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Jenson71
04-04-2011, 03:41 PM
A couple of reasons to have a thread dedicated to Mormons.

1) It's an American original
2) It's growing in size
3) It's growing in importance

At my law school, there is a group of Mormons, many unsurprisingly coming from BYU, that from what I understand, is growing every year. And not only that, but I've heard that these students get their entire tuition paid for by their church, or some fund. And the same goes for med students.

So, are we seeing the Church of Latter Day Saints actively put their next generation into all corners of the country, into places of privilege and power?

They are, with little doubt, some of the nicest people you will run into. Extremely well put together, straight-arrow, dedicated people who won't hesitate to help out. A lot of respect for the Mormon child-raising is due, from my limited perspective.

Let's talk this out.

SNR
04-04-2011, 03:44 PM
I had a mormon friend for a short while when I was in elementary school.

Our relationship ended when he told me it was sinful to watch The Simpsons

I hope to hell that people like him aren't running the country any time soon

jiveturkey
04-04-2011, 03:45 PM
My first wife was an ex-mormon. She was kicked out for participating in the types of activities that attracted me to her. :)

They have a shit ton of rules and they stick to them.

Stewie
04-04-2011, 03:48 PM
I grew up next door to a Mormon family. Absolutely the nicest people you'd ever want to know. (These are Mormons, not the RLDS cult in Independence.) My friend Sam never wavered from what he was taught. No caffeine, no alcohol, etc. He went to BYU and is now an attorney.

My boss (that just left for a new job) was also a Mormon. Great guy and he and his wife are single-handedly trying to build the Mormon population. Their sixth kid is on the way. They also follow the Mormon way. One thing is true, the two families I've known well don't stray from their belief.

vailpass
04-04-2011, 03:50 PM
If you ever need to borrow any cannded goods your Mormon neighbor should be your first stop.

HonestChieffan
04-04-2011, 03:52 PM
Ive known Mormons, worked with them and count many as friends. Anyone who sees them as any different from other christians is uninformed and ignorant.

vailpass
04-04-2011, 03:53 PM
There are a large number of mormons here in PHX. The city of Mesa is an extension of Salt Lake City, complete with it's own temple.
Senator Russell Pearce, he of SB1070, is a mormon from the Mesa district.
The mormon presence in AZ is large and growing larger. Their presence here is favored as productive and contributing. Mormons are viewed in a much better light than certain other elements of the population that are also seeking a larger foothold here.

Jenson71
04-04-2011, 03:58 PM
Mormons and education:

From its very beginning, the Mormon Church has placed significant emphasis upon education. One result of this has been a standard of educational attainment that is significantly higher than the national average. Table 9.2 summarizes the number of years of school completed for Mormons and for the U.S. population more generally. For both males and females, the percentage of Mormons who have completed post-high school education is significantly higher than is the case for the population as a whole. For Mormon males, 53.5 percent have some post-high school education compared to 36.5 for the U.S. population. For females, the figures are 44.3 for Mormons and 27.7 for the U.S. population generally.

http://rsc.byu.edu/archived/latter-day-saint-social-life-social-research-lds-church-and-its-members/9-secularization-hi

vailpass
04-04-2011, 04:02 PM
Mormons and education:



http://rsc.byu.edu/archived/latter-day-saint-social-life-social-research-lds-church-and-its-members/9-secularization-hi

In the interest of defining terms: I assume you are not including the FLDS in your statements regarding Mormons/LDS?
That would skew your education figures considerably.

Stewie
04-04-2011, 04:04 PM
In the interest of defining terms: I assume you are not including the FLDS in your statements regarding Mormons/LDS?
That would skew your education figures considerably.

What's FLDS? I know RLDS, but have never seen that acronym. I don't follow it closely, though.

ClevelandBronco
04-04-2011, 04:05 PM
I am aware of most of the fundamental disagreements that separate us. I've run into too many mainstream Protestants who are quite condescending and/or bigoted toward LDS members. Some treat them as idiot children, some as Lucifer's henchmen.

vailpass
04-04-2011, 04:05 PM
What's FLDS? I know RLDS, but have never seen that acronym. I don't follow it closely, though.

Fundamentalist LDS. Picture little house on the prairie clothes, hair-do gone wild, and all the sister wives, welfare, foodstamps you can handle.

Brock
04-04-2011, 04:06 PM
Ive known Mormons, worked with them and count many as friends. Anyone who sees them as any different from other christians is uninformed and ignorant.

