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Jenson71
03-30-2011, 07:17 PM
They can be major historical figures like Gandhi or Churchill, or some hard-working reformer like Thurgood Marshall or Dorthy Day, or an influential writer/thinker like C.S. Lewis or Bertrand Russell. People who are alive can definitely be nominated.

These are people who you would nominate a young, learning lad to take notice of if he asked you the question, "Who should I look up to?"

Thoughtful answers get rep and respect.

I'm 23 years old and I'm still currently in the early development stages of ideas and convictions. It's a most important task. But if a young lad asked me "Who should I look up to?" I would want to give him some starting points that I am comfortable with.

I need to start with some fundamental characteristics that I find admirable.

1) Work Ethic. I'm surrounded by really smart people everyday. It's both encouraging to see smart people work and talk, and it can also make me annoyed at how easily it all comes to them. As easy as it is to be in awe of brilliance, it's not itself an admirable character trait. It's a gift that people are born with and either use it and develop it, or degrade it. And what determines that is work ethic. We admire those people who aren't born with some unbelievably high IQ, who spend long hours doing some research problem, who the subjects don't come easy to, but still get one of the best grades in the class. They have worked.

2) Courage. Whether it be mental courage, in the form of taking an unpopular stance that you believe to be morally right or the entrepreneur who risks much for some goal, or the physical courage of saving someone's life while putting your own at risk, courage is tremendously admirable.

3) Fairness. Good presumptions, the ability to seek out the good in people, to examine all sides of an issue, to play with ideas, not rigidly shirk diversity, and have genuine empathy for humanity, and play with honesty and integrity.

4) Endurance. To keep trying, even in the face of failure and adversity, and to do so with a calmed strength and confidence.

5) Sacrificing. A generosity of time and resources to other people and causes who are in need.

6) Appreciation for Beauty. Whether that beauty comes from another human being's art or actions, or the natural world, or a beautiful idea, an appreciation for beauty is something which gives life so much meaning and education.

mlyonsd
03-30-2011, 07:24 PM
Awesome question. I'm a big WWII fan so for me I'd pick something from that era.

Dick Winters
Doolittle
Bradley

LiveSteam
03-30-2011, 07:35 PM
MY FATHER. Always my # 1 hero.
Churchill
Roosevelt
Patton
Quantrill
Reagan
Tom Osborne
Crazy Horse
Geronimo
Hiawatha

A few I hate my top 2 = Isoroku Yamamoto & bin laden
TEXAS LONGHORN FOOTBALL & ALL INVOLVED
William Tecumseh Sherman
Grenville Dodge
Grant
Hitler & all involved in the Third Reich
Stalin
Obama
Clinton

Chocolate Hog
03-30-2011, 07:40 PM
Barry Goldwater
Tom Osborne
Ron Paul

LiveSteam
03-30-2011, 07:47 PM
Awesome question. I'm a big WWII fan so for me I'd pick something from that era.

Dick Winters
Doolittle
Bradley

That is a great 3 for sure. What the Doolittle raid on Tokyo did for the moral of this country is stuff of legend. My father lived it as a 10 year old. I still have the Omaha World Harold paper from that raid. it is one of my most valued possessions

Rain Man
03-30-2011, 07:51 PM
I always thought that Malcolm Forbes was cool. He was rich, and he went out and enjoyed it without being an out-of-control spoiled brat.

LiveSteam
03-30-2011, 07:56 PM
How about Donald Trump ?

ClevelandBronco
03-30-2011, 07:58 PM
Groucho Marx

Jenson71
03-30-2011, 07:58 PM
How about Donald Trump ?

Are you serious?

AustinChief
03-30-2011, 08:01 PM
Harry Truman - one of the last great HUMANS to hold the Presidency
Warren Buffett - stayed true to his roots even when the richest man on the planet

Plenty more, but those two pop into my head right away...

LiveSteam
03-30-2011, 08:05 PM
Are you serious?

Hey/ he could be your next President.
Ted Nugent will be his running mate.
GOT CHINA IN A STRANGLE HOLD BABY, BETTER CROSS YOUR FACE!

NewChief
03-30-2011, 08:12 PM
Marx
Lenin
Engels


Oh, this century?

Obama
Pelosi
Reid

:evil:

ClevelandBronco
03-30-2011, 08:15 PM
Richard Brautigan, Marc Chagall

Jenson71
03-30-2011, 08:20 PM
Some of the most depressing times are when you feel your life lacks ethical role models. It's hard, maybe impossible, to find saints in public life. It's hard to cope with the fact that people we have looked up to for so long, that we want to continue to look up to, have flaws.

