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Iowanian
04-07-2011, 09:33 AM
How legitimate of a candidate is Donald Trump?


My initial reaction when I heard it was "what a joke" and that he's a schmarmy A-hole.


The more I listen to him, actually talk about issues....foreign and fiscal policy, looking out for US interests first, the guys' views sound pretty darn close to mine.

Jenson71
04-07-2011, 09:35 AM
He's not a legitimate presidential candidate. Yet. He needs to first become a Senator or Governor.

mlyonsd
04-07-2011, 09:36 AM
Too much baggage. Plus I don't think he'll actually run.

Rooster
04-07-2011, 09:39 AM
Too much baggage. Plus I don't think he'll actually run.

That's what I think too. Once these political slimeballs start digging dirt up on him it's over.

He's an attention whore. That's all I see.

Iowanian
04-07-2011, 09:44 AM
Fiscally, I do think he would be good for the country. He's lost his ass enough to have learned some lessons, and he does know how to polish a turd into something of value.


I think he's as legit as a guy who stapled fliers to lamp posts in Chicago for a few years.....

I almost laughed about what a joke it was when I heard it, but I've watched a couple of interviews...like the one on the Today show.

The things he's said that make me check "yes" are
"we shouldn't be rebuilding schools in Afganistan that we've already built when we can't build them in Alabama, or New Orleans, or New York"
"We shouldn't go anywhere like Libya unless it's for the oil"
"we should look out for America's interests, period".

That's where I'm at. The United States should be looking out for our own people, our own interests and those of our friends, and not apologize for it. I don't think our economy can stand giving the world a piggy back ride any longer. We've got to remodel our own house, fix our own neighborhoods. We should not use our military unless it is needed, and when we do, we don't half ass it, we dont' care about hearts and minds, we break shit into tiny pieces, and reap some benefit(oil, resources) if we choose to do so.

I'd like to see the country be more fiscally responsible with our budget, stop funding dumb shit that doesn't really help anything or anyone and get our fiscal house in order.

If someone can fix our economy, be more responsible with our military and spending and foreign policy, I don't give a crap about ex wives.

HonestChieffan
04-07-2011, 09:45 AM
He has the ability to ask some very good questions, make some observations and his opinions on what the country needs are no less valid or more valid than anyone else's.

Could he win? Likely not but he can state views that many people have and force the opposition to address the questions or issues.

His passion comes across as pretty honest.

Iowanian
04-07-2011, 09:46 AM
He's an attention whore. That's all I see.


I thought that too. I figured it was a stunt to prop up his tv show or a business or casino....


But the more I listen to him talk....the more I think It's possible I could get behind the guy.
It surprises me to feel that way, but I kind of do.

fan4ever
04-07-2011, 09:46 AM
That's what I think too. Once these political slimeballs start digging dirt up on him it's over.

Yeah, he doesn't have the high level of integrity of our current elected officials.

I think Trump would get a bit of a pass; I don't think people would be too shocked by his past. He's kind of like the gunslinger coming to town to take care of a problem, sleezy reputation and all, and then ride off into the sunset. Can't imagine he'd screw up too much more than Obama.

Do I want him as a candidate?

No. It's been done before and he was called Ross Perot.

fan4ever
04-07-2011, 09:49 AM
It would be fun to see him debating career politicians however; you know this guy would go for the jugular...his business style.

Chief Henry
04-07-2011, 09:50 AM
The "Donald" would shred Obama in a debate about anything related to economics and money. I'm much more interested in Donald after watching and listenening to a few interviews.

wazu
04-07-2011, 09:50 AM
Wow!

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Radar Chief
04-07-2011, 09:52 AM
Iím not interested in him as a presidential candidate, but if my only viable choices wind up being between him and the Teleprompter Iíll vote for the Comb Over.

LiveSteam
04-07-2011, 09:53 AM
Hes not a politician, & that has a lot of appeal to Americans right now. He owes no one nothing= lobbing. He has a real chance. A lot of people like what he has to say. If he has one hitch. Its Gun control.
& yes I would vote for TRUMP in a NY second.

blaise
04-07-2011, 09:53 AM
The "Donald" would shred Obama in a debate about anything related to economics and money. I'm much more interested in Donald after watching and listenening to a few interviews.

I don't think so. Trump could make a lot of noise with commercials and speeches, but I really wouldn't like his chances in a debate with Obama.

blaise
04-07-2011, 09:57 AM
He's not a legitimate presidential candidate. Yet. He needs to first become a Senator or Governor.

I actually disagree with that. I think his best chance would be to go in, try and get a bunch of momentum, and ride a sudden wave of interest. I don't think sitting in the Senate or as Governor of NY would do him much good.

LiveSteam
04-07-2011, 10:02 AM
He's not a legitimate presidential candidate. Yet. He needs to first become a Senator or Governor.

Thats the last GOD DAM THING he needs to do. Thats the last gad dam thing this country needs right now. Another Fucking dickhead politician.
The sooner peeps figure out the god dam Elephant & Donkey are one in the same. The sooner the jig is up, & we can start fixing this fucking mess.

wazu
04-07-2011, 10:06 AM
I don't think so. Trump could make a lot of noise with commercials and speeches, but I really wouldn't like his chances in a debate with Obama.

Come on. He would absolutely destroy Obama in debate. In fact I'm challenged to think of anybody outside of the entertainment realm that he wouldn't destroy in debate.

Radar Chief
04-07-2011, 10:08 AM
Come on. He would absolutely destroy Obama in debate. In fact I'm challenged to think of anybody outside of the entertainment realm that he wouldn't destroy in debate.

Obama is a bit of a stammering stooge once the teleprompter gets unplugged. Trump has no problems clearly stating his mind. I could see Trump flustering Obama into mistakes in a debate.

wazu
04-07-2011, 10:14 AM
Obama is a bit of a stammering stooge once the teleprompter gets unplugged. Trump has no problems clearly stating his mind. I could see Trump flustering Obama into mistakes in a debate.

You could see it in that interview. The way he fired back at that reporter. It's second nature for him. Have you ever seen Obama look that confident in an interview?

durtyrute
04-07-2011, 10:15 AM
He would probably do well, wouldn't change a damn thing that's going on if he were to win, but he might get alot of support, so that's good for something, right?

wazu
04-07-2011, 10:16 AM
He would probably do well, wouldn't change a damn thing that's going on if he were to win, but he might get alot of support, so that's good for something, right?