So they're just another brand of Christianity? Sorry, that's hogwash.

chiefsnorth
04-04-2011, 04:06 PM
Mormons and education:

http://rsc.byu.edu/archived/latter-day-saint-social-life-social-research-lds-church-and-its-members/9-secularization-hi

It probably is a secondary effect. I'm guessing this is a very cohesive group consisting of traditional families, and there are very few broken homes.

The same statistical advantage would apply in wider society to kids who grow up with advantages like two responsible parents in the home going for them.

vailpass
04-04-2011, 04:07 PM
I am aware of most of the fundamental disagreements that separate us. I've run into too many mainstream Protestants who are quite condescending and/or bigoted toward LDS members. Some treat them as children, some as Lucifer's henchmen.

Mormon's views toward us non-mormon's are more closely veiled but every bit as disdainful. Particularly for those of the non-caucasian persuasion.
But they keep a very well stocked larder.

ClevelandBronco
04-04-2011, 04:09 PM
Mormon's views toward us non-mormon's are more closely veiled but every bit as disdainful. Particularly for those of the non-caucasian persuasion.

Perhaps that's true. I have no reason to doubt you. Their attitudes don't determine mine.

AustinChief
04-04-2011, 04:09 PM
Ive known Mormons, worked with them and count many as friends. Anyone who sees them as any different from other christians is uninformed and ignorant.

Dude, their religion at its core is very different from mainstream Christianity ... it's downright kooky...

That said, I have yet to meet a Mormon that I didn't like as a human being.

ClevelandBronco
04-04-2011, 04:10 PM
But they keep a very well stocked larder.

I usually take my coffee black. Is that one strike or two?

vailpass
04-04-2011, 04:10 PM
Perhaps that's true. I have no reason to doubt you. Their attitudes don't determine mine.

Absolutely.

vailpass
04-04-2011, 04:11 PM
I usually take my coffee black. Is that one strike or two?

LMAO

vailpass
04-04-2011, 04:11 PM
Dude, their religion at its core is very different from mainstream Christianity ... it's downright kooky...

That said, I have yet to meet a Mormon that I didn't like as a human being.

Yes to all of this.

ClevelandBronco
04-04-2011, 04:11 PM
Dude, their religion at its core is very different from mainstream Christianity ... it's downright kooky...

That said, I have yet to meet a Mormon that I didn't like as a human being.

Speaking as a former atheist, I'm here to tell you that we all sound a little kooky.

vailpass
04-04-2011, 04:17 PM
A couple of reasons to have a thread dedicated to Mormons.

1) It's an American original
2) It's growing in size
3) It's growing in importance

At my law school, there is a group of Mormons, many unsurprisingly coming from BYU, that from what I understand, is growing every year. And not only that, but I've heard that these students get their entire tuition paid for by their church, or some fund. And the same goes for med students.

So, are we seeing the Church of Latter Day Saints actively put their next generation into all corners of the country, into places of privilege and power?

They are, with little doubt, some of the nicest people you will run into. Extremely well put together, straight-arrow, dedicated people who won't hesitate to help out. A lot of respect for the Mormon child-raising is due, from my limited perspective.

Let's talk this out.

Search "LDS" groups on LinkedIn.

LiveSteam
04-04-2011, 04:32 PM
I know many retired tool & die makers that are Mormons & are involved in the live-steam hobby.
When it comes to building 8th scale steam locomotives. They are very dedicated,& the work they do is second to none.

orange
04-04-2011, 04:39 PM
No caffeine, no alcohol, etc. ...

My boss (that just left for a new job) was also a Mormon. Great guy and he and his wife are single-handedly trying to build the Mormon population. Their sixth kid is on the way.

Well, when you have no caffeine, no alcohol, etc., what's left?

Hog Farmer
04-04-2011, 05:14 PM
How come CP is mostly made up of Morons.

VAChief
04-04-2011, 05:18 PM
Dude, their religion at its core is very different from mainstream Christianity ... it's downright kooky...

That said, I have yet to meet a Mormon that I didn't like as a human being.

The Book of Mormon has about as much in common with the Bible as The Quran or The Torah.

mlyonsd
04-04-2011, 05:43 PM
Well, when you have no caffeine, no alcohol, etc., what's left?

Viagra and 5 wives.

Although in itself multiple wives is a crazy thing just by itself.

I can't imagine what Valentine's Day is like.

ClevelandBronco
04-04-2011, 05:54 PM
The Book of Mormon has about as much in common with the Bible as The Quran or The Torah.

