending a further clarification of the rules on such receptions.

"We confirmed a rule that has been there for more than 70 years which basically says there are three elements to a catch," McKay said. "Secure the ball in your hands; maintain control when have you two feet down or any body part other than the hands (are down); and we will write it into the rules that you must control the ball long enough after 'A' and 'B' (to) enable you to perform any act common to the game. That doesn't mean you have to perform the act, but must have the ability to.

"Would Calvin Johnson's be a catch under 2011 rules? Our answer would be no."

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said the league plans to release the regular-season schedule in mid-April, despite the current work stoppage.

"A specific date is not set," Aiello said. "We plan to do what we normally do."

Reaper16
03-17-2011, 01:46 AM
What in the fuck does "in the act of throwing" mean? Is it referring to the time after the ball has been released? Or is the NFL actually proposing that every game become the Pro Bowl?

Tribal Warfare
03-17-2011, 01:50 AM
What in the fuck does "in the act of throwing" mean? Is it referring to the time after the ball has been released? Or is the NFL actually proposing that every game become the Pro Bowl?

this could case another work stoppage so the NFL heads get their shit straight, and stop making these overly protective rules so the can propose to play an 18 game season. Plus, they want revenue from the fans this is a good way to turn away fans interest in the sport.

Fishpicker
03-17-2011, 01:54 AM
if they institute all of that and enforce it regularly, I will have no interest in watching professional football.

MagicHef
03-17-2011, 02:17 AM
What in the **** does "in the act of throwing" mean? Is it referring to the time after the ball has been released? Or is the NFL actually proposing that every game become the Pro Bowl?

Are these definitions only applicable for hits to the head and neck?

Rausch
03-17-2011, 07:27 AM
I guess they don't want to pay huge medical bills for scab QB's...

Lonewolf Ed
03-17-2011, 07:38 AM
Just to make the rule easier to interpret and enforce, the act of throwing for the QB could be when the center snaps the ball. There will still be some... borderline... calls made, for instance; the ref throws the flag on Tamba Hali while Tom Brady is calling an audible because Tamba's intense glaring at Brady was clear that he intended to make contact with Brady. So, to nip that sort of thing in the bud, 15 yard penalty, first down New England.

BigRichard
03-17-2011, 07:42 AM
Fuck it, lets just make it flag football and get it over with.

Bwana
03-17-2011, 07:42 AM
:shake:

Wow, what a load of crap. Just get it over with and dress all QB's in one of these, with a "do not Touch" sign around their neck.

http://www.dollydagger.co.uk/prodimages/pink-star-prom-dress-300.jpg

Rausch
03-17-2011, 07:44 AM
**** it, lets just make it flag football and get it over with.

Is this the 4th or 5th bullet to the foot the NFL has taken this offseason?...

Lonewolf Ed
03-17-2011, 07:57 AM
Is this the 4th or 5th bullet to the foot the NFL has taken this offseason?...

I think the better question is how many rounds are in the clip?

chiefqueen
03-17-2011, 07:57 AM
Are they going to make the QB go to the sideline immediately after a pic or does he become a tackler who sannot be blocked?

Chiefnj2
03-17-2011, 08:04 AM
An illegal hit on a defenseless player is when the initial force of contact by a players head, shoulder, or forearm is to the head or neck area.

All the rule does is prohibit hits to the neck and head of the players in the 8 categories.

More troubling to me is the proposal to have "the kickoff up to the 35 yard-line, and bringing a touchback out to the 25". Why bother having kickoffs?

morphius
03-17-2011, 08:08 AM
Heck, to protect the QB's we might as well make it illegal for the defensive players to cross the line of scrimmage.

-King-
03-17-2011, 08:37 AM
Might as well have a madden simulation of the games. That way the players never face a chance of injuries.
Posted via Mobile Device

Valiant
03-17-2011, 09:22 AM
Did you add the bold parts? If not I think I am done as a nfl fan.

MagicHef
03-17-2011, 02:04 PM
An illegal hit on a defenseless player is when the initial force of contact by a players head, shoulder, or forearm is to the head or neck area.

All the rule does is prohibit hits to the neck and head of the players in the 8 categories.

More troubling to me is the proposal to have "the kickoff up to the 35 yard-line, and bringing a touchback out to the 25". Why bother having kickoffs?

This. The defensless player definitions don't really change much, a defender wasn't able to hit a QB in the head before these rules, either.

DJ's left nut
03-17-2011, 02:07 PM
An illegal hit on a defenseless player is when the initial force of contact by a players head, shoulder, or forearm is to the head or neck area.

All the rule does is prohibit hits to the neck and head of the players in the 8 categories.

More troubling to me is the proposal to have "the kickoff up to the 35 yard-line, and bringing a touchback out to the 25". Why bother having kickoffs?

Wanna bet we end up with some serious unintended consequences from that kickoff rule?

