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HonestChieffan
03-17-2011, 01:25 PM
When the head of the FBI says they have concerns with CAIR's ties to terrorists....that ain't no small potatoes there fellers.

Holder and the Obama administration's ongoing suckfest with CAIR may come to a screeching halt.

Good on Peter King!






In stunning testimony on Capitol Hill, the head of the FBI explained his agency has cut off ties to the most influential Muslim organization in America due to concerns over its leaders’ association with terrorism.

Since the Justice Department linked the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations to a 2008 terror-finance case, the FBI has refused to work directly with the group’s national office or any of its 30-plus chapters across the country.

Wednesday’s hearing held by the House Judiciary Committee marked the first time FBI Director Robert Mueller has narrowed down the cause of concern to CAIR’s “national leadership.”

“We have no formal relationship with CAIR because of concerns with regard to the national leadership,” Mueller testified.

CAIR’s current executive director is Nihad Awad.

Wiretap evidence from the Holy Land Foundation terror-finance case put Awad at a Philadelphia meeting of Hamas leaders that was secretly recorded by the FBI. Participants hatched a plot to disguise payments to Hamas terrorists as charity. Wiretaps also record them stating the need to deceive Americans about their true aims.

House Judiciary Committee member Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, said he was dismayed FBI headquarters only recently cut off outreach to CAIR, when its case agents had gathered evidence of the tax-exempt group’s terrorist ties years earlier.

“I’m just surprised that it took the evidence that the FBI had being introduced at trial in order to sever the relationship with CAIR,” Gohmert said.

Hog Farmer
03-17-2011, 01:35 PM
Wiretap evidence from the Holy Land Foundation terror-finance case put Awad at a Philadelphia meeting of Hamas leaders that was secretly recorded by the FBI. Participants hatched a plot to disguise payments to Hamas terrorists as charity. Wiretaps also record them stating the need to deceive Americans about their true aims


This Muslim bullshit needs to have an end put to it. Our laws need to be changed immediately to keep them from taking advantage on our constitution and way of life. In fact I think I'n gonna go out right now and do a little profiling!

The Mad Crapper
03-17-2011, 01:40 PM
Not for nothing, but Bush had a suckfest with CAIR, too.

I know CAIR are scumbags, but the water runs deeper than Hussein Soetero's relationship with terrorists (convicted or otherwise).

patteeu
03-17-2011, 02:50 PM
Not for nothing, but Bush had a suckfest with CAIR, too.

I know CAIR are scumbags, but the water runs deeper than Hussein Soetero's relationship with terrorists (convicted or otherwise).

Yes there's a prevalent bipartisan streak of political correctness getting in the way of unambiguously identifying our enemies (the widespread strain of radical Islamist ideology and those who embrace/sympathize with it rather than a small group of terrorists who planned the 9/11 attacks). Bush was guilty of this too. We even see it here on ChiefsPlanet at times.

Donger
03-17-2011, 02:54 PM
So, am I reading this correctly? A top executive with CAIR (Awad) secretly met with Hamas on our soil with the intent to funneling them money that was meant to go to non-terrorists?

Donger
03-17-2011, 02:55 PM
Heh. Perhaps this should be in the Epic Fail thread?

http://nihadawad.blogspot.com/


Since Representative Peter King announced tomorrow's planned hearing on American Muslims, more than 250 organizations have written to him expressing concerns about his statements and allegations.

Hundreds of leaders from across the nation, including more than 80 interfaith representatives from King's home of Long Island, New York, have expressed similar concerns.

Representative King's two main allegations -- that American Muslims do not cooperate with law enforcement and that 80 to 85 percent of their leadership are "extremists" -- are demonstrably false.

Top law enforcement officials such as FBI Director Robert Mueller and Sheriff Lee Baca, commander of the nation's largest sheriff's department and a board member of the National Sheriff's Association, say Muslims support and cooperate with law enforcement.

Just this week, a former FBI counterterrorism director rejected the allegation of Muslim non-cooperation.

Michael Rolince, who headed the Counterterrorism Division in the FBI's Washington field office between 2002 and 2005, said: "I will tell you in no uncertain terms that the community has on multiple occasions come forward and assisted law enforcement.”

Academic research also refutes Congressman King's claims.

Earlier this year, Duke University found that tips from the American Muslim community provided information “that led to a terrorist plot being thwarted in 48 of 120 cases involving Muslim Americans.” Duke University also found that, “[M]any mosque leaders had put significant effort into countering violent extremism.”

There is no denying that people of evil intent covet the opportunity to recruit Americans, including those of the Islamic faith, and to pull them away from the straight path of Islam to the deviated path of violent extremism.