Imagine hearing the lives of the saints when those stories were taken as absolute truth. It gave life a glorious meaning. Is there any equivalent of that today?

ClevelandBronco
03-30-2011, 08:25 PM
John Paul II

Bwana
03-30-2011, 08:27 PM
Marx
Lenin
Engels


Oh, this century?

Obama
Pelosi
Reid

:evil:

:banghead: DUDE!

ClevelandBronco
03-30-2011, 08:29 PM
Bill Gates

SNR
03-30-2011, 08:40 PM
Charlie Sheen

Jenson71
03-30-2011, 08:41 PM
John Paul II is an emphatic must.

Jenson71
03-30-2011, 08:46 PM
A 17 year old Jenson learns about Pope John Paul II: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=108958&highlight=John+Paul

LiveSteam
03-30-2011, 10:00 PM
A 17 year old Jenson learns about Pope John Paul II: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=108958&highlight=John+Paul

So tell me .What did you learn? Im not a catholic.
My X masonry business partner was, & this is what I learned.
Monday threw Saturday, you can cheat on your wife, take your pay check & blow it on keno while your kids go hungry & head to school in rags, do crack,meth, steal, & just be a complete fucking loser 6 days a week.
But as long as your ass goes to confession & confesses on Sunday. Its ok. Your absolved of all your wrong doing. Hypocrites :shake:

KC Dan
03-30-2011, 10:05 PM
So tell me .What did you learn? Im not a catholic.
My X masonry business partner was, & this is what I learned.
Monday threw Saturday, you can cheat on your wife, take your pay check & blow it on keno while your kids go hungry & head to school in rags, do crack,meth, steal, & just be a complete ****ing loser 6 days a week.
But as long as your ass goes to confession & confesses on Sunday. Its ok. Your absolved of all your wrong doing. Hypocrites :shake:
What a hero to learn from!!! ROFLLMAO

LiveSteam
03-30-2011, 10:11 PM
What a hero to learn from!!! ROFLLMAO

Im not calling all Catholics hypocrites
Just him. & how he abused that part of the catholic church.
Im Lutheran. We call the cops for stealing & child abuse. Call your family for intervention for alcohol & drugs.
Sorry but I think this is better :evil:

AustinChief
03-30-2011, 10:25 PM
So tell me .What did you learn? Im not a catholic.
My X masonry business partner was, & this is what I learned.
Monday threw Saturday, you can cheat on your wife, take your pay check & blow it on keno while your kids go hungry & head to school in rags, do crack,meth, steal, & just be a complete fucking loser 6 days a week.
But as long as your ass goes to confession & confesses on Sunday. Its ok. Your absolved of all your wrong doing. Hypocrites :shake:

Actually he wasn't just a hypocrite.. he was an idiot.. the Catholic Church doesn't offer absolution without contrition and a sincere effort to not repeat former sins.. this is Penance 101. If he thought otherwise he was sadly mistaken.

LiveSteam
03-30-2011, 10:35 PM
Actually he wasn't just a hypocrite.. he was an idiot.. the Catholic Church doesn't offer absolution without contrition and a sincere effort to not repeat former sins.. this is Penance 101. If he thought otherwise he was sadly mistaken.

Was not just him. He learned this type of behavior from his dad. Who was a BIG TIME BIBLE THUMP-ER, MOM TO. Maybe it was the church that they attended?
In his own words to me, more than once. " God made me a sinner, Im supposed to sin.bla bla bla."
A sinner gotta sin I guess.
I know most all of you are very good Catholic people.
Sucks that the only real example I ever had of a Catholic ,was him.

MagicHef
03-31-2011, 03:09 AM
Tesla.

Slainte
03-31-2011, 05:29 AM
The guy quoted in MagicHef's .sig is a good place to start...

Amnorix
03-31-2011, 06:06 AM
Harry Truman certainly did a better job as President, under some of the worst circumstances, and with a smaller base of support to start with, than anybody in the last 100 years, so put him on the list.

I dont' know all that much about Steve Jobs personally, but he seems to have a real talent for building a company that makes things that people want, often before they even know just how badly they want them. Meanwhile, I haven't heard of Apple engaging in extensive monopolistic practices and acting in the exact way we DON'T want big corporations to act. (Bill Gates and Microsoft can DIAF).

Warren Buffett is an amazing combination of folksy down-home common sense and brilliant entrepreneurial/investing skills.

Honorable mentions: Whoever invented air conditioning.

