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Buck
05-26-2011, 09:10 PM
Lebron is saying, Dirk who?

DaKCMan AP
05-26-2011, 09:10 PM
Lebron = MVP

Simply Red
05-26-2011, 09:10 PM
awesome competitor. non closer - CLOSING!!!!

Al Bundy
05-26-2011, 09:10 PM
Marv Albert just pictured being tied up in a hotel room with a hooker and Lebron James.

okcchief
05-26-2011, 09:11 PM
I think Lebron has put the not being clutch shit to bed.

DaKCMan AP
05-26-2011, 09:11 PM
Heat should get last shot.

dirk digler
05-26-2011, 09:11 PM
It seems to me the Heat just stroll along hoping to keep the game close and then just turn it on in the 4th.

Buck
05-26-2011, 09:11 PM
Why couldn't he make these free throws at Memphis?

DaKCMan AP
05-26-2011, 09:12 PM
Rose chokes.

Simply Red
05-26-2011, 09:12 PM
Rose misses

-King-
05-26-2011, 09:12 PM
Welp...I knew he'd miss.

Buck
05-26-2011, 09:12 PM
Why couldn't he make these free throws at Memphis?

SPOKE TOO SOON

Simply Red
05-26-2011, 09:12 PM
I think Lebron has put the not being clutch shit to bed.

precisely

Rudy lost the toss
05-26-2011, 09:12 PM
Just brutal for anybody who hates both Dallas and Miami. I fucking can't believe it. I hate basketball. I hope Dirk buttfucks the heat and then dies.

DaKCMan AP
05-26-2011, 09:13 PM
I think Lebron has put the not being clutch shit to bed.

Yeah, the team as a whole really. They've won the last 7 games that were close in the 4th quarter (last 3 against Boston, last 3 against Chicago). This would be the 8th.

It seems to me the Heat just stroll along hoping to keep the game close and then just turn it on in the 4th.

Ding ding ding.

Simply Red
05-26-2011, 09:13 PM
lol @ commercial

-King-
05-26-2011, 09:15 PM
Well...wow.

loochy
05-26-2011, 09:15 PM
LOL @ Chicago's 1 man offense...of course that's gonna fail

Buck
05-26-2011, 09:16 PM
Lebron is tight.

dirk digler
05-26-2011, 09:16 PM
Congrats Heat.

Simply Red
05-26-2011, 09:16 PM
good sport - Rose is all class.

ChiefsCountry
05-26-2011, 09:16 PM
LeBron swatted the crap out of Rose there.

DaKCMan AP
05-26-2011, 09:16 PM
Dear Chicago Bulls,

Congratulations on a terrific regular season.

Sincerely,

The best team in the Eastern Conference.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQc_GSbp8Gk2YtR4WoeLFX1nL1XdqRuKTCl34KqBXVeRij6i7YG&t=1

-King-
05-26-2011, 09:16 PM
Lol that was a foul.

ChiefsCountry
05-26-2011, 09:17 PM
I wonder if Vanilla Thunder is going to show his face in this thread anymore.

siberian khatru
05-26-2011, 09:17 PM
What a collapse.

I almost went to bed when Bulls were up 12, but I said, "Nah, things can change fast in the NBA." Shit, that was an understatement.

Simply Red
05-26-2011, 09:17 PM
Priceless expression by Yannick Noah

-King-
05-26-2011, 09:17 PM
As a LeBron hater...LeBron has earned a ton of my respect these past few games.

ChiefsandO'sfan
05-26-2011, 09:17 PM
i hope u have tivo fucking bs did you see the heat bench player throw a towel when rose shot his 2 ft

loochy
05-26-2011, 09:17 PM
Lol that was a foul.

but in the last 2 minutes a foul is no longer a foul

Buck
05-26-2011, 09:18 PM
What a collapse.

I almost went to bed when Bulls were up 12, but I said, "Nah, things can change fast in the NBA." Shit, that was an understatement.

I was chatting with a friend on facebook and I said "Dagger." when Chicago hit a 3 to go up by 12 with 3:53 left.

dirk digler
05-26-2011, 09:18 PM
As a LeBron hater...LeBron has earned a ton of my respect these past few games.

Yep. Much respect

Simply Red
05-26-2011, 09:18 PM
What a collapse.

I almost went to bed when Bulls were up 12, but I said, "Nah, things can change fast in the NBA." Shit, that was an understatement.

yeah - flawless execution, a little more developed, Chicago will be tough next year though, this Rose kid is just spectacular, I expect he'll be VERY special before long.

loochy
05-26-2011, 09:18 PM
bosh looks like a darker snoop dogg with short hair

Pitt Gorilla
05-26-2011, 09:18 PM
Chicago needs another scorer.

dirk digler
05-26-2011, 09:19 PM
Lol that was a foul.

That is what I was thinking on the close up replay Lebron clearly hit his hand.

Wouldn't have mattered Rose would have missed a FT or 2.

loochy
05-26-2011, 09:19 PM
Chicago needs another scorer.

ha! yeah they do. isolating rose every time at crunch time just doesn't work

DaKCMan AP
05-26-2011, 09:20 PM
yeah - flawless execution, a little more developed, Chicago will be tough next year though, this Rose kid is just spectacular, I expect he'll be VERY special before long.

Heat will be better next year too. If the Heat were going to be beaten in the East, really this year was the best opportunity. Not saying it'll be the only opportunity, just the best with all of the new components and players.

tk13
05-26-2011, 09:20 PM
As good as the NBA is supposed to be right now, there was some really sloppy stuff in these conference finals.

-King-
05-26-2011, 09:20 PM
but in the last 2 minutes a foul is no longer a foul

They called the foul on Wade...so they should have called it there. But oh well...Bulls weren't going to win the series anyway. Their offense sucks.

Simply Red
05-26-2011, 09:21 PM
bosh looks like a darker snoop dogg with short hair

yeah, he's pretty hot. I wouldn't kick him outta bed for eatin' chitlins.

okcchief
05-26-2011, 09:21 PM
Sorry Bulls fans. I know EXACTLY how that shits feels.

I give it up to the Heat. This is not the same team we saw in the regular season. Playing killer D, diving for lose balls, playing smart tough team basketball. Despite what I think of how I feel about how Lebron handled shit they deserve to be there. everyone talks about the Lakers turning on a switch. Miami stole it this year.

Dallas and Miami are clearly the best teams. It will be fun to watch. May the best team win.

loochy
05-26-2011, 09:21 PM
They called the foul on Wade...so they should have called it there. But oh well...Bulls weren't going to win the series anyway. Their offense sucks.

i just needed an extra 2 days for kidd to rest his old legs

ILChief
05-26-2011, 09:21 PM
Lebron should have signed with Chicago. Bulls w/ Rose and Lebron > Heat w/ Lebron.

DaKCMan AP
05-26-2011, 09:22 PM
Lebron should have signed with Chicago. Bulls w/ Rose and Lebron > Heat w/ Lebron.

:LOL:

loochy
05-26-2011, 09:24 PM
Lebron should have signed with Chicago. Bulls w/ Rose and Lebron > Heat w/ Lebron.

Lebron should have signed with the Lakers. Lakers w/ Bryant and Gasol and Odom and Bynum > Heat w/ Lebron

Buck
05-26-2011, 09:24 PM
So who is the Heat MVP of this series?

Bosh? Lebron?

spida_man23
05-26-2011, 09:24 PM
:LOL:

you no theres truth to it

loochy
05-26-2011, 09:25 PM
you no theres truth to it

it da troof

DaKCMan AP
05-26-2011, 09:25 PM
So who is the Heat MVP of this series?

Bosh? Lebron?

Bosh was solid as hell, but Lebron is the series MVP. He closed out the last 3 games.

Simply Red
05-26-2011, 09:26 PM
I can't BBEEEElieve Marv Albert still has ash blonde hair, man o man he's aged well!

Buck
05-26-2011, 09:26 PM
I can't BBEEEElieve Marv Albert still has ash blonde hair, man o man he's aged well!

No play for Mr. Gray.

-King-
05-26-2011, 09:27 PM
I don't think I want a team in KC anymore. These games are just...just too much.

58-4ever
05-26-2011, 09:27 PM
I can't BBEEEElieve Marv Albert still has ash blonde hair, man o man he's aged well!

And as freaky as he is, I bet the carpet still matches the drapes.

Count Zarth
05-26-2011, 09:28 PM
Lebron is saying, Dirk who?

LMAO

Lebron was 11 for 26 the other night and 8 for 19 tonight. What did he shoot this series, 40 percent? Dirk laughs at that garbage.

If the Mavs win the Finals I am making a Dirk video.

Simply Red
05-26-2011, 09:28 PM
And as freaky as he is, I bet the carpet still matches the drapes.

:LOL: yeah, women's panties, was it?

58-4ever
05-26-2011, 09:32 PM
:LOL: yeah, women's panties, was it?

Yeah, S&M too. yyyyyeeeesssssss!!!!

Simply Red
05-26-2011, 09:32 PM
so Tuesday or a week from Tuesday?

okcchief
05-26-2011, 09:32 PM
I don't think I want a team in KC anymore. These games are just...just too much.

Hahaha

That's what I was thinking Monday night. Still glad there is a team here. Live NBA playoff basketball is by far my favorite thing. Football is my favorite sport but the NBA is now my favorite live sport.

DaKCMan AP
05-26-2011, 09:32 PM
LMAO

Lebron was 11 for 26. What did he shoot this series, 40 percent? Dirk laughs at that garbage.

If the Mavs win the Finals I am making a Dirk video.

Dirk only shot 56% in the conference finals? Chris Bosh laughs at that garbage.

DaKCMan AP
05-26-2011, 09:33 PM
so Tuesday or a week from Tuesday?

Tuesday in Miami.

okcchief
05-26-2011, 09:37 PM
LMAO

Lebron was 11 for 26. What did he shoot this series, 40 percent? Dirk laughs at that garbage.

If the Mavs win the Finals I am making a Dirk video.

The Mavs may prove to be the better team but there is no question who is the better player. Lebron brings it on both sides of the court. D Wade is also a better all around player. Dirk may be the best shooter ever but he can't do much on defense.

Count Zarth
05-26-2011, 09:38 PM
Dirk only shot 56% in the conference finals? Chris Bosh laughs at that garbage.

Better hope that the "great" Dwayne Wade shoots more than 40 percent against the Mavs or it will be curtains for the Heat.

DaKCMan AP
05-26-2011, 09:40 PM
I wonder if Vanilla Thunder is going to show his face in this thread anymore.

Hopefully he'll show up, say the Heat aren't that good and say he'll be shocked if Dallas doesn't win in 6. That would guarantee the Championship for Miami.

Count Zarth
05-26-2011, 09:40 PM
Dirk may be the best shooter ever but he can't do much on defense.

And yet he had the crucial steal at the end of regulation the other night, AND he was matched up one on one with a guard on the previous possession and denied him a good look at the basket.

Dirk is going to be Finals MVP.

He...is....GOD.

http://i52.tinypic.com/20ifb5z.jpg

okcchief
05-26-2011, 09:42 PM
I picked the Heat to win the East but they are playing way better than I expected.

okcchief
05-26-2011, 09:44 PM
And yet he had the crucial steal at the end of regulation the other night, AND he was matched up one on one with a guard on the previous possession and denied him a good look at the basket.

Dirk is going to be Finals MVP.

He...is....GOD.

http://i52.tinypic.com/20ifb5z.jpg

He can make some plays but Lebron and Wade are elite defenders. Believe me I'm rooting for Dallas but they have their hands full. This series is hard to pick.

okcchief
05-26-2011, 09:47 PM
I think OKC will develop with their current roster. They could use a couple of role players. Chicago needs to add a major piece.

Count Zarth
05-26-2011, 09:48 PM
http://i55.tinypic.com/106edki.jpg

58-4ever
05-26-2011, 09:48 PM
Only if Westbrook becomes a real point guard. They would also need to sign their young players to long term contracts. Not easy in a market like OKC.

Durant just signed for 7 more years. Ibaka and Harden are locked up until 2014. The only one left is Westbrook, and he is a wild card in every respect.

The Thunder need Russ. I hope he signs an extension soon, but he's an L.A. kid, and I'm sure that the Lakers are attractive after his contract is up.

KevB
05-26-2011, 09:49 PM
Sorry Bulls fans. I know EXACTLY how that shits feels.

I give it up to the Heat. This is not the same team we saw in the regular season. Playing killer D, diving for lose balls, playing smart tough team basketball. Despite what I think of how I feel about how Lebron handled shit they deserve to be there. everyone talks about the Lakers turning on a switch. Miami stole it this year.

Dallas and Miami are clearly the best teams. It will be fun to watch. May the best team win.

Can't argue that, but I still can't stand the Heat. I'll be rooting for the Mavs to whoop their ass, should be a competitive series.

58-4ever
05-26-2011, 09:50 PM
I think OKC will develop with their current roster. They could use a couple of role players. Chicago needs to add a major piece.

If Boozer wasn't such a pussy he could be that guy. They need a Dwight Howard. That would allow Gibson to play power forward.

