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Direckshun
04-04-2011, 06:49 PM
Obama's campaign team is arguing that they will aim to raise a billion dollars for the upcoming campaign.

Just thought you should know.

No reason for public financing, right? It's far more sensible to demand that somebody pull in a billion dollars. That's democracy in all its glory, right?

Right.

ClevelandBronco
04-04-2011, 06:58 PM
It also costs a billion dollars to lose the presidency.

threebag02
04-04-2011, 07:02 PM
The dumb son of a bitches are nothing but corrupt pieces of shit in the first place.

Bewbies
04-04-2011, 07:17 PM
Well, considering $1,000,000,000 public dollars are for damn sure more moral and accountable than $1,000,000,000 private dollars, I think the IRS should steal more money ASAP to fund this!!

blaise
04-04-2011, 07:20 PM
Doesn't bother me. If Obama can raise a billion, then good for him.

Rain Man
04-04-2011, 07:24 PM
Maybe he's going to pay every man, woman, and child $3.33.

chiefsnorth
04-04-2011, 07:26 PM
That's nothing for him, he spends a billion dollars every 3-4 seconds in office.

mlyonsd
04-04-2011, 07:26 PM
Maybe he's going to pay every man, woman, and child $3.33.Or maybe he'll only use half of it, then use the other half to wean Michelle off of government paid trips.

Direckshun
04-04-2011, 08:07 PM
Well, considering $1,000,000,000 public dollars are for damn sure more moral and accountable than $1,000,000,000 private dollars, I think the IRS should steal more money ASAP to fund this!!

I'm not sure you understand public financing, so I'll let you play on the playground until you show that you do.

Bewbies
04-04-2011, 09:47 PM
I'm not sure you understand public financing, so I'll let you play on the playground until you show that you do.

Clearly I don't understand it. Then again, I also don't understand spending 8x the amount of money you bring in.

fan4ever
04-04-2011, 10:36 PM
Imagine how much he'd have to raise if the media/press wasn't already in his back pocket.

Bump
04-04-2011, 11:44 PM
like it fucking matters who the president is, seriously.

Ericgoodchief
04-05-2011, 02:28 AM
Would anyone obey the laws anyways if campaigns were 'only' publicly funded? There would be ridiculous loopholes and gorilla tactics.

ClevelandBronco
04-05-2011, 02:43 AM
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Jaric
04-05-2011, 07:45 AM
Obama's campaign team is arguing that they will aim to raise a billion dollars for the upcoming campaign.

Just thought you should know.

No reason for public financing, right? It's far more sensible to demand that somebody pull in a billion dollars. That's democracy in all its glory, right?

Right.

You realize this is how societies have functioned for thousands of years right?

Money = Power. There is no way around it.

Iowanian
04-05-2011, 09:43 AM
Something is fundamentally wrong with spending $1b to try to get a job for 4yrs that pays a few hundred grand........


That said, It'll be fine by me to watch him waste a billion dollars on another LOSING venture.

ClevelandBronco
04-05-2011, 10:31 AM
The money isn't wasted at all. It's not as though the guy who lights the most dollar bills on fire gets to be president.

It's spent on salaries, and printing, and website development, and video, and sound and lighting equipment rental, and fuel, and automobiles, and all the other shit that gets bought and sold and churned in a massive campaign. It's just economic activity. The money doesn't just disappear.

The bigger problem is who does the president owe from the gathering process.

chiefsnorth
04-05-2011, 10:43 AM
like it ****ing matters who the president is, seriously.

All those people who love saying there's no real difference between parties because the feel like it makes them look high minded and above the fray need to look at Obama's fiscal policy, extend it out 10-20 years to its logical conclusion (Greece), and that myth will be forever dispelled

Brock
04-05-2011, 10:52 AM
All those people who love saying there's no real difference between parties because the feel like it makes them look high minded and above the fray need to look at Obama's fiscal policy, extend it out 10-20 years to its logical conclusion (Greece), and that myth will be forever dispelled

And that's different from Bush's fiscal policy somehow?

notorious
04-05-2011, 10:55 AM
And that's different from Bush's fiscal policy somehow?

I see no difference.


That is why it is time to flush the toilet.

Jenson71
04-05-2011, 10:55 AM
Something is fundamentally wrong with spending $1b to try to get a job for 4yrs that pays a few hundred grand........

It's for the book deal that comes after the four years.

Direckshun
04-05-2011, 10:57 AM
The money isn't wasted at all. It's not as though the guy who lights the most dollar bills on fire gets to be president.