Unless I'm misreading the intent of your observation, it should be said that the Torah is contained in the Bible. BTW: This is a whisper.

orange
04-04-2011, 06:05 PM
Viagra and 5 wives.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2009/02/28/big_love_rt_kde0lbnc_500.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_uy5T7xRJ8T8/SGbLKQnw3CI/AAAAAAAAAT8/CpzjUv1Wgkw/s1600/viagra_logo.gif

ClevelandBronco
04-04-2011, 06:06 PM
http://donvuitton.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Charlie-Sheen-Goddesses.png

ChiefaRoo
04-04-2011, 07:35 PM
Dude, their religion at its core is very different from mainstream Christianity ... it's downright kooky...

That said, I have yet to meet a Mormon that I didn't like as a human being.

Wife left her Mormon roots long ago. Kooky is a good word for it.

AustinChief
04-05-2011, 04:24 AM
The Book of Mormon has about as much in common with the Bible as The Quran or The Torah.

There is a lot more to the Mormon religion than what is read in the book of Mormon.. and even if there weren't.. you are MAYBE right abut the Quran.. which I think is to be a piece shit tribal Arab book of conquest... but you are wrong on the Torah.

The Quran is such a bigoted and violent book that it makes the Old Testament look civilized and even tempered.. and that is saying a lot...

AND.. if one has read the Quran and thinks otherwise.. they are either an apologist or partisan to the point of ignorance... or possibly simply retarded.

This is not a slight on MORMONS themselves.. as I have said.. I have YET to meet one who wasn't a QUALITY human...I'm just saying the religion itself is just kooky as all hell...

patteeu
04-05-2011, 06:08 AM
Speaking as a former atheist, I'm here to tell you that we all sound a little kooky.

LMAO

patteeu
04-05-2011, 06:16 AM
They are, with little doubt, some of the nicest people you will run into. Extremely well put together, straight-arrow, dedicated people who won't hesitate to help out. A lot of respect for the Mormon child-raising is due, from my limited perspective.

Let's talk this out.

I've had the same experience with the Mormons I've met during my life. I got to know a group of BYU-graduate Mormons when I was in school too. I also worked for several years with a Mormon. They were all intelligent, friendly, honorable, hard-working, and determined to succeed. I don't know anything about their religious beliefs, but I'm pretty pro-Mormon based on my acquaintances.

NewChief
04-05-2011, 06:53 AM
Just to corroborate the OP, there also seems to be a push among the Mormon church to become more culturally relevant and current. Lots of the Mormon students I deal with have moved beyond the squeaky clean, choir boy/nerdy cliche. I've got Mormon students who are in hardcore bands, listen to indy music, and basically look like a bunch of scenesters.

There's also something of a burgeoning film movement among the LDS church with some mainstream overlap (Aaron Eckhart).

Baby Lee
04-05-2011, 07:29 AM
Just to corroborate the OP, there also seems to be a push among the Mormon church to become more culturally relevant and current. Lots of the Mormon students I deal with have moved beyond the squeaky clean, choir boy/nerdy cliche. I've got Mormon students who are in hardcore bands, listen to indy music, and basically look like a bunch of scenesters.

There's also something of a burgeoning film movement among the LDS church with some mainstream overlap (Aaron Eckhart).

Amy Adams, AJ Cook, Eliza Dushku and Katherine Heigl. Mmmmmm.

NewChief
04-05-2011, 07:39 AM
Amy Adams, AJ Cook, Eliza Dushku and Katherine Heigl. Mmmmmm.

.... Baby Lee....

patteeu
04-05-2011, 07:55 AM
Just to corroborate the OP, there also seems to be a push among the Mormon church to become more culturally relevant and current. Lots of the Mormon students I deal with have moved beyond the squeaky clean, choir boy/nerdy cliche. I've got Mormon students who are in hardcore bands, listen to indy music, and basically look like a bunch of scenesters.

There's also something of a burgeoning film movement among the LDS church with some mainstream overlap (Aaron Eckhart).

Twilight!

Baby Lee
04-05-2011, 08:02 AM
.... Baby Lee....

Not to date. Apparently, I am part of an amorphous conglomeration purged of creed or dogma, but we'll soon have 'enduring principles' if we can 'achieve consensus' on what they are.