KurtCobain
05-26-2011, 09:50 PM
Miami are some cheating Satan Spawn. May they rot. And fuck the Mavs too because the pic by GoChiefs was sick and doucheish.

Count Zarth
05-26-2011, 09:51 PM
the pic by GoChiefs was sick and doucheish.

LMAO

What pic?

KevB
05-26-2011, 09:52 PM
Chicago needs another scorer.

That was obvious all season, and part of the reason Rose won MVP. Winning 62 games with that team is an accomplishment. Boozer and Bogans are garbage. Noah and Deng are really nice players, but you have to have more offensive punch to get to the Finals. Rose doesn't look good coming out of this series, but they just asked him to do too much, especially against that group of athletes for the Heat. Quickness only gets you so far when three defenders are lined up to stop you, and two of them are super athletes as well.

58-4ever
05-26-2011, 09:53 PM
Can't argue that, but I still can't stand the Heat. I'll be rooting for the Mavs to whoop their ass, should be a competitive series.

Agree. They made clutch shots and won with class. I'll be rooting for the Mavs, as much as it kills me to say that.

KevB
05-26-2011, 09:54 PM
I think OKC will develop with their current roster. They could use a couple of role players. Chicago needs to add a major piece.

They need a legit starting 2 guard, and they should have the space to do it. Jason Richardson would seem to be a really nice fit, and the Magic are likely going to let him walk.

Simply Red
05-26-2011, 09:55 PM
Rose is a star in my mind, what a class act. Even if it seems like an act. He at a minimum is doing all the right things to promote himself for the future.

KevB
05-26-2011, 09:57 PM
Rose is a star in my mind, what a class act. Even if it seems like an act. He at a minimum is doing all the right things to promote himself in the future.

He's legit, it's not an act. He's been the same since I started following him in high school. I remember his last high school game, state title game. His team was up early, and he ended up scoring in single digits and distributing to his teammates all game. He was asked afterward why he didn't look to score more, even though the game was in hand. He said he wanted his teammates to have good memories of their last high school game, so he looked to get them points.

KurtCobain
05-26-2011, 09:58 PM
Rose is a star in my mind, what a class act. Even if it seems like an act. He at a minimum is doing all the right things to promote himself for the future.

He's my hero as of current.

Simply Red
05-26-2011, 10:00 PM
Tuesday in Miami.

I'm excited, and Barkley makes me laugh, honestly he (CB) doesn't have to do much aside from talk to make me laugh.

Count Zarth
05-26-2011, 10:04 PM
I'm excited, and Barkley makes me laugh, honestly he (CB) doesn't have to do much aside from talk to make me laugh.

Sadly, the Finals are on ABC. No Barkley.

Too bad, because he is the only one who knows what the fuck he's talking about.

KurtCobain
05-26-2011, 10:06 PM
I hurt really bad. The Bulls man, the Bulls.

SNR
05-26-2011, 10:08 PM
Sadly, the Finals are on ABC. No Barkley.

Too bad, because he is the only one who knows what the fuck he's talking about.Shit. That's rape. And Tirico is the worst out of Marv Albert, Kevin Harlan, and that guy who does most of the talking for ESPN. Not Mark Jackson or Jeff van Gundy

KevB
05-26-2011, 10:09 PM
He's legit, it's not an act. He's been the same since I started following him in high school. I remember his last high school game, state title game. His team was up early, and he ended up scoring in single digits and distributing to his teammates all game. He was asked afterward why he didn't look to score more, even though the game was in hand. He said he wanted his teammates to have good memories of their last high school game, so he looked to get them points.

State Title story (http://illinoishsbasketball.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=465&Itemid=1)

Rose will come back better next year. Heat played great and deserved to win, simple as that. Rose ran into some really good players, one who is probably the best of our generation.

okcchief
05-26-2011, 10:11 PM
Durant just signed for 7 more years. Ibaka and Harden are locked up until 2014. The only one left is Westbrook, and he is a wild card in every respect.

The Thunder need Russ. I hope he signs an extension soon, but he's an L.A. kid, and I'm sure that the Lakers are attractive after his contract is up.

He finally went on record today saying he loved it here and wants to stay. They will probably extend him this summer which despite what people think is a good thing. All our players have improved every year and it's silly to think that won't continue as young as they still are. People are so critical now a days and expect things to fast but there are very few teams that have improved as rapidly as the Thunder without signing major free agents. In two years they may not be able to keep both Harden and Ibaka and that will suck.

OKC isnt a glamour location but as soon as we signed KD it ensured we'd be good for a while. Players really just want to play for a quality organization dedicated to winning. They get that here.

Mr. Flopnuts
05-26-2011, 10:19 PM
He finally went on record today saying he loved it here and wants to stay. They will probably extend him this summer which despite what people think is a good thing. All our players have improved every year and it's silly to think that won't continue as young as they still are. People are so critical now a days and expect things to fast but there are very few teams that have improved as rapidly as the Thunder without signing major free agents. In two years they may not be able to keep both Harden and Ibaka and that will suck.

OKC isnt a glamour location but as soon as we signed KD it ensured we'd be good for a while. Players really just want to play for a quality organization dedicated to winning. They get that here.

We'll see.

Simply Red
05-26-2011, 10:20 PM
State Title story (http://illinoishsbasketball.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=465&Itemid=1)

Rose will come back better next year. Heat played great and deserved to win, simple as that. Rose ran into some really good players, one who is probably the best of our generation.

thanks, cool knowing that

notorious
05-26-2011, 10:25 PM
I hurt really bad. The Bulls man, the Bulls.

It sucks, but I wasn't expecting much so it doesn't hurt so as bad.


This Bull's playoff loss = Hangnail


Chiefs playoff loss = Getting shot in the stomach after having my balls ripped off and all of my fingernails yanked by pliers.

Mr. Flopnuts
05-26-2011, 10:31 PM
It sucks, but I wasn't expecting much so it doesn't hurt so as bad.


This Bull's playoff loss = Hangnail


Chiefs playoff loss = Getting shot in the stomach after having my balls ripped off and all of my fingernails yanked by pliers.

Finally. Someone with priority................

okcchief
05-26-2011, 10:32 PM
We'll see.

You can be mad they left but they have nothing but the right things basketball wise. The Perkins extension is up for debate but I'll decide on that next year.

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=DMskDJhVFjo

Count Zarth
05-26-2011, 10:34 PM
So beautiful. Gotta love fans raising their arms before Dirk's shot even goes in.

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Mr. Flopnuts
05-26-2011, 10:35 PM
You can be mad they left but they have nothing but the right things basketball wise. The Perkins extension is up for debate but I'll decide on that next year.

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=DMskDJhVFjo

You know what? Fuck you, yeah, I'm jealous. And that's even knowing that these fuckers would be in the cellar if they were still in Seattle. Quit hating on me, and my jealously. Just be happy you have what I'm DESPERATELY missing.

okcchief
05-26-2011, 10:36 PM
It sucks, but I wasn't expecting much so it doesn't hurt so as bad.


This Bull's playoff loss = Hangnail


Chiefs playoff loss = Getting shot in the stomach after having my balls ripped off and all of my fingernails yanked by pliers.

The Chiefs losses are worse when I expect something out of them. It's been a LONG fucking time since that was the case.

Mr. Flopnuts
05-26-2011, 10:37 PM
I wouldn't even respond to me, if I was you. Seriously...........

okcchief
05-26-2011, 10:37 PM
You know what? **** you, yeah, I'm jealous. And that's even knowing that these ****ers would be in the cellar if they were still in Seattle. Quit hating on me, and my jealously. Just be happy you have what I'm DESPERATELY missing.

LOL

I feel for you bro. Hope you get a team soon.

notorious
05-26-2011, 10:39 PM
The Chiefs losses are worse when I expect something out of them. It's been a LONG ****ing time since that was the case.

When we should have won them it was fucking painful because we choked.

When we should have lost them anyway, it was HOW we lost them that was painful.


The Denver playoff loss was the most painful loss in all of sports history. It felt like I ran over my own dog.

Mr. Flopnuts
05-26-2011, 10:39 PM
You think I don't want to root for them? FUCK, I grew up rooting for them. I hope you never know this pain.

Mr. Flopnuts
05-26-2011, 10:41 PM
LOL

I feel for you bro. Hope you get a team soon.

Shit ain't funny, but laugh all you want. Outside of the Chiefs, I had no love for anyone but the Sonics. And that's saying something considering what a Dawgs fan I am. I'm the most die-hard Sonics fan you've never known.

okcchief
05-26-2011, 10:42 PM
When we should have won them it was ****ing painful because we choked.

When we should have lost them anyway, it was HOW we lost them that was painful.


The Denver playoff loss was the most painful loss in all of sports history. It felt like I ran over my own dog.

That one hurt bad because I felt like we were the better team and then Denver won the SuperBowl. That put me in a foul mood for a long fucking time. I'm already over this loss but it hurt almost as bad Monday.

Mr. Flopnuts
05-26-2011, 10:44 PM
LOL

I feel for you bro. Hope you get a team soon.

Swear to God, I don't want another team. What's done is done. And I'm done for the night.

okcchief
05-26-2011, 10:47 PM
Shit ain't funny, but laugh all you want. Outside of the Chiefs, I had no love for anyone but the Sonics. And that's saying something considering what a Dawgs fan I am. I'm the most die-hard Sonics fan you've never known.

Not laughing at your pain just the way you put it. My whole family is addicted to the shit. The whole community. OU football is king here but I have hardly heard it mentioned this basketball season. Which is good because fuck OU.

I feel bad for hardcore fans and hope you get the Sonics back someday. Just not OKCs team.

KurtCobain
05-26-2011, 10:48 PM
I would still be a Chiefs fan if they moved.

Mr. Flopnuts
05-26-2011, 10:51 PM
Not laughing at your pain just the way you put it. My whole family is addicted to the shit. The whole community. OU football is king here but I have hardly heard it mentioned this basketball season. Which is good because fuck OU.

I feel bad for hardcore fans and hope you get the Sonics back someday. Just not OKCs team.

You have no idea how much I want to root for the Thunder. Fuck, I live so close now I could go to games. It's conflicting as fuck.

Count Zarth
05-26-2011, 10:51 PM
You have no idea how much I want to root for the Thunder. Fuck, I live so close now I could go to games. It's conflicting as fuck.

I wouldn't do it.

You need to develop a Browns/Ravens type of hatred for this franchise.

THEY WRONGED YOU BRO

okcchief
05-26-2011, 10:57 PM
I would still be a Chiefs fan if they moved.

I probably would be too. Who the fuck else am I going to root for? Of course easier for me to say because I don't live there anymore. If you go to the games every week like I do here with the Thunder it cuts a lot deeper. I would be hella upset if the Chiefs ever moved though. I can't say how I would react. I'm still shocked that OKC has a pro sports team and expect to be woke up any minute. I've been a Chiefs fan since I knew what a football was. That shit would be devastating. Even when people half ass talked about LA I got pissed off.

okcchief
05-26-2011, 11:00 PM
You have no idea how much I want to root for the Thunder. ****, I live so close now I could go to games. It's conflicting as ****.

I'll give you my tickets next year if you want to put on your Sonics shit and root against us lol. I have seen it happen a few times this year.

okcchief
05-26-2011, 11:02 PM
I wouldn't do it.

You need to develop a Browns/Ravens type of hatred for this franchise.

THEY WRONGED YOU BRO

The Ravens won a SuperBowl. I like this comparison. At least Clay Bennett didn't fuck over his own community like Art Modell.

Mr. Flopnuts
05-26-2011, 11:05 PM
I'll give you my tickets next year if you want to put on your Sonics shit and root against us lol. I have seen it happen a few times this year.

Honestly, I'd do it in a heartbeat. But it's halfhearted. KD was drafted in Seattle. It's hard to root against them. I sound like a guy that's ready to become a Thunder fan, but I just don't think I have it in me.

KurtCobain
05-26-2011, 11:08 PM
Ay Flop, if they were the Oklahoma City SuperSonics would you still be a fan?

Mr. Flopnuts
05-26-2011, 11:09 PM
Ay Flop, if they were the Oklahoma City SuperSonics would you still be a fan?

No. But if they were the Seattle Thunder, I would. Are you picking up what I'm laying down?

Pitt Gorilla
05-26-2011, 11:17 PM
What are the Thunder going to do, OKC? Westbrook, Harden, Durant, Ibaka, & Maynor are foundational pieces. Perk will be there (most likely, barring a trade) and Sef probably isn't going anywhere.

Who do they pickup? For whom do they trade? Give me SOMETHING, man.

Edit: Damn, they're young.

KurtCobain
05-26-2011, 11:25 PM
No. But if they were the Seattle Thunder, I would. Are you picking up what I'm laying down?

Yes, I am.

But I don't understand.

I would follow the LA Chiefs.

58kcfan89
05-26-2011, 11:33 PM
He finally went on record today saying he loved it here and wants to stay. They will probably extend him this summer which despite what people think is a good thing. All our players have improved every year and it's silly to think that won't continue as young as they still are. People are so critical now a days and expect things to fast but there are very few teams that have improved as rapidly as the Thunder without signing major free agents. In two years they may not be able to keep both Harden and Ibaka and that will suck.

