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durtyrute
04-05-2011, 01:45 PM
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/amidst-growing-world-doubts-about-911-career-army-officer-takes-bush-administration-officials-to-court-april-5th-represented-by-the-center-for-911-justice-118495499.html

NEW YORK, March 23, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- A December 2010 poll conducted by the prestigious Emnid Institute, and reported in the German magazine "Welt der Wunder," revealed that 89.5% of German respondents do not believe the official story of 9/11.

The issue is heating up in America as well, and will soon be heard in court.

Top Secret Military Specialist April Gallop saw disturbing things up close that have not been reported in the media.

On the morning of September 11, 2001, she was ordered by her supervisor to go directly to work at the Pentagon, before dropping off her ten-week-old son Elisha at day care.

Amazingly, the infant was given immediate security clearance upon arrival.

The instant Gallop turned on her computer an enormous explosion blew her out of her chair, knocking her momentarily unconscious.

Escaping through the hole reportedly made by Flight 77, she saw no signs of an aircraft – no seats, luggage, metal, or human remains. Her watch (and other clocks nearby) had stopped at 9:30-9:31 a.m., seven minutes before the Pentagon was allegedly struck at 9:38 a.m.

The 9/11 Commission reported that "by no later than 9:18 a.m., FAA centers in Indianapolis, Cleveland, and Washington were aware that Flight 77 was missing and that two aircraft had struck the World Trade Center."

Why then were there no anti-aircraft defenses, Gallop asks, or alarm warnings inside the Pentagon?

Gallop was briefed by officials not to tell her story in public; she also received an email from a Fox News reporter who had been told by the Pentagon not to interview her.

Gallop now believes that officials within the Bush Administration conspired to destroy the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center and WTC 7 – the third building brought down at 5:20 p.m. that day – with pre-placed explosives detonated after the planes hit.

On April 5th, 2011, at 11 a.m., at the Federal Courthouse at 141 Church Street in New Haven, Connecticut, the case of Gallop v. Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Myers will be heard by the United States Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit.

Gallop's case relies on virtually all forms of evidence admissible in court, but significantly, on published scientific evidence that residues of these explosives were found in the rubble after the attacks. In its totality the proffered case establishes that the government hypothesis – that the buildings collapsed due to fire in combination with the airplane impacts – is scientifically untenable.

In addition, Ms. Gallop will, through photographic and other physical evidence, as well as the testimony of a multitude of military and civilian survivors, demonstrate the impossibility of her having lived through the attack on the Pentagon if it had taken place as the government and the defendants claim.

German Federal Judge, Deiter Dieseroth, stated in December 2009 that:

"No independent court has applied legal procedures to review the available evidence on who was responsible for the attacks."

Also, that "it is not acceptable for a constitutional state...to declare war, bomb a foreign country, and place it under military occupation," without first identifying suspects.

Dieseroth also said the U.S. "was under burden of proof" that Osama bin Laden was responsible for the attacks, yet the FBI admits it has no evidence presentable in court to back this up.

The stakes in this case are epic, including the possibility of an overwhelming transformation of the world's understanding of history, not to mention American citizens' relationship with their government.



I've always had my doubts about the so called "truth" that they fed us and finally someone is trying to do something about it.

ClevelandBronco
04-05-2011, 01:49 PM
Give a fuck meter at zero.

mlyonsd
04-05-2011, 02:21 PM
Oh good, this again.

Hydrae
04-05-2011, 02:47 PM
Interesting story she has about her experiences that day. After 10 years though it is a little hard to swallow.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 02:48 PM
Interesting story she has about her experiences that day. After 10 years though it is a little hard to swallow.

Why make it up?

Hydrae
04-05-2011, 02:55 PM
Why make it up?

15 seconds of fame? :shrug:

Radar Chief
04-05-2011, 02:57 PM
Why make it up?

Why wait 10 years?

ClevelandBronco
04-05-2011, 02:59 PM
Tyche is not remote enough a place for the shit that I don't give.

Radar Chief
04-05-2011, 03:00 PM
15 seconds of fame? :shrug:

Truthers have already divvied up that market share. She’s about 8 years late to the game.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 03:01 PM
Why wait 10 years?

I'm sure she was treatened back in the day. It's strange because she's just an ordinary person like the rest of us going up against a corrupt government system, yet she will be the one that is made to look foolish and everyone will believe the government even though everyone knows that they are corrupt. Crazy how things work

blaise
04-05-2011, 03:02 PM
Good luck with that. The Pentagon wasn't allegedly struck, by the way. It was struck.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 03:03 PM
Good luck with that.


Oh i'm sure she'll lose, but I'm just happy someone is doing it.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 03:04 PM
Good luck with that. The Pentagon wasn't allegedly struck, by the way. It was struck.

Did you see the pictures. Can you put up the link with the plane inside the building? I haven't seen them.

Radar Chief
04-05-2011, 03:05 PM
I'm sure she was treatened back in the day. It's strange because she's just an ordinary person like the rest of us going up against a corrupt government system, yet she will be the one that is made to look foolish and everyone will believe the government even though everyone knows that they are corrupt. Crazy how things work

Unless she can actually produce some of this “evidence of explosives found in the rubble” she’s rehashing long ago debunked conspiracy theories.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 03:07 PM
15 seconds of fame? :shrug:

There are a million things you can do to get 15 seconds of fame. Why would you go back ten years and try to take on the government knowing that you'll probably lose, if there wasn't some truth to what you were saying

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 03:10 PM
Unless she can actually produce some of this “evidence of explosives found in the rubble” she’s rehashing long ago debunked conspiracy theories.

Very true, to some people though, that whole thing will never be put to bed until they feel that the "truth" has been heard. I'm sure the families of some of the victims don't give a shit how long it has been, they want the "truth". Or the families of some of the soldiers that may have died because of some government bullshit

blaise
04-05-2011, 03:11 PM
There are a million things you can do to get 15 seconds of fame. Why would you go back ten years and try to take on the government knowing that you'll probably lose, if there wasn't some truth to what you were saying

I don't see how that shows there's "some truth" to what she claims.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 03:13 PM
I don't see how that shows there's "some truth" to what she claims.


I don't know what evidence she has or if she has any at all. I just know even though it has been 10 years she is brave or stupid enough to bring it back up. She must know something.

blaise
04-05-2011, 03:19 PM
I don't know what evidence she has or if she has any at all. I just know even though it has been 10 years she is brave or stupid enough to bring it back up. She must know something.

No, it doesn't mean she must know anything other than what she believes. It could mean she's a conspiracy theorist like any other, except she was in the Pentagon that day. It doesn't really mean she knows more or less than you. Maybe she does, but it doesn't mean she must know something that's been hidden or covered up, or anything that points to the US government causing the explosion.

Hydrae
04-05-2011, 03:21 PM
Good luck with that. The Pentagon wasn't allegedly struck, by the way. It was struck.

Personally I have always wished they would have just released the tapes from one of the private businesses in the area with security footage that could have put this to bed at the time. The fact that they did not gives more credence to people like this lady.

Just for the sake of honesty, I think there are still questions about that day. But unless someone comes up with some new evidence this will just go down in history as a question mark like the JFK assisination.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 03:27 PM
No, it doesn't mean she must know anything other than what she believes. It could mean she's a conspiracy theorist like any other, except she was in the Pentagon that day. It doesn't really mean she knows more or less than you. Maybe it does, but it doesn't mean she must know something that's been hidden or covered up, or anything that points to the US government causing the explosion.


You're right it doesn't mean that she definetly knows something, or has any proof. She feels that what she has to say needs to be heard and that's all it is. Like I said before though, when it gets out more it's too bad people will automatically write her off

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 03:31 PM
Personally I have always wished they would have just released the tapes from one of the private businesses in the area with security footage that could have put this to bed at the time. The fact that they did not gives more credence to people like this lady.

Just for the sake of honesty, I think there are still questions about that day. But unless someone comes up with some new evidence this will just go down in history as a question mark like the JFK assisination.


There are too many unanswered questions surrounding the whole thing, and I will never just take what the news told me and say "it must be true, I saw it on the news" I have always wondered how a plane can fly into the home of defense for our country. You would think there would be some missiles or something there.

chiefsnorth
04-05-2011, 03:32 PM
ROFL

blaise
04-05-2011, 03:46 PM
There are too many unanswered questions surrounding the whole thing, and I will never just take what the news told me and say "it must be true, I saw it on the news" I have always wondered how a plane can fly into the home of defense for our country. You would think there would be some missiles or something there.

There's really not much around the Pentagon in terms of any kind of defense. You could drive right past it, within a couple of hundred yards anyway. I used to drop someone off there. There is a Marine barracks or something sort of nearby over near Rossllyn but I don't think it's much more than a training facility.

Radar Chief
04-05-2011, 03:50 PM
Personally I have always wished they would have just released the tapes from one of the private businesses in the area with security footage that could have put this to bed at the time. The fact that they did not gives more credence to people like this lady.

