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HonestChieffan
03-21-2011, 09:49 PM
Ominous drumbeats from Leftist media. This grows more interesting...

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Why the U.S. Went to War: Inside the White House Debate on Libya

http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2011/03/20/why-the-u-s-went-to-war-inside-the-white-house-debate-on-libya/?xid=rss-topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+time%2Ftopstories+%28TIME%3A+Top+Stories%29


President Barack Obama says he’s intervening to prevent atrocities in Libya. But details of behind-the-scenes debates at the White House show he’s going to war in part to rehabilitate an idea…the president and some of his advisers are so eager to rehabilitate the idea of preventive intervention that they’re exaggerating the violence they say they are intervening to prevent in Libya. “The effort to shoe-horn this into an imminent genocide model is strained,” says one senior administration official. That’s dangerous. Americans deserve an honest explanation when their leaders take them to war.

Obama and his aides know they are taking a big risk. “It’s a huge gamble,” says the senior administration official. The administration knows, for example, that al Qaeda, which has active cells in Libya, will try to exploit the power vacuum that will come with a weak or ousted Gaddafi.

“On the military side there was a lot of skepticism in the initial days that a no-fly zone by itself was going to achieve what we wanted militarily,” says a senior administration official. Another senior administration official is blunter: “[Secretary of Defense Robert] Gates tried to stop it.”

Whole story at link...

patteeu
03-22-2011, 06:35 AM
Why do democrat presidents always seem to end up on the same side as al Qaeda in these wars? (See Bosnia, Kosovo and now Libya).

Sannyasi
03-22-2011, 06:45 AM
Time Magazine is leftist? :hmmm:

patteeu
03-22-2011, 06:51 AM
Time Magazine is leftist? :hmmm:

Yes. Not fringe leftist like The Nation, but leftist nonetheless.

Sannyasi
03-22-2011, 07:05 AM
Yes. Not fringe leftist like The Nation, but leftist nonetheless.

Interesting. You'd have a hard time proving that by me. Liberal, maybe, but its always seemed very orthodox, pro-business, pro-status quo. That is, when its not being a pure entertainment/gossip magazine.

BucEyedPea
03-22-2011, 08:04 AM
Interesting. You'd have a hard time proving that by me. Liberal, maybe, but its always seemed very orthodox, pro-business, pro-status quo. That is, when its not being a pure entertainment/gossip magazine.

Liberal is leftist—these days.

patteeu
03-22-2011, 08:46 AM
Interesting. You'd have a hard time proving that by me. Liberal, maybe, but its always seemed very orthodox, pro-business, pro-status quo. That is, when its not being a pure entertainment/gossip magazine.

What distinction do you see between leftist and liberal?

Jaric
03-22-2011, 09:10 AM
What happened to "Hope and Change?"

Sannyasi
03-22-2011, 03:31 PM
What distinction do you see between leftist and liberal?

Liberals are generally pro-free market, while leftists aren't. Sort of the difference between Bill Clinton (liberal) and, say, Naomi Klein (leftist).

Perhaps this is one of those archaic terminology differences that doesn't really mean anything anymore. Or maybe I'm just wrong :evil: Either way, I feel like I'm derailing the thread a bit.

patteeu
03-22-2011, 04:06 PM
Liberals are generally pro-free market, while leftists aren't. Sort of the difference between Bill Clinton (liberal) and, say, Naomi Klein (leftist).

Perhaps this is one of those archaic terminology differences that doesn't really mean anything anymore. Or maybe I'm just wrong :evil: Either way, I feel like I'm derailing the thread a bit.

OK, thanks. I assume they just mean liberal in that case.

Where do you think Obama falls on that scale. Not the Obama who's got an eye on the next election, but the Obama who's just won a second term.

HonestChieffan
03-22-2011, 04:30 PM
Amazing the silence from the Obamanauts.

Calcountry
03-22-2011, 05:02 PM
What happened to "Hope and Change?"Hey Arnold, the movie: "I have seen the future, Change is good. "

HonestChieffan
03-22-2011, 05:04 PM
Obama Lied, people.....

oh no that was Bush...

vailpass
03-22-2011, 05:07 PM
Amazing the silence from the Obamanauts.

Patience. They will be here as soon as the recieve their HuffPo talking points.

orange
03-22-2011, 05:11 PM
Amazing the silence from the Obamanauts.

One anonymous "administration official" makes a vague claim unsupported by any facts, the whole article is 98.2% upbeat and supportive of the whole operation, and you're amazed that nobody is bothering to ridicule your bizarre headline?

You're becoming sportsshrink. This is a "game-changer," no doubt! :thumb:

HonestChieffan
03-22-2011, 05:16 PM
Indeed 98% puffery and the ugly little piece of info is buried in the copy.

You are indeed either a fool, a court jester, or are so incredibly incapable of seeing the failure that is Obama that you are more a parody than anything else.

What would Obama need to do that would be bad enough to turn you anyway? He lied to you every turn since he began to run and has failed to deliver on nearly every promise he made. Yet, like a ragged band of fools you stand by him as he continues to follow the path that got him here.

orange
03-22-2011, 05:26 PM
Wowminous.

go bowe
03-22-2011, 05:29 PM
Indeed 98% puffery and the ugly little piece of info is buried in the copy.

You are indeed either a fool, a court jester, or are so incredibly incapable of seeing the failure that is Obama that you are more a parody than anything else.