CAIR and the mainstream Muslim community are natural enemies of those who promote violent extremism.

There is also no denying that – except for a tiny minority -- violent extremists have not found fertile ground in America. Many individuals and institutions, including law enforcement, homeland security personnel, and the leaders and members of the American Muslim community, deserve a share of the credit for this.

CAIR has always maintained that it is both a civic and religious duty to immediately report criminal activity to local, state and federal law enforcement agencies. Equally, like any civil liberties organization, we advise our community to know their constitutional rights.

Our community has reasonable concerns with some law enforcement activities and policies.

These concerns include overly-broad surveillance of Muslims and their institutions based solely on religion, concerns about FBI and other agencies pursuing lines of questioning related to First Amendment protected activities, concern about the use of Muslim-bashers as law enforcement trainers, and concerns about American Muslims abroad facing denial of due process and pressure to become informants.

Tomorrow, Congressman King will have the spotlight. We sincerely hope that he and his witnesses abandon false allegations, personal agendas and irresponsible rhetoric in favor of a sober and objective hearing.

Sadly, a disturbing number of religious, ethnic and racial minorities – including African-Americans, Asian-Americans, Jewish Americans, Catholics, Mormons, and many others -- have been singled out for discrimination at various times in our history. American Muslims would be doing a disservice to the sacrifices of minorities before us if we do not stand up for ourselves now.

We ask our fellow Americans not to succumb to Rep. King’s fear-mongering. We ask our fellow Americans to reject his false and unsubstantiated allegations. And we thank the many political and religious leaders who have spoken against King’s divisive hearing.

America was not built for any one religion, race or ethnicity. It was built on a set of principles. One of those principles is respect for pluralism. We hope Congressman King will remember that and work to unite, not divide our nation.

patteeu
03-17-2011, 02:58 PM
So, am I reading this correctly? A top executive with CAIR (Awad) secretly met with Hamas on our soil with the intent to funneling them money that was meant to go to non-terrorists?

I'd change the verb "met" to "conspired", but yeah, that's right. Representatives of CAIR were unindicted co-conspirators in the Holy Land Foundation case in which the indicted conspirators were found guilty of funneling fraudulently obtained charitable donations to Hamas.

Donger
03-17-2011, 03:05 PM
I'd change the verb "met" to "conspired", but yeah, that's right. Representatives of CAIR were unindicted co-conspirators in the Holy Land Foundation case in which the indicted conspirators were found guilty of funneling fraudulently obtained charitable donations to Hamas.

Then I don't understand this:

CAIR has condemned specific terrorist groups by name. On 3/11/2009, the 5th anniversary of the tragic Madrid attacks, CAIR issued a statement saying, “We unequivocally condemn all acts of terrorism, whether carried out by al-Qa’ida, the Real IRA, FARC, Hamas, ETA, or any other group designated by the U.S. Department of State as a ‘Foreign Terrorist Organization.’

http://www.cair.com/Portals/0/pdf/Dispelling_Rumors_about_CAIR.pdf

HonestChieffan
03-17-2011, 03:08 PM
Then I don't understand this:

CAIR has condemned specific terrorist groups by name. On 3/11/2009, the 5th anniversary of the tragic Madrid attacks, CAIR issued a statement saying, “We unequivocally condemn all acts of terrorism, whether carried out by al-Qa’ida, the Real IRA, FARC, Hamas, ETA, or any other group designated by the U.S. Department of State as a ‘Foreign Terrorist Organization.’

http://www.cair.com/Portals/0/pdf/Dispelling_Rumors_about_CAIR.pdf

Me thinks someone told a lie.

Donger
03-17-2011, 03:08 PM
Oh, and how exactly did the representatives of Hamas get into our country and why weren't they arrested?

patteeu
03-17-2011, 03:13 PM
Then I don't understand this:

CAIR has condemned specific terrorist groups by name. On 3/11/2009, the 5th anniversary of the tragic Madrid attacks, CAIR issued a statement saying, “We unequivocally condemn all acts of terrorism, whether carried out by al-Qa’ida, the Real IRA, FARC, Hamas, ETA, or any other group designated by the U.S. Department of State as a ‘Foreign Terrorist Organization.’

http://www.cair.com/Portals/0/pdf/Dispelling_Rumors_about_CAIR.pdf

What's to understand? They say they oppose terrorism in their public statements while meeting with terrorism financiers in secret. :shrug:

patteeu
03-17-2011, 03:30 PM
Oh, and how exactly did the representatives of Hamas get into our country and why weren't they arrested?