Just for the sake of honesty, I think there are still questions about that day. But unless someone comes up with some new evidence this will just go down in history as a question mark like the JFK assisination.

We’re talking security cameras. They’re meant to take pictures of people that are fairly close, not a plane several thousand feet away and traveling several hundred MPH. They also aren’t taking video but taking stills every 3-4 seconds to conserve memory space.
If one by chance one of these cameras was the one in a million that caught anything of the plane it’d be an unintelligible blur.
In fact the only security camera video that I know of showing anything is from one of the guard shacks at the Pentagon and about all that can be made out is something big shiny in front of a column of smoke (the plane started smoking after it struck light poles on its way in).

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 03:52 PM
There's really not much around the Pentagon in terms of any kind of defense. You could drive right past it, within a couple of hundred yards anyway. I used to drop someone off there. There is a Marine barracks or something sort of nearby over near Rossllyn but I don't think it's much more than a training facility.

Wow, the Home of Defense doesn't have some sort of weapons system. Seems odd. I understand driving by it and nothing happening, but flying into it. Who would've thought. Did a plane come close to the white house?

trndobrd
04-05-2011, 03:56 PM
Top Secret Military Specialist? WTF is this?

blaise
04-05-2011, 03:57 PM
Wow, the Home of Defense doesn't have some sort of weapons system. Seems odd. I understand driving by it and nothing happening, but flying into it. Who would've thought. Did a plane come close to the white house?

What kind of weapons system would it have?

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 03:58 PM
We’re talking security cameras. They’re meant to take pictures of people that are fairly close, not a plane several thousand feet away and traveling several hundred MPH. They also aren’t taking video but taking stills every 3-4 seconds to conserve memory space.
If one by chance one of these cameras was the one in a million that caught anything of the plane it’d be an unintelligible blur.
In fact the only security camera video that I know of showing anything is from one of the guard shacks at the Pentagon and about all that can be made out is something shiny in front of a column of smoke (the plane started smoking after it struck light poles on its way in).

Seems odd that there was no real proof of any plane being there, not to mention the fact that Building 7 collapsed without being struck by a plane. Not to mention the fact the after being hit by a plane at the very top of the building, the towers fell straight down. There is no way that is even possible. You can't hit something at the very top and make it fall straight down. Sorry, got off on a rant there. I'm just happy she's trying to keep the case open

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 04:00 PM
What kind of weapons system would it have?

Anything missiles, anything. There are places in the middle of fucking no where that have missile silos. The home of defense can't get a fuckin rpg
Plus that doesn't matter, don't you think the home of defense should have some sorta, i dont know, defense.

Radar Chief
04-05-2011, 04:03 PM
Seems odd that there was no real proof of any plane being there, not to mention the fact that Building 7 collapsed without being struck by a plane. Not to mention the fact the after being hit by a plane at the very top of the building, the towers fell straight down. There is no way that is even possible. You can't hit something at the very top and make it fall straight down. Sorry, got off on a rant there. I'm just happy she's trying to keep the case open

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LiveSteam
04-05-2011, 04:15 PM
I'm sure she was treatened back in the day. It's strange because she's just an ordinary person like the rest of us going up against a corrupt government system, yet she will be the one that is made to look foolish and everyone will believe the government even though everyone knows that they are corrupt. Crazy how things work

Crazy is this ^^
dude back to titties full of milk

trndobrd
04-05-2011, 04:15 PM
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If you look closely on the security camera video, off to the right you can clearly see a second shooter.

blaise
04-05-2011, 04:36 PM
Anything missiles, anything. There are places in the middle of ****ing no where that have missile silos. The home of defense can't get a ****in rpg
Plus that doesn't matter, don't you think the home of defense should have some sorta, i dont know, defense.

Missile silos aren't normally meant to defend the actual silo area, I don't think.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-05-2011, 04:40 PM
Anything missiles, anything. There are places in the middle of fucking no where that have missile silos. The home of defense can't get a fuckin rpg
Plus that doesn't matter, don't you think the home of defense should have some sorta, i dont know, defense.

Missile silos are in the middle of nowhere because you can space them out to decrease the risk of loss of life and fratricide should they be struck.

Count Zarth
04-05-2011, 05:04 PM
TOP SECRET MILITARY SPECIALIST!

http://thepentacon.com/images/April.JPG

patteeu
04-05-2011, 05:05 PM
There are a million things you can do to get 15 seconds of fame. Why would you go back ten years and try to take on the government knowing that you'll probably lose, if there wasn't some truth to what you were saying

Because you weren't present at some other attention-grabbing event, but you were at the pentagon on 9-11. She's not going to get much coverage for a run-of-the-mill slip-and-fall at the local grocery store.

patteeu
04-05-2011, 05:11 PM
Seems odd that there was no real proof of any plane being there, not to mention the fact that Building 7 collapsed without being struck by a plane. Not to mention the fact the after being hit by a plane at the very top of the building, the towers fell straight down. There is no way that is even possible. You can't hit something at the very top and make it fall straight down. Sorry, got off on a rant there. I'm just happy she's trying to keep the case open

What do you mean no proof of a plane being there? It's clear you haven't really followed this story. Plane parts were found inside the Pentagon near the smoldering hole in the wall.

CoMoChief
04-05-2011, 05:21 PM
People just need to take a look at what took place after 9/11 and what is going on now.

This is all part of a plan from globalist elites, so we can control the oil in the Middle East.

CoMoChief
04-05-2011, 05:22 PM
What do you mean no proof of a plane being there? It's clear you haven't really followed this story. Plane parts were found inside the Pentagon near the smoldering hole in the wall.

LMAO okay...if you say so...

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 05:55 PM
Missile silos are in the middle of nowhere because you can space them out to decrease the risk of loss of life and fratricide should they be struck.

That's not the point

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 05:55 PM
People just need to take a look at what took place after 9/11 and what is going on now.

This is all part of a plan from globalist elites, so we can control the oil in the Middle East.

:thumb:

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 05:59 PM
What do you mean no proof of a plane being there? It's clear you haven't really followed this story. Plane parts were found inside the Pentagon near the smoldering hole in the wall.


Really please provide link

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 06:01 PM
Missile silos aren't normally meant to defend the actual silo area, I don't think.

Again not the point, it's the HOME OF DEFENSE, can I get a fucking radar system or something. Some kind of alarm, anything.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 06:03 PM
Why are so many people defending the same government that time and time again lie to us. We all know the government is corrupt but on this occasion we believe them instead of our fellow citizens.

blaise
04-05-2011, 06:15 PM
Why are so many people defending the same government that time and time again lie to us. We all know the government is corrupt but on this occasion we believe them instead of our fellow citizens.

It's not so much defending the government as it is not buying into the conspiracy theories of kooks.
See the difference?

patteeu
04-05-2011, 06:19 PM
Really please provide link

Good grief. I can't believe there are still people buying into this nonsense.

Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"

Read more: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories - Debunking the Myths - Pentagon - Popular Mechanics (http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-pentagon#flight77debris)

And also: Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.asp)

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 06:22 PM
It's not so much defending the government as it is not buying into the conspiracy theories of kooks.
See the difference?

It's either believe the gov or the others. If you believe the gov and call the others "kooks" then you are defending the gov. Why would anybody believe the government about anything they lie all the time.

Brock
04-05-2011, 06:24 PM
Yay, another 9/11 truther tard. We really needed another one.

patteeu
04-05-2011, 06:24 PM
It's either believe the gov or the others. If you believe the gov and call the others "kooks" then you are defending the gov. Why would anybody believe the government about anything they lie all the time.

Taxes aren't due this year until November. I know the Government is saying April 18, but who are you going to believe, those liars or some guy on the internet?

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 06:30 PM
What's with the name calling? I'm going against the people that fuck us over time and time agan, you guys are making it personal.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 06:33 PM
Taxes aren't due this year until November. I know the Government is saying April 18, but who are you going to believe, those liars or some guy on the internet?

15th? and that analogy is not good. Whats up with the gov love. What do I have to gain from this, now ask what do they have to gain

trndobrd
04-05-2011, 06:41 PM
15th? and that analogy is not good. Whats up with the gov love. What do I have to gain from this, now ask what do they have to gain


I dunno. An Army Specialist has now become "A career Army Officer". Seems like a good career move.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 06:45 PM
I dunno. An Army Specialist has now become "A career Army Officer". Seems like a good career move.

Yea, "just keep quiet and we'll take care of you" wink wink

chris
04-05-2011, 07:05 PM
Yea, "just keep quiet and we'll take care of you" wink wink

You must also believe that Elvis was an alien sent among us to introduce humans to alien music.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 07:08 PM
You must also believe that Elvis was an alien sent among us to introduce humans to alien music.

This is what i'm talking about. It proves my point. All I want is to Find out wat really happened, and in the process I get made fun of. Again what do /i have to gain from asking questions?