It's spent on salaries, and printing, and website development, and video, and sound and lighting equipment rental, and fuel, and automobiles, and all the other shit that gets bought and sold and churned in a massive campaign. It's just economic activity. The money doesn't just disappear.

The bigger problem is who does the president owe from the gathering process.

I desperately hope that you understand that's my entire point.

Direckshun
04-05-2011, 10:59 AM
You realize this is how societies have functioned for thousands of years right?

Money = Power. There is no way around it.

Is this an argument? Or a point? Or did you pull this out of a fortune cookie?

ClevelandBronco
04-05-2011, 11:00 AM
I desperately hope that you understand that's my entire point.

Absolutely.

I guess I should have quoted the post above mine that talked specifically about the money being wasted.

Direckshun
04-05-2011, 11:00 AM
Would anyone obey the laws anyways if campaigns were 'only' publicly funded? There would be ridiculous loopholes and gorilla tactics.

My understanding is that the current financing system has its own loopholes.

If campaigns are going to cheat to get around the rules, my suggestion would be for the rules to keep them as far away from the tomfoolery as possible.

notorious
04-05-2011, 11:03 AM
My understanding is that the current financing system has its own loopholes.

If campaigns are going to cheat to get around the rules, my suggestion would be for the rules to keep them as far away from the tomfoolery as possible.

Axe all Labor Union Contributions and Corporate Contributions and you have got a deal.

Direckshun
04-05-2011, 11:27 AM
Axe all Labor Union Contributions and Corporate Contributions and you have got a deal.

That's not going to solve the problem.

It's a half-assed start, though.

Jaric
04-05-2011, 01:45 PM
Is this an argument? Or a point? Or did you pull this out of a fortune cookie?

Magic 8 ball actually.

Jaric
04-05-2011, 01:47 PM
I desperately hope that you understand that's my entire point.

Would it make you feel better if they only paid half a billion to buy his favor?

Quarter of a billion?

Hundred million or so?

chiefsnorth
04-05-2011, 03:18 PM
And that's different from Bush's fiscal policy somehow?

In the same way as owing $10,000 on a credit card is the same as owing $100,000 - yes, they'd be exactly the same.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 03:47 PM
like it fucking matters who the president is, seriously.

this

Brock
04-05-2011, 03:47 PM
In the same way as owing $10,000 on a credit card is the same as owing $100,000 - yes, they'd be exactly the same.

LOL idealogue nonsense.

Chocolate Hog
04-05-2011, 03:59 PM
Of course it will cost a billion dollars with the inflation Obama has caused.

KC native
04-05-2011, 04:26 PM
Yet another illustration of what is wrong with politics in our country. Publicly financed campaigns need to happen ASAP.

ROYC75
04-05-2011, 04:33 PM
Obama's campaign team is arguing that they will aim to raise a billion dollars for the upcoming campaign.

Just thought you should know.

No reason for public financing, right? It's far more sensible to demand that somebody pull in a billion dollars. That's democracy in all its glory, right?

Right.

You mean do crooks do like to call their own shots at other peoples expense, right?

HonestChieffan
04-05-2011, 06:02 PM
Public finance how? Tax dollars?

Direckshun
04-05-2011, 10:27 PM
Would it make you feel better if they only paid half a billion to buy his favor?

Quarter of a billion?

Hundred million or so?

It would make me feel better if anybody could run for President, and win on the strength of their message and/or ideas, not how much money they can raise.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 10:34 PM
It would make me feel better if anybody could run for President, and win on the strength of their message and/or ideas, not how much money they can raise.

It will never happen, would be nice though. How is it that out of all of the millions of people in the country we only get to pick from a handful of candidates. Makes no sense

Direckshun
04-05-2011, 11:10 PM
Yeah, I don't need a million candidates. And at the end of the day, our winner-take-all system (as opposed to a proportional system) is only going to allow two parties to succeed, but I'd like ideas to rule the day, not money.

Especially in primaries.

Jaric
04-06-2011, 08:04 AM
It would make me feel better if anybody could run for President, and win on the strength of their message and/or ideas, not how much money they can raise.

Listen, I don't want to be mean here, but that's never going to happen.

LiveSteam
04-06-2011, 08:30 AM
It will never happen, would be nice though. How is it that out of all of the millions of people in the country we only get to pick from a handful of candidates. Makes no sense

If I hit the lotto tonight. I will run for president.
Bugeater needs your vote.
Now get off my lawn!

ROYC75
04-06-2011, 10:14 AM
It would make me feel better if anybody could run for President, and win on the strength of their message and/or ideas, not how much money they can raise.

What happen to Obama's 400 + promises of HOPE and CHANGE ?