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HonestChieffan
03-30-2011, 12:59 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/clinton-un-resolution-gives-us-authority-to-arm-libyan-rebels-2256768.html


Seems like we are suffering from mission creep rapidly...

mlyonsd
03-30-2011, 01:07 PM
Yes. If we don't want a failure on our hands.

aka Iraq 1991.

Direckshun
03-30-2011, 01:19 PM
I would say no.

The question becomes how far are we willing to go to provide a massacre?

Go unilaterally? Engage in a war? Topple a regime and occupy another country?

I say no. Rule the skies, let the ground game play out.

If we weren't embroiled in two other wars, or if NATO or the UN signed on unanimously again, my opinion might be different. Might.

KC Dan
03-30-2011, 01:43 PM
No, they can buy some if they wish. We need the money

Radar Chief
03-30-2011, 01:54 PM
Why, are they out of prosthetics?

BucEyedPea
03-30-2011, 02:39 PM
Absolutely NOT!

CoMoChief
03-30-2011, 02:53 PM
We already are....and have been for a while

Hydrae
03-30-2011, 02:56 PM
Not just no but HELL NO!

trndobrd
03-30-2011, 02:58 PM
Too late now

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/30/us-libya-usa-order-idUSTRE72T6H220110330

HonestChieffan
03-30-2011, 03:22 PM
This is very strange. Obama supporter or anti Obama this goes to the far end of the wierdshit scale....

1) We start bombing the wehoodus out of the place and say its not war.
2)We say we are not in charge, the we are, then its the UN, no its NATO. WTF Ok, whatever.
3) No ground troops. Ever.
4) This is to top a massacre. We blow the hell out of tanks and stuff.
5) We have no idea who the good guys are or if they are good guys.
6) We find out the good guys include the bad guys we are fighting in Afghanistan.
7) A bad guy in Afghanistan is like a transformer if he is in Libya so we can give him guns and ammo.
8) We are not into regime change. But we will bomb hell out of stuff, use rockets and planes, and give guns and ammo o the rebels so they can create regime change.
9) Its not a war.

I feel torn.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/clinton-un-resolution-gives-us-authority-to-arm-libyan-rebels-2256768.html

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/mar/29/1000-freelance-jihadists-join-libyan-rebels/

"In one of three interviews yesterday, Mr Obama said the rebels were “saying the right things” so far. “Most of them are professionals, lawyers, doctors, people who appear to be credible,” he told CBS........clueless bullshit

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/barack-obama-ponders-arming-libyan-rebels/story-e6frg6so-1226030963702

And the top jihadists are thrilled with our efforts...http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8415885/Libya-Arab-revolts-a-boost-for-al-Qaeda-says-terrorist-leader.html

Confused yet?

HonestChieffan
03-30-2011, 03:44 PM
Too late now

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/30/us-libya-usa-order-idUSTRE72T6H220110330

3 weeks ago he gave the OK for CIA....would that include special forces? Is that like boots on the ground?


Ohhhhh....the House (of Represenatives) silly guys they are....http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/152805-house-intel-chairman-we-shouldnt-arm-libyan-rebels

Chiefspants
03-30-2011, 04:01 PM
It always works out so well for us when we provide our weapons to freedom fighters, what are we waiting for?

WV
03-30-2011, 04:04 PM
If we do the job correctly they won't need any weapons.

orange
03-30-2011, 04:11 PM
this goes to the far end of the wierdshit scale....

5) We have no idea who the good guys are or if they are good guys.
6) We find out the good guys include the bad guys we are fighting in Afghanistan.
7) A bad guy in Afghanistan is like a transformer if he is in Libya so we can give him guns and ammo.

...

"In one of three interviews yesterday, Mr Obama said the rebels were “saying the right things” so far. “Most of them are professionals, lawyers, doctors, people who appear to be credible,” he told CBS........clueless bullshit

...

Confused yet?

October 14, 1943
http://images.rarenewspapers.com/ebayimgs/1.5.2011/image057.jpg
Italy declares war on Germany


It's a wierdshit world we live in.

orange
03-30-2011, 04:14 PM
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mlyonsd
03-30-2011, 04:37 PM
October 14, 1943
http://images.rarenewspapers.com/ebayimgs/1.5.2011/image057.jpg
Italy declares war on Germany


It's a wierdshit world we live in.You must be a big time hoarder if you have newspapers like that laying around. Get help.

AustinChief
03-30-2011, 04:43 PM
Too late now

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/30/us-libya-usa-order-idUSTRE72T6H220110330

My favorite part of this article... "Obama authorizes secret help..." it's a secret... shhh! don't tell anyone who can't read!

petegz28
03-30-2011, 06:45 PM
I would say no.

The question becomes how far are we willing to go to provide a massacre?

Go unilaterally? Engage in a war? Topple a regime and occupy another country?

I say no. Rule the skies, let the ground game play out.

If we weren't embroiled in two other wars, or if NATO or the UN signed on unanimously again, my opinion might be different. Might.