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 07:09 PM
We get called kooks,but we deal with facts and others make jokes. Funny

trndobrd
04-05-2011, 07:12 PM
Yea, "just keep quiet and we'll take care of you" wink wink

I was refering to April Gallop. She was not, as your article indicates, "A career Army Officer."

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 07:15 PM
I was refering to April Gallop. She was not, as your article indicates, "A career Army Officer."

I see, but what does that have to do with anything?

Brock
04-05-2011, 07:15 PM
We get called kooks,but we deal with facts and others make jokes. Funny

You have stated no facts. In fact, the things you keep calling facts have been shot down and debunked many many times. You are just another truther, there have been many here before you. You are not unique, and you are bringing nothing new to the table here.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 07:22 PM
You have stated no facts. In fact, the things you keep calling facts have been shot down and debunked many many times. You are just another truther, there have been many here before you. You are not unique, and you are bringing nothing new to the table here.

Fact: there were two planes but three buildings went down. And another fact: the hole in the pentagon was half of the size of the planes wings.

Brock
04-05-2011, 07:24 PM
Fact: there were two planes but three buildings went down. And another fact: the hole in the pentagon was half of the size of the planes wings.

Fact: all of those things have been explained ad nauseum, but dummies who don't really understand science just ignore it, as you are doing.

notorious
04-05-2011, 07:25 PM
There wouldn't be much left of an Airliner traveling 500 kts after it hits a re-enforced building.

Radar Chief
04-05-2011, 07:25 PM
I see, but what does that have to do with anything?

See, here's the problem. You're running off at the mouth about shit you obviously don't know. You don't even know the difference between enlisted and an officer. Never mind that one cannot make a "carreer" out of being an E-4.

trndobrd
04-05-2011, 07:25 PM
I see, but what does that have to do with anything?


Sorry...I thought you were all about 'Facts'

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 07:26 PM
Maybe in some alternate universe I could possibly believe that our government, who love us so much, were telling the complete truth. Maybe, but you guys say that there is no way absolutely no way that there is any other probably outcome than what the news told you

Jerm
04-05-2011, 07:27 PM
The only kooks here are those who believe Hani Hanjour actually pulled off what he was reported to have done.

THAT is beyond fucking laughable.

Radar Chief
04-05-2011, 07:27 PM
Fact: there were two planes but three buildings went down. And another fact: the hole in the pentagon was half of the size of the planes wings.

Are you under the mistaken impression a plane would leave a cartoon cutout in a steel reinforced cement wall?

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 07:29 PM
Fact: all of those things have been explained ad nauseum, but dummies who don't really understand science just ignore it, as you are doing.

See here we go again, now I'm a dummy. Three Building two planes. Come on.

Brock
04-05-2011, 07:30 PM
See here we go again, now I'm a dummy. Three Building two planes. Come on.

:facepalm: Read the other thread, please.

trndobrd
04-05-2011, 07:30 PM
Maybe in some alternate universe I could possibly believe that our government, who love us so much, were telling the complete truth. Maybe, but you guys say that there is no way absolutely no way that there is any other probably outcome than what the news told you


Since facts no longer matter, and now we are into "I refuse to believe" land, perhaps you have some idea what happened to the 757 that did not hit the Pentagon. I suppose they had enough fuel on board to make it to the Bermuda triangle, but probably not all the way to Roswell.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 07:30 PM
See, here's the problem. You're running off at the mouth about shit you obviously don't know. You don't even know the difference between enlisted and an officer. Never mind that one cannot make a "carreer" out of being an E-4.

Really, How about I did my time. I spent four years in the Navy, so I know. Don't say shit about people when you don't know them. okay :thumb:

Radar Chief
04-05-2011, 07:31 PM
Maybe in some alternate universe I could possibly believe that our government, who love us so much, were telling the complete truth. Maybe, but you guys say that there is no way absolutely no way that there is any other probably outcome than what the news told you

Don't believe the government. Believe the facts.
But in this case they indicate that the government version is the most likely one.

Radar Chief
04-05-2011, 07:31 PM
Really, How about I did my time. I spent four years in the Navy, so I know. Don't say shit about people when you don't know them. okay :thumb:

Then why didn't you recognize the simple distinction between an officer and an enlisted?

trndobrd
04-05-2011, 07:31 PM
Really, How about I did my time. I spent four years in the Navy, so I know. Don't say shit about people when you don't know them. okay :thumb:

So you do understand the difference, but are willing to gloss over a bold face lie because the source supports your point of view.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 07:33 PM
Are you under the mistaken impression a plane would leave a cartoon cutout in a steel reinforced cement wall?

It's so amazing, you guys really believe this shit. No and I am also not under the impression that a plane can hit the top of a building amd make it collapse straight down

Radar Chief
04-05-2011, 07:34 PM
It's so amazing, you guys really believe this shit. No am I am also not under the impression that a plane can hit the top of a building a make it completely collapse straight down

You think that's what happened at the Pentagon?

Baby Lee
04-05-2011, 07:35 PM
Plaintiff calls its first witness.

http://media.avclub.com/images/articles/article/54041/itsgettingold_jpg_627x1000_q85_jpg_627x1000_q85.jpg

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 07:36 PM
Then why didn't you recognize the simple distinction between an officer and an enlisted?

What the hell are you talking about. I don't give a fuck about that. Thats what I was saying. Because she was enlisted she was a liar or something. What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

mlyonsd
04-05-2011, 07:36 PM
It's so amazing, you guys really believe this shit. No and I am also not under the impression that a plane can hit the top of a building amd make it collapse straight down

Look at the pictures. It was imploded....not exploded. It was hit by something, not blown up from within. If not a plane, what?

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 07:38 PM
You think that's what happened at the Pentagon?

Thats the thing. I don't know what happened, I wasn't there. I question things, I can't just believe them when they lie all of the time. Everyone knows the gov is corrupt right?

blaise
04-05-2011, 07:38 PM
It's so amazing, you guys really believe this shit. No and I am also not under the impression that a plane can hit the top of a building amd make it collapse straight down

Tell us what you believe happened. Let's hear the sane version.

Radar Chief
04-05-2011, 07:39 PM
What the hell are you talking about. I don't give a fuck about that. Thats what I was saying. Because she was enlisted she was a liar or something. What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

Really? The "career officer" that prompted this topic turns out to be enlisted and at a rank that would prohibit them from being "career" military and you're like "what's that got to do with anything?" ROFL

blaise
04-05-2011, 07:39 PM
It's either believe the gov or the others. If you believe the gov and call the others "kooks" then you are defending the gov. Why would anybody believe the government about anything they lie all the time.

Yeah I'm sure this lady never lied in her life. Let's run with her story, whoever she is.

Kook.

trndobrd
04-05-2011, 07:39 PM
What the hell are you talking about. I don't give a **** about that. Thats what I was saying. Because she was enlisted she was a liar or something. What the **** does that have to do with anything?


If a publication gets a simple fact wrong, like refering to a Specialist as a Career Army Officer, why believe that the rest of the statements are correct?

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 07:39 PM
Look at the pictures. It was imploded....not exploded. It was hit by something, not blown up from within. If not a plane, what?

I didn't say anything about explosion. I was saying that if you take a structure and hit it at the top there is no way it can fall straight down.

trndobrd
04-05-2011, 07:41 PM
Thats the thing. I don't know what happened, I wasn't there. I question things, I can't just believe them when they lie all of the time. Everyone knows the gov is corrupt right?


You worked for the government, you tell me. Did you lie all the time?

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 07:41 PM
If a publication gets a simple fact wrong, like refering to a Specialist as a Career Army Officer, why believe that the rest of the statements are correct?

What? Okay maybe she isn't really sueing them, is that what you're saying. The publication was just saying what she said. Once again what does her rank have to do with anything. Grasping for straws

trndobrd
04-05-2011, 07:43 PM
I didn't say anything about explosion. I was saying that if you take a structure and hit it at the top there is no way it can fall straight down.

Why don't you go conduct some experiments.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 07:43 PM
You worked for the government, you tell me. Did you lie all the time?

This is more of the same shit. You guys turn it into comments like this one. You know I meant the higher ups, the president and who ever else up there. Wait, so you trust Bush over a lady who says she was there or over people that say they were in the towers and heard explosions?

trndobrd
04-05-2011, 07:45 PM
What? Okay maybe she isn't really sueing them, is that what you're saying. The publication was just saying what she said. Once again what does her rank have to do with anything. Grasping for straws


She probably is sueing them. It's just amazing that someone as fixated on 'facts' as you claim to be, is more than happy to accept any report from any source.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 07:45 PM
Why don't you go conduct some experiments.

Thats the perfect example, thank you, There is no way that the jenga building would fall straight down.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 07:45 PM
She probably is sueing them. It's just amazing that someone as fixated on 'facts' as you claim to be, is more than happy to accept any report from any source.

Same thing you are doing right.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 07:46 PM
You think that's what happened at the Pentagon?

