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Archie F. Swin
04-11-2011, 08:30 PM
I suppose I've been paying closer attention seeing that I've been a Sonata owner for the last 5 years. But I remember when Hyundai, 15-20 years ago, had a reputation on par with the Yugo. Hyundai was the punch line to a joke, it was a negative analogy. I think its truly remarkable how the company has created a strong, new identity for itself, in large part due to its American manufacturing. I can't help but think that Nissan, Toyota & Honda are really concerned with the impact Hyundai is making on their market. Back in '05 the Hyundai logo wasn't commonly seen in my quiet little nook of north Texas. Now, I'll pass six or seven walking down a single isle, toward the door at wal mart. And they don't even make pickups!

LiveSteam
04-11-2011, 08:31 PM
Hyundais are American made cars ?

BigMeatballDave
04-11-2011, 08:33 PM
Hyundai and Kia have come a long way.

BigMeatballDave
04-11-2011, 08:33 PM
Hyundais are American made cars ?Korean

Phobia
04-11-2011, 08:33 PM
They're apparently doing much better with quality.

Demonpenz
04-11-2011, 08:34 PM
the sonata looks and the inside is nice

LiveSteam
04-11-2011, 08:37 PM
Korean

I would really like to see more American made cars on the road. I would like to see more America made products period.

JASONSAUTO
04-11-2011, 08:37 PM
They have really upped their product the last few years.

And some of them have quite a bit of get up and go.
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JD10367
04-11-2011, 08:38 PM
At one time Toyota was a joke. Same for Datsun (Nissan). Kia is also gaining in stature.

Rain Man
04-11-2011, 08:40 PM
i'm curious how the asian tigers would fare if they had to front the cost for innovation instead of reverse-engineering western products. not just cars, but everything.
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RJ
04-11-2011, 08:45 PM
My wife drives a Santa Fe and we like it quite well. Hyundai today is where Honda once was. I think their prices will jump much higher over the next few years.

Bacon Cheeseburger
04-11-2011, 08:45 PM
As far as I know they're decent cars. With that said, I wouldn't fucking buy one.

bevischief
04-11-2011, 08:46 PM
All non American car companies make the final assembly in USA to avoid tariffs and taxes on finished goods to protect the USA car manufacturers.

Archie F. Swin
04-11-2011, 08:47 PM
Hyundais are American made cars ?

Hyundai is a South Korean Company but they have a huge plant in Alabama. (Montgomery I think). The man that leads the factory there claims the Sonata is engineered to a 1/1,000 of an inch.

BigMeatballDave
04-11-2011, 08:51 PM
The man that leads the factory there claims the Sonata is engineered to a 1/1,000 of an inch.What did he mean by this? I ask because I'm a CNC Machinist, and .001" really isnt that precise.

Demonpenz
04-11-2011, 08:53 PM
What did he mean by this? I ask because I'm a CNC Machinist, and .001" really isnt that precise.

Featuring freedom williams?

BigMeatballDave
04-11-2011, 08:54 PM
Featuring freedom williams?LMAO

Gonna make you sweat til you bleed

Archie F. Swin
04-11-2011, 08:54 PM
What did he mean by this?

I don't think he was being critical.

GloryDayz
04-11-2011, 09:05 PM
While in North Dakota last week, I rented an Accent. It was the first car I've driven in 20 years without electric windows and power locks. It was AWESOME. We all had to re-learn how to lock our doors and roll-down a window. Other than having few modern creature comforts, it was a fine car to drive. At the end of the week the price to fill it was nice compared to my truck... But I doubt I'll buy one, it was just fun..

BryanBusby
04-11-2011, 10:19 PM
My wife drives a Santa Fe and we like it quite well. Hyundai today is where Honda once was.

It really is amazing how low the quality of Hondas have dropped the last few years.

If I were in the market for a new sports car, I'd look at Hyundai Genesis first.

blaise
04-11-2011, 10:29 PM
I read an article about them a few years ago that said they kept getting low ratings by JD Power, so they went to JD Power and said, "Tell is what we need to do to have a good ranking," and they tailored their changes to that.

WV
04-11-2011, 10:43 PM
At one time Toyota was a joke. Same for Datsun (Nissan). Kia is also gaining in stature.

I don't ever remember Toyota being a joke outside of the typical small Japanese car stigma.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-11-2011, 11:05 PM
What did he mean by this? I ask because I'm a CNC Machinist, and .001" really isnt that precise.

I don't suppose there is any way that you could cut some wicked awesome grooves into a sand wedge for me?

OnTheWarpath58
04-11-2011, 11:05 PM
I don't suppose there is any way that you could cut some wicked awesome grooves into a sand wedge for me?

