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Mr. Laz
03-26-2011, 10:29 AM
George Martin describes his meeting with NFLPA* as “defiant, accusatory, and outright disrespectful”
Posted by Mike Florio on March 26, 2011, 11:29 AM EDT

http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/georgemartinjan42010ap.jpg?w=156
AP NFL Alumni president George
Martin put a happy public face (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/26/george-martin-meets-with-the-nflpa-to-discuss-retired-players/)
on his recent meeting with
the NFLPA*.

Privately, he’s singing a much different tune.

In a memo to the group’s Board of Directors and its 32 chapter heads, a copy of which PFT has obtained, Martin said the “atmosphere was very defiant, accusatory, and outright disrespectful.”
Uh-oh.

Also, Martin said he still has not received a private meeting the head of the decertified players’ union.

“Regrettably, the long awaited and greatly anticipated one on one meeting with Mr. DeMaurice Smith never materialized as I had hoped,” Martin wrote. “Although he was present during my two hour interrogation, no accommodation of my request for the private meeting was ever addressed.”

Martin had a much better experience with the NFL, according to the memo.

“On Tuesday morning, I had the pleasure of addressing NFL owners, executive staff, and head coaches as the NFL Annual Meetings,” Martin said. “The genuine support and enthusiasm for our organization exhibited by these distinguished individuals was both exciting and overwhelming.”
The players apparently suspect that Martin and his group are shills for the NFL. If they weren’t before this past week, they may be inclined to be now.

Really, if the players are going to treat Martin and the group he runs as the enemy, why shouldn’t Martin and NFL Alumni respond in kind? At some point, it’s the only logical move.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/26/george-martin-describes-his-meeting-with-nflpa-as-defiant-accusatoy-and-outright-disrespectful/

Douche Baggins
03-26-2011, 10:30 AM
Players are thugs. Fuck 'em.

JASONSAUTO
03-26-2011, 10:31 AM
Lol.
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DaFace
03-26-2011, 10:32 AM
It's hard to sort through all of the political BS in all of this, but if this is true, that's pretty shitty of the players.

Mr. Laz
03-26-2011, 10:55 AM
It's hard to sort through all of the political BS in all of this, but if this is true, that's pretty shitty of the players.
yea, i dunno

why would the NFLPA be pissed at the Alumni guy?

why would the Alumni guy lie about it?

Rausch
03-26-2011, 10:58 AM
Waiting for both you fuck's to work for nothing this year...

Over-Head
03-26-2011, 11:00 AM
Get ready for it...

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1987/10/26/69719/

THE LIFE OF A $725,000 SCAB .................

pr_capone
03-26-2011, 11:18 AM
Get ready for it...

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1987/10/26/69719/

THE LIFE OF A $725,000 SCAB .................

I realize the article was from 1987 and all but god damn... how about some page formatting CNN?

Brock
03-26-2011, 11:18 AM
I've honestly never heard of NFL Alumni. What do they do?

KCrockaholic
03-26-2011, 11:27 AM
Both sides are pieces of shit. Smith is a punk ass piece of fuckin shit, and Roger Goodell is a controlling, deceiving, arrogant asshole. Jeff Pash can be put in that same category. They can all fuck off. I just want NFL football, and I don't care how it gets done in the mean time cause they're all losers.

Bane
03-26-2011, 11:45 AM
Fuck them all.Goodell and Smith should be fired and banned from the NFL for life.

KCBOSS1
03-26-2011, 01:22 PM
I honestly think that the current active players are whiney, spoiled, entitlement minded, unappreciative of their employers and the pioneers of the game that played for pride and love of the game. They are disrespectful of fans, arrogant, egomaniacs. I think they should all be fired and the entire player pay scale re-set. NFL owners on the other hand are enterpreneurs and have taken the risks. I don't care if they make billions, they have taken the risk and the discipline to build these businesses and have been smart enough to make the NFL absolutely prosperous for everyone involved. I realize that the players carry the sports talent, but they are performers on a stage that are contractors for hire who are overpaid for their contribution to society. There is nothing vital that they provide for anybody's life, yet they are paid hundreds of times more than people who truly benefit and contribute vitally to peoples' lives. They live in a bogus reality and as times change, this will correct itself one way or the other. Their services are expendable as they may well find out shortly. in my observation, the peak of the popularity of the NFL just ended thanks to the greed of these overly self-appraised ball players. This market will correct itself. Unions are from hell.