What, I said no then moved on

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 07:47 PM
Plaintiff calls its first witness.

http://media.avclub.com/images/articles/article/54041/itsgettingold_jpg_627x1000_q85_jpg_627x1000_q85.jpg

That's cute, thanks

trndobrd
04-05-2011, 07:47 PM
This is more of the same shit. You guys turn it into comments like this one. You know I meant the higher ups, the president and who ever else up there. Wait, so you trust Bush over a lady who says she was there or over people that say they were in the towers and heard explosions?


Apparently you trust this lady, who said that she was unconcious after the initial blast, over the first responders (not Feds) who saw the pieces of the airplane, bodies and uniforms of the flight crew. Why?

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 07:49 PM
I must have saw a different video. I trust the first responders that I saw that said they heard explosions. Not the ones on the news

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 07:50 PM
Didn't they find pieces of the Quaran and ID's in the rumble?

trndobrd
04-05-2011, 07:55 PM
I must have saw a different video. I trust the first responders that I saw that said they heard explosions. Not the ones on the news

So all the news media is on the conspiracy too. Got it.

mlyonsd
04-05-2011, 07:56 PM
Didn't they find pieces of the Quaran and ID's in the rumble?

Maybe you should start with some research.

I suggest the 911 was an inside job thread. Go through it and get back to us.

teedubya
04-05-2011, 07:57 PM
If you still buy the official story of 9-11, after watching us immediately go to war with Afghanistan & Iraq [who Bush admitted had NOTHING to do w/ 9-11] and passed the Patriot Act... created the homeland security dept... and TSA... you are a complete sheep.

Bush and Bin Laden's dad have been great friends and business partners for the Carlyle Group for YEEEEARS. http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/NEW304A.html

Hrmmm. why would be go to war? It's fucking obvious to any free thinker.

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Explosions at nuclear plants even keep the steel frame intact. heh.

http://www.t-room.us/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Fukushima-1-After-Explosion.jpeg

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trndobrd
04-05-2011, 07:57 PM
What? Okay maybe she isn't really sueing them, is that what you're saying. The publication was just saying what she said. Once again what does her rank have to do with anything. Grasping for straws


That was the title of your thread. You knew it was wrong when you posted it. Why would you post something you know to be a lie?

mlyonsd
04-05-2011, 07:57 PM
So all the news media is on the conspiracy too. Got it.

Best kept secret in the history of the world. I wonder how many were in on it, 2, 3?

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 07:58 PM
Maybe you should start with some research.

I suggest the 911 was an inside job thread. Go through it and get back to us.

No need

teedubya
04-05-2011, 07:59 PM
It boils down to this... if you vehemently deny this possibility of this, you are EXACTLY the type of American that the Powers that Be have been working to create. The dumbed down sheep. Congrats. Because you and your lack of questioning and caring, the constitution is nearly null and void.

Thanks.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_iYrhopY-rI4/TI57uDqedUI/AAAAAAAAGjc/dydqGSjiwWc/s1600/sheeple.jpg

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 07:59 PM
That was the title of your thread. You knew it was wrong when you posted it. Why would you post something you know to be a lie?

You keep saying these things and it's proving my point even more. Please, keep going your helping me out.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 08:01 PM
So all the news media is on the conspiracy too. Got it.

You do realize that most of the news comes from the same place right?

teedubya
04-05-2011, 08:01 PM
Best kept secret in the history of the world. I wonder how many were in on it, 2, 3?

All of the major media companies are owned by Bilderberg key members. It's in their best interest to keep quiet.

David Rockefeller's own words...
"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years."

He went on to explain:

"It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."

-- David Rockefeller, Speaking at the June, 1991 Bilderberger meeting in Baden, Germany (a meeting also attended by then-Governor Bill Clinton and by Dan Quayle

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 08:02 PM
Why do you think that all of the news stations mainly talk about death and murder and weather and death and sports

patteeu
04-05-2011, 08:02 PM
15th? and that analogy is not good. Whats up with the gov love. What do I have to gain from this, now ask what do they have to gain

It's not the 15th this year. It's not government love to recognize beyond-implausible conspiracy theories for what they are. It's common sense.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 08:03 PM
All of the major media companies are owned by Bilderberg key members. It's in their best interest to keep quiet.

David Rockefeller's own words...


He went on to explain:



-- David Rockefeller, Speaking at the June, 1991 Bilderberger meeting in Baden, Germany (a meeting also attended by then-Governor Bill Clinton and by Dan Quayle

Thank you, I don't have all of the links. Finally someone who can provide a lil bit of reason besides myself

Baby Lee
04-05-2011, 08:05 PM
And the Colonel with his Wee Beady Eyes!!!

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 08:05 PM
It's not the 15th this year. It's not government love to recognize beyond-implausible conspiracy theories for what they are. It's common sense.

Exactly, and who's doing the conning. Joe blow who has absolutely nothing to gain or the gov who has everything to lose. Once again thank you for your post. And my bad about the date. Didn't know

teedubya
04-05-2011, 08:07 PM
Oh another coincidence... Oh my, I'm sure this had NOTHING to do with the fact that pentagon was hit, RIGHT WHERE THEY WERE MEETING to discuss the 2.3 trillion missing.

And the fact that Rumsfeld had this press conference at 5pm EST on 9-10-2001... so the media wouldn't talk about it.

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I'm sure it is only a coincidence... BAAAAAAAH!!

http://sheeplesurvivalguide.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/new_sheeple_dees.jpg

patteeu
04-05-2011, 08:07 PM
Are you under the mistaken impression a plane would leave a cartoon cutout in a steel reinforced cement wall?

LMAO

mlyonsd
04-05-2011, 08:07 PM
All of the major media companies are owned by Bilderberg key members. It's in their best interest to keep quiet.

David Rockefeller's own words...


He went on to explain:



-- David Rockefeller, Speaking at the June, 1991 Bilderberger meeting in Baden, Germany (a meeting also attended by then-Governor Bill Clinton and by Dan Quayle

I'd suggest jumping on the birther bandwagon. That conspiracy still has legs and I'm sure you can make a difference.

patteeu
04-05-2011, 08:07 PM
Really, How about I did my time. I spent four years in the Navy, so I know. Don't say shit about people when you don't know them. okay :thumb:

Good thing we have smart weapons these days.

teedubya
04-05-2011, 08:08 PM
Thank you, I don't have all of the links. Finally someone who can provide a lil bit of reason besides myself

The sheeple on this forum, for the most part, are the perfect Amurkans. Dumbed down and stubborn.

|Zach|
04-05-2011, 08:08 PM
I don't think this does any good.

teedubya
04-05-2011, 08:10 PM
I'd suggest jumping on the birther bandwagon. That conspiracy still has legs and I'm sure you can make a difference.

That is a misdirection, IMO. It doesn't matter who the presidential puppet is, man.

If you don't think Amurka is run by a covert military, medical, pharmaceutical, petrochemical, agricultural, banking cartel, you are as blind as Helen Keller.

Brock
04-05-2011, 08:10 PM
The sheeple on this forum, for the most part, are the perfect Amurkans. Dumbed down and stubborn.

You are a nutjob who will believe anything as long as it comes from nutjob sources.

teedubya
04-05-2011, 08:10 PM
All anyone with a brain has to ask... is WHY DID BUILDING 7 fall in a freefall? It was OBVIOUSLY a controlled demolition.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 08:11 PM
The sheeple on this forum, for the most part, are the perfect Amurkans. Dumbed down and stubborn.

I'm starting to see that. I've wasted all of this time being attacked when all I want is for people to not just believe everything the news tells them. Funny I knock the gov they knock me, I knock the gov some more, they get there buddies to knock me.....it's a vicious cycle

teedubya
04-05-2011, 08:13 PM
You are a nutjob who will believe anything as long as it comes from nutjob sources.

I am one of the few who actually question the perceived and officially created "reality".

I don't mind being on the fringe. I'm wide awake... and I've been researching this shit for over 10 years... since 2000. So, I looked at 9-11 with a different set of eyes.

It is obvious that an oligarchy runs the system. Only someone who hasn't researched or thought about it, shuns the possibilities for corruption. We know what column you are in.

Blind allegiance to the official story. Congrats. Don't you have some grass to graze on?

teedubya
04-05-2011, 08:14 PM
I'm starting to see that. I've wasted all of this time being attacked when all I want is for people to not just believe everything the news tells them. Funny I knock the gov they knock me, I knock the gov some more, they get there buddies to knock me.....it's a vicious cycle

Once you realize this... you understand what really goes on.

"Problem. Reaction. Solution."

Create a problem... wait for the reaction... offer the solution that moves you towards your goal.

It's a very slow con.

patteeu
04-05-2011, 08:15 PM
I'm starting to see that. I've wasted all of this time being attacked when all I want is for people to not just believe everything the news tells them. Funny I knock the gov they knock me, I knock the gov some more, they get there buddies to knock me.....it's a vicious cycle

You ask questions that have been asked and answered many times, but when people tell you where to find those answers you're not interested. Why should we do anything but ridicule you?

teedubya
04-05-2011, 08:15 PM
And when you have a permanent military armaments industry... you have to find villains and enemies.