OKC isnt a glamour location but as soon as we signed KD it ensured we'd be good for a while. Players really just want to play for a quality organization dedicated to winning. They get that here.

Good to hear. The kid annoys me sometimes, but Westbrook's gunna continue to get better and you need a quality PG to win nowadays IMO (unless you're the Heat).

Do you think Harden starts next season?

KC_Connection
05-27-2011, 12:35 AM
Dirk only shot 56% in the conference finals? Chris Bosh laughs at that garbage.
Chris Bosh is being fed the ball by the two best players in the NBA (who draw enormous attention), Dirk isn't.

I'd love for Dallas-Miami to be a competitive series and Dirk to win a championship, but Miami is just so much better than them. And LeBron is playing at an unreal level right now. I'm thinking 4-1 or 4-2 Miami.

KC_Connection
05-27-2011, 12:38 AM
I think Lebron has put the not being clutch shit to bed.
He was always "clutch." Now he's just on a way better team.

Count Zarth
05-27-2011, 12:40 AM
I'd love for Dallas-Miami to be a competitive series and Dirk to win a championship, but Miami is just so much better than them.

That explains all the success Miami has had against Dallas this year. LMAO

KC_Connection
05-27-2011, 12:44 AM
That explains all the success Miami has had against Dallas this year. LMAO
Regular season basketball is ultimately meaningless. Miami had a terrible record against Chicago too.

Count Zarth
05-27-2011, 12:52 AM
Regular season basketball is ultimately meaningless. Miami had a terrible record against Chicago too.

Whatever.

0 reason to think the Heat are "so much better."

They may have more star power but fundamentally the Mavericks are a much better team. They are built like a real team and play like a real team. Miami plays like a video game team.

KC_Connection
05-27-2011, 01:11 AM
Whatever.

0 reason to think the Heat are "so much better."

Except for the fact that they have the two best players in the NBA and Chris Bosh on the same damn team.

yhf
05-27-2011, 01:17 AM
sad state of affairs boys. just face it the nba is the worst major pro sports league and that's sayin' somthin' 'cause the nhl aint nothin' to write home ddddddddddddddddeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssswwwwwwwwwwwwwww..... gaadamn cat, about.

Count Zarth
05-27-2011, 01:22 AM
Except for the fact that they have the two best players in the NBA and Chris Bosh on the same damn team.

Dwayne Wade is not even close to the best player in the NBA.

The Mavericks have faced better players in the playoffs, easily.

KC_Connection
05-27-2011, 04:33 AM
Dwayne Wade is not even close to the best player in the NBA.

No, he's the second best...far behind LeBron James.


The Mavericks have faced better players in the playoffs, easily.
Not at all.

DaKCMan AP
05-27-2011, 05:11 AM
Sadly, the Finals are on ABC. No Barkley.

Too bad, because he is the only one who knows what the fuck he's talking about.

Barkley is entertaining and opinionated, but I don't know that I'd say he knows what he's talking about. He's dissed the Heat all year long and picked Chicago to win the series.

That explains all the success Miami has had against Dallas this year. LMAO

Miami was 1-3 against Boston and 0-3 against Chicago in the regular season. That's why it's the regular season. Plus, the Mavs haven't seen this Heat team. Last time they played was in December, 5 months ago. Try again.

Whatever.

0 reason to think the Heat are "so much better."

They may have more star power but fundamentally the Mavericks are a much better team. They are built like a real team and play like a real team. Miami plays like a video game team.

A video game team that's Awesome. They play outstanding defense and their ball movement and half court offense has improved tremendously. Wade and Bron learned to play off each other and Bosh has figured out his role. Add to that the emergence of Haslem and Miller after being injured most of the season and this Miami TEAM is legit.

Dwayne Wade is not even close to the best player in the NBA.

The Mavericks have faced better players in the playoffs, easily.

Lebron is #1. Wade is top 5. Bosh is top 25. You could make an argument that the Mavs have faced better players (Kobe, Durant) in the playoffs than Wade. I could make an argument they haven't. It doesn't really matter. The Mavs haven't faced a better player in the playoffs than Lebron and they haven't faced a team in the playoffs that contains 2 top-5 guys plus another top-25 NBA player.

DaKCMan AP
05-27-2011, 05:58 AM
"@WhitlockJason: If Bulls lose tonight, I'll never look at DRose and Thibodeau the same. Never."

"@WhitlockJason: MVP Trophy has to be revoked. Police in Chicago r prepared to arrest James for child abuse. This shud b illegal n a civilized society"

LOCOChief
05-27-2011, 06:16 AM
That shit really happened last night? I crashed with 3:10 left and thought that was it.

Count Zarth
05-27-2011, 06:19 AM
The emergence of Haslem and Miller.....LMAO

Funniest shit I've read in this thread.

notorious
05-27-2011, 06:23 AM
I'm thinking 4-1 or 4-2 Miami.

Holy shit.


ROFL


I guess we will find out.

DaKCMan AP
05-27-2011, 06:39 AM
The emergence of Haslem and Miller.....LMAO

Funniest shit I've read in this thread.

Keep laughing. Dirk is playing out of his mind now, but Haslem held him to 39% shooting in 2006.

Count Zarth
05-27-2011, 06:41 AM
Keep laughing. Dirk is playing out of his mind now, but Haslem held him to 39% shooting in 2006.

LMAO

Haslem has barely played this year and Dirk is a completely different player.

notorious
05-27-2011, 06:41 AM
This series is going to be great, and it will go to 7 games.

DaKCMan AP
05-27-2011, 06:47 AM
This series is going to be great, and it will go to 7 games.

It'll end like this:

http://www.nba.com/media/finals2006/rileydancing_600_060623.jpg

KC_Connection
05-27-2011, 06:53 AM
Holy shit.


ROFL


I guess we will find out.
I had Miami beating Chicago 4-2 (turned out to be 4-1), and the Bulls are arguably better than the Mavs. Thus 4-1 or 4-2 would seem to be an easy prediction.

Really, it should be obvious to most by now that this Heat team, when firing on all cylinders like they are, outclass any team in the NBA. The Lakers might have had a chance if they decided to give a shit this year, but they didn't.

notorious
05-27-2011, 07:03 AM
I had Miami beating Chicago 4-2 (turned out to be 4-1), and the Bulls are arguably better than the Mavs. Thus 4-1 or 4-2 would seem to be an easy prediction.

Really, it should be obvious to most by now that this Heat team, when firing on all cylinders like they are, outclass any team in the NBA. The Lakers might have had a chance if they decided to give a shit this year, but they didn't.

I think the Heat are better, too, but the Mavs are firing on all cylinders themselves.


To think that this series will end in 5 is amazing to me, that's all.

Count Zarth
05-27-2011, 07:35 AM
This is a good read.


Keys To A Miami Win:

1. Gang Rebound / Team Boxouts On The Glass Will Offset The Mavs Size.
2. Force Dirk Into Foul Trouble (Bosh iso's & pick n roll switches)
3. Chase Dallas off the 3pt line, make their shooters take you off the dribble, then recover.
4. RUN A PATIENT & EFFICIENT OFFENSE WITH EVERY PLAYER MOVING.
5. Get Role Players Involved Early & Often. LBJ, Wade, & Bosh can get their shot anytime.

Keys To A Dallas Win:

1. Funnel Wade & James Into Chandler / Haywood With Help D
2. Be Physical With & Body Chris Bosh, Give Him No Room To Operate.
3. Force Wade & Bron Right (Both Feel More Comfortable Going Left)
4. Pound The Ball Down Low. Establish Size Early.
5. Have Wade Chase Terry To Induce Fatigue & Fouls


Viewing these playoffs strictly from a basketball purist standpoint, I can't truly say Miami is set to win the Finals. There seems to be some overwhelming beliefs by some heat fans and sympathists alike that Miami has it in the bag. That Wade, LeBron, and Bosh are unbeatable now because of their post-season success. That Haslem and Miller are back so that means we are safe. Three of the core rotation players for Miami have played in an NBA Finals being a major factor in their team while going through the experiences of failure and success in the post-season. Haslem, Wade, and James have all been to the Finals. While there are others on the Heat roster that have been as well, only these three have faced a significant amount of time on the court dealing with the atmosphere as extremely talented players. The importance of having some of the more skilled athletic players knowing what failure or success in the finals feels like cannot be understated. This is one of Miami's greatest strengths. Core championship experience. It could be the difference in the series.


Even when Miami has its core rotation healthy, there are still serious questions to answer in regards to this team's offensive identity. It has improved, but for a team to win a title, they must be successful in rebounding and defense. I believe Miami is easily capable of succeeding defensively against Dallas but It will take a firm commitment to boxing out and staying homed in on shooters. Miami is in my opinion, the best defensive team in basketball. They have unmatchable athleticism, length, and defensive habits that would make Jordan salivate at getting a crack at. But heres where it gets shifty. Dallas has been #1 in the post-season for field goal percentage at .467% (Miami is .446%). Dallas is currently second in 3pt percentage behind the eliminated Celtics at .396% (Miami is .317%). That is offensively. Defensively it gets more interesting. In terms of points allowed, Miami has Dallas beaten at 88.9 compared to Dallas being 92.5 (Boston was 93.3). But upon closer inspection, you will see the opponent 3pt percentage allowed. Miami's is .391% while Dallas is a grueling .258%. Dallas is one of the best at defending the 3 while Miami is one of the worst at shooting and defending the 3. With Dallas being the second best 3pt shooting team in terms of percentage in this post-season, Miami faces a formidable challenge given their lackluster defense against the 3. Dallas is also #1 in team assists at 21.1 (Boston was 21.0)

Another issue is the length of the Maverick's shooters. Two of the Mavs premier shooters are 6'10 minimum. With Miami being limited on mobile bigs around that height, it will be difficult to contest shots on the Mavericks proverbial trebuchets. The great Pat Riley once said "No Rebounds, No Rings." If Miami doesn't stick to the Dallas shooters like gorilla glue, there may be no chance for rebounds. Jason Terry is as good running around screens to get an open look at a 3 as any speedy sharpshooter in the NBA much like Ray Allen. It will take everyone physically boxing out and gang rebounding, otherwise, there will be no rebounds and no ring and a german will be holding the NBA Finals trophy.

I think by far the scariest aspect of this whole matter is that Dallas has posted statistics that are eerily similar to that of the Boston Celtics in almost every regard with the added incentive of a roster that is superior to Boston's. The areas that Dallas is strong at along with their personnel spells trouble for a Miami team that has failed to show enough interest in fully addressing their offensive stagnation issues.

I think Miami will face a true test in this Dallas team. I have no doubts. Dallas swept the champions and they have the DEEPEST roster in the league. This is not the 06 Mavs. This team is hungry and wasn't mentioned in the breathe of LA, MIA, BOS, or SA. They grinded and hustled their way to victories and completely trounced the Los Angeles Lakers making it look easy. I would be very cautious if I was Pat Riley as to allowing Spoelstra to fully run this dog n pony show.

I cannot wait for this Dallas - Miami series. As a Heat fan, I wanna see Miami win, but as a basketball purist, I really think Dallas could send Miami packing.

Points off turnovers.
Fastbreak points.
Points in the paint.
Second chance points.

All are areas in which Miami finds ways to score. In fact, they are the majority of Miami's offensive production. Dallas does an excellent job of limiting production in all of the above.

If you thought It was important for Miami to have offensive sets against the Bulls, wait till they face Dallas, a team with players who can match Miami's athleticism and talent. You think Jason Kidd is going to be careless with the ball as a PG to create easy transition opportunities for Miami?

Jason Kidd has been to enough rodios to know how its done. Good luck getting those against him. Kidd does not turn the ball over like a Derrick Rose will. He is calm, calculated, and collected. He is a true PG in every sense of the word and a 1st ballot HOFer. The likelihood of him coughing up the ball to Miami is minimal. Any turnovers Miami would force would most likely be off of doubling Dirk, a tactic which Dallas would fully expect.

Fastbreak points are unlikely as Dallas has some of the best fastbreak defenders in the league on the wing and frontline in Marion and Chandler. Kidd can also stop breaks with crafty strips of the ball when the opposing team's player gathers.

PIP is unlikely to be high with Dallas's surly defensive frontcourt. Dirk, Chandler & Haywood are all capable post defenders with Chandler being one of the best pick n roll (an offense style which Miami implements throughly) defenders in the league next to Dwight Howard. By trying to score on Chandler at the rim, you run the risk of relying on the ref to blow the whistle which I seriously doubt Miami will get in this series.

I forsee second chance points being hard to come by for Miami. Chandler is known as a terrific rebounder especially on the offensive end, capable of going for 20 boards any night as well as Haywood and Marion being capable of providing 10 boards respectively. God forbid they get Caron Butler back for the Finals, because that would push them over the top in terms of advantages. They'd have Marion and Butler hounding Wade and James into funneled drives towards Chandler or bad jumpshots.

