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Chiefshrink
04-05-2011, 10:04 PM
Does this Muslim Ceremonial Practice happen in our country?

Be advised this video is quite disturbing but very much a reality in the Muslim World. Peter Boyles talks with William Federer an expert in the Muslim religion as well as Robert Spencer from Jihad Watch about this Muslim ceremonial practice.


Muslim Ceremonial Practice http://www.khow.com/cc-common/mediaplayer/player.html?redir=yes&mps=boyles.php&mid=http://media.ccomrcdn.com/media/station_content/636/MuslimCeremonyInVienna_1302004584_10188.wmv?CCOMRRMID=21003307&CPROG=RICHMEDIA&MARKET=DENVER-CO&NG_FORMAT=&NG_ID=&OR_NEWSFORMAT=&OWNER=636&SERVER_NAME=www.khow.com&SITE_ID=636&STATION_ID=KHOW-AM&TRACK=

Segment 1 - William Federer- Towards the end of this segment listen closely to what he say's about Obama. Quite interesting.

http://www.khow.com/cc-common/mediaplayer/player.html?redir=yes&mps=fullshow_boyles.php&mid=http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/18227/podcast/DENVER-CO/KHOW-AM/04062011PETE7A.mp3?CPROG=PCAST&CPROG=RICHMEDIA&MARKET=DENVER-CO&NG_FORMAT=&NG_ID=&OR_NEWSFORMAT=&OWNER=&SERVER_NAME=www.khow.com&SITE_ID=636&STATION_ID=KHOW-AM&TRACK=

Segment 2 - Robert Spencer

http://www.khow.com/cc-common/mediaplayer/player.html?redir=yes&mps=fullshow_boyles.php&mid=http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/18227/podcast/DENVER-CO/KHOW-AM/04062011PETE8A.mp3?CPROG=PCAST&CPROG=RICHMEDIA&MARKET=DENVER-CO&NG_FORMAT=&NG_ID=&OR_NEWSFORMAT=&OWNER=&SERVER_NAME=www.khow.com&SITE_ID=636&STATION_ID=KHOW-AM&TRACK=

Jenson71
04-06-2011, 08:06 AM
Pretty disturbing ritual practiced there. But, same was said for carving off the foreskin of your baby boy's penis. And flagellation has long been a practice of some devoted Catholics seeking penance.

Those pictures represent the extreme, though, and not the norm.

Chiefshrink
04-06-2011, 08:48 AM
Those pictures represent the extreme, though, and not the norm.

You truly are an extreme naivete 'progressive marxist' mid 20's college student idealogue:rolleyes: You have not lived life long enough yet as Churchill once said. And I am not trying to throw rocks for the sake of throwing rocks either:shrug: Your reputation precedes you:thumb:

Comparing circumcision to this heinous act of wishing death upon another tribe of the Muslim religion? Really?:shrug:

Jenson71
04-06-2011, 09:04 AM
You truly are an extreme naivete 'progressive marxist' mid 20's college student idealogue:rolleyes: You have not lived life long enough yet as Churchill once said. And I am not trying to throw rocks for the sake of throwing rocks either:shrug: Your reputation precedes you:thumb:

Comparing circumcision to this heinous act of wishing death upon another tribe of the Muslim religion? Really?:shrug:

I was referring to the head-carving, bleeding freely act performed at these festivals.

Jaric
04-06-2011, 09:09 AM
I was referring to the head-carving, bleeding freely act performed at these festivals.

As suffering and cutting the body with knives or chains (matam) have been prohibited by Shi'a marjas like Ali Khamenei, Supreme Leader of Iran,[16] some Shi'a observe mourning with blood donation which is called "Qame Zani"[16] and flailing.[17] Yet some Shi'ite men and boys, considered heretics by some Muslim scholars, slash themselves with razors (zanjeer) or swords (talwar) and allow their blood to run freely.[18]

Certain rituals like the traditional flagellation ritual called Talwar zani (talwar ka matam) using a sword or zanjeer zani or zanjeer matam, involving the use of a zanjeer (a chain with blades) are also performed.[19] These are religious customs that show solidarity with Husayn and his family. People mourn the fact that they were not present at the battle to fight and save Husayn and his family.[20][21]

Shia commonly believe that taking part in Ashura is to be absolved of sin[citation needed]. A popular Shia saying has it that, `a single tear shed for Husayn washes away a hundred sins.`[22]

Sounds messed up. But hey, as long as they people doing it are consenting, more power to em.

ForeverChiefs58
04-06-2011, 10:01 AM
I bet chainsaws would work better, they should try it.

chiefsnorth
04-06-2011, 10:13 AM
Pretty disturbing ritual practiced there. But, same was said for carving off the foreskin of your baby boy's penis. And flagellation has long been a practice of some devoted Catholics seeking penance.

Those pictures represent the extreme, though, and not the norm.

Here we go on the path to some sort of circumcision/Godwin post... Nice recitation. We all look forward to hearing your takes on anything other than breastfeeding being child abuse and how cloth diapering should be required by law.

You go girlfriend.

Jenson71
04-06-2011, 10:31 AM
Here we go on the path to some sort of circumcision/Godwin post... Nice recitation. We all look forward to hearing your takes on anything other than breastfeeding being child abuse and how cloth diapering should be required by law.

You go girlfriend.

I have no problem with circumcision. But surely, a learned fellow such as yourself knows of the horror the Ancient Romans had for the practice their Jewish subjects and neighbors did. It seems pretty fucking weird, carving the top of your penis off, absent the health possibilities, to an outsider.

Jaric
04-06-2011, 10:35 AM
I have no problem with circumcision. But surely, a learned fellow such as yourself knows of the horror the Ancient Romans had for the practice their Jewish subjects and neighbors did. It seems pretty ****ing weird, carving the top of your penis off, absent the health possibilities, to an outsider.

Well, they did wander the desert for 40 years. You really don't wanna get sand lodged up in between there...