VAChief
04-05-2011, 08:31 AM
There is a lot more to the Mormon religion than what is read in the book of Mormon.. and even if there weren't.. you are MAYBE right abut the Quran.. which I think is to be a piece shit tribal Arab book of conquest... but you are wrong on the Torah.

The Quran is such a bigoted and violent book that it makes the Old Testament look civilized and even tempered.. and that is saying a lot...

AND.. if one has read the Quran and thinks otherwise.. they are either an apologist or partisan to the point of ignorance... or possibly simply retarded.

This is not a slight on MORMONS themselves.. as I have said.. I have YET to meet one who wasn't a QUALITY human...I'm just saying the religion itself is just kooky as all hell...

I wasn't very clear initially. I was just responding to the earlier comment Anyone who sees them as any different from other Christians is uninformed and ignorant.. It wasn't meant as a slight, just stating that there are huge differences between core beliefs of Mormons and Christians (as there are between Jews, Muslims and Christians, even though they share some common beliefs).

The Torah and the Old Testament are connected, but Jews reject the New Testament which is the core of Christian beliefs. Muslims believe Jesus lived and was a great prophet but from there... huge differences begin. Mormons believe Jesus is the Son of God, but believe that Joseph Smith was the modern day prophet who translated Golden Tablets (The Book of Mormon) given to him by God around 1830.

Chiefshrink
04-05-2011, 08:32 AM
Dude, their religion at its core is very different from mainstream Christianity ... it's downright kooky...

That said, I have yet to meet a Mormon that I didn't like as a human being.

BINGO!!:thumb:

On the surface they seem just the same as Christians to the 'Secular eye' on the street but the kookiness you talk about, here are just a few that are 'never never' talked about on the surface until you have been adequately brainwashed over time.

1. Jesus and Satan are brothers
2. The man has superior standing over a woman
3. The more kids you have the more blessed you are on "your planet" in heaven.
4. Yes, I said 'your planet'.
5. The man eventually becomes God

Mormonism and it's bizarre beliefs almost rival Church of Scientology IMO but just far more polished.

Both are extremely dependent upon 'secrecy' and 'shakedown' at every turn.

patteeu
04-05-2011, 08:36 AM
BINGO!!:thumb:

On the surface they seem just the same as Christians to the 'Secular eye' on the street but the kookiness you talk about, here are just a few that are 'never never' talked about on the surface until you have been adequately brainwashed over time.

1. Jesus and Satan are brothers
2. The man has superior standing over a woman
3. The more kids you have the more blessed you are on "your planet" in heaven.
4. Yes, I said 'your planet'.
5. The man eventually becomes God

Mormonism and it's bizarre beliefs almost rival Church of Scientology IMO but just far more polished.

Both are extremely dependent upon 'secrecy' and 'shakedown' at every turn.

What's so kooky about those? Especially #2.

VAChief
04-05-2011, 08:43 AM
BINGO!!:thumb:

On the surface they seem just the same as Christians to the 'Secular eye' on the street but the kookiness you talk about, here are just a few that are 'never never' talked about on the surface until you have been adequately brainwashed over time.

1. Jesus and Satan are brothers
2. The man has superior standing over a woman
3. The more kids you have the more blessed you are on "your planet" in heaven.
4. Yes, I said 'your planet'.
5. The man eventually becomes God

Mormonism and it's bizarre beliefs almost rival Church of Scientology IMO but just far more polished.

Both are extremely dependent upon 'secrecy' and 'shakedown' at every turn.

They are bizarre beliefs to traditional Christian thought. I suspect to a non-believer they probably don't seem much different. That said, I too think there are probably more similarities to Scientology, except I suspect Joseph Smith really believed, while L. Ron himself commented the best way to become rich was to "invent" a religion. Also, Scientology "requires" money from you which is different than saying God expects you to tithe.

VAChief
04-05-2011, 08:48 AM
I've had the same experience with the Mormons I've met during my life. I got to know a group of BYU-graduate Mormons when I was in school too. I also worked for several years with a Mormon. They were all intelligent, friendly, honorable, hard-working, and determined to succeed. I don't know anything about their religious beliefs, but I'm pretty pro-Mormon based on my acquaintances.

As CB put it so well, everything to a non-believer sounds kooky, doesn't mean they aren't fine, upstanding citizens.

Jaric
04-05-2011, 08:50 AM
BINGO!!:thumb:

On the surface they seem just the same as Christians to the 'Secular eye' on the street but the kookiness you talk about, here are just a few that are 'never never' talked about on the surface until you have been adequately brainwashed over time.