Amnorix
03-31-2011, 06:10 AM
MY FATHER. Always my # 1 hero.
Churchill
Roosevelt
Patton
Quantrill
Reagan
Tom Osborne
Crazy Horse
Geronimo
Hiawatha

A few I hate my top 2 = Isoroku Yamamoto & bin laden
TEXAS LONGHORN FOOTBALL & ALL INVOLVED
William Tecumseh Sherman
Grenville Dodge
Grant
Hitler & all involved in the Third Reich
Stalin
Obama
Clinton

You missed the "last 100 years part".

And I like how Sherman and Grant, Obama and Clinton are lumped with Stalin and Hitler. :rolleyes: You're also a bit off-base blaming Yamamoto for making some good military moves at the behest of his political masters. It's Hideki Tojo you should hate instead if you want to hate someone for Pearl Harbor or whatever.

I felt like anything rather than rejoicing at the downfall of a foe who had fought so long and valiantly, and had suffered so much for a cause thought that was, I believe, one of the worst for which a people ever fought, and one for which there was the least excuse.

LiveSteam
03-31-2011, 06:45 AM
You missed the "last 100 years part".

And I like how William Tecumseh Sherman
Grenville Dodge
Grant Obama and Clinton are lumped with Stalin and Hitler. :rolleyes: You're also a bit off-base blaming Yamamoto for making some good military moves at the behest of his political masters. It's Hideki Tojo you should hate instead if you want to hate someone for Pearl Harbor or whatever.

I dont know what happened up around your part of the country after the Civil war.
But down hear in Nebraska where I live . These 3 =William Tecumseh Sherman
Grenville Dodge & Grant did their best to wage genocide, & to wipe the prairie Indians off the face of the earth.

The more Indians we can kill this year the fewer we will need to kill the next, because the more I see of the Indians the more convinced I become that they must either all be killed or be maintained as a species of pauper. Their attempts at civilization is ridiculous... Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman. http://www.plpow.com/Atrocities_QuotesFromSherman.htm

BucEyedPea
03-31-2011, 07:32 AM
Do you want public as in govt and not private sector? Or can it be famous people from the private sector but who are public figures?

I'll do just govt related and then a separate section for the other:

#1. Margaret Thatcher
For overturning socialism in Britain as much as she could and turning the country around.

#2. Ronald Reagan

#3. Ghandi
Showing how the "means is the end" and taking down the British Empire
using this.


Not in any particular order of preference:

Ludwig Von Mises

Helen Keller

Mother Teresa

Leo Szilard

Henry Hazlitt

Amelia Earhart
Accomplishment without affirmative action

Princess Diana

The Wright Brothers
Did what they did without govt subsidies

Peter Max

Thomas Sowell

AustinChief
03-31-2011, 07:39 AM
Honorable mentions: Whoever invented air conditioning.

Willis Carrier

Amnorix
03-31-2011, 07:45 AM
I dont know what happened up around your part of the country after the Civil war.
But down hear in Nebraska where I live . These 3 =William Tecumseh Sherman
Grenville Dodge & Grant did their best to wage genocide, & to wipe the prairie Indians off the face of the earth.

The more Indians we can kill this year the fewer we will need to kill the next, because the more I see of the Indians the more convinced I become that they must either all be killed or be maintained as a species of pauper. Their attempts at civilization is ridiculous... Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman. http://www.plpow.com/Atrocities_QuotesFromSherman.htm

My assumption, especially since you had Quantrill on your list (for some reason I also can't fathom) was that you had Grant/Sherman on your list for the events of 1861-65, and not afterwards.

If you want to hold their Indian policies against them, that's fine, but you need to add a few more to your list, such as Andrew Jackson and Phil Sheridan.

patteeu
03-31-2011, 07:46 AM
Dick & Lynn Cheney - So devoted to public service but yet solid family people. Good sense of humor and very humble too.

G. Gordon Liddy - He did his time like a man without squealing or whining. Bad-ass.

David Horowitz - Immersed in communism as a child, he saw the light when a friend was murdered by the black panthers and became a force for good. His autobiography was excellent.

Rush Limbaugh - Not exactly a rags to riches story (he grew up in the upper middle class), but through perseverance he rose from being a college dropout working at a podunk radio station to the undisputed king of talk radio.

Joe Delaney - Chiefs running back with a bright future ahead of him, died young when he jumped into a pond to save some drowning kids despite the fact that he couldn't swim himself.

Chuck Yeager/John Glenn/Yuri Gagarin - It takes some guts to be a test pilot or to let them launch you into space.