It will at the very least make the GOP primary debates must-see TV.

durtyrute
04-07-2011, 10:17 AM
It will at the very least make the GOP primary debates must-see TV.

True indeed

chiefsnorth
04-07-2011, 10:17 AM
He's not a legitimate presidential candidate. Yet. He needs to first become a Senator or Governor.

Right. He should spend 3 months in the Senate, then he'd be qualified.

petegz28
04-07-2011, 10:21 AM
I could probably do Trump for 4 years just to slap D.C. in the mouth.

petegz28
04-07-2011, 10:21 AM
Right. He should spend 3 months in the Senate, then he'd be qualified.

And miss out on just about every vote.

The Rick
04-07-2011, 10:22 AM
I don't think so. Trump could make a lot of noise with commercials and speeches, but I really wouldn't like his chances in a debate with Obama.
Really? I could honestly see him holding his own in a debate with Obama...

Chief Henry
04-07-2011, 10:23 AM
Right. He should spend 3 months in the Senate, then he'd be qualified.

2 shay ROFLROFLROFL

Rooster
04-07-2011, 10:23 AM
It will at the very least make the GOP primary debates must-see TV.

Very true.

petegz28
04-07-2011, 10:24 AM
Really? I could honestly see him holding his own in a debate with Obama...

He'd shred Obama in a debate. It wouldn't even be close. Obama would try his "I have a dream" voice and Trump would literally expose him for being an idiot.

chiefsnorth
04-07-2011, 10:24 AM
As far as Trump goes, I don't know if he is the guy, bit he is the KIND of guy we need.

Someone who understands business and wants to foster it, not attack it. Someone who has run something before, who is qualified to hold an executive position. A no-nonsense outsider who doesn't hold loyalty to one party or the other and doesn't care about a political future after 4 or 8 years. He doesn't care what the media says about him or what his enemies say about him. He's a born leader of men.

Presidents surround themselves with a lot of advisors and staff that can help fill in gaps in areas where he isnt experienced. Companies hire CEOs sometimes that are recovery specialists. We need a president who could be a recovery specialist and not one that wants to carve his image and logo on every facet of American life.

Unlike you, we like this country and believe in it. Get the government out of the way and watch what we can do once again. (I digress...)

Trump is still more qualified than the current schlep who'd never spent a full year in a meaningful office and still has never had a successful one.

The Rick
04-07-2011, 10:24 AM
Come on. He would absolutely destroy Obama in debate. In fact I'm challenged to think of anybody outside of the entertainment realm that he wouldn't destroy in debate.
Exactly. And here's proof:

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:)

RubberSponge
04-07-2011, 10:26 AM
Sounds like the scumbag would fit right in with the rest of the scumbags.

Trump has been caught in the 2008 financial crisis as sales for his Trump International Hotel and Tower in Chicago have been lagging and he failed to pay a $40m loan to Deutsche Bank in December.[35] Arguing that the crisis is an Act of God, he evoked a clause in the contract to not pay the loan and initiated a countersuit asserting his image has been damaged.[35] Deutsche Bank has in turn noted in court that 'Trump is no stranger to overdue debt' and that he has twice previously filed for bankruptcy with respect to his casino operations.[35]

On February 17, 2009 Trump Entertainment Resorts filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy; Trump having stated on February 13 that he would resign from the board.[36] Trump Entertainment Resorts has three properties in Atlantic City.

2008 financial crisis is an Act of God? Filed for bankruptcy again a little over 2 yrs ago for the 187th time. Sounds like a brillant choice for President.

LiveSteam
04-07-2011, 10:29 AM
Exactly. And here's proof:

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:)

He doesn't lye

mikey23545
04-07-2011, 10:29 AM
He's not a legitimate presidential candidate. Yet. He needs to first become a Senator or Governor.

Yeah, thank goodness our current CIC was a Senator for about 3 weeks before he launched his presidential campaign...

wazu
04-07-2011, 10:30 AM
Sounds like the scumbag would fit right in with the rest of the scumbags.

2008 financial crisis is an Act of God? Filed for bankruptcy again a little over 2 yrs ago for the 187th time. Sounds like a brillant choice for President.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Nobody is going to care about that stupid crap. There were all kinds of deeply disturbing revelations about Obama that were dismissed by and large by voters.

People know Trump. His brand is what it is. His business dealings are well-documented, and if somebody brings them up in debate or interviews he will absolutely level them just like he did Rosie.

Brock
04-07-2011, 10:32 AM
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Nobody is going to care about that stupid crap. There were all kinds of deeply disturbing revelations about Obama that were dismissed by and large by voters.

People know Trump. His brand is what it is. His business dealings are well-documented, and if somebody brings them up in debate or interviews he will absolutely level them just like he did Rosie.

The fact that he even bothered to involve himself in a feud with Rosie doesn't really make me think he is presidential material. It's embarrassing and stupid.

Radar Chief
04-07-2011, 10:33 AM
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Nobody is going to care about that stupid crap. There were all kinds of deeply disturbing revelations about Obama that were dismissed by and large by voters.

True, but Trump isnít going to have a complicit media to label any opposition as being racially motivated.

chiefsnorth
04-07-2011, 10:34 AM
Sounds like the scumbag would fit right in with the rest of the scumbags.



2008 financial crisis is an Act of God? Filed for bankruptcy again a little over 2 yrs ago for the 187th time. Sounds like a brillant choice for President.

In my opinion it's arguable, as an event totally outside of human control which is the basic idea of the concept.

Certainly he's failed often in business, but succeeded more often. If you never fail or raise eyebrows, you probably aren't taking any risks.

I guess that one of the world's largest banks losing a few bucks on a loan, a bank that by the way laid it's own financial egg in 08/09. While not Lehman bros., their mismanagement caused a lot of financial havoc in Germany. It's an organization that was complicit in the financial crisis like most all other global scale banks were.

SNR
04-07-2011, 10:34 AM
I don't think so. Trump could make a lot of noise with commercials and speeches, but I really wouldn't like his chances in a debate with Obama.Disagree. The man knows how to talk, and he definitely knows how to answer questions. Even if half the time it's hot air, he's direct, confident, and fearless. In fact, of the campaign skills one needs, debating is much more his strong suit than making speeches, I'd say.

Obama beat McCain in all the debates in 2008 because he simply had more energy. In a debate setting where you have lots of gullible people watching, that's just as, if not MORE important than what you actually say on camera.

wazu
04-07-2011, 10:34 AM
The fact that he even bothered to involve himself in a feud with Rosie doesn't really make me think he is presidential material. It's embarrassing and stupid.