As much as I dislike the Dallas Mavericks & just Dallas in general, I gotta say, when fully healthy, I think they have the best roster in the NBA. When you look at the names and what they can each provide, they dont have any weak spots. The only thing they might have a weak spot at is their lowpost offense which Haywood can provide in a limited manner.

If Miami does find a way to win the series I think it will be in 7 games. I would honestly be shocked if Dallas lost in less given their display of a team not willing to give in or be eliminated regardless of the odds they face. I believe in respecting the opponent for their talent and ability even if their personality is substandard.

So my thoughts are that if Miami implements advanced sets for the offense other than basic pick n roll schemes I think they win in 7.

If they run isoherolationball than I see Dallas winning in 5. No joke.

I think out of all the opponents Miami has faced in these playoffs, Dallas is the one team that the street-ball offense wont succeed against because they have the coaching and talent to defend against it. Please dont get it twisted, I believe Eric Spoelstra is a phenomenal coach and the right man for the job, but the truth is, he and Mike Brown have the same achilles heel, they both have limited offensive minds.

When Pat Riley came to practice with sets for Spoelstra to implement, it wasn't because he was being a cheerful guy, it was because he wanted Miami to start being prepared to have conventional offense to fall back on if they ran into stagnant possessions. I hope Riley watches the film on Dallas and places more sets at the hands of Spoelstra to utilize this team efficiently.

This team cannot be allowed to swallow itself in the finals due to the heroball tactics that Wade and LeBron fall into at times. I enjoy watching LeBron & Wade play but sometimes they allow their personalities to overrule what the best decision would be in certain situations. Even the best players of all time understood the need for plays. For Jordan, the triangle was truly a blessing because of the simplicity it instilled in the team's offense. This team doesn't have any real fallback option that I've seen. Thats what separates the great coaches from the good coaches. The ability to draw up plays for both ends. As good as LeBron is running a read n react style offense, that doesn't cut it in the playoffs when you spend 3/4 of the shotclock not attempting a pass or testing an area of a stout defense.

Miami has rode these playoffs off their talent alone. You've seen it in the struggles they've had and it could come to a ugly figurehead in these finals. Offensive execution and keeping the Dallas shooters off the 3pt line will be what makes this team into champions or breaks them into pretenders. They must chase the Dallas shooters off that 3pt line as it is the Mav's biggest offensive weapon.

Nothing would pain me more than to see players like LeBron, Miller, and Bosh not win a title this year. They are worthy of a championship, and I hope that the Miami coaching staff recognizes the importance of forcing the issue, getting their star players to run plays regardless of how much they might disagree. Staggered screens (flare) for Miller, high post isolations for Bosh against Dirk to create foul trouble for him, misdirection plays, anything but stagnant possessions.
The biggest thing I have a difficulty of understanding is why the players are so reluctant to run sets. I understand the hassle of learning sets, I understand some players don't like the concept of being forced to do a specific thing without being able to move freely, but sets are designed to create quality looks for players off switches, screened out players, confusion, etc.

By having 5 players being involved in the possession through ball & player movement it forces the defense to react and make mistakes. Let us all hope that the core Heat players understand the importance of this before they learn the hard way. This is how the big myth of Miami not having a bench was devised. It's not that Miami doesn't have a bench. It's that Miami doesn't INVOLVE the bench.

Count Zarth
05-27-2011, 07:42 AM
Whitlock chimes in with a very good read.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/Whitlock-Los-Angeles-Lakers-hope-Mike-Brown-has-intel-to-derail-LeBron-James-dynasty-052611

Brown's job is to derail LeBron, Heat


If Civil War historian Shelby Foote were alive to document these NBA playoffs, he might compare Derrick Rose’s failed, end-of-regulation advances against LeBron James to “Pickett’s Charge.”

Tuesday night the rebel forces that were aligned against James, The Big Three and the Miami Heat suffered massive losses.

Watching James toy with the league’s MVP down the stretch was so demoralizing and awe-inspiring that continued resistance seems futile and misguided.

President Pat “Abraham Lincoln” Riley and Gen. LeBron “Ulysses S. Grant” James are going to win the war.

The Decision, the preseason victory celebration, the declarations about winning multiple championships and Dan Le Batard’s season-long smugness all will be justified.

Don’t read that as a prediction the Heat will win this year’s title. Dirk Nowitzki’s Mavericks can beat the Heat in a seven-game series. This year’s NBA Finals are simply a battle. It’s Gettysburg. Robert E. Lee and the rebel army didn’t surrender until 18 months after the disastrous “Pickett’s Charge.”
The NBA war is what’s important, and that is about which team will dominate the league over the next three or four seasons.

“Thibodeau’s Charge” — the ill-fated, late-game strategy of twice sending an exhausted, poor-shooting, 6-foot-2 guard one-on-one against a hungry, revenge-minded, 6-8 freak of nature — is the moment rebel sympathizers realized the futility of our cause.

Had I owned a Bulls jersey, I would’ve burned it in the streets Tuesday night.

Signs of retreat are everywhere. Charles Barkley and the entire “Inside the NBA” crew moved their studio set inside American Airlines Arena to avoid Heat supporters. NBA historian Bill Simmons called for Bulls enforcer Kurt Thomas to be activated and used to pop James and Dwyane Wade.

And this week, in the most telling sign of all, the Los Angeles Lakers reportedly have turned to Mike Brown to chaperone the end of Kobe Bryant’s career.

Again, the war is over. The only reason to dust off Brown, to give him a three-year contract with an option for a fourth, is to combat the LeBron James Era. Brown’s hire is about one thing: beating the Heat in the NBA Finals so Kobe can tie Michael Jordan with six titles.
Brown knows Bron better than any basketball coach in the world. Brown knows Bron better than Erik Spoelstra and Pat Riley know Bron.

Brown collaborated with LeBron for five seasons in Cleveland. Brown groomed the two-time MVP. You have to believe Brown spent the past month telling Lakers executives that he knows how to slow the force of nature driving the NBA.

I’m sure Bryant really does love Brian Shaw, the Phil Jackson assistant who was supposed to get the job. But why throw support behind a rookie head coach, a coach with no specific intel on your greatest rival?

I’ve read all the nice words being tossed back and forth between Brown and Bron. I don’t buy it. That’s not inside information. It’s what I know about competitors. Last year’s loss to the Boston Celtics motivated James to leave Cleveland and seek a stronger supporting cast. Last year’s loss to the Boston Celtics motivated Brown, too.

As a coach, there’s no way Brown could be happy with the way James played and conducted himself during the Boston-Cleveland series. James’ body language and actions pointed a finger at Brown and the coaching staff.

Mike Brown wants to stop the Miami dynasty as much as Dan Gilbert, as much as Kobe Bryant.

Brown is going to smile and say all the right things about James and their days together in Cleveland. Behind the scenes, in private conversations with Kobe, Brown won’t be nearly as nice and cheerful.

More than ever before, this is King James’ league now. Kobe’s skills are in decline. Tuesday night, James made Rose’s MVP trophy look fraudulent. Carmelo, Amar’e and the Knicks need a real coach. Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook are children. Dirk Nowitzki will be 33 in a few days.

It’s good to be King.

But there are always forces plotting to unseat the King.

If American drug war historian David Simon were chronicling the NBA, he might compare the Brown-Bryant collaboration to Brother Mouzone and Omar Little teaming up to take out Stringer Bell.

I see it this way: Kobe is John McCain, a hero whose time has passed. And Brown is Sarah Palin, a poorly thrown, desperate Hail Mary pass.

Mr. Arrowhead
05-27-2011, 08:22 AM
a Match up of a team that actually plays team ball with the mavs vs a team that is one on one selfish assholes in the heat.

Mr. Arrowhead
05-27-2011, 08:33 AM
GC found the perfect shirt for you

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j423/battersboxtees/mavs/mavswegotdirk_hg.gif

loochy
05-27-2011, 09:24 AM
I'm so excited for this but I'm scared of the Heat....and we CAN'T lose again...we just can't

DaKCMan AP
05-27-2011, 09:28 AM
a Match up of a team that actually plays team ball with the mavs vs a team that is one on one selfish assholes in the heat.

1. Same thing was said for Heat/Bulls

2. You're clueless if you truly believe all the Heat plays is 1-on-1, selfish ball

Mr. Arrowhead
05-27-2011, 09:33 AM
1. Same thing was said for Heat/Bulls

2. You're clueless if you truly believe all the Heat plays is 1-on-1, selfish ball

mavs have more than 1 player that can actually score unlike the bulls

DaKCMan AP
05-27-2011, 09:41 AM
mavs have more than 1 player that can actually score unlike the bulls

yay?

Hate on.

Los Pollos Hermanos
05-27-2011, 09:51 AM
It makes me nervous to see Mavs fans so confident.

loochy
05-27-2011, 09:54 AM
It makes me nervous to see Mavs fans so confident.

I don't think most of them are. Don't let Claythan trick you. Most of us are worried about how we can cover LeBron and Wade at once.

Of course, we all know that it doesn't matter what the FANS think. It seems like the players are pretty focused and taking this seriously, so that bodes well.

Mr. Arrowhead
05-27-2011, 09:55 AM
It makes me nervous to see Mavs fans so confident.

We should be confident we dominated the best Conference in the NBA. With Dirk and the boys walking out on the celebration, that just shows you they are focused and will not stop until they get the NBA finals trophy.

Los Pollos Hermanos
05-27-2011, 10:03 AM
We should be confident we dominated the best Conference in the NBA. With Dirk and the boys walking out on the celebration, that just shows you they are focused and will not stop until they get the NBA finals trophy.

I don't think the West is the better conference anymore. At least not at the top.

I think the Mavs could beat the Heat but it won't be easy. You and GC keep talking about having more then 1 scorer but truthfully, the Mavs only have 1 scorer they can count on.

Our best defensive unit are the starters. Stephenson will probably guard Wade. Marion on Lebron. Who's going to guard Bosh? Dirk? And then when they bring in Terry, Barea and Peja it will be a free for all. I don't know.

I got over-confident in '06 and I haven't fully recovered.

DaKCMan AP
05-27-2011, 10:08 AM
I don't think the West is the better conference anymore. At least not at the top.

I think the Mavs could beat the Heat but it won't be easy. You and GC keep talking about having more then 1 scorer but truthfully, the Mavs only have 1 scorer they can count on.

Our best defensive unit are the starters. Stephenson will probably guard Wade. Marion on Lebron. Who's going to guard Bosh? Dirk? And then when they bring in Terry, Barea and Peja it will be a free for all. I don't know.

I got over-confident in '06 and I haven't fully recovered.

A lot of the speculation I've heard is they'll have Dirk guard whoever is in at C for Miami so he can rest instead of guarding Bosh.

Stephenson will have his hands full with Wade since Wade will have a little bit of a break on D compared to the last two series when he was pulling heavy duty on Ray Allen (who never stops moving) and some on Derrick Rose.

IMO, Lebron destroys Marion. I know Marion has a rep for good D, but Deng played some very solid D on Lebron and The King still got his.

It'll be interesting, for sure. I see the Heat rotating several guys including Haslem, Anthony, Bosh, and Lebron on Dirk.

Except Bibby to be in when Kidd is in and Chalmers in when they switch to Barea or Terry. Except, of course, when they ditch the PG and go with the Wade-Bron-Miller-Bosh-Haslem lineup.

vailpass
05-27-2011, 10:10 AM
Dallas better pray for James to blow out a knee otherwise America's Most Hated are taking the ring.

KevB
05-27-2011, 10:26 AM
Whitlock chimes in with a very good read.

If you're going to the Whitlock well for NBA insight, you've just made yourself dumber.

ChiefsCountry
05-27-2011, 10:30 AM
Dallas fans are so funnny to listen to.

tk13
05-27-2011, 10:53 AM
I really wonder how Danny Ainge feels. He created a monster. Riley should probably give him a ring if Miami wins.

Mr. Arrowhead
05-27-2011, 11:12 AM
I don't think the West is the better conference anymore. At least not at the top.

I think the Mavs could beat the Heat but it won't be easy. You and GC keep talking about having more then 1 scorer but truthfully, the Mavs only have 1 scorer they can count on.

Our best defensive unit are the starters. Stephenson will probably guard Wade. Marion on Lebron. Who's going to guard Bosh? Dirk? And then when they bring in Terry, Barea and Peja it will be a free for all. I don't know.

I got over-confident in '06 and I haven't fully recovered.
top 2 or 3 teams are fairly even, but top to bottom the West is by far tougher than the east

Urc Burry
05-27-2011, 11:30 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=6599168

Scottie Pippin says Jordan is the best scorer the league has ever seen, but Lebron may be the best all around player.

Everyone is going crazy calling Pippin a trader, and how its not true. But I actually kind of agree with it. Lebron has him in rebounding, passing, and defense. Lebron really only has to add about 6 NBA finals championships and he should be there.

loochy
05-27-2011, 11:48 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=6599168

Scottie Pippin says Jordan is the best scorer the league has ever seen, but Lebron may be the best all around player.

Everyone is going crazy calling Pippin a trader, and how its not true. But I actually kind of agree with it. Lebron has him in rebounding, passing, and defense. Lebron really only has to add about 6 NBA finals championships and he should be there.