It's a rare day when we agree on something. Today is one of those days. At least when it comes to saying no. I will even rep you.

mlyonsd
03-30-2011, 07:02 PM
It's a rare day when we agree on something. Today is one of those days. At least when it comes to saying no. I will even rep you.

Bleh. In a week we'll be into this thing for a billion dollars. If monkey boy remains in power all those people we tried to save will be executed anyway. What's the other option, keeping a prolonged no fly zone? How much will that cost us?

Once you're in, you're in. Leaving him in power is failure. It doesn't matter who is president I don't want failure especially when you've risked our guys already.

HonestChieffan
03-30-2011, 07:18 PM
We know the "rebels" contain a bunch of people who a week ago were in Afghanistan shooting at our soldiers. Now we are gonna give them guns and ammo? They will be in Afghanistan using our guns on our guys in a matter of weeks.

This is absurd.

Brock
03-30-2011, 07:20 PM
LOL, suddenly we're worried about the cost of war.

mlyonsd
03-30-2011, 07:26 PM
LOL, suddenly we're worried about the cost of war.
Is that aimed at me?

I have no problem with it.

alnorth
03-30-2011, 08:14 PM
Can they pay for it? If they have some oil or a few bucks to give us for small arms, sure. It's only business.

Bwana
03-30-2011, 08:19 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/clinton-un-resolution-gives-us-authority-to-arm-libyan-rebels-2256768.html


Seems like we are suffering from mission creep rapidly...

You ask this question without a poll? Tisk Tisk, Fixed.

orange
03-30-2011, 08:30 PM
You ask this question without a poll? Tisk Tisk, Fixed.

Wow.
That's new.

Moderation creep.

Bwana
03-30-2011, 08:32 PM
Wow.
That's new.

Moderation creep.

Come again?

orange
03-30-2011, 08:46 PM
Come again?

I've never seen a mod do that before.

Bwana
03-30-2011, 08:51 PM
I've never seen a mod do that before.

Well then, lets ask the thread starter.

HonestChieffan, do you have a problem with the poll? If that's the case, I will be more than happy to remove it. To be honest, I was just checking a few features that I hadn't messed with yet.

HonestChieffan
03-30-2011, 08:57 PM
So much for secrecy. Amateur hour. Do they release this as an example of what?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/31/world/africa/31intel.html?_r=1&src=mv

HonestChieffan
03-30-2011, 08:59 PM
Well then, lets ask the thread starter.

HonestChieffan, do you have a problem with the poll? If that's the case, I will be more than happy to remove it. To be honest, I was just checking a few features that I hadn't messed with yet.

I am honored by the poll and the kind manner that you assisted to improve upon an otherwise mundane thread. You add value beyond the calling you have undertaken.

durtyrute
03-30-2011, 09:07 PM
We shouldn't be over there in the first fucking place, but since it's all about oil and control I guess i get it...not really

Bwana
03-30-2011, 09:07 PM
I am honored by the poll and the kind manner that you assisted to improve upon an otherwise mundane thread. You add value beyond the calling you have undertaken.

:thumb:

Cool, I didn't think you would have a problem with it at all, but then again, you don't' seem like the butt hurt, anal retentive type.

On that note, have a delightful evening Orange. ;)

Dave Lane
03-30-2011, 09:13 PM
Depends on to what level ie not advanced weaponry but I say yes. Time for Gadoofy to die :)

orange
03-30-2011, 09:32 PM
I am honored by the poll and the kind manner that you assisted to improve upon an otherwise mundane thread. You add value beyond the calling you have undertaken.

On that note, have a delightful evening Orange. ;)

Maybe you'll read this tomorrow.

"beyond the calling you have undertaken" = moderation creep

If you're going to take on the task of significantly upgrading all the threads that need it, you're going to wear yourself out pretty quick. Expecially with all the threads HCF starts. o:-)

Bwana
03-30-2011, 09:43 PM
Maybe you'll read this tomorrow.

"beyond the calling you have undertaken" = moderation creep

If you're going to take on the task of significantly upgrading all the threads that need it, you're going to wear yourself out pretty quick. Expecially with all the threads HCF starts. o:-)

Sure, whatever, I plan to quit my day job and "significanttly upgrade ALL the threads that need it" :facepalm:

Perhaps you missed this line in my post "To be honest, I was just checking a few features that I hadn't messed with yet." If that doesn't work for you, perhaps this will help?
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Have a nice night!

orange
03-30-2011, 09:55 PM
:facepalm:

Keep them, you need them. And try some of this:

http://www.alphamom.com/legacy/smackdown/midol.jpg

You're the one with your head in your hands.

go bowe
03-30-2011, 09:55 PM
My favorite part of this article... "Obama authorizes secret help..." it's a secret... shhh! don't tell anyone who can't read!LMAO LMAO LMAO

Bwana
03-30-2011, 10:02 PM
Keep them, you need them. And try some of this:



You're the one with your head in your hands.