1. Jesus and Satan are brothers
2. The man has superior standing over a woman
3. The more kids you have the more blessed you are on "your planet" in heaven.
4. Yes, I said 'your planet'.
5. The man eventually becomes God

Mormonism and it's bizarre beliefs almost rival Church of Scientology IMO but just far more polished.

Both are extremely dependent upon 'secrecy' and 'shakedown' at every turn.

Man that is weird. Next thing you know they'll be telling us some guy walked on water, feed an entire village with a loaf of bread and fish and rose from the dead!

Jenson71
04-05-2011, 09:33 AM
Funny story I'll share with all of you. In Civ Pro yesterday we were reading a case authored by Souter where he determined that patent disputes are best dealt with by a judge, not a jury, because judges are better trained in textual analysis.

He used the word "exegesis" and our professor called on a young lady about what that term was.

"Ex-Jesus?" she asked, to all our amusement. "Yes," he replied, "so what would exegesis do here, Ms. ___? He might use a dictionary."

Jaric
04-05-2011, 09:34 AM
Funny story I'll share with all of you. In Civ Pro yesterday we were reading a case authored by Souter where he determined that patent disputes are best dealt with by a judge, not a jury, because judges are better trained in textual analysis.

He used the word "exegesis" and our professor called on a young lady about what that term was.

"Ex-Jesus?" she asked, to all our amusement. "Yes," he replied, "so what would exegesis do here, Ms. ___? He might use a dictionary."

WWEJD?

vailpass
04-05-2011, 09:35 AM
Man that is weird. Next thing you know they'll be telling us some guy walked on water, feed an entire village with a loaf of bread and fish and rose from the dead!

No matter how many times someone comes out with this exact type of reply on this board it is still as funny as the first time.
Really. And clever too, awfully clever.

vailpass
04-05-2011, 09:35 AM
Funny story I'll share with all of you. In Civ Pro yesterday we were reading a case authored by Souter where he determined that patent disputes are best dealt with by a judge, not a jury, because judges are better trained in textual analysis.

He used the word "exegesis" and our professor called on a young lady about what that term was.

"Ex-Jesus?" she asked, to all our amusement. "Yes," he replied, "so what would exegesis do here, Ms. ___? He might use a dictionary."

1Ls are funny.

Baby Lee
04-05-2011, 09:41 AM
BINGO!!:thumb:

On the surface they seem just the same as Christians to the 'Secular eye' on the street but the kookiness you talk about, here are just a few that are 'never never' talked about on the surface until you have been adequately brainwashed over time.

1. Jesus and Satan are brothers
2. The man has superior standing over a woman
3. The more kids you have the more blessed you are on "your planet" in heaven.
4. Yes, I said 'your planet'.
5. The man eventually becomes God

Mormonism and it's bizarre beliefs almost rival Church of Scientology IMO but just far more polished.

Both are extremely dependent upon 'secrecy' and 'shakedown' at every turn.

I am suspicious of the 'secret' beliefs that 'prove' how kooky a religion is, only they'll never tell you about them. At worst it's a libel, at best it is the remainder of some fundamentalist outshoot dogma. Kind of like saying all Baptists are secretly taught Fred Phelps' POV.

I can only speak from the POV of what my sect 'used to' be, but we were never taught Satan and Jesus were brothers. God, Jesus and The Holy Spirit are Truine. Satan was in the chorus of angels until he decided that his discernment was equal to Gods and cleaved himself and a portion of the chorus from God.

Mormon's do believe in eternal marriage, as well as the reunion of family in eternity. Best I can tell from the outside, the 'planet' thing is a ham-fisted conception of an eternal place of residence and community. Snarking 'yes I said 'your planet'' is analogous to snarking 'yes I said when you die you go to outer space' regarding Christianity. I mean think logistically, if you literally believe that 1) the patriarch get's 'his own planet' and 2) all of his children are reunited with him there. Then all of his grown male children have THEIR own planets too, where they'd be living/existing, while simultaneously eternally reunited with their parents, grandparents, GGP, children, grandchildren, etc. who each have THEIR own planets, too. The important point they're stressing is the eternity of family in an identifiable space of community.

Jenson71
04-05-2011, 09:53 AM
Maybe we have multiple selves that co-exist in eternity. One for our immediate family planet, one for our father's immediate family planet, one (or more) for our childrens' immediate family planet.