This guy is a trader?
http://www.myreadingobsession.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Pippin3.jpg

Why would a hobbit have an opinion about basketball? I wasn't aware that they played basketball in Middle Earth.

What kind of trader is he?

A stock trader?
http://www.superforexlauncher.com/icons/trader.jpg

A fur trader?
http://retrospective.whm3.com/images/fur_trader/fur_trader_20050808_003.jpg

A baseball card trader?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UOk3nQn2Pns/RuvvH0RxaHI/AAAAAAAAAnc/AtohXb8KpvQ/s320/trade13.jpg

A Joe Trader?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KWi4i1zJIcE/TdcXCWU8ZfI/AAAAAAAADUc/oGYGDPz7-mE/s1600/trader-joes-storefront.jpg

Mr. Arrowhead
05-27-2011, 11:51 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=6599168

Scottie Pippin says Jordan is the best scorer the league has ever seen, but Lebron may be the best all around player.

Everyone is going crazy calling Pippin a trader, and how its not true. But I actually kind of agree with it. Lebron has him in rebounding, passing, and defense. Lebron really only has to add about 6 NBA finals championships and he should be there.

How many times did Jordan win Defensive player of the year?

vailpass
05-27-2011, 11:56 AM
How many times did Jordan win Defensive player of the year?

Comparing that neanderthal James to Michael at this point is beyond insane. Mind you, Mike accomplished all of this as the undisputed leader of his team. LeBron is part of a three-way.

Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame Class of 2009
2 Olympic Gold Medals – 1984, 1992
6-time NBA Champion
6-time NBA Finals MVP
5-time NBA MVP
10 NBA Scoring Titles
3-time steals leader
3-time minutes leader
14 NBA All-Star Selections
3-time NBA All-Star Game MVP
11 All-NBA Selections
9 All-Defensive First Team Selections
2-time NBA Slam Dunk Contest Champion – 1987, 1988
NBA Rookie of the Year – 1984–85
NBA Defensive Player of the Year – 1987–88
NCAA National Championship - University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill: 1981—82
ACC Freshman of the Year – 1981–82
2-time Consensus NCAA All-American First Team – 1982–83, 1983–84
ACC Men's Basketball Player of the Year – 1983–84
USBWA College Player of the Year – 1983–84
Naismith College Player of the Year – 1983–84
John R. Wooden Award – 1983–84
Adolph Rupp Trophy – 1983–84
Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year – 1991
Named one of the 50 Greatest Players in NBA History in 1996
Ranked #1 by SLAM Magazine's Top 50 Players of All-Time
Ranked #1 by ESPN Sportscentury's Top 100 Athletes of the 20th century
Elected to North Carolina Sports Hall of Fame

Mr. Arrowhead
05-27-2011, 12:00 PM
Comparing that neanderthal James to Michael at this point is beyond insane. Mind you, Mike accomplished all of this as the undisputed leader of his team. LeBron is part of a three-way.


I was actually being serious, and I totally agree, no one should even compare Lebron to Jordan until he get multiple rings

vailpass
05-27-2011, 12:03 PM
I was actually being serious, and I totally agree, no one should even compare Lebron to Jordan until he get multiple rings

I know you were, I was putting the numbers up in support of your point.

Serious question for all: Say you had to asseble a team to win a basketball game and your life was literally on the line. If your team loses you die.

Is there anyone here who would not take Michael Jordan first overall if you could assemble a team of any 5 players you wanted?

okcchief
05-27-2011, 12:20 PM
What are the Thunder going to do, OKC? Westbrook, Harden, Durant, Ibaka, & Maynor are foundational pieces. Perk will be there (most likely, barring a trade) and Sef probably isn't going anywhere.

Who do they pickup? For whom do they trade? Give me SOMETHING, man.

Edit: Damn, they're young.

I don't know that we need to do a lot but keep getting better. We are a young team who is right on the brink and we'll be better just from this years experience.

I would definitely get rid of Byron Mullens and Nate Robinson and try to find some other pieces we need. They don't have to be stars. I don't know if we resign Cook or Mohamed either. If not we need a pure three point shooter and a backup center. We could use those even if we don't. We could use a Jeff Green type player that comes off the bench but has a much lower price range to spell some minutes when the scorers are resting. I have no names really. I'm not even sure who the free agents are this year to be honest. I can tell you Presti has a boner over a guy we drafted last year named Tibor Pleiss from Germany. He's been playing over there but I'm pretty sure they are bringing him over here next year. He's 7'2 and I'm praying the second coming of Dirk lol

okcchief
05-27-2011, 12:26 PM
I don't think the West is the better conference anymore. At least not at the top.

I think the Mavs could beat the Heat but it won't be easy. You and GC keep talking about having more then 1 scorer but truthfully, the Mavs only have 1 scorer they can count on.

Our best defensive unit are the starters. Stephenson will probably guard Wade. Marion on Lebron. Who's going to guard Bosh? Dirk? And then when they bring in Terry, Barea and Peja it will be a free for all. I don't know.

I got over-confident in '06 and I haven't fully recovered.

The West is way better at the top than the East with the exception of Miami. I think OKC, Portland, Denver, Memphis, LA COULD beat anyone in the East outside of Miami in a 7 game series. The Bulls and Celts would beat some depending on matchups.

Miami is as good as anyone in the West though if not better.

milkman
05-27-2011, 12:31 PM
I know you were, I was putting the numbers up in support of your point.

Serious question for all: Say you had to asseble a team to win a basketball game and your life was literally on the line. If your team loses you die.

Is there anyone here who would not take Michael Jordan first overall if you could assemble a team of any 5 players you wanted?

I would take Magic before Michael.

I've said this before.

Magic, while not as athletically gifted as some of the other great players, like Jordan and James, is, IMO, the greatest team player the league has ever seen.

He had the ability to take over games, but no one made the players around him better more effectively than Magic.

James, IMO is close, and Jordan, I think, could have been every bit as effective if he chose to, but as I said in the Pippen thread, he has a scorer's mindset.

KevB
05-27-2011, 12:50 PM
I would take Magic before Michael.

I've said this before.

Magic, while not as athletically gifted as some of the other great players, like Jordan and James, is, IMO, the greatest team player the league has ever seen.

He had the ability to take over games, but no one made the players around him better more effectively than Magic.

James, IMO is close, and Jordan, I think, could have been every bit as effective if he chose to, but as I said in the Pippen thread, he has a scorer's mindset.

If it's a game for your life and you don't take MJ, you're nuts. Nobody has ever had the will to win like MJ, that's a characteristic that set him apart and makes him the best ever. I can appreciate your point about Magic making everyone better, but I don't want to depend on "everyone" with my life on the line. I want Jordan, and everyone else is incidental.

Let's say the game comes down to the last shot, like so many big games do. You want Magic taking that shot, Magic passing to an open teammate who's inferior, or MJ with the dagger?

milkman
05-27-2011, 01:11 PM
If it's a game for your life and you don't take MJ, you're nuts. Nobody has ever had the will to win like MJ, that's a characteristic that set him apart and makes him the best ever. I can appreciate your point about Magic making everyone better, but I don't want to depend on "everyone" with my life on the line. I want Jordan, and everyone else is incidental.

Let's say the game comes down to the last shot, like so many big games do. You want Magic taking that shot, Magic passing to an open teammate who's inferior, or MJ with the dagger?

I've said this before.

Magic and the Lakers had to win against great teams to reach the Finals and win it.

The Bulls couldn't get past the Celtics or the Pistons until those teams aged, and won against the Lakers as they were breaking down.

There were no great teams that rivaled the Bulls in their heydey.

I'd take Magic.

Simply Red
05-27-2011, 01:19 PM
I would take Magic before Michael.

I've said this before.

Magic, while not as athletically gifted as some of the other great players, like Jordan and James, is, IMO, the greatest team player the league has ever seen.

He had the ability to take over games, but no one made the players around him better more effectively than Magic.

James, IMO is close, and Jordan, I think, could have been every bit as effective if he chose to, but as I said in the Pippen thread, he has a scorer's mindset.

PLUS he has the AIDS

Simply Red
05-27-2011, 01:22 PM
knock Haslem all you want, he CAN play. Nothing else - he hustles, that's an important oversight, mostly.

milkman
05-27-2011, 01:24 PM
knock Haslem all you want, he CAN play. Nothing else - he hustles, that's an important oversight, mostly.

Haslem gives that Heat team a physical presense they were lacking.

tk13
05-27-2011, 01:25 PM
I actually agree that Magic and Bird made their teammates better than Jordan or LeBron... even though they weren't as talented overall. I really think people kinda forget after a while. Like these Dirk to Bird comparisons... totally not worthy. Yeah Bird was a big white dude who could shoot the lights out... but he also is probably one of the five greatest basketball players ever in terms of court vision, if not the top 1 or 2. There isn't a player in the last 15 years of the NBA that has 75% of Bird or Magic's court awareness, and that might be underestimating it.

But I agree Jordan's will is what sets him apart, even from LeBron. If I needed one shot to win a game it'd definitely be Jordan or Bird.

Simply Red
05-27-2011, 01:27 PM
Bird was so damned fun to watch, man - just silky smooth.

Simply Red
05-27-2011, 01:28 PM
Haslem gives that Heat team a physical presense they were lacking.

mmhmm, he's an annoying, fiesty body in there.

The Bad Guy
05-27-2011, 02:34 PM
LeBron has Jordan as a defender? Who comes up with this bullshit?

KC_Connection
05-27-2011, 03:12 PM
I think the Heat are better, too, but the Mavs are firing on all cylinders themselves.


To think that this series will end in 5 is amazing to me, that's all.
The Heat just took out a 60+ win team in five games. Without home advantage. There's nothing amazing about thinking they could do the same to an arguably lesser team in Dallas with home advantage.

KC_Connection
05-27-2011, 03:14 PM
A lot of the speculation I've heard is they'll have Dirk guard whoever is in at C for Miami so he can rest instead of guarding Bosh.

Stephenson will have his hands full with Wade since Wade will have a little bit of a break on D compared to the last two series when he was pulling heavy duty on Ray Allen (who never stops moving) and some on Derrick Rose.

IMO, Lebron destroys Marion. I know Marion has a rep for good D, but Deng played some very solid D on Lebron and The King still got his.

It'll be interesting, for sure. I see the Heat rotating several guys including Haslem, Anthony, Bosh, and Lebron on Dirk.

Except Bibby to be in when Kidd is in and Chalmers in when they switch to Barea or Terry. Except, of course, when they ditch the PG and go with the Wade-Bron-Miller-Bosh-Haslem lineup.
LeBron will be covering Dirk at the end of games, I assume. He may be the only guy in the league with the size, quickness, and mobility to keep him down.

vailpass
05-27-2011, 03:18 PM
The Heat just took out a 60+ win team in five games. Without home advantage. There's nothing amazing about thinking they could do the same to an arguably lesser team in Dallas with home advantage.

Yep.

BigCatDaddy
05-28-2011, 08:17 AM
I'll complain about this every year until they change it but the 2-3-2 format in the finals is stupid as hell. If they are worried about travel just put 1 more day off in there.

Count Zarth
05-28-2011, 08:40 AM
I'll complain about this every year until they change it but the 2-3-2 format in the finals is stupid as hell. If they are worried about travel just put 1 more day off in there.

Dallas is going to win the series because of this.

They have been the best road team in the playoffs. They will steal one on the road and take all three games at home.

Dallas in 5 bitches.

Count Zarth
05-28-2011, 08:42 AM
LeBron will be covering Dirk at the end of games, I assume. He may be the only guy in the league with the size, quickness, and mobility to keep him down.

It doesn't matter. Dirk is taller than Lebron and shoots from behind his head. Dirk will get a shot off.

Dirk is god. Heat fans should begin praying because he is their only salvation. Repent now and you may be spared his wrath.

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DaKCMan AP
05-28-2011, 08:53 AM
Dallas is going to win the series because of this.

They have been the best road team in the playoffs. They will steal one on the road and take all three games at home.

Dallas in 5 bitches.

Dallas and Miami were the two best road teams in the regular season. Dallas is 5-2 on the road in the playoffs, Miami is 4-3.

Miami has been the best home team during the playoffs at 8-0. Dallas is 6-1.

You are full of shit, as usual.

BigCatDaddy
05-28-2011, 08:59 AM
Dallas is going to win the series because of this.

They have been the best road team in the playoffs. They will steal one on the road and take all three games at home.

Dallas in 5 bitches.

They really have to steal a game or it's over. It's a tall order to win a series when you have to basically win 3 games in a row.

Count Zarth
05-28-2011, 09:03 AM
Portland and Oklahoma City are two of the toughest venues to play at. Miami didn't visit anywhere close.

DaKCMan AP
05-28-2011, 09:03 AM
Portland and Oklahoma City are two of the toughest venues to play at. Miami didn't visit anywhere close.

ROFL

Boston and Chicago aren't tough venues?

Rausch
05-28-2011, 09:04 AM
They really have to steal a game or it's over. It's a tall order to win a series when you have to basically win 3 games in a row.