Maybe, but it was funny as hell.

chiefsnorth
04-07-2011, 10:37 AM
Disagree. The man knows how to talk, and he definitely knows how to answer questions. Even if half the time it's hot air, he's direct, confident, and fearless. In fact, of the campaign skills one needs, debating is much more his strong suit than making speeches, I'd say.

Obama beat McCain in all the debates in 2008 because he simply had more energy. In a debate setting where you have lots of gullible people watching, that's just as, if not MORE important than what you actually say on camera.

Obama won for two reasons. One, because McCain was a poor choice by Republican primary voters. Two, because people wanted to "be part of history".

BucEyedPea
04-07-2011, 10:39 AM
Anyone can run in this country. The Framers meant to have it this way. Elitist snobs say he has to be a senator or governor. Sure those are good quals but they can also be bad quals depending on the situation.

Mile High Mania
04-07-2011, 10:41 AM
Didn't read the whole thread, but I don't know if I trust him... his recent comments sound good, but he's had a history of praising Pelosi and contributing to liberal dems in 2009 and 2010.

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wazu
04-07-2011, 10:43 AM
Didn't read the whole thread, but I don't know if I trust him... his recent comments sound good, but he's had a history of praising Pelosi and contributing to liberal dems in 2009 and 2010.

Yeah, this whole thing took me by surprise. I had kind of just assumed he was a Democrat. Would need to hear a lot more. Would also want to revisit the thinking behind what you listed.

ClevelandBronco
04-07-2011, 10:50 AM
I think the man would be an absolute disaster. Fortunately, we'll never know.

Mile High Mania
04-07-2011, 10:52 AM
Yeah, this whole thing took me by surprise. I had kind of just assumed he was a Democrat. Would need to hear a lot more. Would also want to revisit the thinking behind what you listed.

I added a YouTube link... lots out there.

LiveSteam
04-07-2011, 10:53 AM
Didn't read the whole thread, but I don't know if I trust him... his recent comments sound good, but he's had a history of praising Pelosi and contributing to liberal dems in 2009 and 2010.

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This guy cant even get Ben Nelson name right. Its Ben not Bill moron

wazu
04-07-2011, 10:54 AM
I think the man would be an absolute disaster. Fortunately, we'll never know.

We already have an absolute unmitigated disaster of a president. It cannot. Literally cannot get any worse.

ClevelandBronco
04-07-2011, 10:57 AM
We already have an absolute unmitigated disaster of a president. It cannot. Literally cannot get any worse.

Disasters are compoundable. Piling one disaster upon another can make the situation much worse, IMO.

Iowanian
04-07-2011, 10:58 AM
I think it would be worth it, just to hear what he would say when Abberjabbercrombijad lipped off about the US.

durtyrute
04-07-2011, 11:00 AM
How often does someone get into power and good things happen. I don't think it would make a bit of difference if he ran. Hell, he could win the whole damn thing and the same shit would still happen.

Chocolate Hog
04-07-2011, 11:10 AM
He did a great job ruining the UFL.

chiefsnorth
04-07-2011, 11:13 AM
He did a great job ruining the UFL.

That's like saying somone who littered after the Chicago fire was ruining the neighborhood.

KC native
04-07-2011, 11:13 AM
I really hate how people attribute business success to Trump. The man would be a nobody if his daddy hadn't left him a ton of money to start with. Then factor in his multiple bankurptcies and it's hard to ee why anyone would hold him up as a business success.

ClevelandBronco
04-07-2011, 11:16 AM
I really hate how people attribute business success to Trump. The man would be a nobody if his daddy hadn't left him a ton of money to start with. Then factor in his multiple bankurptcies and it's hard to ee why anyone would hold him up as a business success.

His experience with bankruptcy might be the only relevant experience he brings to our current situation.

chiefsnorth
04-07-2011, 11:17 AM
Disasters are compoundable. Piling one disaster upon another can make the situation much worse, IMO.

That is true, but we could do a heck of a lot better just by picking someone out of the phone book who understands that business is the engine that made this country the greatest economy the world has ever known, and private enterprise is not the enemy. That one fundamental difference would "change" a whole lot.

chiefsnorth
04-07-2011, 11:18 AM
His experience with bankruptcy might be the only relevant experience he brings to our current situation.

It shows that he can identify when a revenue model is not sustainable, something that Barrio is clueless about.

Rain Man
04-07-2011, 11:27 AM
Recall that Trump had one of his casinos declare bankruptcy solely for the purpose of screwing over his vendors and partners. When he came under fire for declaring bankruptcy for an organization that was salvageable (and indeed, I think it stayed open) and where he had the wealth to close it down honorably and pay his bills, he said something like, "Of course I could have paid it. But declaring bankruptcy was just a debt reduction strategy." And bye-bye to all the small businesses that he stiffed on the bills.

No way, no how does Donald Trump ever get my vote. Ever. He's gotten rich by having no honor and by basically stealing from honorable companies.

I wish I could find the article, but I don't remember exactly which of his bankruptcy filings that was.

wazu
04-07-2011, 11:29 AM
I added a YouTube link... lots out there.

Okay, I listened to the long list of campaign contributions. To be honest, those are virtually meaningless to me considering they were made by a businessman with little to no political caring and unlimited funds. Donating $1,000 to some congressional candidate for somebody like Trump is practically nothing. I assume he plays the game as good as anybody, and unfortunately that's how our system is set up.

A few years ago my company hosted one of the presidential candidates at an event. Shortly thereafter, a number of our top-level execs donated the legal maximum ($2300) to his campaign fund. I would bet several of those execs, if not all of them, didn't even end up voting for him. But the $2300 builds a connection/relationship, and I'm guessing was somewhat expected for the candidate attending the event.

wazu
04-07-2011, 11:30 AM
Recall that Trump had one of his casinos declare bankruptcy solely for the purpose of screwing over his vendors and partners. When he came under fire for declaring bankruptcy for an organization that was salvageable (and indeed, I think it stayed open) and where he had the wealth to close it down honorably and pay his bills, he said something like, "Of course I could have paid it. But declaring bankruptcy was just a debt reduction strategy." And bye-bye to all the small businesses that he stiffed on the bills.

No way, no how does Donald Trump ever get my vote. Ever. He's gotten rich by having no honor and by basically stealing from honorable companies.

I wish I could find the article, but I don't remember exactly which of his bankruptcy filings that was.

Honestly, the most damning thing I've heard about Trump is that he doesn't tip his caddy.