FishingRod
04-05-2011, 10:50 AM
I had a childhood friend that was a Mormon. He and his family were nice people. I also had a Lady that lived across the street from me who was nice as she could be, but had no use for them at all. I asked her why and she had lived in Utah for a while and she said they treated her girls like dirt because they were not Mormon. So I guess they are like many groups where when in the minority people act a little better and when in the majority less effort is put forth to be accommodating to those different than ourselves.

ChiefaRoo
04-05-2011, 10:50 AM
You guys should hear about the rituals for getting married in the Temple. Holy crap.

ClevelandBronco
04-05-2011, 11:01 AM
You guys should hear about the rituals for getting married in the Temple. Holy crap.

The current rituals sound pretty tame. The ones they've by and large done away with were more intriguing.

vailpass
04-05-2011, 11:05 AM
Maybe we have multiple selves that co-exist in eternity. One for our immediate family planet, one for our father's immediate family planet, one (or more) for our childrens' immediate family planet.

Can these planets be connected by a rainbow bridge?

MOhillbilly
04-05-2011, 11:10 AM
i kinda hate this thread.

vailpass
04-05-2011, 11:12 AM
i kinda hate this thread.

You got no big love for this subject?

orange
04-05-2011, 11:18 AM
i kinda hate this thread.

You got no big love for this subject?

I'm a little disappointed, too. I thought the thread was going to be about the play.

MOhillbilly
04-05-2011, 11:19 AM
You got no big love for this subject?

I watched an episode of BL in Fl. I asked mom if she had told Grandmother about the show.

Hell NO! Was her response.;)

Not mormon, but one of the offshoots.

Personally cant make the leap of faith. Cant get past the story on how the church was founded.

Baby Lee
04-05-2011, 11:30 AM
I'm a little disappointed, too. I thought the thread was going to be about the play.

I really want a movie made. I've heard nothing but raves from all walks of life.

vailpass
04-05-2011, 12:29 PM
I watched an episode of BL in Fl. I asked mom if she had told Grandmother about the show.

Hell NO! Was her response.;)

Not mormon, but one of the offshoots.

Personally cant make the leap of faith. Cant get past the story on how the church was founded.

With you 100%

vailpass
04-05-2011, 12:30 PM
I'm a little disappointed, too. I thought the thread was going to be about the play.

What play?

Baby Lee
04-05-2011, 12:34 PM
What play?
Parker and Stone's 'The Book of Mormon' on Broadway now.

http://newyork.metromix.com/events/article/review-the-book-of/2543435/content

Huffmeister
04-05-2011, 12:36 PM
I've always found it fascinating that the state of Missouri literally declared war against the Mormons back in 1838. If you're not familiar with it, check out Missouri Executive Order 44 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Executive_Order_44):
The Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the state if necessary for the public peace--their outrages are beyond all description. If you can increase your force, you are authorized to do so to any extent you may consider necessary. I have just issued orders to Maj. Gen. Willock, of Marion county, to raise five hundred men, and to march them to the northern part of Daviess, and there unite with Gen. Doniphan, of Clay, who has been ordered with five hundred men to proceed to the same point for the purpose of intercepting the retreat of the Mormons to the north.

orange
04-05-2011, 12:37 PM
What play?

The Book of Mormon

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef0147e37363d6970b-500wi

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/culturemonster/2011/03/the-book-of-mormon-on-broadway-what-did-the-critics-think.html

By the creators of South Park

vailpass
04-05-2011, 12:40 PM
Parker and Stone's 'The Book of Mormon' on Broadway now.

http://newyork.metromix.com/events/article/review-the-book-of/2543435/content


The Book of Mormon

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef0147e37363d6970b-500wi

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/culturemonster/2011/03/the-book-of-mormon-on-broadway-what-did-the-critics-think.html

By the creators of South Park

Thanks. I'd very much like to see that production.

Hasa Diga, Eebowai LMAO

nstygma
04-07-2011, 01:40 AM
I can only speak from the POV of what my sect 'used to' be, but we were never taught Satan and Jesus were brothers. God, Jesus and The Holy Spirit are Truine.did your group transition because you're searching for truth? Another Mormon uniqueness, when they speak of triune they mean 3 separate Gods, while the Bible teaches One.