What would Obama need to do that would be bad enough to turn you anyway? He lied to you every turn since he began to run and has failed to deliver on nearly every promise he made. Yet, like a ragged band of fools you stand by him as he continues to follow the path that got him here.ah, but he's not ms. palin...

HonestChieffan
03-22-2011, 05:36 PM
Obama said Monday it is still U.S. policy that Qaddafi needs to go. Attorney General Eric Holder reiterated that point Tuesday, saying Qaddafi has "lost all legitimacy with his people."

Not sure but its almost true for Obama at this point.

patteeu
03-22-2011, 05:41 PM
Gates warned against this. Hillary, Rice, and Power argued for it.

With the exception of Frank Marshall Davis and maybe his grandpa, I think Obama has been pushed around by women all his life. Fatherless, he was raised by his grandma and his sometimes-mom. Then he married a domineering woman. Now he's letting the three shrews of US foreign policy push him around.

Gates should have probably resigned if he really believes what he said a couple weeks ago.

orange
03-22-2011, 05:43 PM
Not sure but its almost true for Obama at this point.

You're going to need this in 18 months: http://www.arizonasuicidepreventionalert.org/ASPAHotline.html

Keep this post handy.

HonestChieffan
03-22-2011, 05:46 PM
Son, if I can make it through 4 years of Carter and the first 4 of Obama, Im good for 4 more. Suicide is not in my plans.

The Mad Crapper
03-22-2011, 05:55 PM
Gates warned against this. Hillary, Rice, and Power argued for it.

With the exception of Frank Marshall Davis and maybe his grandpa, I think Obama has been pushed around by women all his life. Fatherless, he was raised by his grandma and his sometimes-mom. Then he married a domineering woman. Now he's letting the three shrews of US foreign policy push him around.

Gates should have probably resigned if he really believes what he said a couple weeks ago.

Hillary is Obama's Yoko Ono. LMAO

Sannyasi
03-22-2011, 06:10 PM
OK, thanks. I assume they just mean liberal in that case.

Where do you think Obama falls on that scale. Not the Obama who's got an eye on the next election, but the Obama who's just won a second term.

Well, I don't know what Obama's personal beliefs are; I know he's made statements about re-negotiating NAFTA to include certain labor and environmental standards as well. Wherever he falls on the scale, I don't see him governing as any kind of radical. Even if he was one personally, he has still surrounded himself with mainstream Democrats who wouldn't let him do anything that would jeopardize the future electability of Democratic candidates.

I think Obama is more likely to try to follow the Clinton model, actually. If you can remember back that far, you had prominent people like Milton Friedman and Boris Yeltsin accusing Clinton of being a socialist after his first 2 years, which seems ridiculous in hindsight. That's because the Democrats moved to the right after losing the Congress in '94. Maybe this is why I don't understand all the hysteria about Obama; the Democratic party has been more about power than ideology for a long time now.

orange
03-22-2011, 06:25 PM
Maybe this is why I don't understand all the hysteria about Obama; the Democratic party has been more about power than ideology for a long time now.

Funes, who despite being elected with support from former Marxist guerillas has charted a moderate course in El Salvador, agrees with Obama that all countries in the region need to contribute to a solution.

Some Central American leaders have expressed annoyance that Obama chose to meet with Funes instead of a broader group of Central American leaders. But Latin America policy experts said it was important for Obama to endorse Funes' pragmatic approach despite the leftist inclinations of his party.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/22/obama-trip-cut-short_n_839255.html

vailpass
03-22-2011, 06:40 PM
LMAO

Patience. They will be here as soon as the recieve their HuffPo talking points.


Funes, who despite being elected with support from former Marxist guerillas has charted a moderate course in El Salvador, agrees with Obama that all countries in the region need to contribute to a solution.

Some Central American leaders have expressed annoyance that Obama chose to meet with Funes instead of a broader group of Central American leaders. But Latin America policy experts said it was important for Obama to endorse Funes' pragmatic approach despite the leftist inclinations of his party.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/22/obama-trip-cut-short_n_839255.html

orange
03-22-2011, 06:47 PM
LMAO

And?

Please point out the "HuffPo talking point" about Libya in that post.

kcfanXIII
03-22-2011, 06:56 PM
What distinction do you see between leftist and liberal?

the same distinction between an imminent and immediate threat...
:LOL:

FTR, i agree with you here.

patteeu
03-22-2011, 07:00 PM
the same distinction between an imminent and immediate threat...
:LOL:

FTR, i agree with you here.

Well, "imminent" is a well understood term of art in international law circles. I don't think the same can be said for either liberal or leftist, but at least we agree on this. :)

blaise
03-22-2011, 07:02 PM
orange mainlines huffpost articles. It's like a drug for him.

HonestChieffan
03-22-2011, 07:19 PM
orange mainlines huffpost articles. It's like a drug for him.

DemocratUnderground as well. A Pool of the most rabid.

Jaric
03-22-2011, 07:34 PM
So wasn't this precisely what pissed off people so much about the War in Iraq?

patteeu
03-22-2011, 07:39 PM
So wasn't this precisely what pissed off people so much about the War in Iraq?

What?

HonestChieffan
03-22-2011, 07:46 PM
What?


The "Bush Lied" refrain.

Jaric
03-22-2011, 07:47 PM
What?

The "Bush Lied" refrain.

THIS

BucEyedPea
03-22-2011, 07:52 PM
The "Bush Lied" refrain.

For that matter so did Papa Bush, Clinton, LBJ, Nixon and many more. They're politicians.