BucEyedPea
04-07-2011, 11:35 AM
Recall that Trump had one of his casinos declare bankruptcy solely for the purpose of screwing over his vendors and partners. When he came under fire for declaring bankruptcy for an organization that was salvageable (and indeed, I think it stayed open) and where he had the wealth to close it down honorably and pay his bills, he said something like, "Of course I could have paid it. But declaring bankruptcy was just a debt reduction strategy." And bye-bye to all the small businesses that he stiffed on the bills.

No way, no how does Donald Trump ever get my vote. Ever. He's gotten rich by having no honor and by basically stealing from honorable companies.

I wish I could find the article, but I don't remember exactly which of his bankruptcy filings that was.

Hmmm....well if he does this to China and a few other places are you really gonna mind?

Jenson71
04-07-2011, 11:36 AM
Yeah, thank goodness our current CIC was a Senator for about 3 weeks before he launched his presidential campaign...

Obama launched his campaign in 2004 at the Democratic National Convention.

chiefsnorth
04-07-2011, 11:39 AM
Obama launched his campaign in 2004 at the Democratic National Convention.

That's true. So he ran on the basis of having given one speech that was well received by an arena filled with partisans.

Jenson71
04-07-2011, 11:41 AM
I actually disagree with that. I think his best chance would be to go in, try and get a bunch of momentum, and ride a sudden wave of interest. I don't think sitting in the Senate or as Governor of NY would do him much good.

Candidates need party support, and getting that comes from having legislative and executive experience. You don't toss aside guys like Romney, Ryan, and Daniels for media stars with a sudden wave of interest. They will always have the edge: I authored this act, I enacted this policy.

An older, more mature Trump with a senatorial term is stronger than his media buzz.

Jenson71
04-07-2011, 11:44 AM
That's true. So he ran on the basis of having given one speech that was well received by an arena filled with partisans.

There was a little more than that. His race and our president were also bases.

wazu
04-07-2011, 11:45 AM
Candidates need party support, and getting that comes from having legislative and executive experience. You don't toss aside guys like Romney, Ryan, and Daniels for media stars with a sudden wave of interest. They will always have the edge: I authored this act, I enacted this policy.

An older, more mature Trump with a senatorial term is stronger than his media buzz.

Well, the whole basis of this story is that he's already polling very well against those big "established" names. Names of guys who lost to a 104-year-old John McCain in 2008. How will he be polling once more people hear him talking like he was in his latest interview?

ClevelandBronco
04-07-2011, 11:46 AM
That's true. So he ran on the basis of having given one speech that was well received by an arena filled with partisans.

It was a great speech delivered by a master of speaking before a friendly audience. He didn't mean a single word he said, as it turns out.

vailpass
04-07-2011, 11:52 AM
I'd like to see trump get a shot on the curren't administration's Cabinet. Let's see what he can do as an advisor; sure as hell can't be worse than the ship of fools obama has assembled.

Jenson71
04-07-2011, 11:53 AM
I'd like to see trump get a shot on the curren't administration's Cabinet. Let's see what he can do as an advisor; sure as hell can't be worse than the ship of fools obama has assembled.

What position is he qualified for?

vailpass
04-07-2011, 11:54 AM
What position is he qualified for?

That is not a criteria for the current cabinet.

Jenson71
04-07-2011, 11:55 AM
That is not a criteria for the current cabinet.

What position would you put him in?

wazu
04-07-2011, 11:55 AM
The rest of the NBC Interview. Actually lowers some more Rosie O'Donnell smack.

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vailpass
04-07-2011, 11:59 AM
What position would you put him in?

In which position would I put him?
All of them.

2bikemike
04-07-2011, 12:02 PM
I used to think of Trump as a joke. But I have read some stuff that he wrote and a lot of what he says makes sense. I believe the majority of folks believe the way I used to that he is a joke. I don't think he stands much chance. I am not too thrilled with the prospects that have been put forward. I fear a rinse and repeat cycle of Obama.

The main problem with a Businessman being in charge is that he would be working with a bunch of carreer politicians. He virtually woudn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of making a differerence. Now if you could replace the whole lot of worthless pukes in the house and senate I believe you would see change.

Jenson71
04-07-2011, 12:03 PM
In which position would I put him?
All of them.

That would be really stupid.

vailpass
04-07-2011, 12:04 PM
That would be really stupid.

Janet Napolitano approves that message.

Jenson71
04-07-2011, 12:07 PM
The rest of the NBC Interview. Actually lowers some more Rosie O'Donnell smack.

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LMAO

"I will be the best ever!!!"

The more he talks, the less presidential he becomes. We thought Richard Nixon had an ego.

ClevelandBronco
04-07-2011, 12:08 PM
I used to think of Trump as a joke. But I have read some stuff that he wrote and a lot of what he says makes sense. I believe the majority of folks believe the way I used to that he is a joke. I don't think he stands much chance. I am not too thrilled with the prospects that have been put forward. I fear a rinse and repeat cycle of Obama.

The main problem with a Businessman being in charge is that he would be working with a bunch of carreer politicians. He virtually woudn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of making a differerence. Now if you could replace the whole lot of worthless pukes in the house and senate I believe you would see change.

I think one of his biggest problems would be that no one in the legislative branch would be required to give a shit what Boss Trump would have to say.

Jenson71
04-07-2011, 12:11 PM
Janet Napolitano approves that message.

I know you meant 'any of them,' but still, he's not more qualified to be the Secretary of State than Hilary Clinton, or the Attorney General than Eric Holder, or the Secretary of Defense than Robert Gates. You might not like Napolitano, but she had experience governing a state that significantly dealt with the border issue, which is essential for the DHS.

wazu
04-07-2011, 12:13 PM
LMAO

"I will be the best ever!!!"

The more he talks, the less presidential he becomes. We thought Richard Nixon had an ego.

Is that an actual quote? I heard "I will be better than anybody", but there's a big difference.

vailpass
04-07-2011, 12:15 PM
I know you meant 'any of them,' but still, he's not more qualified to be the Secretary of State than Hilary Clinton, or the Attorney General than Eric Holder, or the Secretary of Defense than Robert Gates. You might not like Napolitano, but she had experience governing a state that significantly dealt with the border issue, which is essential for the DHS.

It should be clear that I am expressing my extreme dissatisfction with obama's appointees as a whole.

Do you really want to try and explain Manet Napolitano to me? I've lived in AZ for 10 years. Saying she had experience with border issues is like saying the captain of the Valdeez had experience with safe boating issues.