Amurka and powers that be, are quite creative in getting us to buy into their endless wars.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 08:17 PM
Once you realize this... you understand what really goes on.

"Problem. Reaction. Solution."

Create a problem... wait for the reaction... offer the solution that moves you towards your goal.

It's a very slow con.

Indeed it is. I just don't understand why so many people back the governments accounts when they consistantly fuck us over year after year. Then we vote there friends in so they can fuck us too. And the funny part is that we love it, and don't you dare say anything negative about the fucking either

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 08:19 PM
You ask questions that have been asked and answered many times, but when people tell you where to find those answers you're not interested. Why should we do anything but ridicule you?

You act like I just heard about 9/11. I've heard all of the tales and the stories. The question I asked was a joke question. Come on people

mlyonsd
04-05-2011, 08:19 PM
That is a misdirection, IMO. It doesn't matter who the presidential puppet is, man.

If you don't think Amurka is run by a covert military, medical, pharmaceutical, petrochemical, agricultural, banking cartel, you are as blind as Helen Keller.

I was just trying to help you out.

So if it was a conspiracy how many people would it take to commit that much carnage? The planning, timing, execution?

Don't you find it unrealistic someone hasn't come forward or something accidentally leaked as to the plot?

The reason people don't take your side seriously is because you give no proof of anything.

patteeu
04-05-2011, 08:20 PM
Indeed it is. I just don't understand why so many people back the governments accounts when they consistantly **** us over year after year. Then we vote there friends in so they can **** us too. And the funny part is that we love it, and don't you dare say anything negative about the ****ing either

I don't think anyone believes the official version is the 100% truth. It's bound to get some small parts wrong so there is always room for a little bit of skepticism. But what you're doing is discarding the highly plausible, fact-based government theory for doubts that have been expressed by many loons before you and debunked thoroughly again and again. At this point, the government version looks pretty good by comparison.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 08:21 PM
You ask questions that have been asked and answered many times, but when people tell you where to find those answers you're not interested. Why should we do anything but ridicule you?

And the another question remains, what is wrong with question the "offical" story. I have nothing to gain. I just don't believe that shit, so i ask questions. I haven't said anything negative about anyone is this thread yet somehow i'm the bad guy. I don't get it.

Dayze
04-05-2011, 08:21 PM
And the Colonel with his Wee Beady Eyes!!!

LMAO

i forget the other line in his spiel; something about accusing the Colonel of putting in ingredients that make him crave it fortnightly or something to that effect.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 08:23 PM
I don't think anyone believes the official version is the 100% truth. It's bound to get some small parts wrong so there is always room for a little bit of skepticism. But what you're doing is discarding the highly plausible, fact-based government theory for doubts that have been expressed by many loons before you and debunked thoroughly again and again. At this point, the government version looks pretty good by comparison.

What facts do you speak of. None of us can prove a thing. We weren't there. We are all going off of what we heard, correct? I can't prove shit and neither can anyone else. I'm just asking questions. And if you don't believe the offical story why in the hell have you been attacking what I say for god knows how long.

teedubya
04-05-2011, 08:23 PM
I was just trying to help you out.

So if it was a conspiracy how many people would it take to commit that much carnage? The planning, timing, execution?

Don't you find it unrealistic someone hasn't come forward or something accidentally leaked as to the plot?

The reason people don't take your side seriously is because you give no proof of anything.

I don't find it unrealistic. Most of them die. And I give plenty of proof, stubborn gentlemen like yourself just refuse to look at the links... I'm easy to dismiss as a kook that way, and your perceived reality can remain in tact.

spend 3 minutes and watch this. I know you won't because you are too proud to admit that you are wrong. That's okay, you are a good Amurkan. They like the way you believe the official stories, bro.

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durtyrute
04-05-2011, 08:25 PM
You could've saved us both some time and just said "it's possible"

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 08:26 PM
I was just trying to help you out.

So if it was a conspiracy how many people would it take to commit that much carnage? The planning, timing, execution?

Don't you find it unrealistic someone hasn't come forward or something accidentally leaked as to the plot?

The reason people don't take your side seriously is because you give no proof of anything.

Thats the thing people have come forward, just like the lady in the article, but no one believes them.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 08:27 PM
There is no way anyone can watch those vidoes and still believe the story that they have been selling us.

Baby Lee
04-05-2011, 08:27 PM
Huell Howser - Form Enigma Force FIVE!!!!!

Brock
04-05-2011, 08:28 PM
There is no way anyone can watch those vidoes and still believe the story that they have been selling us.

ROFL

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 08:28 PM
ROFL

WE HAVE A WINNER...Where is the Charlie Sheen poster now

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 08:31 PM
ROFL

Did you watch the videos with an open mind? Did you watch the videos at all?

patteeu
04-05-2011, 08:37 PM
What facts do you speak of. None of us can prove a thing. We weren't there. We are all going off of what we heard, correct? I can't prove shit and neither can anyone else. I'm just asking questions. And if you don't believe the offical story why in the hell have you been attacking what I say for god knows how long.

Because the official story is largely the correct story. They may have gotten small conclusions wrong but they didn't get a big conclusion (e.g. building 7's collapse due to damage sustained from the collapse of the other towers) wrong. You want to entertain idiotic theories about controlled demolitions and disappearing jetliners. You shattered the limits of your own credibility on this subject by being willing to entertain the preposterous.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 08:39 PM
How did that building collapse when none of the others around it did?

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 08:42 PM
Because the official story is largely the correct story. They may have gotten small conclusions wrong but they didn't get a big conclusion (e.g. building 7's collapse due to damage sustained from the collapse of the other towers) wrong. You want to entertain idiotic theories about controlled demolitions and disappearing jetliners. You shattered the limits of your own credibility on this subject by being willing to entertain the preposterous.

You can see explosions in the videos. How is that idiotic?

patteeu
04-05-2011, 08:43 PM
How did that building collapse when none of the others around it did?

Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom—approximately 10 stories—about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner.

NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse.

According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down."

There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building's other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities.

Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time."

WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors—along with the building's unusual construction—were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse.

Read more: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories - Debunking the Myths - World Trade Center - Popular Mechanics (http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center#wtc7)

trndobrd
04-05-2011, 08:44 PM
There is no way anyone can watch those vidoes and still believe the story that they have been selling us.


Wrong again.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 08:47 PM
Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom—approximately 10 stories—about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner.

NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse.

According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down."

There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building's other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities.

Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time."

WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors—along with the building's unusual construction—were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse.

Read more: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories - Debunking the Myths - World Trade Center - Popular Mechanics (http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center#wtc7)

Thanks that was a good read

teedubya
04-05-2011, 08:47 PM
Anyway, 9-11 is 10 years old... they are further down the road in their end game. So, it really doesn't matter if you get it or not. But, once you take the red pill, the rest of the things are clear.

Always... always... always ask... who has the most to gain in this situation.

Most times, it's the powers that be and their constituents. Period.

I have other things to do this evening aside from dropping science here... It's like being a teacher in the ghetto.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 08:48 PM
Wrong again.

Two winners, where is that damn Charlie Sheen poster ROFL

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 08:49 PM
Anyway, 9-11 is 10 years old... they are further down the road in their end game. So, it really doesn't matter if you get it or not. But, once you take the red pill, the rest of the things are clear.

Always... always... always ask... who has the most to gain in this situation.

Most times, it's the powers that be and their constituents. Period.

I have other things to do this evening aside from dropping science here... It's like being a teacher in the ghetto.

This, we all believe what we believe, so fuck it

trndobrd
04-05-2011, 08:52 PM
Oh another coincidence... Oh my, I'm sure this had NOTHING to do with the fact that pentagon was hit, RIGHT WHERE THEY WERE MEETING to discuss the 2.3 trillion missing.

And the fact that Rumsfeld had this press conference at 5pm EST on 9-10-2001... so the media wouldn't talk about it.



So this whole thing was staged to cover up the missing $2.3 Trillion?

mlyonsd
04-05-2011, 09:01 PM
Thats the thing people have come forward, just like the lady in the article, but no one believes them.

She was a conspirator? Those are the people I'm talking about.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 09:04 PM
She was a conspirator? Those are the people I'm talking about.

What do "those" people have to gain. Nothing. Not one thing, yet they are labeled and called names for questioning an already corrupt gov. Can we all agree that the gov is corrupt? If you answer yes than how can you believe them on this, shit how can we believe anything they say?

Brock
04-05-2011, 09:08 PM
What do "those" people have to gain. Nothing. Not one thing, yet they are labeled and called names for questioning an already corrupt gov. Can we all agree that the gov is corrupt? If you answer yes than how can you believe them on this, shit how can we believe anything they say?