I'm not sure what you mean here. According to this wikipedia entry on The Holy Land Foundatio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Land_Foundation_for_Relief_and_Development)n, one high ranking member of Hamas who helped create the Holy Land Foundation was deported to Jordan in 1997. I'm not sure there were any high ranking Hamas representatives on US soil for the events leading to the Holy Land Foundation indictments.

You can read about CAIR's involvement in this article from National Review:

Coming Clean About CAIR (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/221895/coming-clean-about-cair/scott-w-johnson)
CAIR finds itself among the unindicted co-conspirators of the Holy Land Foundation.

One of the most significant terrorism prosecutions brought by the government since 9/11 commenced trial last month in federal district court in Dallas. The government’s 42-count indictment charges seven individuals and the Holy Land Foundation — the biggest Islamic charity in the United States — with offenses including conspiracy to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization, namely, Hamas. Two of the seven individual defendants have not been arrested and are fugitives.

The charges are dramatic. According to the indictment, U.S. based members of the Muslim Brotherhood established a Palestine Committee that was ultimately charged with the task of raising funds supporting Hamas’s efforts to eliminate the state of Israel. After the signing of the Oslo Accords in 1993, the Palestine Committee swung into high gear. At a secret three-day meeting in Philadelphia in October, 1993 (monitored by the FBI), those in attendance discussed how best to continue to support Hamas without being viewed as terrorists.
The Holy Land Foundation appears to have been the answer. Between 1995 and 2001, the foundation delivered millions of dollars to support Hamas in the West Bank and Gaza. The government charges that the foundation was a vital member of an international network of organizations that finances Hamas activities. Furthermore, the government charges that the Foundation and the individual defendants provided financial support to the families of Hamas terrorists, detainees, and activists knowing that the assistance would support Hamas ultimately contending that the story of the Holy Land Foundation is part of “the story of Hamas in the United States.”

In June, the government filed its brief outlining the types of evidence it intends to introduce during trial. One such type of evidence is the out-of-court statements of co-conspirators that it will seek to introduce under a traditional exception to the rule against hearsay. The government has identified more than 300 unindicted co-conspirators whose out-of-court statements it may seek to introduce at trial. As the government explains, “the defendants were operating in concert with a host of individuals and organizations dedicated to sustaining and furthering the Hamas movement.” Under the Federal Rules of Evidence, the out-of-court statements of a defendant’s co-conspirators are admissible against the defendant.

Although few outside the Islamic community are aware of the Holy Land Foundation, everyone, so to speak, knows of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). CAIR holds itself out as a civil rights group and has insinuated itself into programs sponsored by government agencies as a bona fide spokesman for America’s Islamic community. Knowledgeable observers have nevertheless long had their doubts about CAIR. Daniel Pipes and Sharon Chadha, for example, are the authors of a groundbreaking essay calling CAIR “Islamists fooling the establishment.”

CAIR is, in fact, among the more than 300 unindicted co-conspirators of the Holy Land Foundation named by the government in the Holy Land Foundation prosecution. The trial has already produced evidentiary bombshells detonating along a path leading to CAIR. It has introduced evidence placing CAIR executive director Nihad Awad at the 1993 Philadelphia meeting of the Muslim Brotherhood’s Palestine Committee. FBI agent Lara Burns has testified that CAIR was listed as a member of the Palestine Committee. The evidence introduced at trial is conspicuously missing from the New York Times; the Times isn’t covering the trial. I found reports of the evidence introduced at trial posted on the invaluable Counterterrorism Blog by Steve Emerson’s Investigative Project on Terrorism.

Although the Times has not stirred itself to cover the trial, it did cover last week’s filing of a motion by CAIR to strike the government’s pretrial list of unindicted co-conspirators. Neil MacFarquhar’s story dutifully recited CAIR’s charge that the government’s naming of unindicted co-conspirators constituted “the demonization of all things Muslim.” Such stuff is the grist for CAIR’s daily mill. If MacFarquhar read CAIR’s brief, he missed its newsworthy elements; CAIR is in full panic mode.

CAIR’s brief verges on hysteria in asserting that the government has harmed it by identifying it as an unindicted co-conspirator. It repeatedly asserts that the government’s identification of CAIR has reduced its membership and donations. CAIR asserts without reference to any facts that, since it was named an unindicted co-conspirator (this past June) its donations have “dwindled well below monthly budget.” CAIR states over and over again:

[i][T]he mere publication of CAIR being named as an unindicted co-conspirator impresses upon the typical member of the American public that CAIR is involved in criminal activity. This is pure guilt by association. [The] negative reaction by the American public can be seen in the decline of membership rates and donations resulting from the government’s publicizing of CAIR as an unindicted coconspirator.