Jenson71
04-07-2011, 12:17 PM
Is that an actual quote? I heard "I will be better than anybody", but there's a big difference.

Explain the difference.

Jenson71
04-07-2011, 12:20 PM
It should be clear that I am expressing my extreme dissatisfction with obama's appointees as a whole.

Do you really want to try and explain Manet Napolitano to me? I've lived in AZ for 10 years. Saying she had experience with border issues is like saying the captain of the Valdeez had experience with safe boating issues.

I know you are, and I don't think you know much of what his appointees have done that makes them so bad.

Napolitano was the attorney general and governor of Arizona. She significantly dealt with the border issue, the policies behind it, and the law governing it. That's why she was chosen as Secretary.

Donald Trump, on the other hand, has zero experience in that area.

vailpass
04-07-2011, 12:22 PM
I know you are, and I don't think you know much of what his appointees have done that makes them so bad.

Napolitano was the attorney general and governor of Arizona. She significantly dealt with the border issue, the policies behind it, and the law governing it. That's why she was chosen as Secretary.

Donald Trump, on the other hand, has zero experience in that area.

Your 1L is showing kid. You'll be a little more polished by the end of 2.

wazu
04-07-2011, 12:23 PM
Explain the difference.

To say he'd be "the best ever" means he thinks he'll be better than Washington, Lincoln, Reagan, etc. To say he'll be "better than anybody" means he'll be better than Romney, Huckabee, or Obama. Pretty big difference there.

Jenson71
04-07-2011, 12:25 PM
Your 1L is showing kid. You'll be a little more polished by the end of 2.

And if I make you look this bad now, just imagine then.

vailpass
04-07-2011, 12:25 PM
And if I make you look this bad now, just imagine then.

LMAO

Ah to be young again.

Jenson71
04-07-2011, 12:26 PM
To say he'd be "the best ever" means he thinks he'll be better than Washington, Lincoln, Reagan, etc. To say he'll be "better than anybody" means he'll be better than Romney, Huckabee, or Obama. Pretty big difference there.

You're right. It's ambiguous. I took it that he meant "better than anybody [who was ever president]" because he said right before that "I wanted Obama to be the greatest president ever."

Chocolate Hog
04-07-2011, 12:29 PM
That's like saying somone who littered after the Chicago fire was ruining the neighborhood.

Joke




^^^^^^^^^^
chiefsnorth

go bowe
04-07-2011, 12:32 PM
What position would you put him in?

either missionary or doggy style, i can't decide...

Iowanian
04-07-2011, 12:37 PM
To be considered serious in the big event, he'd have to be paired with someone with a very strong foreign affairs background I think, someone capable of dealing the issues that are sensitive and require delicate language....

I'm not a huge Trump pimp, and I'm aware of his financial landmines, however I do think he's shown multiple times how to dig his empire out of trouble and come out on top...and in our current state of affairs for the last decade, I think that is a good tool set. I wonder if China would mind if he used his past business financial exit strategies to clear our account of debts.........

Jenson....Eisenhower was never a politician. There are more examples.


I don't think I'd like Trump in person...I don't think he's the kind of guy I would want to drink beer with other than the novelty. Right now, I think I'm just yearning for an American President who doesn't tiptoe around the world on egg shells, who isn't afraid to say he's proud to be an American and to look out for American interests and if you don't like it...take a flying marital act after a rolling doughnut.

There really isn't anyone else in the field right now that even has my attention.

Iowanian
04-07-2011, 12:38 PM
either missionary or doggy style, i can't decide...

You're democrat enough to enjoy the tummy sticks, you would probably be best suited for missionary.

morphius
04-07-2011, 12:52 PM
Recall that Trump had one of his casinos declare bankruptcy solely for the purpose of screwing over his vendors and partners. When he came under fire for declaring bankruptcy for an organization that was salvageable (and indeed, I think it stayed open) and where he had the wealth to close it down honorably and pay his bills, he said something like, "Of course I could have paid it. But declaring bankruptcy was just a debt reduction strategy." And bye-bye to all the small businesses that he stiffed on the bills.

No way, no how does Donald Trump ever get my vote. Ever. He's gotten rich by having no honor and by basically stealing from honorable companies.

I wish I could find the article, but I don't remember exactly which of his bankruptcy filings that was.
Same reason I refuse to pay the guy any real attention.

go bowe
04-07-2011, 12:53 PM
You're democrat enough to enjoy the tummy sticks, you would probably be best suited for missionary.i'm not really a democrat, i just sound like one... :p :p :p

InChiefsHell
04-07-2011, 12:57 PM
I think one of his biggest problems would be that no one in the legislative branch would be required to give a shit what Boss Trump would have to say.

This is true of any President. Just look at what's happening to Barry now. What it takes is a dynamic leader who has the ear of the PEOPLE. Trump may be that guy. He has a straight shooting way about him. He's gruff, cocky and maybe mean, but he's got convictions that he's not afraid to declare and he's NOT a politician. He's enough to make people curious right now, we'll have to see how it unfolds. But I confess myself interested in what he has to say...which is more than I'd say about any of the other guys out there right now.

LiveSteam
04-07-2011, 01:02 PM
Ted Nugent as Trumps running mate.

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Brock
04-07-2011, 01:04 PM
This is true of any President. Just look at what's happening to Barry now. What it takes is a dynamic leader who has the ear of the PEOPLE. Trump may be that guy. He has a straight shooting way about him. He's gruff, cocky and maybe mean, but he's got convictions that he's not afraid to declare and he's NOT a politician. He's enough to make people curious right now, we'll have to see how it unfolds. But I confess myself interested in what he has to say...which is more than I'd say about any of the other guys out there right now.

He's also already a well known lying, slimy piece of shit, so it wouldn't be a surprise to anyone when he acted like one.

InChiefsHell
04-07-2011, 01:10 PM
He's also already a well known lying, slimy piece of shit, so it wouldn't be a surprise to anyone when he acted like one.

And yet many are surprised to find that Obama also fits that description, and it just shouldn't be a surprise to anyone...

chiefsnorth
04-07-2011, 01:42 PM
I sort of laugh when I remember the days when it was said that Joe Biden enhanced the Obama ticket because he provided all this sound expert experience and leadership, as a seasoned Washington guy, a foreign policy specialist, and all of this. The guy is lucky to get through a day without making the late night comics' monologues or locking himself in a closet somewhere. It would be a wash with Obama to have someone who was hopelessly inept on foreign policy. Not that we should strive for that, but it'd be no worse.

mlyonsd
04-07-2011, 02:45 PM
WASHINGTON -- Real estate tycoon Donald Trump said Thursday he has doubts about whether President Obama (http://www.foxnews.com/topics/politics/obama-administration/barack-obama.htm#r_src=ramp) was born in the United States (http://www.foxnews.com/topics/u.s.htm#r_src=ramp) and has sent investigators to Hawaii looking for answers....