The government is corrupt, it's also grossly incompetent, but you seem to think they're capable of covering up the biggest conspiracy in history.

notorious
04-05-2011, 09:08 PM
I am a part of the conspiracy.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 09:09 PM
The government is corrupt, it's also grossly incompetent, but you seem to think they're capable of covering up the biggest conspiracy in history.

All they need is millions like yourself to do it, and it's working, no?

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 09:10 PM
The government is corrupt, it's also grossly incompetent, but you seem to think they're capable of covering up the biggest conspiracy in history.

There are people trying to get the truth out and have been for ten years, but no one will hear what they have to say. I'll ask it again, what do those people have to gain

mlyonsd
04-05-2011, 09:10 PM
I am a part of the conspiracy.Finally we have a perp.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 09:12 PM
Can anyone answer that question seriously? What do all of these people have to gain from wanting questions to be asked about that day?

notorious
04-05-2011, 09:17 PM
Finally we have a perp.

Well, it's impossible for anyone, much like myself to keep a secret, so why not confess to the people in DC on CP.


No one will believe a poster on CP. My confession is the equivalent of a patient shitting his diaper in an insane asylum. It will just blend in with the rest of the crazy shit, never to be noticed by anyone that is sane.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 09:31 PM
Can anyone answer that question seriously? What do all of these people have to gain from wanting questions to be asked about that day?

Anyone?

trndobrd
04-05-2011, 09:36 PM
Can anyone answer that question seriously? What do all of these people have to gain from wanting questions to be asked about that day?

I don't know "all these people", but I would wade out and suggest that some want to feel like they are smarter than the rest, want noteriety, permanent contrarians, and some are batshit crazy.

Why does it matter? I'm still waiting to hear want happened to the airplane that didn't hit the Pentagon.

durtyrute
04-05-2011, 09:44 PM
I already said that I don't know what happened that day. And neither do you. And it matters, why would people just make this shit up. So there are people out there with some agenda against the government, enough so that they interview scientists, eye witnesses, demolition experts then they collect all of this data, spend months turning it into a video, just to say look at what I did mommy. Damn that's intense. And with the rationale that you provided that still really isn't gaining anything and in no way compares to what the gov has to lose if what they say isn't the truth. Anyone else like to try?

trndobrd
04-05-2011, 09:54 PM
I already said that I don't know what happened that day. And neither do you.


So for the most basic question, what happened to a 757 airliner...you just don't know.

But you do know that literally thousands of people in government at all levels, in the private sector, and the media are in on a conspiracy lasting over years.

You know that not a single one in the last 10 years has come forward to say "yep, I planted explosives in the North Tower"

You do know that Donald Rumsfeld held a press conference announcing trillions of dollars in waste, then the next day orchestrated the events of 9/11

You know that a government of "higher ups" is willing to murder thousands of US citizens, but will happily allow a couple guys on youtube expose the conspiracy without consequence.

You know an Army Specialist is not an officer, but post it anyway.

You know, as they guy in the video says, the only way to explain the towers collapse...

You know the eyewitness accounts of the airplane coming toward the Pentagon are wrong.

You know the workers on the ground are lying (part of the conspiracy).

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 06:04 AM
So for the most basic question, what happened to a 757 airliner...you just don't know.

But you do know that literally thousands of people in government at all levels, in the private sector, and the media are in on a conspiracy lasting over years.

You know that not a single one in the last 10 years has come forward to say "yep, I planted explosives in the North Tower"

You do know that Donald Rumsfeld held a press conference announcing trillions of dollars in waste, then the next day orchestrated the events of 9/11

You know that a government of "higher ups" is willing to murder thousands of US citizens, but will happily allow a couple guys on youtube expose the conspiracy without consequence.

You know an Army Specialist is not an officer, but post it anyway.

You know, as they guy in the video says, the only way to explain the towers collapse...

You know the eyewitness accounts of the airplane coming toward the Pentagon are wrong.

You know the workers on the ground are lying (part of the conspiracy).

You do realize that not everyone you see on the news in real right. You have to know at least that. http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=243576 Check out the link from a poster on here who tells you that the media lies. Scroll down to ChiefsFaithful's comment. He has first hand experience. Now there is a fact for you. Now, for the one billioneth time. I don't know what happened that day and neither do you. I know what I believe and there is a difference. Maybe that shit happened the way that they said it did. I myself doubt it, but I don't go around calling people names because of my beliefs, yet no one sees that they are doing that to others. It's weird how you go at such great lengths to discredit what others are saying and call names and make jokes without for a sec taking time to answer one single question. Why would all of these people lie about it? Think for just one sec, take out all of the other shit. And just ask yourself that one question. Then, just for shits and grins ask yourself if it possible who has more to gain, then, who has more to lose. And I mean a real answer. Not, they want fame. That doesn't work, or, they want to be smart, REALLY, THAT'S ALL YOU GOT? People have spent ten years trying to bring theis to the light,but then people like yourself say I don't wanna hear any kooks, then say, how come no one has said anything. You guys don't want to wake up. I get it. But it is crazy that one on hand half of the members here bash the government everyday in other threads, but on this one topic the government are the saviors and do everything right. How does that make since. Anyway, just answer those questions, if you can't even do that, then that TW fella is right about the whole sheep thing he said.

stevieray
04-06-2011, 06:21 AM
Can anyone answer that question seriously? What do all of these people have to gain from wanting questions to be asked about that day?peace of mind and closure...it's easier to deal with an unimaginable tragedy by attaching a conspircay to it, rather than just accepting it for what it was..... a horrific act of terrorism against our country, on our shores.

blaise
04-06-2011, 07:03 AM
Aliens created the Pyramids.

I have nothing to gain by that statement, therefore it's true.

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 07:33 AM
peace of mind and closure...it's easier to deal with an unimaginable tragedy by attaching a conspircay to it, rather than just accepting it for what it was..... a horrific act of terrorism against our country, on our shores.

It is? That doesn't even make sense. If people wanted closure they would've just accepted the story long ago and moved on. What's more horrific, the fact that on one day that happened or the fact that ten years later we are still over there killing people that had nothing to do with it?

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 07:34 AM
Aliens created the Pyramids.

I have nothing to gain by that statement, therefore it's true.

More jokes that mean nothing. ROFL You guys make me smile

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 07:34 AM
9/11 happened in ONE day. We are still over there TEN YEARS LATER. Really!!

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 07:38 AM
How many people on here are in other threads bashing the government. Just about everyone, but on this single event there is no way that the government could've lied. You bash them every fucking day. Oh the gas prices, oh the taxes, oh the education system, oh the rigged elections, oh the corporate spending, oh the deficit, oh JFK, oh Bush is fuck up, oh Obama is a fuck up, oh there all fuck ups, but 9/11 nope, no way they lied there. :thumb:

patteeu
04-06-2011, 07:40 AM
All they need is millions like yourself to do it, and it's working, no?

No. It's not working because it's not real.

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 07:41 AM
What the point of neg repping me over this. You guys are great. Thank you

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 07:41 AM
No. It's not working because it's not real.

What, you believe their story, so it's working.

patteeu
04-06-2011, 07:43 AM
I already said that I don't know what happened that day. And neither do you. And it matters, why would people just make this shit up. So there are people out there with some agenda against the government, enough so that they interview scientists, eye witnesses, demolition experts then they collect all of this data, spend months turning it into a video, just to say look at what I did mommy. Damn that's intense. And with the rationale that you provided that still really isn't gaining anything and in no way compares to what the gov has to lose if what they say isn't the truth. Anyone else like to try?

If the government conspired to kill thousands of our own people on 9/11, why are the guys promoting these videos still alive to bring attention to the horrible "truth"? It's nonsense and it reflects poorly on you that you can't see that.

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 07:44 AM
If the government conspired to kill thousands of our own people on 9/11, why are the guys promoting these videos still alive to bring attention to the horrible "truth"? It's nonsense and it reflects poorly on you that you can't see that.

People have already died trying to prove them wrong. They can't kill everyone that says anything against them. Come on man

Baby Lee
04-06-2011, 07:44 AM
How many people on here are in other threads bashing the government. Just about everyone, but on this single event there is no way that the government could've lied. You bash them every fucking day. Oh the gas prices, oh the taxes, oh the education system, oh the rigged elections, oh the corporate spending, oh the deficit, oh JFK, oh Bush is fuck up, oh Obama is a fuck up, oh there all fuck ups, but 9/11 nope, no way they lied there. :thumb:

Absolutely, because anger over bad ideas and inefficiency is fungible with anger at the murder of 1000s at once and a decade of war killing many thousands more.

Hey!! Our government redistributes resources and gives insiders a leg up in the marketplace. Is it a stretch to assume that they'd rend the bodies of thousands of of citizens into indiscernible hunks of flesh?

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 07:48 AM
Absolutely, because anger over bad ideas and inefficiency is fungible with anger at the murder of 1000s at once and a decade of war killing many thousands more.