Jenson71
03-31-2011, 07:50 AM
Helen Keller


Does Helen Keller's socialist activism do anything to taint her reputation in your eyes?

BucEyedPea
03-31-2011, 07:50 AM
Look at pat's NeoCon dominated list!

patteeu
03-31-2011, 07:52 AM
Look at pat's NeoCon dominated list!

Be sure not to miss the communist I included, too.

BTW, the only guy on my list who fits the profile of a true neocon was recently quoted on this site explaining why he doesn't agree with the neocons.

Jenson71
03-31-2011, 07:53 AM
So tell me .What did you learn? Im not a catholic.
My X masonry business partner was, & this is what I learned.
Monday threw Saturday, you can cheat on your wife, take your pay check & blow it on keno while your kids go hungry & head to school in rags, do crack,meth, steal, & just be a complete ****ing loser 6 days a week.
But as long as your ass goes to confession & confesses on Sunday. Its ok. Your absolved of all your wrong doing. Hypocrites :shake:

I've never heard this criticism before. Never.

BucEyedPea
03-31-2011, 07:53 AM
Does Helen Keller's socialist activism do anything to taint her reputation in your eyes?

I forgive her due to the congestion of the brain from her illness. That she was able to overcome so much despite that, and not on everything, is still extremely admirable.

patteeu
03-31-2011, 07:56 AM
I've never heard this criticism before. Never.

LMAO

patteeu
03-31-2011, 08:00 AM
So tell me .What did you learn? Im not a catholic.
My X masonry business partner was, & this is what I learned.
Monday threw Saturday, you can cheat on your wife, take your pay check & blow it on keno while your kids go hungry & head to school in rags, do crack,meth, steal, & just be a complete ****ing loser 6 days a week.
But as long as your ass goes to confession & confesses on Sunday. Its ok. Your absolved of all your wrong doing. Hypocrites :shake:

Would it be fair to say that this guy's regrettable behavior reflects at least as much on the people who would partner with him in business as it does on his religion?

Amnorix
03-31-2011, 08:00 AM
LIBBY?!?! Someone to look up to?! WTF? That is seriously whacked.

BucEyedPea
03-31-2011, 08:00 AM
Oops! I forgot Ludwig Von Mises and Hazlitt. Had them on my pencil notes and forgot to type them in.

Their works weren't written in braille so I forgive Helen. ;)

Ebolapox
03-31-2011, 08:07 AM
a lot of good names have been named... since nobody has named any scientists, I have to put a few down.

(in no particular order)
albert einstein
richard dawkins
alexander fleming
robert koch
paul lewis
nicola tesla (named)
julian huxley
ernst mayr
r.a. fisher
j.b.s. haldane
watson, crick, chargoff, wilson, franklin and stokes (dna)
paul berg

and a TON more... some weren't really public figures, but their work was and they get consideration (as far as I'm concerned) for their impact on the world.

patteeu
03-31-2011, 08:07 AM
LIBBY?!?! Someone to look up to?! WTF? That is seriously whacked.

Why?

BucEyedPea
03-31-2011, 08:09 AM
a lot of good names have been named... since nobody has named any scientists, I have to put a few down.

(in no particular order)
albert einstein
richard dawkins
alexander fleming
robert koch
paul lewis
nicola tesla (named)
julian huxley
ernst mayr
r.a. fisher
j.b.s. haldane
watson, crick, chargoff, wilson, franklin and stokes (dna)
paul berg

and a TON more... some weren't really public figures, but their work was and they get consideration (as far as I'm concerned) for their impact on the world.

I named a scientist—Léo Szilárd!

I also named an artist and inventors. They create new realities.

Ebolapox
03-31-2011, 08:12 AM
what, did somebody just post there? I love iggy :p

Baby Lee
03-31-2011, 08:19 AM
a lot of good names have been named... since nobody has named any scientists, I have to put a few down.

(in no particular order)
albert einstein
richard dawkins
alexander fleming
robert koch
paul lewis
nicola tesla (named)
julian huxley
ernst mayr
r.a. fisher
j.b.s. haldane
watson, crick, chargoff, wilson, franklin and stokes (dna)
paul berg

and a TON more... some weren't really public figures, but their work was and they get consideration (as far as I'm concerned) for their impact on the world.

No love for Feynman?