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/07/trump-sends-investigators-hawaii-gains-gop-presidential-primary-poll/?test=latestnews#

LiveSteam
04-07-2011, 02:50 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/07/trump-sends-investigators-hawaii-gains-gop-presidential-primary-poll/?test=latestnews#

If Obama was born hear? Then show your dam certificate already. He wont,cause he cant ,cause he was born in Kenya.
But my favorite Obama lye. Is how his dad was a bad ass US solder in WWII.

Jenson71
04-07-2011, 03:09 PM
Trump is no Eisenhower. The Cold War was warming up, and the Korean War was irritating. Eisenhower, the great commander of the Allies and NATO, a candidate? That's an easy choice.

Plus, Eisenhower's lead of the Allied generals was masterful, maybe as skilled as Lincoln's lead of his Team of Rivals. Trump has never done anything 1/10 as important as Eisenhower there.

vailpass
04-07-2011, 03:11 PM
Trump is no Eisenhower. The Cold War was warming up, and the Korean War was irritating. Eisenhower, the great commander of the Allies and NATO, a candidate? That's an easy choice.

Plus, Eisenhower's lead of the Allied generals was masterful, maybe as skilled as Lincoln's lead of his Team of Rivals. Trump has never done anything 1/10 as important as Eisenhower there.

True. But what living candidate has?

LiveSteam
04-07-2011, 03:14 PM
Trump is no Eisenhower. The Cold War was warming up, and the Korean War was irritating. Eisenhower, the great commander of the Allies and NATO, a candidate? That's an easy choice.

Plus, Eisenhower's lead of the Allied generals was masterful, maybe as skilled as Lincoln's lead of his Team of Rivals. Trump has never done anything 1/10 as important as Eisenhower there.

DUDE, SHUT UP! Tmjohnson21


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InChiefsHell
04-07-2011, 03:14 PM
Trump is no Eisenhower. The Cold War was warming up, and the Korean War was irritating. Eisenhower, the great commander of the Allies and NATO, a candidate? That's an easy choice.

Plus, Eisenhower's lead of the Allied generals was masterful, maybe as skilled as Lincoln's lead of his Team of Rivals. Trump has never done anything 1/10 as important as Eisenhower there.

Again, Obama is PROOF that you don't have to have any discernible experience doing anything of note in order to become president. Trump has more life experience and more experience in leadership and finance in his little finger than does Obama.

If Obama can become president, then ANYONE can become president.

Jenson71
04-07-2011, 03:15 PM
True. But what living candidate has?

None. But I'm comparing non-politicians. It's hard to find a President, other than Eisenhower, who entered the White House without a record as Congressmen, Senator, Governor, or Vice-President. The last guy was Hoover, I think, but even he was Secretary of Commerce under two presidential terms.

Jenson71
04-07-2011, 03:16 PM
If Obama was born hear? Then show your dam certificate already. He wont,cause he cant ,cause he was born in Kenya.
But my favorite Obama lye. Is how his dad was a bad ass US solder in WWII.

Are you doing some sort of Colbert satire?

Jenson71
04-07-2011, 03:22 PM
Again, Obama is PROOF that you don't have to have any discernible experience doing anything of note in order to become president. Trump has more life experience and more experience in leadership and finance in his little finger than does Obama.

If Obama can become president, then ANYONE can become president.

Not true. Although Obama's experience was very brief, being elected to the United States Senate was significant. But beyond that, his racial background shot him into the limelight, and his demeanor kept him there, and the Bush presidency propelled Democratic victory.

I don't think one can say Trump has more life experience, but he definitely has more leadership and finance experience. It was projected that Obama would make a great leader. The country was willing to see that his experience came while in the White House. A bold move, and it won't happen unless the candidate is rare. Obama is rare.

FishingRod
04-07-2011, 03:30 PM
I really Don't like the guy. I think he is a bit of a Jackass and most certainly an attention whore but, I have never thought he was stupid and he actually knows what it takes to make a business work. He would be no worse than the last 4 POUS we have had. I mean seriously, Did Clinton, Bush II, or Obama ever accomplish anything from a business sense prior to becoming President? Why would having someone who operated and succeeded in the real world not be worthy of consideration for the Job.

Chocolate Hog
04-07-2011, 04:23 PM
I'd vote for this guy.

Iowanian
04-07-2011, 05:10 PM
Trump is no Eisenhower. The Cold War was warming up, and the Korean War was irritating. Eisenhower, the great commander of the Allies and NATO, a candidate? That's an easy choice.

Plus, Eisenhower's lead of the Allied generals was masterful, maybe as skilled as Lincoln's lead of his Team of Rivals. Trump has never done anything 1/10 as important as Eisenhower there.

You indicated that one needed to be a Governor or Senator to be an effective POTUS, and I pulled my Eisenhower pokemon to prove your theory has a hole in it.

You're suggesting that the only reason Eisenhower made sense was because of his extensive and distinguished military experience and that we were preparing to be pulled into Korea. A military President to run our nation during a war.

Ok, Chief, no riddle me this. For the past 6 years or so, our Nation has been in pretty deep financial doodoo. We're staring down the barrel of an economic, job, business crisis that Obama is making worse and proving to be a bumbling idiot.

Given your logic for Eisenhower, how can you not now argue that the best option to lead us in this economic battle, be a proven business man, who has both lost his ass(as the country is now, thereby demonstrating experience with our most pressing problem) and then rebuilt his empire...

riddle me that, young Jenson.

Bewbies
04-07-2011, 05:27 PM
I can't imagine voting for the guy, but he's out there right now laying the blueprint for how to take it to Obama.

Jenson71
04-07-2011, 05:34 PM
You indicated that one needed to be a Governor or Senator to be an effective POTUS, and I pulled my Eisenhower pokemon to prove your theory has a hole in it.

I never said that one needed to be a Governor or Senator or Congressmen to be an effective POTUS. I said that one needed that on their resume to be a serious candidate.

You're suggesting that the only reason Eisenhower made sense was because of his extensive and distinguished military experience and that we were preparing to be pulled into Korea. A military President to run our nation during a war.