By your sig, I'm not sure which side you're on

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 07:49 AM
We are still over there ten years later. I've heard of revenge, but damn

Radar Chief
04-06-2011, 07:49 AM
What the point of neg repping me over this. You guys are great. Thank you

I’ve only skimmed the topic this morning so perhaps you could point out to me where exactly you’ve admitted you started the topic with a lie in the title then go on to post an article containing more lies, like the “no evidence of a plane at the Pentagon” :BS:? Because until such a time all you have proven is you have no integrity and are not worth the time and bandwidth necessary to respond too. IOW you’re a troll, though I admit a polite one compared to most other trolls I’ve run across.

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 07:52 AM
I’ve only skimmed the topic this morning so perhaps you could point out to me where exactly you’ve admitted you started the topic with a lie in the title then go on to post an article containing more lies, like the “no evidence of a plane at the Pentagon” :BS:? Because until such a time all you have proven is you have no integrity and are not worth the time and bandwidth necessary to respond too. IOW you’re a troll, though I admit a polite one compared to most other trolls I’ve run across.

If you don't like the thread then move on

Radar Chief
04-06-2011, 07:54 AM
If you don't like the thread then move on

Exactly.
Troll.

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 07:55 AM
I’ve only skimmed the topic this morning so perhaps you could point out to me where exactly you’ve admitted you started the topic with a lie in the title then go on to post an article containing more lies, like the “no evidence of a plane at the Pentagon” :BS:? Because until such a time all you have proven is you have no integrity and are not worth the time and bandwidth necessary to respond too. IOW you’re a troll, though I admit a polite one compared to most other trolls I’ve run across.

How is no evidence of a plane a lie. Did you see the plane? Did anyone? I didn't write the aritcle, I posted it because I'm happy people are still trying fight the fight against the government, while you guys are trying to go against individuals. The government fucks us all of the time. Why are you guys backin them?

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 07:56 AM
Exactly.
Troll.

Another winner, someone please break out that Charlie Sheen poster

Radar Chief
04-06-2011, 07:57 AM
How is no evidence of a plane a lie.

Because you keep repeating the falsehood in the face of the evidence proving you wrong.

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 07:58 AM
I'm just trying to say that the gov, who lie all of the fucking time, could have possibly lied about this. You guys are saying that the gov, who you admit lie all of the time, would never lie about this. How does that make sense.

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 07:59 AM
Because you keep repeating the falsehood in the face of the evidence proving you wrong.

There is no evidence of a plane, what the hell are you talking about

blaise
04-06-2011, 08:03 AM
Another winner, someone please break out that Charlie Sheen poster

Wow, you using this line is getting as tired as the whole Charlie Sheen thing itself.

blaise
04-06-2011, 08:05 AM
More jokes that mean nothing. ROFL You guys make me smile

It's not a joke, it's a reference to your stupid argument that someone saying something, and then saying "What do they have to gain?" is stupid.

durtyrute is a 350 woman.

I have nothing to gain by saying that, it must be true.

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 08:06 AM
It was funny when whoever posted it. I just want the same laughs. All you guys are doing is making jokes about me when I'm not saying anything about you. We all agreee that the gov lies all of the time, right? Then how is it not possible that coud've lied about this?

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 08:07 AM
It's not a joke, it's a reference to your stupid argument that someone saying something, and then saying "What do they have to gain?" is stupid.

durtyrute is a 350 woman.

I have nothing to gain by saying that, it must be true.

Thank you, you're helping my case with each of your post, please continue

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 08:11 AM
Look fellas, we all pay taxes, we get fucked on that. We all get spied on. We all have our privacy invaded. We all vote for people who turn around and screw us. And we all know these things yet we continue to back them.

Baby Lee
04-06-2011, 08:20 AM
Look fellas, we all pay taxes, we get fucked on that. We all get spied on. We all have our privacy invaded. We all vote for people who turn around and screw us. And we all know these things yet we continue to back them.

Al Davis is a shriveled SOB who owns the Raiders, safe to assume he kills hobos and rapes infants. Can't see how any rational person could disagree.

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 08:25 AM
Why do you have that sig

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 08:25 AM
More jokes....

blaise
04-06-2011, 08:41 AM
Thank you, you're helping my case with each of your post, please continue

No, no I'm not. Your post are dump.

patteeu
04-06-2011, 08:43 AM
More jokes....

You haven't caught on yet, but this whole thread is a joke.

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 08:44 AM
People are avoiding the issue. If it's a joke and you don't care why are you coming back to this thread

blaise
04-06-2011, 08:44 AM
You haven't caught on yet, but this whole thread is a joke.

You have nothing to gain by saying this.

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 08:44 AM
No, no I'm not. Your post are dump.

Actually you are. Thank you :thumb:

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 08:45 AM
You have nothing to gain by saying this.

Thanks :thumb:

patteeu
04-06-2011, 08:46 AM
People are avoiding the issue. If it's a joke and you don't care why are you coming back to this thread

Because I like to laugh, duh.

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 08:47 AM
Because I like to laugh, duh.

You're helping too. Thanks :thumb: ROFL
You guys are great

blaise
04-06-2011, 08:48 AM
Thanks :thumb:

Just so I know, because you'll probably post in other threads, are you a kook all the time or just with the 9/11 stuff? I mean, I don't want to hold it against you in other threads because you seem like an ok guy, unless you're always wacky and stuff. So, is it just this or everything?

blaise
04-06-2011, 08:48 AM
You're helping too. Thanks :thumb: ROFL
You guys are great

:thumb::thumb::thumb:ROFL:thumb:ROFL:thumb::drool:ROFL:thumb:

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 08:51 AM
See that's what I'm talking about. Why do you guys attack me and call me names. I'm not saying shit about you guys.

patteeu
04-06-2011, 08:52 AM
We are still over there ten years later. I've heard of revenge, but damn

We're not "over there" for revenge. How old are you?

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 08:53 AM
We're not "over there" for revenge. How old are you?

No shit

blaise
04-06-2011, 08:53 AM
See that's what I'm talking about. Why do you guys attack me and call me names. I'm not saying shit about you guys.

I'm not trying to call you names. I'm just asking, so I can move forward with an open mind when I see you post in other threads. Like I said, you seem like a nice guy, but if you're one of these dudes who's going to start saying all the NFL, NBA and NHL games are fixed and the Masons control parking lots or something, at least I'll know your deal now.

patteeu
04-06-2011, 08:54 AM
See that's what I'm talking about. Why do you guys attack me and call me names. I'm not saying shit about you guys.

We're not embracing crazy conspiracy theories. You may have noticed that teedubya and jerm were ridiculed too.

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 08:57 AM
I am who I am. If you want to call me a kook for what I believe because it differs from popular opinion so be it.

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 08:58 AM
We're not embracing crazy conspiracy theories. You may have noticed that teedubya and jerm were ridiculed too.

I know, that's what I'm saying. Instead of going in with an "open mind" You guys write it off and call people names. Once again, proving my point.

Baby Lee
04-06-2011, 09:03 AM
I know, that's what I'm saying. Instead of going in with an "open mind" You guys write it off and call people names. Once again, proving my point.

Could you please specify who you accuse of ordering the disintegration of 3000 citizens?

patteeu
04-06-2011, 09:04 AM
I know, that's what I'm saying. Instead of going in with an "open mind" You guys write it off and call people names. Once again, proving my point.

If your point is that we ridicule the ridiculous, then I guess I've helped to prove it. It's been brought to your attention that we have a 2000+ post thread here devoted to this topic and the questions have all been discussed ad nauseum. It's too late to have an open mind for most of us because we've already examined the crazy theories and the sensible alternatives. That's why I asked you how old you are. Your "open mindedness" would make slightly more sense if this is all new to you. But if you've been aware of these issues for a decade now, it's time to write you off as a loon.

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 09:05 AM
Could you please specify who you accuse of ordering the disintegration of 3000 citizens?

What the hell are you talkin about? I haven't accused anyone of shit but lying.

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 09:05 AM
If your point is that we ridicule the ridiculous, then I guess I've helped to prove it. It's been brought to your attention that we have a 2000+ post thread here devoted to this topic and the questions have all been discussed ad nauseum. It's too late to have an open mind for most of us because we've already examined the crazy theories and the sensible alternatives. That's why I asked you how old you are. Your "open mindedness" would make slightly more sense if this is all new to you. But if you've been aware of these issues for a decade now, it's time to write you off as a loon.

More of the same. You guys crack me up

Radar Chief
04-06-2011, 09:06 AM
There is no evidence of a plane, what the hell are you talking about

Proof you're FOS about this has been posted in response to you in this very topic.

blaise
04-06-2011, 09:06 AM
Could you please specify who you accuse of ordering the disintegration of 3000 citizens?

That's the point where these guys usually go, "Well, I don't know, I just know what they say isn't true."
Really, they have a theory (I think) they just don't want to post it because it's then that they're confronted with the fact that their theory is 50,000 times more ridiculous than they official story they've been saying is ridiculous.