Ebolapox
03-31-2011, 08:22 AM
No love for Feynman?

most on my list are biologists (I'm a biology guy myself), and only the most notable physicists made my list (he'd be on a more comprehensive list)

Jenson71
03-31-2011, 08:23 AM
I'm 23 years old and I'm still currently in the early development stages of ideas and convictions. It's a most important task. But if a young lad asked me "Who should I look up to?" I would want to give him some starting points that I am comfortable with.

I need to start with some fundamental characteristics that I find admirable.

1) Work Ethic. I'm surrounded by really smart people everyday. It's both encouraging to see smart people work and talk, and it can also make me annoyed at how easily it all comes to them. As easy as it is to be in awe of brilliance, it's not itself an admirable character trait. It's a gift that people are born with and either use it and develop it, or degrade it. And what determines that is work ethic. We admire those people who aren't born with some unbelievably high IQ, who spend long hours doing some research problem, who the subjects don't come easy to, but still get one of the best grades in the class. They have worked.

2) Courage. Whether it be mental courage, in the form of taking an unpopular stance that you believe to be morally right or the entrepreneur who risks much for some goal, or the physical courage of saving someone's life while putting your own at risk, courage is tremendously admirable.

3) Fairness. Good presumptions, the ability to seek out the good in people, to examine all sides of an issue, to play with ideas, not rigidly shirk diversity, and have genuine empathy for humanity, and play with honesty and integrity.

4) Endurance. To keep trying, even in the face of failure and adversity, and to do so with a calmed strength and confidence.

5) Sacrificing. A generosity of time and resources to other people and causes who are in need.

6) Appreciation for Beauty. Whether that beauty comes from another human being's art or actions, or the natural world, or a beautiful idea, an appreciation for beauty is something which gives life so much meaning and education.

blaise
03-31-2011, 08:24 AM
Rod Serling is one of my favorites. For one, I'm a huge fan of the old Twilight Zones.

But I also really like him because he was just a really creative and imaginative guy. He basically just started writing scripts at a fairly young age, began selling them, got more notoriety, and was able to create a show like the Twilight Zone where he put out tons of (what I think) are creative and different and well written shows. He wrote the majority of the episodes himself, and he chose the ones he didn't wisely. The episode based on An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge, for example.
I just find him a really fascinating guy.

Norman Borlaug would be another person. His work basically changed the world for billions of people.

blaise
03-31-2011, 08:27 AM
I'm 23 years old and I'm still currently in the early development stages of ideas and convictions. It's a most important task. But if a young lad asked me "Who should I look up to?" I would want to give him some starting points that I am comfortable with.

I need to start with some fundamental characteristics that I find admirable.

1) Work Ethic. I'm surrounded by really smart people everyday. It's both encouraging to see smart people work and talk, and it can also make me annoyed at how easily it all comes to them. As easy as it is to be in awe of brilliance, it's not itself an admirable character trait. It's a gift that people are born with and either use it and develop it, or degrade it. And what determines that is work ethic. We admire those people who aren't born with some unbelievably high IQ, who spend long hours doing some research problem, who the subjects don't come easy to, but still get one of the best grades in the class. They have worked.

2) Courage. Whether it be mental courage, in the form of taking an unpopular stance that you believe to be morally right or the entrepreneur who risks much for some goal, or the physical courage of saving someone's life while putting your own at risk, courage is tremendously admirable.

3) Fairness. Good presumptions, the ability to seek out the good in people, to examine all sides of an issue, to play with ideas, not rigidly shirk diversity, and have genuine empathy for humanity, and play with honesty and integrity.

4) Endurance. To keep trying, even in the face of failure and adversity, and to do so with a calmed strength and confidence.

5) Sacrificing. A generosity of time and resources to other people and causes who are in need.

6) Appreciation for Beauty. Whether that beauty comes from another human being's art or actions, or the natural world, or a beautiful idea, an appreciation for beauty is something which gives life so much meaning and education.

I'm just curious, why are you limiting it to the past century? Not that there's anything wrong with that, I'm just curious. Is it because you think it's just more interesting to have it be at least somewhat recent?

Jenson71
03-31-2011, 08:31 AM
I'm just curious, why are you limiting it to the past century? Not that there's anything wrong with that, I'm just curious. Is it because you think it's just more interesting to have it be at least somewhat recent?

Mostly because of the information that would be available on them or from them. Pretty much every public figure from the past century would have had some writings (or primary sources of him) that our young lad could read and learn from. And also it attempts to eliminate the time and cultural differences that can separate us 21st century Americans with, say, St. Francis of Assisi.