That's not the only reason he made sense, but that was a huge part of why he made sense. Between him and Stevenson, it was an easy choice.

Ok, Chief, no riddle me this. For the past 6 years or so, our Nation has been in pretty deep financial doodoo. We're staring down the barrel of an economic, job, business crisis that Obama is making worse and proving to be a bumbling idiot.

Given your logic for Eisenhower, how can you not now argue that the best option to lead us in this economic battle, be a proven business man, who has both lost his ass(as the country is now, thereby demonstrating experience with our most pressing problem) and then rebuilt his empire...

riddle me that, young Jenson.

Again, I'm not saying Trump would be a horrible president. I'm just saying I don't think he's a legit candidate now. But I will say that your reasoning is a rational outlook towards who should be voted to the presidency.

Jenson71
04-07-2011, 05:36 PM
And between Romney and Trump, Romney seems to me like the better businessman.

alnorth
04-07-2011, 06:21 PM
Trump is a very strange wild card. His ability to think on his feet and respond to curve balls while bantering with an opponent or a tough interview is absolutely excellent. Obama would give a better scripted speech, but very few people on the entire planet are more skilled in a bloody verbal fistfight than Trump. If he comes to Iowa, I'll definitely go check him out.

I wish I could graft that ability and charisma Trump has onto Pawlenty or Romney. Trump will likely win every debate, his problem is experience and a whole hell of a lot of baggage.

HonestChieffan
04-07-2011, 06:34 PM
None. But I'm comparing non-politicians. It's hard to find a President, other than Eisenhower, who entered the White House without a record as Congressmen, Senator, Governor, or Vice-President. The last guy was Hoover, I think, but even he was Secretary of Commerce under two presidential terms.

Grant?

Chiefspants
04-07-2011, 06:52 PM
If Obama was born hear? Then show your dam certificate already. He wont,cause he cant ,cause he was born in Kenya.
But my favorite Obama lye. Is how his dad was a bad ass US solder in WWII.

1. Kenya was not a country during Obama's birth.

2. His grandfather served in WWII.

I'm not into Obamarama, but this conservative circle jerk frenzy on the location of his birth needs to end, if anything, it distracts from Obama's actual shortcomings as President of the United States.

Iowanian
04-07-2011, 06:53 PM
I pretty much despise Romney.

wazu
04-07-2011, 06:55 PM
I pretty much despise Romney.

Why?

alnorth
04-07-2011, 07:05 PM
Why?

The usual reasons are either 1) Mormon (no one ever admits it) or 2) Romneycare (a legit reason to not like him, and what nearly all Romney-bashers go to)

Romney is a very deeply flawed candidate. The fact that he's the front-runner ahead of Trump and that idiot, the Huckaboom, is a concern.

Sannyasi
04-07-2011, 07:06 PM
Trump is a very strange wild card. His ability to think on his feet and respond to curve balls while bantering with an opponent or a tough interview is absolutely excellent. Obama would give a better scripted speech, but very few people on the entire planet are more skilled in a bloody verbal fistfight than Trump. If he comes to Iowa, I'll definitely go check him out.

I wish I could graft that ability and charisma Trump has onto Pawlenty or Romney. Trump will likely win every debate, his problem is experience and a whole hell of a lot of baggage.

Trump is a very skilled demagogue. Even if Trump ran a respectful and dignified campaign, he would still end up being just another sideshow. Its the very last thing we need, in my opinion.

wazu
04-07-2011, 07:17 PM
The usual reasons are either 1) Mormon (no one ever admits it) or 2) Romneycare (a legit reason to not like him, and what nearly all Romney-bashers go to)

Romney is a very deeply flawed candidate. The fact that he's the front-runner ahead of Trump and that idiot, the Huckaboom, is a concern.

Romney was able to articulate fiscally conservative principles during the 2008 primary better than any candidate outside of Ron Paul. The only real flaw I see in Romney is that he lacks charisma. Seems too slick. While that matters, I think he would most likely do a good job as President.

Chief Henry
04-08-2011, 01:32 PM
Who would make a good running mate for The Donald ? Are you thinking someone non traditional like Donald or someone who is already a politician ?

LiveSteam
04-08-2011, 01:37 PM
Who would make a good running mate for The Donald ? Are you thinking someone non traditional like Donald or someone who is already a politician ?

The motor city mad man. Go balls to the walls.

LOCOChief
04-08-2011, 01:38 PM
Trump is a very strange wild card. His ability to think on his feet and respond to curve balls while bantering with an opponent or a tough interview is absolutely excellent. Obama would give a better scripted speech, but very few people on the entire planet are more skilled in a bloody verbal fistfight than Trump. If he comes to Iowa, I'll definitely go check him out.

I wish I could graft that ability and charisma Trump has onto Pawlenty or Romney. Trump will likely win every debate, his problem is experience and a whole hell of a lot of baggage.

If you were looking for someone to win a debate it would be gingrich all day everyday.

If you want someone who is ellectable then you have to take Romney

Direckshun
04-08-2011, 07:30 PM
How legitimate of a candidate is Donald Trump?

My initial reaction when I heard it was "what a joke" and that he's a schmarmy A-hole.

The more I listen to him, actually talk about issues....foreign and fiscal policy, looking out for US interests first, the guys' views sound pretty darn close to mine.

I think you two were made for each other.

Amnorix
04-08-2011, 08:52 PM
I'm thinking he'd end up Bertusconi (sp?), an international embarassment.

Those who think Obama can't debate are forgetting his performing extremely well in debating the Republicans when it was 200 against 1 or whatever.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/obama-house-republicans-debate-their-divisions/

ROYC75
04-08-2011, 09:20 PM
I think you two were made for each other.

You have a problem with someone claiming their views are similar ?

Not everybody can be a Dieckshun, Thank goodness.

Bewbies
04-09-2011, 12:03 AM
Honestly, if Romney is the best we can do against Jimmy Carter God save us all.

BigCatDaddy
04-13-2011, 11:49 AM
Looks very legitimate.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theticket/20110412/el_yblog_theticket/donald-trump-tops-new-2012-poll-as-he-steps-up-outreach-to-gop-conservatives

Donald Trump is gaining more momentum ahead of his potential 2012 presidential run.

A new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll out today finds Trump tied with Mike Huckabee atop the field of potential GOP White House contenders. According to the poll, Trump and Huckabee both garner 19 percent support among likely GOP voters. Sarah Palin comes in second, with 12 percent, while Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich are tied atthird, with 11 percent support each.