Agreed.

Miami in 5.

Mr. Arrowhead
05-28-2011, 09:20 AM
Dallas has won 10 out of their last 11 games, and havent lost a road game since game 4 in Portland in the first round.

Count Zarth
05-28-2011, 09:21 AM
fuck yeah

http://blogs.thescore.com.s3.amazonaws.com/tbj/files/2011/05/Sick.jpg

Mr. Arrowhead
05-28-2011, 10:01 AM
**** yeah

http://blogs.thescore.com.s3.amazonaws.com/tbj/files/2011/05/Sick.jpg

Nice and accurate

Count Zarth
05-28-2011, 10:02 AM
Dirk is trophy magnet

I steal your trophy lebron

mwa ha

This trophy nice and shiny after I give it an ethnic cleansing!

Mr. Arrowhead
05-28-2011, 10:10 AM
New shirt making its way in Cleveland

http://blogs.thescore.com.s3.amazonaws.com/tbj/files/2011/05/lets-go-mavs-shirt.jpg

Pitt Gorilla
05-28-2011, 10:13 AM
There isn't a player in the last 15 years of the NBA that has 75% of Bird or Magic's court awareness, and that might be underestimating it.That, of course, is complete bullshit. They were both great floor generals, but so was John Stockton. Chris Paul and Jason Kidd are right there as well, with players like Steve Nash and Deron Williams just behind. I'm not sure how you're measuring your 75% nonsense, but these players should all be right there.

Ebolapox
05-28-2011, 01:28 PM
hats off to the heat, but fuck the heat. fuck their shit up, mavs!

tk13
05-28-2011, 02:00 PM
That, of course, is complete bullshit. They were both great floor generals, but so was John Stockton. Chris Paul and Jason Kidd are right there as well, with players like Steve Nash and Deron Williams just behind. I'm not sure how you're measuring your 75% nonsense, but these players should all be right there.

You can feign all the anger you want. Those guys are all amazing point guards, great passers, great court vision, I never said otherwise. But I think the thing that set Magic and Bird apart were their court vision. They had almost superhuman court awareness.

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Count Zarth
05-28-2011, 02:06 PM
Jesus, those over and behind his head passes from Bird...no one does that shit anymore. JESUS.

LiveSteam
05-28-2011, 02:40 PM
Bird = best bounce passer EVER!

Mr. Arrowhead
05-28-2011, 08:41 PM
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DaKCMan AP
05-29-2011, 07:40 AM
Heat are America's worst nightmare

The team everyone loves to hate about to prove everyone wrong

Dave Hyde
Sun Sentinel Columnist
9:09 p.m. EDT, May 28, 2011

MIAMI — This is your nightmare, America.

This is your deepest sports fear. This is the team you wanted to fall, still standing. This is the player the national media promised couldn't win the big one, on the verge of winning the biggest one of all.

This is the voice that for months preached patience to your ridicule, that talked sacrifice to your scoffing, that only asked to let this season play out to the continuous sound of you letting your glee out.

"We're still four wins away,'' LeBron James said.

Oh, Lord. Not him, huh?

"We're going to work like we always have,'' Heat coach Erik Spoelstra said.

And, please, not them, right?

The bad news, America, is the Heat are still going. Here's the worst: If Dallas can't step forward and save the Republic in these NBA Finals, what will stop the Heat over the next several years?

Injuries?

Prayers?

Dwight Howard to the Lakers?

This was the year to chop down the Heat. They looked like a kid lost in the mall at times. They struggled. They argued. They had key injuries and the Internet world rummaging through their timeout huddles on a nightly basis.

They still needed barely more than the minimum in running through the Eastern Conference. They trumped Philadelphia, Boston and Chicago in five games each. Close games. But close series?

Moses Malone once famously was asked by writers what Philadelphia would need to win a title. He said four wins in each series. Actually, what he famously said was, "Fo, fo, fo."

So after picking the Heat over the Celtics in five, then the Heat over the Bulls in five, why change now? The Heat postseason should read, "Fi, fi, fi, fi."

Wait until Heat President Pat Riley gets an offseason to fill in the holes. And wait until players line up this summer to play for the Heat. Mike Bibby offered a sign of things to come in February when he ripped up the $6.2 million deal he was guaranteed next season to play with the Heat this year.

So Dallas is your last hope, America. And it's a good one if you look how it's spun through the Western Conference as easily as the Heat has the East. Their offensive star, Dirk Nowitzki, is fueled by a 2006 Finals loss to the Heat, too. He feels this is his chance for a title

That's a storyline. Here's another: LeBron James needs to win one for his legacy more. Nowitzki was called one of the game's 10 greatest players by his coach and the national media only debated if he actually was one of the 10 or 20 greatest. That won't change if he loses this series.

Everything changes for LeBron, though. Everyone's attacks return. And do you know what owner shoveled the most dirt on him and the Heat behind Cleveland's Dan Gilbert?

Dallas owner Mark Cuban demanded the league investigate the Heat's signing of the Big Three. He said he warned LeBron against signing with the Heat, because, "no team had ever blown up their team and then added a couple free agents and won a championship. It's always taken someone coming from a good team to make it better and put them over the top."

He went on Dallas radio and said this to the co-hosts about the Heat's November swoon, "Hallelujah, boys, is this great or what? … How cool is that? Now they could still turn it around and win out for all that matters, but you're starting to see some of the problems.

"Any team with a strong, big guy that can score, they're getting abused by…They just don't have size to battle. They have the fewest points in the paint of any team and that's tough."

Now Cuban has gone silent, like most of the Heat critics. And guess what, America?

It's not November anymore. It's May. It's the NBA Finals. And it's your worst nightmare, because the Heat are still playing.

Dallas is the last hope for you now. And not just the last hope for this year. The way the Heat is set up and the NBA landscape looks, this might be your best hope to stop the Heat for the next several years.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/fl-hyde-miami-heat-0529-20110528,0,2187865.column

DaKCMan AP
05-29-2011, 07:51 AM
1. The Dirk Nowitzki riddle isn't the big one of the series. The No. 1 media topic heading into this series will be how the Heat will stop Dirk Nowitzki. That's natural. Nowitzki is a 7-foot, acrobatic scoring machine. But the answer is easy. They'll use Chris Bosh, Udonis Haslem and - in making basketball history - LeBron James. That'll mean James has covered 6-8 shooting forward Paul Pierce, 6-2 point guard Derrick Rose and now 7-foot Nowitzki in succeeding series. Nowitzki will get points. But who does Dallas have to match up with LeBron James and Dwyane Wade? That'll be the story of the series, just as it has been in every series to date. Shawn Marion will no doubt try to stop LeBron. He is a good defender. But let's not get carried away - he ranked tied for last among the 42 players who received All-Defensive team votes this year. And Wade? Jason Terry? He's a scorer, not a defender. The media, as usual, will be asking this question backwards by focusing so heavily on Dirk.The past couple of series against Chicago and Boston should have taught everyone that.

2. The Heat's weaknesses aren't the Dallas strengths. Boston threatened the Heat with an attacking point guard and veteran toughness. Chicago threatened the Heat with an attacking point guard and great rebounding team. These are the places the Heat are vulnerable. But Dallas's threat isn't as great in these places. It starts 38-year-old point guard Jason Kidd, who is a facilitator, not an attacker. His back-up is a lightning-quick attacker in J.J. Barrea, who can be schemed off the floor if the Heat go big. Its big man, Tyson Chandler, was a second-team All-Defense pick but averages 8 points a game. And rebounding? Dallas was an average rebounding team (14th in the league this year).

http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports/columnists/hyde/blog/2011/05/hyde5_five_reasons_im_again_pi.html

Count Zarth
05-29-2011, 07:57 AM
That idiot doesn't know what he's talking about. Stevenson will destroy Lebron and Kidd's defense has been stellar. Wade is toast.

Dirk is not guardable.

The Heat's weaknesses are poor three point shooting and poor three point defense. The Mavericks happen to be stellar in both categories.

Ignorant stuff.

Count Zarth
05-29-2011, 08:02 AM
I'm lolling at the notion that the Heat might outrebound the Mavericks or win by going big.

Tyson Chandler is going to fuck up the Heat.

Ask the Lakers bigs how they handled Barea.

DaKCMan AP
05-29-2011, 08:06 AM
That idiot doesn't know what he's talking about. Stevenson will destroy Lebron and Kidd's defense has been stellar. Wade is toast.

Dirk is not guardable.

The Heat's weaknesses are poor three point shooting and poor three point defense. The Mavericks happen to be stellar in both categories.

Ignorant stuff.

You show your lack of basketball IQ the more you post.

Stevenson is going to destroy Lebron? LMAO

The Heat were 9th in 3pt defense this season. That's hardly a weakness. Dallas was 11th in the league in 3pt shooting this season. That's hardly stellar.

You are correct about one thing: you post ignorant stuff.

DaKCMan AP
05-29-2011, 08:08 AM
As the NBA Finals approach, we solicited input from three analysts ( Jeff Van Gundy, Jack Ramsay and Steve Kerr) and two veteran scouts. Some feedback:

• Although Chris Bosh is expected to open on Dirk Nowitzki — and Udonis Haslem will defend him some, too — Kerr said, “I’d be shocked if LeBron James doesn’t guard him in the fourth quarter. With LeBron’s strength and quickness, he could beat him to the spot and knock him off balance a little. There’s nobody with the size/speed combo LeBron has.”

• As Van Gundy said, James is “indefensible when he’s making jump shots like this.” But Ramsay warned, “Do not underestimate Shawn Marion. He is an incredible defender; I never knew he had it in him. He did a phenomenal job challenging Kevin Durant on every shot. While it might look like a big advantage for James, Marion is longer and has great hops.”

• Beyond the usual worries of defending Dwyane Wade, one scout said Dallas is especially vulnerable when starter DeShawn Stevenson (averaging 15.3 minutes) is on the bench and Dallas goes with a J.J. Barea/Jason Terry backcourt. Van Gundy suggests the Mavs use Jason Kidd on Wade a lot (“Kidd can guard [shooting] guards better than point guards”) or play a zone at times, which they’ve done. The Heat shot 38.8 percent against zones this season (73 for 188) — sixth-worst in the NBA.

Also, Dallas takes a lot of threes and “long shots often equal long rebounds, which can ignite the Heat in transition,” one of the scouts said. Dallas was 11th in three-point percentage; Miami was ninth defending threes.

• Kerr expects Dallas to have difficulty with the Heat lineup that closed the past two victories — Wade, James, Bosh, Mike Miller and Haslem: “Terry will have to guard Wade some, and that’s tough. If you play Barea against that lineup in crunch time, you might need to put him on Miller,” who’s eight inches taller.

• One scout said: “Oklahoma City had no one to throw the ball to in the post and put heat on Dirk. Bosh can do that. You have to force Dirk to defend” and hope he gets in foul trouble. But Kerr said the Mavs should have Nowitzki — not Tyson Chandler — guard Bosh because “they need Chandler at the rim” to rebound and alter shots.

• Despite Dallas’ big Chandler/ Brendan Haywood center combo, the consensus is Miami does not need to use a natural backup center “because Haywood is a nonscorer and Chandler isn’t a big scorer,” a scout said.

• One scout expects Barea’s penetration will be problematic for Mike Bibby and Mario Chalmers; “you might need to put Wade on him” at times. Bibby is shooting 26.3 percent, but “he does a nice job organizing the team. Stick with him,” Kerr said.

• Van Gundy said though some teams “would look at it as one or the other,” he believes Miami is good enough defensively to send a second defender at Nowitzki at times and still not allow many open threes (which is tricky). “As a coach, we always felt Terry had to be stopped. Wade can do a great job on him.’’

• Kerr said he leans toward Miami in the series because of its stars and “they have so many two-way players. Dallas has to make threes consistently, and Miami closes out so well.” Said Van Gundy: “I don’t think Dallas is any greater challenge than what Miami faced in Boston and Chicago. To go 8-2 against those two teams is remarkable. They are facing a player in Nowitzki on a special roll. But Miami has a player who has been on a roll for five years. James is the best player in the NBA, and Miami has the ability to cover up for bad games by one of its stars. Nowitzki doesn’t have that. And this is clearly the best defense Dallas has faced.”


Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/05/29/v-fullstory/2240534/analysts-break-down-heat-series.html#ixzz1Nka6cpwi

Count Zarth
05-29-2011, 08:12 AM
Stevenson is the Lebron Killer.

Lebron sucked this year against the Mavs.

The Heat were 9th in 3pt defense this season. That's hardly a weakness. Dallas was 11th in the league in 3pt shooting this season. That's hardly stellar.


Go and look at playoff averages. Heat are entering a world of three-point pain.

Count Zarth
05-29-2011, 08:12 AM
Lebron will have a shitty series but he will make Wade look like he's ready for retirement.

Count Zarth
05-29-2011, 08:18 AM
Miami has the ability to cover up for bad games by one of its stars. Nowitzki doesn’t have that.

That is such utter bullshit. Dirk was barely involved in the Mavs Game 4 blowout of the Lakers and was very mediocre in one of the wins against OKC. The Mavs won those games because of their bench and because Marion stepped up.