Baby Lee
04-07-2011, 04:18 AM
did your group transition because you're searching for truth? Another Mormon uniqueness, when they speak of triune they mean 3 separate Gods, while the Bible teaches One.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

ClevelandBronco
04-07-2011, 10:41 AM
http://www.religioustolerance.org/ldsbeli2.htm

The nature of deity: The Mormon faith is polygamous. It believes that our world has three separate deities: God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. Current LDS teaching is that the Godhead is a team of three consisting of:
• God and Christ, who are separate deities of flesh and bone. Joseph Smith described a visitation from God and Jesus Christ whose bodies were separate and in human form.
• The Holy Ghost (a.k.a. Holy Spirit) is a Spirit Personage, and not of flesh and bone. The Holy Ghost prompts most humans to act morally. The only exceptions are those who are hopelessly degenerate.
• The Book of Mormon refers to: "Christ the Son, God the Father and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God" (Alma 11:44). Mormons interpret this passage and various references in the Bible as referring to the three deities being one in purpose and perfection.
• Joseph Smith taught that Jesus would return to earth near Independence, MO and establish his millennial kingdom.

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Joseph Smith's Articles of Faith:

1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
3. We believe that through the atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
11. We claim the privilege of worshipping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul--We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

BucEyedPea
04-07-2011, 11:51 AM
I really like and have a lot of respect for Mormons. They have good heads on their shoulders. They're certainly not parasites. What's not to like about that?

KC native
04-07-2011, 12:16 PM
Meh, the're just another group that belives in the same imaginary man in the sky as just about everyone else.

vailpass
04-07-2011, 12:16 PM
Meh, the're just another group that belives in the same imaginary man in the sky as just about everyone else.

Except this group doesn't want you or yours anywhere near them.

ClevelandBronco
04-07-2011, 12:17 PM
Meh, the're just another group that belives in the same imaginary man in the sky as just about everyone else.

Men.

KC native
04-07-2011, 12:18 PM
Except this group doesn't want you or yours anywhere near them.

So. They can have utah. Worthless state anyway.

vailpass
04-07-2011, 12:20 PM
So. They can have utah. Worthless state anyway.

With the exception of the ski areas I pretty much agree. Bryce and Zion are okay but after a few minutes its lke "okay, nice rocks. Let's go".

BucEyedPea
04-07-2011, 01:39 PM
Jesus weeps.
Buddha sobs.
Allah grieves.
Smith laughs.

orange
04-07-2011, 03:08 PM
Jesus weeps.
Buddha sobs.
Allah grieves.
Smith laughs.

Hubbard rings it up. Do you want a pie with that?

sportsman1
04-07-2011, 10:28 PM
Mormon checking in. Converted and must say haven't been happier. My now wife showed me the church and I was intrigued from day one. Great spirt at church, and the Book of Mormon at first was just facsinating, but as I read it was a real life changer. Were actually moving to either Utah or Idaho in June lol.

Chiefshrink
04-07-2011, 11:50 PM
Man that is weird. Next thing you know they'll be telling us some guy walked on water, feed an entire village with a loaf of bread and fish and rose from the dead!

Nah,they already believe that:thumb:

Chiefshrink
04-07-2011, 11:53 PM
What's so kooky about those? Especially #2.

ROFL

Chiefshrink
04-08-2011, 12:00 AM
I am suspicious of the 'secret' beliefs that 'prove' how kooky a religion is, only they'll never tell you about them. At worst it's a libel, at best it is the remainder of some fundamentalist outshoot dogma. Kind of like saying all Baptists are secretly taught Fred Phelps' POV.

I can only speak from the POV of what my sect 'used to' be, but we were never taught Satan and Jesus were brothers. God, Jesus and The Holy Spirit are Truine. Satan was in the chorus of angels until he decided that his discernment was equal to Gods and cleaved himself and a portion of the chorus from God.

Mormon's do believe in eternal marriage, as well as the reunion of family in eternity. Best I can tell from the outside, the 'planet' thing is a ham-fisted conception of an eternal place of residence and community. Snarking 'yes I said 'your planet'' is analogous to snarking 'yes I said when you die you go to outer space' regarding Christianity. I mean think logistically, if you literally believe that 1) the patriarch get's 'his own planet' and 2) all of his children are reunited with him there. Then all of his grown male children have THEIR own planets too, where they'd be living/existing, while simultaneously eternally reunited with their parents, grandparents, GGP, children, grandchildren, etc. who each have THEIR own planets, too. The important point they're stressing is the eternity of family in an identifiable space of community.

Understood. But with all due respect, early in my career I took a therapist job in Idaho and counseled many "jack mormons"(those that came from Mormon families but did not practice the faith) and learned quite a bit. :thumb:

All I can say is very normal on the outside but the deeper you go into the religion the more bizarre it gets. :shake:

BucEyedPea
04-08-2011, 12:18 AM
Hubbard rings it up. Do you want a pie with that?