LMAO

mikeyis4dcats.
04-12-2011, 07:47 AM
we have a Santa Fe and like it quite a bit.

JD10367
04-12-2011, 07:50 AM
I don't ever remember Toyota being a joke outside of the typical small Japanese car stigma.

Way back. When they first started making them, they used to rust out faster than you could blink (because they were made with cheap postwar recycled steel or something). Only in the 80s did the Japanese car companies start to make headway and became more respectable.

JD10367
04-12-2011, 07:50 AM
As far as I know they're decent cars. With that said, I wouldn't ****ing buy one.

Why not?

Simplex3
04-12-2011, 07:55 AM
I would really like to see more American made cars on the road. I would like to see more America made products period.

So you'd like to see more Toyotas?

http://www.dailytech.com/Study+Toyota+is+More+American+Than+GM+Ford+Chrysler/article15618.htm

Brock
04-12-2011, 08:45 AM
What did he mean by this? I ask because I'm a CNC Machinist, and .001" really isnt that precise.

On a machined detail, .001 may not be that precise. On a manufactured assembly line item like a car? To say that every part bolted on to it is within .001 of design is not believeable.

bringbackmarty
04-12-2011, 08:45 AM
I'm on my second Hyundai, first was a Santa fe, I now have an entourage (which they discontinued). Hyundai sonata has more American made components than the chevy impala. Conservatively engineered, but nice solid cars for the money. Great initial quality. I beat the holy crap out of the Santa fe, and she still wouldn't quit. Free willful over streetcar tracks in new Orleans, delivering pizzas, infrequent oil changes. That thing just took it.

Valiant
04-12-2011, 08:54 AM
They are cheaper with more options then their rivals is my understanding. Same reason why ford is surging and chevy is lagging.

On that, what hapened to the huge chevy fan? Rex was it? Or was he a dupe or astroturfing for chevy.

chiefsnorth
04-12-2011, 08:57 AM
They make nice cars. Quality isn't a joke anymore.

They were brilliant with the Sonata, something more like a luxury car priced along side their competitors' boring "family cars"

chiefsnorth
04-12-2011, 09:00 AM
They are cheaper with more options then their rivals is my understanding. Same reason why ford is surging and chevy is lagging.

On that, what hapened to the huge chevy fan? Rex was it? Or was he a dupe or astroturfing for chevy.

Ford is doing a nice job and has been making higher quality vehicles the last 5+ years. GM had to go bankrupt to figure out that ever more corner cutting and new lookalike SUVs wasn't the answer.

I'd buy a new Ford but I've sworn GM off forever after the lies and deceit around the Volt/bailout

eazyb81
04-12-2011, 09:00 AM
Has anyone driven a Genesis? They look pretty bad ass.

sedated
04-12-2011, 09:03 AM
It really is amazing how low the quality of Hondas have dropped the last few years.

If I were in the market for a new sports car, I'd look at Hyundai Genesis first.

I loved the Genesis Coupe. Was close to pulling the trigger, but the only one in KC was at f**king Carmax, I refuse to buy from those scam-artists.

Kia’s new cars are great. They got the lead designer from Audi a few years back, and the difference is starting to pay off. I love the look of the new Optima


<img src="http://media.il.edmunds-media.com/kia/optima/2011/fd/2011_kia_optima_f34_fd_902104_717.jpg">

shitgoose
04-12-2011, 09:05 AM
My wife has a Sonata. We test drove an Altima, Accord, and a Malibu. The Sonota had more to offer at a much lower price, and the warranty is good. I was skeptical at first but now I'm glad we purchased it.

sedated
04-12-2011, 09:06 AM
Has anyone driven a Genesis? They look pretty bad ass.

I test-drove one last year. Its a lot bigger in person than it seems in pics, but is badass. Lots of power.

It was made to be a copy of the Infiniti G37.

tyton75
04-12-2011, 09:07 AM
I have a 2001 Santa Fe and its still awesome... no major issues and I beat the crap outta it... over 161k miles... just don't drive it much anymore because gas prices suck!

Deberg_1990
04-12-2011, 09:10 AM
Hyundai started turning around in the mid 90's when they came out with the "10 year 100,000" warranty stuff.


They have never really made anything that excited me though....Always been a Honda guy.

Bob Dole
04-12-2011, 09:12 AM
Hyundai started turning around in the mid 90's when they came out with the "10 year 100,000" warranty stuff.


They have never really made anything that excited me though....Always been a Honda guy.

Go drive a Genesis Coupe. :)

Bob Dole
04-12-2011, 09:15 AM
Has anyone driven a Genesis? They look pretty bad ass.

8000 miles in, Bob Dole loves his '11 Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track. Not a single thing to complain about so far.