Rausch
03-31-2011, 08:37 AM
Muhammad Ali
Joe Lewis
Lee Iacocca
Patton
Stephen Hawking
Nicola Tesla

HonestChieffan
03-31-2011, 08:37 AM
Public figures I find interesting. Biographies can teach you something about the individual and his or her time and passions.

For true impact on moulding a person, it is the people who you have actually known and learned from that guide and mentor people. The best part is that even in my later years I still learn from so many people in so many walks of life who are good, honest, and successful in their own quiet way.

Surround yourself with interesting people who have wide interests and varied backgrounds.

Amnorix
03-31-2011, 08:39 AM
Why?

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In 1971, after serving in several positions in the Nixon administration, Liddy was moved to Nixon's 1972 campaign, the Committee to Re-elect the President (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/Committee_to_Re-elect_the_President) (officially known as "CRP" but known to opponents as CREEP), in order to extend the scope and reach of the White House "Plumbers (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/White_House_Plumbers)" unit, which had been created in response to various damaging leaks of information to the press. At CRP Liddy concocted several plots, some far-fetched, intended to embarrass the Democratic (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)) opposition.<SUP id=cite_ref-4 class=reference>[5] (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/#cite_note-4)</SUP> These included kidnapping anti-war protest (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/Anti-war_protest) organizers and transporting them to Mexico (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/Mexico) during the Republican National Convention (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/Republican_National_Convention) (which at the time was planned for San Diego (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/San_Diego)), as well as luring mid-level Democratic campaign officials to a house boat in Baltimore (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/Baltimore) where they would be secretly photographed in compromising positions with prostitutes (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/Prostitute). Most of Liddy's ideas were rejected by Attorney General (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/Attorney_General) John N. Mitchell (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/John_N._Mitchell), but a few were given the go-ahead by Nixon Administration officials, including the break-in at Daniel Ellsberg (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/Daniel_Ellsberg)'s psychiatrist's office in Los Angeles (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/Los_Angeles). Ellsberg had leaked the Pentagon Papers (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/Pentagon_Papers) to the New York Times (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/New_York_Times).<SUP id=cite_ref-5 class=reference>[6] (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/#cite_note-5)</SUP> At some point, Liddy was instructed to break into the Democratic National Committee offices in the Watergate Hotel (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/wiki/Watergate_Hotel).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Gordon_Liddy

Look, maybe he's just a typical right-wing talk show host now, but he was a full-fledged, ultra-gung-ho right wing nut job who was WAAAY off the reservation when he was with Nixon. At that point he was already in his 40s, so he wasn't "young and dumb" or anything.

Jenson71
03-31-2011, 08:45 AM
Immediately, my list would have to include:

Jackie Robinson
Mother Teresa
John Paul II
Pius XI
Dwight Eisenhower
C.S. Lewis

Rausch
03-31-2011, 08:45 AM
Surround yourself with interesting people who have wide interests and varied backgrounds.

Very good advice...

patteeu
03-31-2011, 08:50 AM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Gordon_Liddy

Look, maybe he's just a typical right-wing talk show host now, but he was a full-fledged, ultra-gung-ho right wing nut job who was WAAAY off the reservation when he was with Nixon. At that point he was already in his 40s, so he wasn't "young and dumb" or anything.

That's it? Your objection is based on the fact that he was involved in some political dirty tricks? Personally, I don't think a guy has to be a saint in order to deserve some level of admiration. If a cold-blooded assassin is also a loving parent, you can admire their parenting skill without admiring the killing they do.

Like I said, he served his time for his crimes and he faced his punishment without flinching or selling anyone out for lighter treatment. I find that admirable.

Jenson71
03-31-2011, 08:52 AM
6) Appreciation for Beauty. Whether that beauty comes from another human being's art or actions, or the natural world, or a beautiful idea, an appreciation for beauty is something which gives life so much meaning and education.

On a related note, I cannot understand or even begin to understand how to appreciate, poetry, with only few exceptions.

blaise
03-31-2011, 08:57 AM
I'll also nominate Condoleezza Rice. Even if you hate her politics I don't see how you can't admire her as a person, and see that she's had a very interesting life.

Amnorix
03-31-2011, 08:58 AM
That's it? Your objection is based on the fact that he was involved in some political dirty tricks? Personally, I don't think a guy has to be a saint in order to deserve some level of admiration. If a cold-blooded assassin is also a loving parent, you can admire their parenting skill without admiring the killing they do.

Like I said, he served his time for his crimes and he faced his punishment without flinching or selling anyone out for lighter treatment. I find that admirable.

Whitewater was "some political dirty tricks". Wow. Just wow.