I'm good, Orangie. I'm not the one crying about the "EVIL POLL!" and playing the drama queen card.

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orange
03-30-2011, 10:13 PM
I'm not the one crying about the "EVIL POLL!"

No, you're just crying ... on and on ... about the two little words I actually used: moderation creep LMAO

On that note, have a delightful evening Orange. ;)

Have a nice night!
Are you EVER going to actually get out of here? Don't let ME keep you up! :evil:

Say "Goodnight" again and go to bed - they say "third time's the charm."

Bowser
03-30-2011, 10:23 PM
To be fair, I've had moderators modify threads and polls for me in the past.

Bwana
03-30-2011, 10:26 PM
No, you're just crying ... on and on ... about the two little words I actually used: moderation creep LMAO




Are you EVER going to actually get out of here? Don't let ME keep you up! :evil:

Say "Goodnight" again and go to bed - they say "third time's the charm."

Yeah, your "moderation creep" was the ultimate slam, Bronco Boy, good one!! LMAO HonestChieffan really seemed bent out of shape over "Pollgate!"

The only person who was Butt Hurt over it, was you, Drama Queen.

Goodnight, sunshine :)

Bwana
03-30-2011, 10:27 PM
To be fair, I've had moderators modify threads and polls for me in the past.

No No! I'm the Devil!! :evil:

LiveSteam
03-30-2011, 10:28 PM
Sure, whatever, I plan to quit my day job and "significanttly upgrade ALL the threads that need it" :facepalm:

Perhaps you missed this line in my post "To be honest, I was just checking a few features that I hadn't messed with yet." If that doesn't work for you, perhaps this will help?
http://savingmoneyplan.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Picture-9.png


Have a nice night!

& thats even funnier ROFL

orange
03-30-2011, 10:49 PM
Say "Goodnight" again and go to bed - they say "third time's the charm."

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Goodnight, sunshine :)

Good Bwanie! Good boy!!

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LiveSteam
03-30-2011, 10:50 PM
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Bwana
03-30-2011, 10:57 PM
*YAWN*

Perhaps you better go with the "heavy pad" tonight Orange, there seems to be a lot of over compensation and "Heavy" bleeding. ;) Oh and by the way, perhaps you need to start a poll about Pollgate, let me know how that works out for you, Ok? *SNICKER*
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orange
03-30-2011, 11:04 PM
perhaps you need to start a poll about Pollgate

Why would I bother? I made a simple joke. YOU'RE the one weeping over it.

Why don't you make a poll? You seem to care - and I know you know how. LMAOLMAOLMAO

p.s. Bad boy, you didn't go to bed. No more bones for you.

p.p.s I looked for something for your "EVOL" and I saw this:

http://gondwanaresearch.com/hp/evol.gif

I don't know quite what to do with it. Is it better here or in the Catholics Are Evil thread? What do you think?

Bwana
03-30-2011, 11:08 PM
Why would I bother? I made a simple joke. YOU'RE the one weeping over it.

Why don't you make a poll? You seem to care - and I know you know how. LMAOLMAOLMAO

A Joke LMAO riiiiiiiiiiiight!

Translation I pitched a bitch over the poll and it backfired on me, so I'll try to spin it. Dude, you would make Shawn Hannity blush, with that line of BULLSHIT! :LOL:

http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2009/09/18/sean_hannity_1.jpg

Bwana
03-30-2011, 11:11 PM
p.p.s I looked for something for your "EVOL" and I saw this:



I don't know quite what to do with it. Is it better here or in the Catholics Are Evil thread? What do you think?

I would have to be "religious" to give a rats ass...keep trying, spin boy."

orange
03-30-2011, 11:12 PM
A Joke LMAO riiiiiiiiiiiight!


Maybe you should quote what got your dander up. And then look a few posts up - at HCF's original topic - and see if you can guess where I got the idea.

By the way, what do you think about the monkey-spanking-dude picture above? I edited it in after you looked, apparently. Ah, never mind.

Bwana
03-30-2011, 11:25 PM
Maybe you should quote what got your dander up. And then look a few posts up - at HCF's original topic - and see if you can guess where I got the idea.

By the way, what do you think about the monkey-spanking-dude picture above? I edited it in after you looked, apparently. Ah, never mind.

You cried like a little bitch over the poll, *SNICKER*LMAO (I'm still waiting for your poll over MOD ABUSE :LOL:) as far as the picture, I don't care, that's your dance. Now go Kotex up that nasty tired bleeding twat of yours and hit the sack, M'Kay. :thumb:

XOXO

Bwana

orange
03-30-2011, 11:33 PM
"moderation creep" has kept you up three hours and counting.

Who'da guessed you're such a pansy?!

Say "goodnight Gracie."

I bet you post again. I think I've found your weakness - well, one of the many

Bwana
03-31-2011, 04:33 AM
Goodnight Whiner.... :deevee:

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