Dallas is far more well equipped to survive a bad game from Dirk than the Heat are from one of their big three. Who else is going to step up? Mike Miller? Chalmers? ROFL

This is what the national media apparently doesn't get. Anyone on Dallas can hurt you on any given night. ANYONE. Dirk, Terry, Marion, Peja, Barea, Chandler...any of them can go off for 20 unexpectedly. Shit the Mavs could get 10 from Brendan fucking Haywood in a game. That's like getting 40 from Dirk.

The Heat have three guys and they all have to be on constantly for them to beat Dallas.

DaKCMan AP
05-29-2011, 08:30 AM
LMAO

It's going to be fun when Claythan's faulty premises come crashing down in flames.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJQZyf6eYmO287WoSB8b2rQ3ExL0TT0MOsLiRXxuWs73b2iySh&t=1

Count Zarth
05-29-2011, 08:34 AM
LMAO

It's going to be fun when Claythan's faulty premises come crashing down in flames.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJQZyf6eYmO287WoSB8b2rQ3ExL0TT0MOsLiRXxuWs73b2iySh&t=1

When Dirk puts out the Heat, he will henceforth be known as the Fireman.

DaKCMan AP
05-29-2011, 09:46 AM
Miami Heat has sacrificed much to reach NBA Finals

BY DAN LE BATARD

DLEBATARD@MIAMIHERALD.COM

Cut through the noise and nonsense. Go to the core of what we are actually watching here. Don’t let your clarity get clouded by the color you paint your face. Don’t let anger clog your filter. Just make these players faceless. Take the names off the uniforms.
And let’s start with the starters:

The point guard has been in the league for more than a decade. His body is kind of broken. He has played nearly 100 playoff games, not one of them in the NBA Finals. On his last legs, he wants a championship. How much is it worth to him? At least $6.2 million. That’s how much he gave up. All he had to do next season was show up for work in Washington. That money is now gone forever, though. He can’t and won’t get it back next year, his body not quite as healthy as his desire. So, clearly, he plays now for the kind of riches not measured in dollars. But here’s the shocking part: Many of his teammates, plural, have given up more money than him.

The center is a self-made stoic who works so hard that his boss has had to kick him out of the gym and tell security not to let him back in. And he has snuck back in anyway. He is a very quiet overachiever. Never talks trash. You won’t see a change of expression from him, or any kind of outburst, not even when he blocks five shots in a playoff game. All the little things basketball millionaires don’t like to do? That’s the entirety of his job. It would be hard for him to be a more model teammate. His current coach once told others that he simply wasn’t NBA material. But he proved him wrong with work, not words. He won’t tell you how much he cares. No, he will show you.

The power forward is unusually introspective and honest. You don’t get that combination much in this testosterone-soaked world, bravado often a mask for the vulnerable. This gets him called soft, even though the soft don’t survive in this jungle, never mind average 19 and 8. After a playoff victory in which he scored 34 points, he revealed that he didn’t know he had a big ego until he got here and had to start sacrificing shots, glory, money. When do you ever hear that? This was after he admitted that the first playoff game in Boston rattled his emotional equilibrium. When do ever hear that? He will never again be The Man on his team, but he does endure a disproportionate amount of the criticism when things go wrong. He’s OK with that. He explains in his way that you never know how hard sacrifices really are until you are actually making them.

The shooting guard is unusually humble for a superstar. Professional, too, always. He has this way of treating arena security, staff and workers with gentle grace. His teammates take his lead. They follow him, out of respect. He goes to the gym late, late at night to work on his shot alone, after all these years. It is odd to say, but the two-time MVP of the league looks up to him. They have a little-brother-big-brother relationship and are genuine friends. Pressed, the shooting guard says awkwardly in this testosterone-soaked world that, yes, they love each other. The Heat was banking on this respect to reform any bad habits a big ego might have picked up in Cleveland. And, following big brother’s lead, it is worth noting that, despite the storm around them, neither of them has failed to live up to a media responsibility this entire noisy season.

But the two-time MVP is the problem, of course. He did a TV show that still echoes all these months later. It felt soaked in ego, hubris, bad advice and lack of self-awareness. Still, the sacrifices he made to win are real and large. His good name and image, for one. And then there’s this: He’s making $19 million less than Joe Johnson. He made these sacrifices to admit he needed help — something a frustrated Derrick Rose now sees clearly as he finally gets past little brother and finds big brother waiting for him at the rim. An hour of TV has overwhelmed the choice he made, but it isn’t irrelevant that the very worst thing this team has done all season resulted in a multi-million-dollar donation to a boys and girls club in Connecticut.

And how about the best players off the bench? How much do they care? The power forward is a hometown guy who has only sacrificed $24 million to remain in Miami. He is always thanking Pat Riley, publicly and privately, for believing in him when no one else did, and he repays this with a gratitude you see in elbows, floor burns and a rushed return from injury. By his side is the shooter who can’t really shoot because his thumbs don’t work. He will need surgery after the season. He should have had it already, actually, but he declined because this is how his playoff résumé looks after a decade in the league:

• 2000-2001: Four games.
• 2001-2002: Four games.
• 2003-2004: Four games.
• 2004-2005: Four games.
• 2005-2006: Four games.

And none since.

So he took less money to be here, and he keeps diving all over the floor with thumbs that don’t work, and he flies to Chicago despite having a sick infant in the hospital, because of how much he cares about winning. It doesn’t sound like there is much of anything that’ll keep him from appreciating every moment in the 12 playoff games he already has played this year with those thumbs that don’t work.

Put this team in an Olympic uniform, and our country would wrap itself in the flag and root for this group with uncommon zeal.

Alas, the word “Miami” is stretched across the jersey. So, instead, America will now root for the German guy.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/05/28/v-fullstory/2239335/miami-heat-has-sacrificed-much.html#ixzz1Nkz12Mz4

Le Batard is Awesome.

milkman
05-29-2011, 10:02 AM
When Dirk puts out the Heat, he will henceforth be known as the Fireman.

I don't have a dog in this fight, though it wouldn't hurt my feelings any should the Heat lose, but historically a team with only a single star hasn't fared well.

Role players can have big games, but when it comes right down to it, the team with the most talent at the top usually wins.

Even Wilt Chamberlain, the greatest scorer ever, and the most dominating force in the paint, couldn't do it by himself.

Count Zarth
05-30-2011, 03:15 AM
Bench points in the playoffs:

Mavericks - 591
Heat - 265

Mr. Flopnuts
05-30-2011, 04:30 AM
While this was already going to be a great series, the dynamic on this board alone between GC, and Mr. Awesome has made it glorious to behold. Someone is going to have their faces rubbed in shit.

Count Zarth
05-30-2011, 06:22 AM
Miami is entering a world of pain. This is not the '06 Dirk.

http://asubstituteforwar.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/dirks4.jpg?w=452&h=124


Let’s start off noticing that Dirk’s averaging 25+ PPG on 60+% TS for the 3rd playoff in a row. No one has ever done that. In fact only two other players in history have managed it 3 times in their career (Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Reggie Miller).

Even more amazing, is that as things stand now, this is the 3rd year in a row that Dirk’s PER has improved by 5 or more points in the playoffs. I don’t have the data handy to say whether this has ever been done before.

What I can tell you is that Dirk’s career playoff PER is now the 7th best in NBA history, and among the top 6 players, Hakeem Olajuwon is the only one who managed the feat more than once in his entire career (he did it twice).

Dirk has truly emerged as someone who routinely raises his play on the biggest stage in a manner up there with any of the greats in history.

How can he do this if he’s still the same old Dirk? Well, obviously he’s not the player he used to be. As with most NBA stars that have continue to have success as they age, Dirk has become more aware, more savvy, and more resilient. The methods used to shut him down before are now either quickly nullified by a smart move, or taken advantage of with a decisive pass. In the regular season, this improvement goes under the radar as he conserves minutes and doesn’t rack up buckets like the younger stars do, but come playoff time, the man now knows exactly what to do.

Los Pollos Hermanos
05-30-2011, 06:35 AM
Miami is entering a world of pain. This is not the '06 Dirk.


It's not exactly the '06 Heat team either.

You're making me nervous. I won't be able to come to this thread if the Mavs lose.

DaKCMan AP
05-30-2011, 08:03 AM
Bench points in the playoffs:

Mavericks - 591
Heat - 265

If they only counted bench points that could be a problem. Thankfully, points scored by starters count too.

Miami is entering a world of pain. This is not the '06 Dirk.

http://asubstituteforwar.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/dirks4.jpg?w=452&h=124

So what you're saying is that Dirk has done this the previous two playoffs and it's not enough to win a ring? Cool.

PunkinDrublic
05-30-2011, 08:21 AM
If they only counted bench points that could be a problem. Thankfully, points scored by starters count too.



So what you're saying is that Dirk has done this the previous two playoffs and it's not enough to win a ring? Cool.

You accuse Clay of having a low basketball IQ and then you come back with this lame rebuttal. Like it or not having a deeper bench is a huge factor. You better hope other players step up because odds are D Whistle will not be able to rely on phantom calls to bail Miami out like in 06.

DaKCMan AP
05-30-2011, 08:26 AM
You accuse Clay of having a low basketball IQ and then you come back with this lame rebuttal. Like it or not having a deeper bench is a huge factor.

Not so much in the playoffs. The Heat have been going with a solid 8-man rotation. They rarely get into foul trouble and since there is time off between games it gives them rest. Depth is nice, but you can only play 5 guys at a time.

DaKCMan AP
05-30-2011, 08:35 AM
Coach 'X': Mavs have no easy answers for Wade, James

By Ira Winderman
South Florida Sun Sentinel
3:57 p.m. EDT, May 29, 2011

MIAMI— So how do the Miami Heat and Dallas Mavericks match up in the NBA Finals?

You'll be hearing plenty in coming days from pundits who make a living off such analysis.

But what about someone who has to go through more than the theoretical exercise?

To that end, the Sun Sentinel spoke this weekend with a current NBA head coach who has dealt with the headaches presented by each team. Because of his position, he asked his name not be used.

He touched on several areas of note.

On LeBron James defending Dirk Nowitzki at crunch time: "I think if there's one guy in the league that can guard Dirk, it's got to be LeBron. He has the size, the quickness, the speed, the strength, the smartness. I don't think he gets just due for what he does defensively. The guy's as good as anybody. I've never seen a guy that size, with that kind of quickness, that he takes it upon himself to be a great defensive player."

On Shawn Marion attempting to back up his recent defensive success when he defends James: "I'm in shock with him. He's played great. But. But. But. He'll guard the hell out of Kevin Durant, but he'll never guard a real physical guy like LeBron, never. He will shy totally away from any contact that LeBron wants to give him. K.D., those guys, don't bother him at all. He will not guard LeBron James, Artest, anybody like that."

On the notion that Jason Kidd can defend Dwyane Wade: "Jason Kidd is much better guarding Kobe Bryant than he is Dwyane Wade, because Kobe is kind of a strength guy not really a quickness guy. Jason doesn't have the quickness."

On Dallas impacting the series with their zone defense: "That's the one thing that bothers me about the Heat. And I think you will see a lot of zone against them. If they go to zone, they've got to have James Jones in the game. And if you have James Jones in the game, who do you take out?"

On how the Heat will defend Nowitzki on the pick-and-roll: "I think what you'll see Miami do a lot of, and I'll be shocked if they didn't, they'll stay attached to Dirk, what we call, 'push the screen' up and then just go under it. I think they'll stay attached. I don't think they will be hard-showing and then trying to rotate to Dirk. I think they'll stay attached to him, push the screen up. I think the guard guarding the screener will go under, too, and I think they'll make J.J. Barea and Jason Kidd and those guys make jump shots off the move, behind a screen."


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/sfl-miami-heat-nba-coach-s052911,0,7957591.story

Count Zarth
05-30-2011, 08:39 AM
Lebron James didn't do shit against the Mavs earlier this year....so apparently they have plenty of answers.

PunkinDrublic
05-30-2011, 08:42 AM
Lebron James didn't do shit against the Mavs earlier this year....so apparently they have plenty of answers.

Careful or KCman will cut and paste another pro Miami article.

DaKCMan AP
05-30-2011, 08:44 AM
Lebron James didn't do shit against the Mavs earlier this year....so apparently they have plenty of answers.

5 months ago. LMAO For the 10,000th time this team is not the same team from December. Maybe after tomorrow night you'll finally realize this.

What you're claiming is as ridiculous as if I were to say Dirk won't do anything against Miami because he shot 17/44 for a paltry 39% in the two games from over 5 months ago. So you agree that Miami has plenty of answers for Dirk?

Count Zarth
05-30-2011, 08:44 AM
I'm not saying the Mavs will stop Lebron. But it's bullshit for some coach to say they have no answer for him.

Count Zarth
05-30-2011, 08:48 AM
5 months ago. LMAO For the 10,000th time this team is not the same team from December.

The Heat were running roughshod over teams in the regular season (12 in a row) until the Mavericks said STOP we are going to BEAT YOUR ASS.