The admirable part is that the criminal didn't turn rat. Ok. So street level mobsters who don't turn rat on their cappos are just as admirable as G. Gordon Liddy. I can accept that.

blaise
03-31-2011, 08:59 AM
Whitewater was "some political dirty tricks". Wow. Just wow.

The admirable part is that the criminal didn't turn rat. Ok. So street level mobsters who don't turn rat on their cappos are just as admirable as G. Gordon Liddy. I can accept that.

No, Whitewater was worse than just a dirty trick.

patteeu
03-31-2011, 09:06 AM
Whitewater was "some political dirty tricks". Wow. Just wow.

The admirable part is that the criminal didn't turn rat. Ok. So street level mobsters who don't turn rat on their cappos are just as admirable as G. Gordon Liddy. I can accept that.

Watergate... but yes it was a political dirty trick, albeit a criminal one. Liddy deserves more admiration than the average street level mobster, IMO, because he didn't commit crimes for personal gain and because after paying his debt to society in full he's been a law-abiding contributor to society.

mlyonsd
03-31-2011, 09:10 AM
Watergate...

Thanks. For a bit there I was confused.

Amnorix
03-31-2011, 09:41 AM
Watergate... but yes it was a political dirty trick, albeit a criminal one. Liddy deserves more admiration than the average street level mobster, IMO, because he didn't commit crimes for personal gain and because after paying his debt to society in full he's been a law-abiding contributor to society.

:LOL: at the Whitewater/Watergate mix up. Nice.

Ok, so criminals who conduct their crimes for the benefit of others and then don't rat out the people responsible for ordering the crimes to be committed, thereby allowing such people to escape unpunished, and then stoically accept their sentence are to be admired. Got it.

;)

FishingRod
03-31-2011, 11:16 AM
Ty Cobb, just super nice guy

ClevelandBronco
03-31-2011, 11:16 AM
On a related note, I cannot understand or even begin to understand how to appreciate, poetry, with only few exceptions.

Wilfred Owen.

orange
03-31-2011, 11:19 AM
Ty Cobb, just super nice guy

Yeah, but he was no William Quantrill.

vailpass
03-31-2011, 11:22 AM
Barry Goldwater
Michael Jordan
Kurt Vonnegut

whoman69
03-31-2011, 11:49 AM
William Proxmire
Robert Kennedy
Harry Truman

LiveSteam
03-31-2011, 11:50 AM
Kurt Cobain

FishingRod
03-31-2011, 11:58 AM
Well I just adopted a 3 legged dog. I figure that puts me well ahead of the average politician in making the world a better place.

SNR
03-31-2011, 12:02 PM
Tesla.This

mlyonsd
03-31-2011, 12:03 PM
Well I just adopted a 3 legged dog. I figure that puts me well ahead of the average politician in making the world a better place.

3 legged dogs are for the most part pretty functional. Now if it were a 2 legged dog......

FishingRod
03-31-2011, 12:20 PM
3 legged dogs are for the most part pretty functional. Now if it were a 2 legged dog......

Yeah he gets around very well when moving quick. It is mucher harder to just walk or lean down to eat.

scott free
03-31-2011, 12:28 PM
They've been mentioned, but i've always been enamored with astronauts. I cant imagine the guts it must take to ride a giant bomb into space & thats just getting there. The myriad of hazards they face once there is even more impressive... a spacewalk? I would be paralyzed with fear.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-31-2011, 12:45 PM
Noam Chomsky
Bertrand Russell
Hannah Arendt
Michel Foucault
Simone Beauvoir
Vasily Arkhipov
Siegfried Sassoon

vailpass
03-31-2011, 01:12 PM
Noam Chomsky
Bertrand Russell
Hannah Arendt
Michel Foucault
Simone Beauvoir
Vasily Arkhipov
Siegfried Sassoon

buncha' Kansas City fraggits

Direckshun
03-31-2011, 01:17 PM
Martin Luther King, Jr.

Sannyasi
03-31-2011, 01:22 PM
I really like some of the people being selected here. I'll add a few admirable people who have been overlooked so far:

George Orwell
Salman Rushdie
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

LiveSteam
03-31-2011, 01:29 PM
Martin Luther King, Jr.

Just for you Direckshun :-)
Albert Einstein
David Ben-Gurion
Isaac Asimov
Woody Allen
Bob Dylan
Andy Kaufman
Ali MacGraw
Adam Sandler
Alan Greenspan
Art Garfunkel
Al Davis
Bob Kraft
Bud Selig
http://www.listafterlist.com/tabid/57/listid/8914/Religion/Famous+Jews.aspx

I tried to do a search for famous important Palestinians . BUT
No standard web pages containing all your search terms were found.