pr_capone
03-26-2011, 01:38 PM
I honestly think that the current active players are whiney, spoiled, entitlement minded, unappreciative of their employers and the pioneers of the game that played for pride and love of the game. They are disrespectful of fans, arrogant, egomaniacs. I think they should all be fired and the entire player pay scale re-set. NFL owners on the other hand are enterpreneurs and have taken the risks. I don't care if they make billions, they have taken the risk and the discipline to build these businesses and have been smart enough to make the NFL absolutely prosperous for everyone involved. I realize that the players carry the sports talent, but they are performers on a stage that are contractors for hire who are overpaid for their contribution to society. There is nothing vital that they provide for anybody's life, yet they are paid hundreds of times more than people who truly benefit and contribute vitally to peoples' lives. They live in a bogus reality and as times change, this will correct itself one way or the other. Their services are expendable as they may well find out shortly. in my observation, the peak of the popularity of the NFL just ended thanks to the greed of these overly self-appraised ball players. This market will correct itself. Unions are from hell.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_7G6ciJUMuAk/SwajzCaxN5I/AAAAAAAAAjM/E_sAhqSMd24/s1600/enter_key.jpg

Over-Head
03-26-2011, 02:05 PM
I honestly think that the current active players are whiney, spoiled, .......

THIS times eleventy.

And very well said Sir!!

milkman
03-27-2011, 08:32 AM
I honestly think that the current active players are whiney, spoiled, entitlement minded, unappreciative of their employers and the pioneers of the game that played for pride and love of the game. They are disrespectful of fans, arrogant, egomaniacs. I think they should all be fired and the entire player pay scale re-set. NFL owners on the other hand are enterpreneurs and have taken the risks. I don't care if they make billions, they have taken the risk and the discipline to build these businesses and have been smart enough to make the NFL absolutely prosperous for everyone involved. I realize that the players carry the sports talent, but they are performers on a stage that are contractors for hire who are overpaid for their contribution to society. There is nothing vital that they provide for anybody's life, yet they are paid hundreds of times more than people who truly benefit and contribute vitally to peoples' lives. They live in a bogus reality and as times change, this will correct itself one way or the other. Their services are expendable as they may well find out shortly. in my observation, the peak of the popularity of the NFL just ended thanks to the greed of these overly self-appraised ball players. This market will correct itself. Unions are from hell.

Are you complaining about actors and musicians getting overpaid?

petegz28
03-27-2011, 08:43 AM
Are you complaining about actors and musicians getting overpaid?

If actors and musicioans want to go on a strike, who gives a fuck? Maybe we could start being able to afford to go to the movies again?

Chiefaholic
03-27-2011, 09:16 AM
I honestly think that the current active players are whiney, spoiled, entitlement minded, unappreciative of their employers and the pioneers of the game that played for pride and love of the game. They are disrespectful of fans, arrogant, egomaniacs. I think they should all be fired and the entire player pay scale re-set. NFL owners on the other hand are enterpreneurs and have taken the risks. I don't care if they make billions, they have taken the risk and the discipline to build these businesses and have been smart enough to make the NFL absolutely prosperous for everyone involved. I realize that the players carry the sports talent, but they are performers on a stage that are contractors for hire who are overpaid for their contribution to society. There is nothing vital that they provide for anybody's life, yet they are paid hundreds of times more than people who truly benefit and contribute vitally to peoples' lives. They live in a bogus reality and as times change, this will correct itself one way or the other. Their services are expendable as they may well find out shortly. in my observation, the peak of the popularity of the NFL just ended thanks to the greed of these overly self-appraised ball players. This market will correct itself. Unions are from hell.

:thumb:

milkman
03-27-2011, 09:27 AM
If actors and musicioans want to go on a strike, who gives a ****? Maybe we could start being able to afford to go to the movies again?

I just think it's funny that people bitch incessantly about what athletes make.

We all know that they are overpaid relative to their contributions to society,

But they don't make nearly the money that top performers in other fields make.

I guarantee you, someone like KCBoss1 will tune out the NFL if owners "fires" these players to "reset the pay scale".

Mr. Laz
03-28-2011, 12:40 PM
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Martin, in an interview, called the whole experience "very unpleasant" and said he felt like a defendant at a war crimes trial.
"What was supposed to be a 15-minute presentation turned into a two-hour cross-examination," Martin said. "And at the end of the day I still did not get the opportunity to speak (one-on-one) with the illustrious Mr. DeMaurice Smith, which speaks volumes about his credibility."

"I came there for like a Nuremberg Trials scenario with 40 guys there, and all had questions to some degree," Martin said. "Some of it was very accusatory. It was very uncomfortable, particularly when my intentions are nothing but to represent retired players."
"This is first time in my life I ever witnessed two organizations that are separated because of irreconcilable similarities," Martin said. "That to me does not make any sense. They have a right to be skeptical (of an NFL-run organization) in some regard. But I don't think I've ever demonstrated any reason to be skeptical of my actions."

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