:LOL:

BucEyedPea
04-08-2011, 12:20 AM
Understood. But with all due respect, early in my career I took a therapist job in Idaho and counseled many "jack mormons"(those that came from Mormon families but did not practice the faith) and learned quite a bit. :thumb:

All I can say is very normal on the outside but the deeper you go into the religion the more bizarre it gets. :shake:

I wonder if that could be said for any religion....or person? Just thinkin' out loud.

Chiefshrink
04-08-2011, 08:11 AM
I wonder if that could be said for any religion....or person? Just thinkin' out loud.

Not when you compare apples to apples only to come to the conclusion that some apples are actually oranges. Just sayin:thumb:

Dave Lane
04-08-2011, 08:41 AM
So The "normal sects" of Christianity that believe:

In talking snakes
That Noah gathered all the animals from America and from all over the world including 357,000 species of beetles on one boat
The the world flooded to the depth of 20,000 feet worldwide. Where did the water come from / go?
That Dead people hundreds of years old rose from the dead and walked around Jerusalem and no one bothered to write anything down
That there were whales in the Mediterranean and that people lived in their bellies
That demons can be cast into pigs
That rivers turn to blood
That God sends angels to kill children
Virgin Births
Stars following around people
A man who is gods personal messenger on earth telling people how to live.

These are just some of of the craziness of the original canon. Because you heard all these stories as a child and grew up with them they all seem normal to you. The Mormons just had to step it up a bit because all the good crazy was already picked over. If you hadn't grown up with the crazy stories above you would think they are totally insane and everyone that believed them was nuts.

vailpass
04-08-2011, 11:23 AM
Mormon checking in. Converted and must say haven't been happier. My now wife showed me the church and I was intrigued from day one. Great spirt at church, and the Book of Mormon at first was just facsinating, but as I read it was a real life changer. Were actually moving to either Utah or Idaho in June lol.

You have fun with that.

ClevelandBronco
04-08-2011, 12:14 PM
So The "normal sects" of Christianity that believe:

In talking snakes
That Noah gathered all the animals from America and from all over the world including 357,000 species of beetles on one boat
The the world flooded to the depth of 20,000 feet worldwide. Where did the water come from / go?
That Dead people hundreds of years old rose from the dead and walked around Jerusalem and no one bothered to write anything down
That there were whales in the Mediterranean and that people lived in their bellies
That demons can be cast into pigs
That rivers turn to blood
That God sends angels to kill children
Virgin Births
Stars following around people
A man who is gods personal messenger on earth telling people how to live.

These are just some of of the craziness of the original canon. Because you heard all these stories as a child and grew up with them they all seem normal to you. The Mormons just had to step it up a bit because all the good crazy was already picked over. If you hadn't grown up with the crazy stories above you would think they are totally insane and everyone that believed them was nuts.

Actually, I grew up without the crazy stories and argued against them for years more adamantly (and, IMO, more effectively) than you've ever done here.

vailpass
04-08-2011, 12:20 PM
Actually, I grew up without the crazy stories and argued against them for years more adamantly (and, IMO, more effectively) than you've ever done here.

Dear God please don't engage Loon in this type of discussion. Dude was obviously sodomized by a travelling preacher as a child.
Now he is bitter toward all religion.
Not because the preacher sodomized him but because he wouldn't return his calls afterward.

PunkinDrublic
04-08-2011, 01:42 PM
What do they eat? Why do they wear that special underwear? Does caffeine burn their skin?

orange
04-08-2011, 02:28 PM
What do they eat?

Many, many years ago we went to my Mormon aunt and uncle's house for Easter dinner.

me: "What's this red stuff on the mashed potatoes? It's really good."
Aunt: "That's paprika."
Mom: "We'll get some."

KC native
04-08-2011, 03:33 PM
Understood. But with all due respect, early in my career I took a therapist job in Idaho and counseled many "jack mormons"(those that came from Mormon families but did not practice the faith) and learned quite a bit. :thumb:

All I can say is very normal on the outside but the deeper you go into the religion the more bizarre it gets. :shake:

You aren't a therapist nor have you ever been one. Quit lying you fraud.

vailpass
04-08-2011, 03:39 PM
You aren't a therapist nor have you ever been one. Quit lying you fraud.

Says the bankrupt "financial advisor".