Your search - famous Palestinians - did not match any documents.

Suggestions:

* Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
* Try different keywords.
* Try more general keywords.
* Try fewer keywords.
:evil:

Hog Farmer
03-31-2011, 01:56 PM
Pamela Anderson :thumb:

shirtsleeve
03-31-2011, 02:09 PM
I cant believe no one has nominated her yet.:harumph:

Smokin' hot teenage but over 18 Valerie Bertinelli, FTW! :rockon:

/thread

Radar Chief
03-31-2011, 02:27 PM
Tesla.

Beat me to it. :thumb:
Without him I wouldn’t have this sweet assed job.

Radar Chief
03-31-2011, 02:34 PM
The “Doohan Slide” as performed by Sir Mick Doohan, 5 time 500GP champ. From back when GP bikes were two stroke fire breathing monsters controllable by only a hand full of the most elite racers in the world.

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Radar Chief
03-31-2011, 03:23 PM
Gordon Jennings.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/001114b.htm

I learned more about the intricate details of how an ICE works from reading that guy than from discussing the subject with any five ME’s.

Calcountry
03-31-2011, 06:39 PM
Jessie Jackson, with the Rainbow coalition. I voted for him in the primary. True story, but back then, I was as young, stupid and naive as the OP.

blaise
03-31-2011, 10:04 PM
I was thinking Ted Williams would be a good one. There's a lot of interesting information available on him. He served two stints in the military during his career. He grew up always wanting to play baseball, and he devoted his life to being great at what he did. To him hitting was a science and an art, and he wrote a book about it that many major leaguers read. And, like I said, it's interesting to read the stories about him. One of the books I have on him is just like 50 or 60 anecdotes about people who met him or knew him at various points of his life, and each of the stories is interesting.

LiveSteam
03-31-2011, 11:25 PM
Obamas father
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Sure he did. My dad was the first to land on the moon.

PornChief
04-01-2011, 02:36 AM
Ben Hogan

Inspector
04-01-2011, 11:52 AM
Mel Blanc
Red Skelton
Orville Redenbacher
Amos
Andy
Otis the town drunk
Beaver, Wally and Lumpy...I mean Clarence. (screw you Eddie)
Oh and Mr. Green Jeans.

Radar Chief
04-01-2011, 12:28 PM
Anyone ever awarded one of these.

http://www.history.army.mil/moh.html

orange
04-01-2011, 12:36 PM
Mel Blanc
Red Skelton
Orville Redenbacher
Amos
Andy
Otis the town drunk
Beaver, Wally and Lumpy...I mean Clarence. (screw you Eddie)
Oh and Mr. Green Jeans.

A good list. In that vein,

Andy Griffith
Jim Henson

Jaric
04-01-2011, 01:10 PM
A good list. In that vein,

Andy Griffith
Jim Henson

:thumb:

LiveSteam
04-01-2011, 01:32 PM
Playboys Hugh Hefner
http://www.sugarslam.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Hugh-Hefner-Playboy-girls.jpg

NewChief
04-01-2011, 02:40 PM
Marx
Lenin
Engels


Oh, this century?

Obama
Pelosi
Reid

:evil:

And since some people evidently thought I was serious:

This post, obviously, was intended to make fun of all of your wingnuts who equate Obama with a Marxist... it wasn't an admission that he's like Marx.

Amnorix
04-01-2011, 03:10 PM
I was thinking Ted Williams would be a good one. There's a lot of interesting information available on him. He served two stints in the military during his career. He grew up always wanting to play baseball, and he devoted his life to being great at what he did. To him hitting was a science and an art, and he wrote a book about it that many major leaguers read. And, like I said, it's interesting to read the stories about him. One of the books I have on him is just like 50 or 60 anecdotes about people who met him or knew him at various points of his life, and each of the stories is interesting.

It's not entirely unfair to state that the persona John Wayne tried to project on screen WAS Ted Williams in real life.

Oh, and little known fact -- in addition to being one of the absolute greatest hitters ever, he was also one of the absolute greatest fishermen ever, according to all reports.

Radar Chief
04-01-2011, 03:37 PM
And since some people evidently thought I was serious:

This post, obviously, was intended to make fun of all of your wingnuts who equate Obama with a Marxist... it wasn't an admission that he's like Marx.

Ah, too bad. For a moment there I though you had come to your senses. ;)