That's a significant drop for Romney, who was at 18 percent support in CNN's poll last month. The poll echoes the findings of a NBC/Wall Street Journal poll last week that found Trump bouncing into second place among likely contenders, tied with Huckabee.

All of this comes as Trump steps up his 2012 maneuvering, especially among social conservatives who seem unhappy with the current field of GOP contenders.

The New York investor-turned-reality-TV-star talked up his conservative credentials in an interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network's David Brody and admitted he's recently had conversations with top evangelical leaders, including former Christian Coalition head Ralph Reed and the Family Research Council's Tony Perkins.

As The Ticket reported last month, Reed and Perkins have admitted they are intrigued by Trump's stances against abortion and gay marriage. They've suggested his positions might be enough to overcome negatives with evangelical voters, including Trump's past divorces and his role in the gambling industry.

In an interview with Brody, Trump also discussed his Christian faith, saying he strongly believes in God and saves Bibles that people send him. He said that he became pro-life after witnessing a friend and his wife decide to keep a child that at first they didn't want.

"He ends up having the baby and the baby is the apple of his eye. It's the greatest thing that's ever happened to him," Trump told CBN. "And you know here's a baby that wasn't going to be let into life. And I heard this, and some other stories, and I am pro-life."

In another position that's sure to gain attention in the GOP, Trump claims in the interview there's a "Muslim problem" in the United States and openly questions whether it's prompted by the teachings in the Koran.

"I'm certainly not an expert, to put it mildly, but there's something there that teaches some very negative vibe…There's a lot of hatred there," he told CBN. "Now I don't know if that's from the Koran, I don't know if that's from someplace else. But there's tremendous hatred out there that I've never seen anything like it."

Still, for all of his obvious attempts to appeal to the GOP's most conservative voters, Trump also suggested that the GOP's focus in 2012 should be on electability, not on finding a candidate who toes the movement line on social issues.

"You know you can't get so caught up on social issues and then put somebody who is wonderful socially but is going to get decimated by Barack Obama," Trump said. "You have to pick somebody that's going to win."

Brock
04-13-2011, 12:04 PM
Well....he's better than Palin....I guess.

InChiefsHell
04-13-2011, 12:11 PM
I'm listening to this idiot president right now...anyone is better than this empty suit POS.

Radar Chief
04-13-2011, 12:35 PM
Well....he's better than Palin....I guess.

Palin is easier to look at, Trump is easier to listen to. Thatís about all Iíve got.

InChiefsHell
04-13-2011, 12:45 PM
Palin is easier to look at, Trump is easier to listen to. Thatís about all Iíve got.

So, the perfect Republican candidate...Trumplin!!

RedNeckRaider
04-13-2011, 01:04 PM
I like most of what I have heard from him, but I donít think he is electable~

orange
04-13-2011, 01:46 PM
Cantor not sold on Trump's presidential aspirations
By: CNN's Laura Klairmont


Washington (CNN) - House Majority Leader Eric Cantor says Donald Trump is not "really serious" about being a 2012 presidential candidate because of his focus on the issue of President Barack Obama's birthplace.

Trump is not the Republican party's answer to winning the 2012 presidential election, Cantor told CNN's American Morning on Wednesday. "I don't think he is really serious, when we launch a campaign, a campaign launched on the birther issue, " Cantor said.

"It's very early on in the political season. I think that there's some very weighty issues that we're going to have to tackle," Cantor said. "What the American people are going to look for in a candidate for president in 2012 is I think someone who can be honest with the American people and face facts as far as the debt problem is concerned and lay out there what we're trying to do as Republicans in congress."

In a new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll released Tuesday, Trump and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee tied for first when Republicans were asked who they would support for the 2012 GOP presidential nomination.

High poll numbers aside, Cantor joins a list of politicos on both sides of the aisle predicting a negative future for Trump's presidential aspirations.

Republican Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour shrugged off the poll results on Tuesday, surmising that Trump aced the polls because unlike other GOP hopefuls, he is already a household name.

White House senior adviser David Plouffe told ABC's "This Week" Sunday that Donald Trump has "zero chance" of being elected president.

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Direckshun
04-13-2011, 01:49 PM
The Republican establishment cannot stand Trump, nor should they.

They should be chasing him off with a broom.

The Fox News/Tea Party establishment... well. The GOP establishment lost control of them a couple years ago.

They're learning that when you try to surf a destructive tidal wave, it may take you high initially, but it's going to smash the shit out of you once it reaches the mainland.

RedNeckRaider
04-13-2011, 02:26 PM
The Republican establishment cannot stand Trump, nor should they.

They should be chasing him off with a broom.

The Fox News/Tea Party establishment... well. The GOP establishment lost control of them a couple years ago.

They're learning that when you try to surf a destructive tidal wave, it may take you high initially, but it's going to smash the shit out of you once it reaches the mainland.

Extremely ironic from someone who who supports an ideology looking for a much larger tidal wave to surf. The fact you of all people can make an observation like this and are still be able to look in a mirror long enough to brush your teeth is astounding. Smart money says you have bad breath and a full beard as someone with your beliefs does not look in a mirror. That or you brush your teeth and shave in the dark~

ClevelandBronco
04-13-2011, 02:38 PM
...All of this comes as Trump steps up his 2012 maneuvering, especially among social conservatives who seem unhappy with the current field of GOP contenders...

IMO, this is nothing more than wishful thinking on the part of both social conservatives and The Donald.

..."I don't think he is really serious, when we launch a campaign, a campaign launched on the birther issue, " Cantor said...

I would suggest to Mr. Cantor that he should never let the word "birther" escape his lips again. It's as thoughtless as calling supply-side economics "trickle down."

VAChief
04-13-2011, 03:49 PM
I would suggest to Mr. Cantor that he should never let the word "birther" escape his lips again. It's as thoughtless as calling supply-side economics "trickle down."

I agree, why invent new terms when "idiotic" continues to fit the bill just fine. "Trickle down" always bothered me too, anyone with a brain knows it was really "Suck it up.":p

ClevelandBronco
04-13-2011, 06:09 PM
I agree, why invent new terms when "idiotic" continues to fit the bill just fine. "Trickle down" always bothered me too, anyone with a brain knows it was really "Suck it up.":p

What's more important for Mr. Cantor is "kissing up." Regardless of the truth, many of Mr.Cantor's constituents believe that Mr. Obama has some explaining to do.