DJ's left nut
04-12-2011, 09:18 AM
That's because Hyundai makes a sweet car these days.

http://www.automotive-center.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/2011-hyundai-sonata1-e1302220640826.jpg

That's my exact vehicle, I've had it for about a month now. I got it with the limited trim package (w/ the leather and everything), the nav, the upgraded infinity sound system w/ the touchscreen interface (wow) and the 2.0 liter turbo. When you have all that shit added, they put a sport tuned suspension on it as well. All told, I got into that car for under $27,000 because Machens in Columbia was on some quest to be the #1 dealership in MO so they cut me a great deal on it.

With 275 horses and 260 ft lbs of torque, that car is MFing fast. I had it up to 142 in Oklahoma and it had more to give. I was just passing a long row of cars so I put my foot in it for as long as it took to get around them. The whole time it was stable and felt planted. It started to growl a little at me around the 140 mph range but that was just physics at work. It corners on rails and the build quality is stellar.

I was looking at that or the VW CC but you just get so much more care for the money that it's a no brainer. Even little things fall in Hyundai's favor. It's the only high-power turbo I found capable of running on 87 octane (CC requires 91). It gets better fuel economy because of the gasoline direct injection (though the GDI motors don't sound as good), it doesn't require synthetic oil like the VW does. It's just a very well engineered and thought out car.

We'll see how well it holds up, but I've never enjoyed driving a car as much as I enjoy driving that one. The 'initial satisfaction' couldn't be higher for me. It's just a brilliant little car.

Rain Man
04-12-2011, 09:27 AM
Chiming in with the others, I had a Hyundai Elantra as a rental car a while back and put about a thousand miles on it in a week. I was quite impressed.

Deberg_1990
04-12-2011, 09:39 AM
Go drive a Genesis Coupe. :)

Ill admit, those are cool looking......not as cool looking as the Honda Accord Coupes. : )

Lzen
04-12-2011, 11:37 AM
I loved the Genesis Coupe. Was close to pulling the trigger, but the only one in KC was at f**king Carmax, I refuse to buy from those scam-artists.

Kia’s new cars are great. They got the lead designer from Audi a few years back, and the difference is starting to pay off. I love the look of the new Optima


http://media.il.edmunds-media.com/kia/optima/2011/fd/2011_kia_optima_f34_fd_902104_717.jpg

That's an Optima? Holy smokes! That is bad ass!

Lzen
04-12-2011, 11:40 AM
Ill admit, those are cool looking......not as cool looking as the Honda Accord Coupes. : )

Booooorrrriiiinnnngggg.

Lzen
04-12-2011, 11:41 AM
Wife has an 05 Sante Fe. Been pretty happy with it. She's ready to get a car now mainly for better gas mileage. The Sante Fe only gets about 17mpg in the city and 23 on the highway.

Pants
04-12-2011, 11:50 AM
Ill admit, those are cool looking......not as cool looking as the Honda Accord Coupes. : )

Honda's last exciting car was the S2000, but the tards decided to d/c it. I don't think there's anything in Honda's line up that can compare to a decked out Genesis Coupe in terms of excitement, man.

HemiEd
04-12-2011, 12:02 PM
I wonder if the Iraquies will start selling us cars once that war is over?

Rain Man
04-12-2011, 12:45 PM
Honda's last exciting car was the S2000, but the tards decided to d/c it. I don't think there's anything in Honda's line up that can compare to a decked out Genesis Coupe in terms of excitement, man.

When I bought my BMW I tested pretty much all the mainstream two-seat cars on the market. I went to test-drive the S2000 and they wouldn't let me. They said I had to buy it first, and then if I didn't like it they'd take it back.

Yes, that's correct. You didn't misread it. They told me that I had to buy the vehicle before I could test-drive it. It made me laugh as I walked out of the dealership and made my purchase of another brand.

Pants
04-12-2011, 12:47 PM
When I bought my BMW I tested pretty much all the mainstream two-seat cars on the market. I went to test-drive the S2000 and they wouldn't let me. They said I had to buy it first, and then if I didn't like it they'd take it back.

Yes, that's correct. You didn't misread it. They told me that I had to buy the vehicle before I could test-drive it. It made me laugh as I walked out of the dealership and made my purchase of another brand.

Mmmmm.... Z3s are sooo nice. Did you ever upgrade to the Z4 by any chance? Also, I'm very happy you didn't go with the Boxer!

Rain Man
04-12-2011, 12:52 PM
Mmmmm.... Z3s are sooo nice. Did you ever upgrade to the Z4 by any chance? Also, I'm very happy you didn't go with the Boxer!