In footnotes supporting this statement CAIR cites Audrey Hudson’s June 11, 2007 Washington Times story on CAIR’s membership decline. At the time of the publication of Hudson’s story this past June, however, CAIR vociferously disputed its accuracy. In a June 12 press release, CAIR assserted:

CAIR today accused a right-wing Washington, D.C., newspaper of “agenda-driven reporting” for falsely suggesting there has been a drop in its grassroots support. According to CAIR, an article in today’s Washington Times newspaper misrepresented figures on its tax filings to falsely indicate a drop in membership.

On the one hand, CAIR’s brief in the Holy Land Foundation trial confirms Hudson’s story. Indeed, it cites Hudson’s story to support its argument. CAIR’s brief also shows CAIR’s contemporaneous statement disputing the accuracy of Hudson’s story to be false. On the other hand, however, CAIR’s brief misleads when it suggests that Hudson’s story supports its argument in the Holy Land Foundation case. The government named CAIR as an unindicted co-conspirator of the Holy Land Foundation this year during the first week of June. Hudson’s Washington Times story was based on data covering the period 2000-2006, before CAIR was named as an unindicted co-conspirator. CAIR’s citation of Hudson’s story in support of the argument made in its brief piles one convenient falsehood on top of another.

The legal argument supporting CAIR’s motion seems thin as well. CAIR objects to the government’s pretrial identification of it as an unindicted co-conspirator, but acknowledges that the government can identify it as such during trial in order to lay the foundation for the admission of co-conspirator hearsay. Trial is now underway and CAIR’s motion will likely be overtaken by events. By the last paragraph of its brief, CAIR seems to be suggesting that it is unconstitutional for the government ever to name an unindicted co-conspirator.

One cannot dispute that CAIR has reason to worry. It has long been known that it first opened for business in 1994 with the assistance of a $5,000 donation from the Holy Land Foundation. Evidence introduced at trial continues to shed new light on CAIR’s origins. CAIR is understandably concerned that its association with the Holy Land Foundation might give people an idea about the organization. As CAIR explains in its brief:

[T]he public “outing” of CAIR as an unindicted co-conspirator fundamentally undercuts their [sic] central mission to protect Muslim-Americans’ civil rights and foster an atmosphere of acceptance of Muslims in American society. Any message that CAIR tries to deliver to the American public, will be undercut by the insinuation that they are a criminal terrorist organization. The American public and the media which CAIR uses to deliver its message will no longer believe in the veracity of such message because CAIR will be perceived as a terrorist front organization.

One can only hope.

Donger
03-17-2011, 03:32 PM
What's to understand? They say they oppose terrorism in their public statements while meeting with terrorism financiers in secret. :shrug:

I was being facetious.

patteeu
03-17-2011, 03:38 PM
I was being facetious.

Doh. I should have known better.

Donger
03-17-2011, 03:44 PM
I can't tell if this Nihad Awad is an American citizen or not. Anyone know?

HonestChieffan
03-17-2011, 03:51 PM
Eight Out of Ten Illegal Aliens Apprehended in 2010 Never Prosecuted, Says Border Congressman.....


could help explain how "people get in"...

"Of 447,731 illegal aliens apprehended by the U.S. Border Patrol during fiscal year 2010 (which ended last September), only 73,263 (16.4 percent) were prosecuted, according to the submitted data. That means that 374,468 illegal aliens that were taken into custody (83.6 percent) were never prosecuted."

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/eight-out-ten-illegal-aliens-apprehended

Brock
03-17-2011, 04:36 PM
It would be very easy for anybody who wanted to smuggle in whatever or whoever they wanted. Happens every day, 24/7.

chiefqueen
03-17-2011, 06:03 PM
Oh, and how exactly did the representatives of Hamas get into our country and why weren't they arrested?

Have you heard of a little thing called the US-Mexican border?

Hog Farmer
03-17-2011, 07:51 PM
Me thinks someone told a lie.

This ! It's part of their job to lie to eventually convert the whole world to Islam.

Chief Henry
03-18-2011, 09:00 AM
Eight Out of Ten Illegal Aliens Apprehended in 2010 Never Prosecuted, Says Border Congressman.....


could help explain how "people get in"...

"Of 447,731 illegal aliens apprehended by the U.S. Border Patrol during fiscal year 2010 (which ended last September), only 73,263 (16.4 percent) were prosecuted, according to the submitted data. That means that 374,468 illegal aliens that were taken into custody (83.6 percent) were never prosecuted."

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/eight-out-ten-illegal-aliens-apprehended



:spock: how the hell does this happen ?