And they did.

And then the Heat won 9 more games in a row.

So I'd say the Mavericks beat the same Heat team that was kicking ass then and is kicking ass now.

DaKCMan AP
05-30-2011, 08:57 AM
The Heat were running roughshod over teams in the regular season (12 in a row) until the Mavericks said STOP we are going to BEAT YOUR ASS.

And they did.

And then the Heat won 9 more games in a row.

So I'd say the Mavericks beat the same Heat team that was kicking ass then and is kicking ass now.

Then you're a moron. That Heat team couldn't beat Chicago, couldn't beat Boston, couldn't beat San Antonio.

The 12 game win streak? The teams they beat were: Washington, Detroit, Cleveland, Atlanta, Milwaukee, Utah, Golden State, Sacramento, New Orleans, New York (without Melo)

Hell, in January and March they went on 4 game losing streaks. Then they flipped the switch. They destroyed San Antonio. They destroyed Boston. They won 4-1 series against both Boston and Chicago. They're playing the best defense of the season and Lebron has been on a tear.

But, go ahead and think that Dallas has nothing to worry about because of 2 games from over 5 months ago. ;)

loochy
05-30-2011, 09:00 AM
Then you're a moron. That Heat team couldn't beat Chicago, couldn't beat Boston, couldn't beat San Antonio.

The 12 game win streak? The teams they beat were: Washington, Detroit, Cleveland, Atlanta, Milwaukee, Utah, Golden State, Sacramento, New Orleans, New York (without Melo)

Hell, in January and March they went on 4 game losing streaks. Then they flipped the switch. They destroyed San Antonio. They destroyed Boston. They won 4-1 series against both Boston and Chicago. They're playing the best defense of the season and Lebron has been on a tear.

But, go ahead and think that Dallas has nothing to worry about because of 2 games from over 5 months ago. ;)

But Dallas flipped a switch and has been on a tear too. Who's tear will come to an end?

DaKCMan AP
05-30-2011, 09:01 AM
But Dallas flipped a switch and has been on a tear too. Who's tear will come to an end?

True. Just saying that the results from November and December are meaningless.

Count Zarth
05-30-2011, 09:03 AM
Yeah, and after Dallas beat them the Heat beat LA and Portland.

In fact, the Heat DESTROYED LA by 16 just 5 days after Dallas beat them.

So I'd say you're full of shit. The Mavericks beat a very good Heat team earlier this year.

DaKCMan AP
05-30-2011, 09:06 AM
Yeah, and after Dallas beat them the Heat beat LA and Portland.

In fact, the Heat DESTROYED LA by 16 just 5 days after Dallas beat them.

So I'd say you're full of shit. The Mavericks beat a very good Heat team earlier this year.

A very good Heat team? I don't know about that. A good Heat team? Sure.

This Heat team is not good or very good, they're GREAT.

I've watched nearly every game this season and saw the growth of this team. You're proving you have no clue what you're talking about and that you didn't watch Miami at all this year if you think this is the same team from December.

okcchief
05-30-2011, 09:24 AM
When Dallas beat the Heat early in the year they ended a long ass winning streak. I want to say like 11 or 12 games. They also had a crazy stat like they ended like 7 five plus game win streaks in a very short period. Miami is playing better basketball for sure right now but they were playing good then too.

I think this is going to be an extremely entertaining series that will go 6 or 7 games. However DakMan is right. The regular season has shit to do with now. I think Miami has a better starting the lineup but their bench will get curb stomped by Dallas. This series is really hard to pick but I lean towards the Heat in 7. I'll be rooting for Dallas all the way though.

The Bad Guy
05-30-2011, 10:21 AM
A very good Heat team? I don't know about that. A good Heat team? Sure.

This Heat team is not good or very good, they're GREAT.

I've watched nearly every game this season and saw the growth of this team. You're proving you have no clue what you're talking about and that you didn't watch Miami at all this year if you think this is the same team from December.

This Heat team is 3 players that finally learned how to play together.

This Team bullshit is hilarious.

Mr. Arrowhead
05-30-2011, 10:50 AM
WTF, how was this not called, I mean i know the NBA lets stars travel alot, but this is the kind of shit that they shouldnt be allowed to get away with. Its clearly a disadvantage.

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okcchief
05-30-2011, 11:25 AM
They don't call traveling enough in the NBA. Game 3 of Dallas OKC there were at least 6 uncalled violations. It really gets ridiculous sometimes.

JASONSAUTO
05-30-2011, 11:39 AM
This Heat team is 3 players that finally learned how to play together.

This Team bullshit is hilarious.
Lol.
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DaKCMan AP
05-30-2011, 12:41 PM
This Heat team is 3 players that finally learned how to play together.

This Team bullshit is hilarious.

Sure. :rolleyes:

Of course, this is coming from someone who has been butthurt and dead WRONG about this Miami TEAM all season.

In the Conf. Semifinal they don't win Game 1 without James Jones 25pts off the bench. In the Conf. Finals without Haslem they don't win Game 2. Without Mike Miller they don't win Game 4 or 5. I'm sure Joel Anthony's 5 blocks in Game 3 and 5 in Game 4 mean nothing too, right?

According to you, a team needs a bench in order to win in the playoffs (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=7475984&postcount=1619). So either the Heat have a bench good enough to win in the playoffs or you're wrong and what you say is meaningless. Which is it? :hmmm:

Count Zarth
05-30-2011, 01:00 PM
Lebron ain't shit.

http://i51.tinypic.com/kro1g.jpg

DaKCMan AP
05-31-2011, 06:02 AM
http://media.miamiherald.com/smedia/2011/05/30/21/heatmavs2_0531.embedded.prod_affiliate.56.jpg

DaKCMan AP
05-31-2011, 09:16 AM
MIAMI -- Forget about all the talk about which Miami Heat player will defend Dirk Nowitzki. Who is going to defend J.J. Barea?

Believe it or not, at times it’ll be the Heat’s best defensive player, LeBron James.

How much does the Dallas Mavericks’ shifty little guard concern the Heat? They're actually putting him in the same sentences as the league’s Most Valuable Player. With a straight face.

“If you don’t treat him with the same type of respect as we did with Derrick Rose, he can really come in and have an impact on the game,” Heat coach Erik Spoelstra said. “I’m sure there will be some possessions where LeBron will be on him."

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoopmiamiheat/post/_/id/8195/aside-from-dirk-heat-have-smaller-concerns

Heh. Interesting.

okcchief
05-31-2011, 12:26 PM
Heh. Interesting.

JJ caught me more off guard than anyone on their team. I don't know if anyone in the league can match his quickness and when he gets in the lane he does a damn good job of finishing. There were several times I was trying to figure out how that fucking hobbit just made that shot. Kid is a lot better than he was last year or earlier this year.

okcchief
05-31-2011, 12:27 PM
I'm excited for tonight. The lack of sports in the summer kills me. Watching the Royals choke leads does nothing to help that.

Count Zarth
05-31-2011, 12:27 PM
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DaKCMan AP
05-31-2011, 12:35 PM
JJ caught me more off guard than anyone on their team. I don't know if anyone in the league can match his quickness and when he gets in the lane he does a damn good job of finishing. There were several times I was trying to figure out how that fucking hobbit just made that shot. Kid is a lot better than he was last year or earlier this year.

Yes, he's deceptively good. I think it's a good plan for Miami to try and guard him similar to how they handled Rose. That's actually a very high compliment to Barea.

Mr. Arrowhead
05-31-2011, 01:57 PM
I'm excited for tonight. The lack of sports in the summer kills me. Watching the Royals choke leads does nothing to help that.

no kidding, I dont know what im gonna do after the Finals are over, especially if the NFL has no season.

okcchief
05-31-2011, 02:28 PM
Yes, he's deceptively good. I think it's a good plan for Miami to try and guard him similar to how they handled Rose. That's actually a very high compliment to Barea.

Westbrook did better against him than anyone. Lebrons as fast as anyone but Barea is quicker than anyone with his first few steps. Really, they have to put Lebron on him. He's going to waste anyone else. Wade better be ready to score because Lebron is going to waste a lot of energy guarding JJ and Dirk.

DaKCMan AP
05-31-2011, 02:32 PM
Westbrook did better against him than anyone. Lebrons as fast as anyone but Barea is quicker than anyone with his first few steps. Really, they have to put Lebron on him. He's going to waste anyone else. Wade better be ready to score because Lebron is going to waste a lot of energy guarding JJ and Dirk.

Wade *should* be able to score against whomever guards him, especially when Jason Terry is in the game. If Dirk guards Bosh then he should be able to score as well. This series really piques my interest in terms of strategy with lineups and match ups.

Count Zarth
05-31-2011, 02:36 PM
Wade *should* be able to score against whomever guards him, especially when Jason Terry is in the game. If Dirk guards Bosh then he should be able to score as well. This series really piques my interest in terms of strategy with lineups and match ups.

Wade had a terrible conference finals and is going to be owned defensively by Jason Kidd.

Terry will not see much of Wade.

Dirk is going to be locked on Anthony since he's a big bag of nothing.

DaKCMan AP
05-31-2011, 03:15 PM
Wade had a terrible conference finals and is going to be owned defensively by Jason Kidd.

Terry will not see much of Wade.

Dirk is going to be locked on Anthony since he's a big bag of nothing.

ROFL @ Kidd being able to stay with Wade's quickness. Wade had a poor conference finals, but still averaged 19ppg. He had an outstanding conference semifinals and should now be well rested.

I can see them hiding Dirk on D, but whoever guards Bosh will be a mismatch in favor of Miami.

Count Zarth
05-31-2011, 03:42 PM
ROFL @ Kidd being able to stay with Wade's quickness.

Wade is worn down and busted. Kidd was the Mavericks top defender in the playoffs most of the time. He guarded Durant and Kobe and gave them fits.

Kidd is going to own Wade.


I can see them hiding Dirk on D, but whoever guards Bosh will be a mismatch in favor of Miami.

Yes, Tyson Chandler, one of the candidates for defensive player of the year, is certainly going to be at a disadvantage. :rolleyes:

DaKCMan AP
05-31-2011, 04:10 PM
Wade is worn down and busted. Kidd was the Mavericks top defender in the playoffs most of the time. He guarded Durant and Kobe and gave them fits.

Kidd is going to own Wade.

LMAO

You are so jaded.. and will be proven wrong. Kidd guarding Wade is a huge mismatch in favor of Miami. Durant and Kobe (now later in his career) don't have the quickness and attacking ability that Wade does. Both Durant and Kobe are more jump shooters.

Yes, Tyson Chandler, one of the candidates for defensive player of the year, is certainly going to be at a disadvantage. :rolleyes:

Chandler is good, but he's not a good match up against Chris Bosh. Bosh will draw Chandler away from the basket, opening the lane up for Bron and Wade to attack. If Chandler stays off Bosh than his often automatic jumper will be wide open. Dallas has struggled some against PFs who can knock down jumpers from a distance.

Count Zarth
05-31-2011, 04:30 PM
Kidd guarding Wade is a huge mismatch in favor of Miami. Durant and Kobe (now later in his career) don't have the quickness and attacking ability that Wade does. Both Durant and Kobe are more jump shooters.


Sorry, Wade is not what he used to be. You want him badly to be the '06 Wade but he's not anymore. He's '11 Wade and he's busted. Not remotely as athletic as a freak like Durant.

Kidd is an excellent defender. Wade is going to have a sorry finals. He's a brokedick who needs PEDs to play in the NBA.


Chandler is good, but he's not a good match up against Chris Bosh. Bosh will draw Chandler away from the basket, opening the lane up for Bron and Wade to attack. If Chandler stays off Bosh than his often automatic jumper will be wide open. Dallas has struggled some against PFs who can knock down jumpers from a distance.

You finally made a valid point. Unfortunately we have Dirk so you still lose.

Mr. Arrowhead
05-31-2011, 05:12 PM
I think Dirk will be on Bosh to start until it begins to be a problem. Im pretty sure they want Chandler to protect the lane against wade and lebron.

DaKCMan AP
05-31-2011, 05:12 PM
Sorry, Wade is not what he used to be. You want him badly to be the '06 Wade but he's not anymore. He's '11 Wade and he's busted. Not remotely as athletic as a freak like Durant.

LMAO

'11 Wade averaged 30pts, 7 boards, 5 assists, and 2 steals with 52.6 FG% in the conference semifinals.

DaKCMan AP
05-31-2011, 05:13 PM
I think Dirk will be on Bosh to start until it begins to be a problem. Im pretty sure they want Chandler to protect the lane against wade and lebron.

Yep.

Mr. Arrowhead
05-31-2011, 05:13 PM
BTW why the hell is a 8 o'clock start, especially with the game being Miami

DaKCMan AP
05-31-2011, 05:16 PM
BTW why the hell is a 8 o'clock start, especially with the game being Miami

It's a 9PM start ;) because the NBA mandates that the Finals are played on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Sundays with the start times 9PM, 9PM, and 8PM regardless of location.

Count Zarth
05-31-2011, 05:25 PM
Fuck yes.

http://dirkswish.bigcartel.com/

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