If you're going to move it out to the 25, nobody's going to want to kick it into the end zone anymore; there's no legitimate field position advantage at that point.

So what you'll get is kickers hanging that sucker way up in the air and giving the coverage time plenty of time to run under it. Now that the wedge has been eliminated, there's going to be more than 1 kick returner get his ass absolutely handed to him.

This strikes me as very very stupid.

Sofa King
03-17-2011, 02:09 PM
I hope for the NFL's sake that you added those bolded parts.

Old Dog
03-17-2011, 02:17 PM
sadly enough, he didn't add the bolded parts

BCD
03-17-2011, 02:17 PM
JFC The NFL's suck meter will be in the red if this shit goes thru.

Hydrae
03-17-2011, 02:20 PM
Wanna bet we end up with some serious unintended consequences from that kickoff rule?

If you're going to move it out to the 25, nobody's going to want to kick it into the end zone anymore; there's no legitimate field position advantage at that point.

So what you'll get is kickers hanging that sucker way up in the air and giving the coverage time plenty of time to run under it. Now that the wedge has been eliminated, there's going to be more than 1 kick returner get his ass absolutely handed to him.

This strikes me as very very stupid.

Nope, they are sacred now too:

-A player fielding a punt or a kickoff

chopper
03-17-2011, 02:27 PM
I see more receivers deliver blind side blocks to defenseless DB's than take them on. These seem to be protecting only the offensive players.
Posted via Mobile Device

Just Passin' By
03-17-2011, 02:28 PM
Before this is over, it'll be 2-hand-touch being played in swimming pools to lessen impacts.

Whatever it takes to sucker the players about safety and into agreeing to 18 games. Then, once they've got the 18 games, they'll find out that some of the rules need 'tweaking' or reversing.

Bump
03-17-2011, 02:29 PM
fire Goodell now! We don't need some pompous, right wing nut job running this

Chiefnj2
03-17-2011, 02:31 PM
All the rule does is penalize hits to the head that are delivered with the helmet, shoulder or forearm.

It's not a big deal. It doesn't say you can't hit them lower. Most of these are penalties anyway. Possible suspension is the only real difference.

Just Passin' By
03-17-2011, 02:33 PM
fire Goodell now! We don't need some pompous, right wing nut job running this

:doh!:

He gave money to Coakley and Shumer.

WebGem
03-17-2011, 02:36 PM
What in the **** does "in the act of throwing" mean? Is it referring to the time after the ball has been released? Or is the NFL actually proposing that every game become the Pro Bowl?

THIS. LOL. WTF?

kstater
03-17-2011, 02:38 PM
All the rule does is penalize hits to the head that are delivered with the helmet, shoulder or forearm.

It's not a big deal. It doesn't say you can't hit them lower. Most of these are penalties anyway. Possible suspension is the only real difference.

Critical thinking need not apply to CP.

chopper
03-17-2011, 02:44 PM
All the rule does is penalize hits to the head that are delivered with the helmet, shoulder or forearm.

It's not a big deal. It doesn't say you can't hit them lower. Most of these are penalties anyway. Possible suspension is the only real difference.

Then why create the 8 categories?
Posted via Mobile Device

Chiefnj2
03-17-2011, 02:49 PM
Then why create the 8 categories?
Posted via Mobile Device

It opens them up to suspensions and fines, in addition to the pre-existing penalties on the field.

RNR
03-17-2011, 02:54 PM
So people will not be able to buy highlight clips of these vicious hits right? I mean the NFL is so shocked by these hits they will edit them out right? They will be sure to remove all of these hits on any rebroadcast or instant replay right?

chopper
03-17-2011, 02:56 PM
It opens them up to suspensions and fines, in addition to the pre-existing penalties on the field.

The hits to the head are what make it illegal and fine/suspension-worthy. Imo, creating categories like this means when a db gets clobbered on his blind side it won't get called because he isn't in a protected category.
Posted via Mobile Device

Chiefnj2
03-17-2011, 02:58 PM
The hits to the head are what make it illegal and fine/suspension-worthy. Imo, creating categories like this means when a db gets clobbered on his blind side it won't get called because he isn't in a protected category.
Posted via Mobile Device

Expand it then. Once the NFLPA decides to become a union again, they can take it up with the Rules Committee.

-King-
03-17-2011, 03:21 PM
So basically they "fix" all the shit that DOESN'T need to be fixed... and the rules that do need to be fixed get no attention.

Demonpenz
03-17-2011, 03:33 PM
So people will not be able to buy highlight clips of these vicious hits right? I mean the NFL is so shocked by these hits they will edit them out right? They will be sure to remove all of these hits on any rebroadcast or instant replay right?

they better not! The most watched dvd in hour house is "Them breaks' Featuring Joe Theisman:

BCD
03-17-2011, 03:58 PM
Welcome to the new NFFL. National Flag Football League.

T-post Tom
03-17-2011, 05:25 PM
<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/PH8SZOqc6Pk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>