Nah, no Z4. My Z3 is great, so I have no need to make a change. I also initially liked the Z3 looks better, though the Z4 has grown a lot on me. It looks great from the back.

I liked the Boxster, but it was enough more expensive that it wasn't a finalist. My decision came down to the Z3 versus that little Mercedes two-seater with the retractable hardtop. I could've gone with either, but the Z3 actually has a surprisingly large trunk that allows for suitcases on road trips. That was the final differentiator for me.

Chief Faithful
04-12-2011, 01:44 PM
They make nice cars. Quality isn't a joke anymore.

They were brilliant with the Sonata, something more like a luxury car priced along side their competitors' boring "family cars"

I like working on cars as a hobby and I can say from a recent job Hyundais under the hood are not a joke anymore. Working on a modern Hyundai is comparible to a Toyota or Mazda, while 10 years ago they were junk mechanically.

Predarat
04-12-2011, 01:47 PM
Its because of that kinda cute chick that sings annoying songs.

DJ's left nut
04-12-2011, 01:55 PM
I like working on cars as a hobby and I can say from a recent job Hyundais under the hood are not a joke anymore. Working on a modern Hyundai is comparible to a Toyota or Mazda, while 10 years ago they were junk mechanically.

The last generation Sonata first got my attention when I was shopping for my previous car. It was a nice car, but essentially stole everything from Honda and/or Toyota. "Conservatively designed" doesn't really do it justice.

The new one, OTOH, is ground floor stuff. It's the first family sedan to offer the GDI engine. And since they didn't even offer a 6-cylinder for it, they didn't have to build in support through the engine compartment to handle the load so it stayed extremely light. It's a mid-sized car but it gets a 'large car' classification by the EPA because of how big the interior is.

It has that swooping roofline that you see generally only on the E-Class so it has a very 'coupish' look despite being a sedan.

When I started doing the homework for this ride, I was pretty sure I was just going to go with a Camry or maybe the Fusion if I liked the ride. But after going through the reviews then going to the Chicago Auto Show and actually sitting in them, the Sonata simply couldn't be ignored. I don't exactly crow about owning a Hyundia, but having driven my boss's Lexus in the last couple months, I'd take my car over his hands down.

kcgizmo
04-12-2011, 03:36 PM
I am happy with this

Pants
04-12-2011, 03:45 PM
I am happy with this

Sweet ride, man.

CoMoChief
04-12-2011, 04:22 PM
MUCH better quality car now than 10 yrs ago for sure.

And to be honest, as much as cars cost now (new) and as much as they immediately depreciate....a vehicle is a vehicle really, unless it's a POS. I would just like to have something nice, clean, and is reliable with no major problems I can't deal with.

I don't understand why some people run out and buy a Lexus or a Navigator or something that's around $50K (or even worse finance the damn thing) when they're gonna lose half of that money in a few yrs....unless you have that kinda money to blow and blow often without suffering any setbacks financially....it's really the dumbest (and most common) investment around.

kcgizmo
04-12-2011, 04:34 PM
Sweet ride, man.

Bought it last year, and I am still loving every minute I drive it.

CrazyPhuD
04-12-2011, 04:45 PM
Honda's last exciting car was the S2000, but the tards decided to d/c it. I don't think there's anything in Honda's line up that can compare to a decked out Genesis Coupe in terms of excitement, man.

Heh that's my current car. 7 years old now and I just dropped a new built motor in it about 6 months ago. 30% more power in a car that light is fun. This will be my last year with it as my primary. They've completely nurfed sportscars lately. Will likely buy used since nothing new excites me. The s will be my track car next year.

That said screw the hyundai, get a Cherry they're cherry!

Sfeihc
04-12-2011, 05:11 PM
I sold my 2000 Hyundai Elantra in January. Bought it off Ebay in 2004 and used it for a daily driver. Only changed the oil, tires, brakes and battery. No problems, it even had several months left on the factory warranty when I got it. Good, fun car to drive. The power to weight ratio made it a riot to drive around town.
Only downside was the rash of crap I caught for driving a Hyundai.

Mile High Mania
04-12-2011, 05:26 PM
The new Genesis and Santa Fe models look really nice and the price is great... I have it in my mind that buying one would be stupid or look cheap, but when we go for a new car in a few years... just may do it.

It all depends. I have a 4 year old Yukon and a 7 year old Camry... we're going to drive those things into the ground until they won't move and then replace them. Go a few years with no payments... that will be a welcome change.

Bacon Cheeseburger
04-12-2011, 05:39 PM
Why not?
I'm not sure.

stevieray
04-12-2011, 07:34 PM
Dole's Genesis hauls ass.

Demonpenz
04-12-2011, 09:42 PM
I am happy with this

beast mode