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 09:07 AM
Why is it so hard to imagine a gov who lies all the time could've lied about this. Forget everything else. EVERYTHING. Could they have lied?

blaise
04-06-2011, 09:09 AM
I just hope they have laser guns and missiles on top of the Pentagon now.

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 09:11 AM
So wait, do you guys think some ass hat foiled the secret service and was able to find the only spot where no one was around and offed Kennedy?

patteeu
04-06-2011, 09:11 AM
Why is it so hard to imagine a gov who lies all the time could've lied about this. Forget everything else. EVERYTHING. Could they have lied?

How old are you?

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 09:11 AM
I just hope they have laser guns and missiles on top of the Pentagon now.

Sorry to think that the home of defense would at least have a radar system. Fuck, windows?

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 09:12 AM
How old are you?

Is it impossible for you guys to think?

patteeu
04-06-2011, 09:14 AM
Is it impossible for you guys to think?

No. How old are you?

DJ's left nut
04-06-2011, 09:15 AM
Here's what always cracks me the hell up about the truthers.

Let's say the government did plot this whole thing and that it was all just a sinister excuse to start a war.

Do we not have trained pilots? Do we not have a bunch of commercial airlines? Why the fuck would they set explosive charges in the building then tell everyone an airplane hit it when they could, oh I dunno, just go ahead and hit it with a fucking airplane.

I mean hell, if the government can orchestrate a coverup on this grand a scale (but can't get me my damn mail on time), surely they could create a Manchurian Pilot to do the job. Shit, GPS technology has come so far that they could've just plugged in the coordinates and had it done remotely without the pilot having any control over it at all.

If you're going to say there was a conspiracy, you at least have to look at plausible alternatives. Your position is that a government that is so smart that it could cover up the murder of thousands of civilians in order to start a war is simultaneously too stupid to realize that they could simply take control of a civilian aircraft and direct it into the Pentagon. Or that they're so stupid that they actively elected to use bombs rather than airplanes on the off chance that nobody would notice. If you're going to create a conspiracy theory, at least make it the best one. There's no way a the United State government would've planted bombs in the Pentagon when they could've just flown a plane into it instead, thus killing anyone with direct involvement and making it virtually impossible to discover.

You fellas are nuts. Just absolutely fucking nuts. Science doesn't do it for you, but perhaps simple logic will. Ultimately I kinda doubt it.

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 09:15 AM
Did some ass hat, joe blow off Kennedy?

Radar Chief
04-06-2011, 09:16 AM
Why is it so hard to imagine a gov who lies all the time could've lied about this. Forget everything else. EVERYTHING. Could they have lied?

I’m willing to believe the government lies, lied. :shrug: How about you come up with some proof of that instead of parroting debunked conspiracy theories?

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 09:17 AM
Here's what always cracks me the hell up about the truthers.

Let's say the government did plot this whole thing and that it was all just a sinister excuse to start a war.

Do we not have trained pilots? Do we not have a bunch of commercial airlines? Why the fuck would they set explosive charges in the building then tell everyone an airplane hit it when they could, oh I dunno, just go ahead and hit it with a fucking airplane.

I mean hell, if the government can orchestrate a coverup on this grand a scale (but can't get me my damn mail on time), surely they could create a Manchurian Pilot to do the job. Shit, GPS technology has come so far that they could've just plugged in the coordinates and had it done remotely without the pilot having any control over it at all.

If you're going to say there was a conspiracy, you at least have to look at plausible alternatives. Your position is that a government that is so smart that it could cover up the murder of thousands of civilians in order to start a war is simultaneously too stupid to realize that they could simply take control of a civilian aircraft and direct it into the Pentagon. Or that they're so stupid that they actively elected to use bombs rather than airplanes on the off chance that nobody would notice. If you're going to create a conspiracy theory, at least make it the best one. There's no way a the United State government would've planted bombs in the Pentagon when they could've just flown a plane into it instead, thus killing anyone with direct involvement and making it virtually impossible to discover.

You fellas are nuts. Just absolutely fucking nuts. Science doesn't do it for you, but perhaps simple logic will. Ultimately I kinda doubt it.

The difference is I can say that that is possible. Can you?

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 09:18 AM
I’m willing to believe the government lies, lied. :shrug: How about you come up with some proof of that instead of parroting debunked conspiracy theories?

Then that's all there is to say. If you believe the gov could've lied then what's all of the ridiculing about. I've been saying the whole time that I think its possible that they lied. Thats it.

blaise
04-06-2011, 09:18 AM
Sorry to think that the home of defense would at least have a radar system. ****, windows?

Yeah, they should have an alarm whenever a commercial jet flies nearby.
Of course, the Pentagon is like 3 miles from Reagan National Airport so it'll probably be a noisy place to work.

patteeu
04-06-2011, 09:19 AM
Is it safe to say that you're not going to answer my question about how old you are? You've got to be a teenager who just stumbled onto these stale, long-discredited conspiracies.

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 09:19 AM
I’m willing to believe the government lies, lied. :shrug: How about you come up with some proof of that instead of parroting debunked conspiracy theories?

The only thing i said was that there was no plane in the pentagon. Which there wasn't. That is a fact not a theory.

DJ's left nut
04-06-2011, 09:20 AM
The difference is I can say that that is possible. Can you?

Yeah...uh no.

It is not possible that the Federal Government planted bombs at the Pentagon any more than it is possible that Aliens built the pyramids or that there are remains of a alien race of robots hidden on the dark side of the moon. Absolutely nothing about it makes sense and you don't get a pass for spewing bullshit that is completely devoid of substance by saying "Oh yeah, well at least I will consider that it's possible" in the face of all logic and evidence to the contrary.

You fellas crack me up. You somehow equate having 'an open mind' with not having any sort of bullshit detector.

You say you're open-minded, the rest of the world calls you a gullible kook.

Radar Chief
04-06-2011, 09:20 AM
You fellas are nuts. Just absolutely ****ing nuts. Science doesn't do it for you, but perhaps simple logic will. Ultimately I kinda doubt it.

It’s become a belief structure, like a religion.

blaise
04-06-2011, 09:21 AM
Is it safe to say that you're not going to answer my question about how old you are? You've got to be a teenager who just stumbled onto these stale, long-discredited conspiracies.

He seems more like a confused elderly person who gets a bunch of forwarded emails to me.

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 09:21 AM
Im 31 does that help

blaise
04-06-2011, 09:22 AM
Im 31 does that help

No, it makes it somehow very sad.

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 09:22 AM
More name calling. I'm not attacking you. Can you not see that. Do you have some sorta interest in protecting the gov? I don't get it

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 09:23 AM
No, it makes it somehow very sad.

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Radar Chief
04-06-2011, 09:23 AM
Then that's all there is to say. If you believe the gov could've lied then what's all of the ridiculing about. I've been saying the whole time that I think its possible that they lied. Thats it.

You’re skipping over the “provide proof instead of parroting conspiracy theories” part.

DJ's left nut
04-06-2011, 09:23 AM
The only thing i said was that there was no plane in the pentagon. Which there wasn't. That is a fact not a theory.

Despite the fact that wreckage of an airplane was pulled from the pentagon and there has been photographic evidence of this provided to you.

But I just want to clarify - it's again your position that a government that has had unmanned aerial drones for over a decade now with a commensurate ability to pilot them to an accuracy of several inches via GPS coordinates wouldn't have simply electronically controlled an aircraft into the pentagon but instead would've placed explosive charges around the building and simply hoped nobody noticed.

That's the crux of your position, correct?

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 09:24 AM
You’re skipping over the “provide proof instead of parroting conspiracy theories” part.

I have as much proof as you do

blaise
04-06-2011, 09:25 AM
More name calling. I'm not attacking you. Can you not see that. Do you have some sorta interest in protecting the gov? I don't get it

DON'T YOU GET IT! THEY'VE GOTTEN TO US! WE'RE ALL INVOLVED!

patteeu
04-06-2011, 09:25 AM
The only thing i said was that there was no plane in the pentagon. Which there wasn't. That is a fact not a theory.

:facepalm:

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 09:25 AM
Despite the fact that wreckage of an airplane was pulled from the pentagon and there has been photographic evidence of this provided to you.

But I just want to clarify - it's again your position that a government that has had unmanned aerial drones for over a decade now with a commensurate ability to pilot them to an accuracy of several inches via GPS coordinates wouldn't have simply electronically controlled an aircraft into the pentagon but instead would've placed explosive charges around the building and simply hoped nobody noticed.

That's the crux of your position, correct?

What the hell are you talking about man? We've had the ability to be completely off of oil for decades now but we still use it. So what is your point agan

blaise
04-06-2011, 09:25 AM
I have as much proof as you do

So, how did the Pentagon blow up?

blaise
04-06-2011, 09:26 AM
What the hell are you talking about man? We've had the ability to be completely off of oil for decades now but we still use it. So what is your point agan

Right.

durtyrute
04-06-2011, 09:26 AM
Some one please answer the Kennedy question. Do you think some average guy foiled the secret service and did him in all by his self