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notorious
06-12-2011, 09:52 PM
I'd love to see Wade in Chicago with Rose.

No thanks.

Rams Fan
06-12-2011, 09:53 PM
I hate the Pats in part because I thought the Raiders got screwed. And it isn't like I call myself a friend of the Raiders or anything.

What I meant was, nevermind.....

Anyways, it's good to see a guy like Dirk finally win a ring.

-King-
06-12-2011, 09:53 PM
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmjixnn1q21qam8ddo1_500.jpg

Reaper16
06-12-2011, 09:55 PM
What I meant was, nevermind.....



I will say that if there's any Boston team I could tolerate winning a championship, its the Bruins. If the Bruins weren't up against a franchise that 1.) is Canadian, and 2.) hadn't won a championship before, then I might actually want them to win.

Dylan
06-12-2011, 09:55 PM
19.1

Jason Terry's PPG per 36 minutes when LeBron James is on court, vs. 8.5 when James is on bench.

Jesus, I was thinking football for a minute... LMAO

stonedstooge
06-12-2011, 09:56 PM
In the post game interviews Dirk talks in terms of we and us
King in his conference speaks of I and me.
Hard to tell why the Mavs won

notorious
06-12-2011, 09:58 PM
In the post game interviews Dirk talks in terms of we and us
King in his conference speaks of I and me.
Hard to tell why the Mavs won

He is trying to convince the media that he plays well under pressure while citing the previous two series.


Championship pressure is a hell of a lot worse then conference tourney pressure.

okcchief
06-12-2011, 09:58 PM
You do realize that Oklahoma City was Mavericks terriorty for tv package and ticket sales.

Yeah, I don't blame Cuban for that. He's just a good business fan and the Thunder being here hurts their business.

Rams Fan
06-12-2011, 09:59 PM
I will say that if there's any Boston team I could tolerate winning a championship, its the Bruins. If the Bruins weren't up against a franchise that 1.) is Canadian, and 2.) hadn't won a championship before, then I might actually want them to win.

I guess I can see why you're rooting for the Canucks then. To be honest, I dislike both teams.

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmjixnn1q21qam8ddo1_500.jpg

LMAO

notorious
06-12-2011, 09:59 PM
LOL,

Reporter flat out asked Wade and Lebron "Did you choke?"


Props to Wade for answering,"Dallas is the better team."

Dylan
06-12-2011, 09:59 PM
HaHaHaHa

Reporter asked Lebron & Wade if they felt they choked? LMAO

dirk digler
06-12-2011, 10:00 PM
Watching Lebron and DWade they are staying fairly classy and congratulatory to the Mavs.

Count Zarth
06-12-2011, 10:00 PM
OH SNAP

@DishinDirt JEL-NPR


Per @Chris_Broussard: Lebron James involved in post game altercation in Heat locker room. Developing...

Count Zarth
06-12-2011, 10:02 PM
http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg611/scaled.php?tn=0&server=611&filename=488ay.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

notorious
06-12-2011, 10:02 PM
OH SNAP

@DishinDirt JEL-NPR


Per @Chris_Broussard: Lebron James involved in post game altercation in Heat locker room. Developing...

The implosion is still occuring?


Egos got destroyed tonight.

Count Zarth
06-12-2011, 10:02 PM
ebony and ivory
live together
in perfect HARMONYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/1627/9957680f40a3ad76a9840f8.jpg

beach tribe
06-12-2011, 10:02 PM
OH SNAP

@DishinDirt JEL-NPR


Per @Chris_Broussard: Lebron James involved in post game altercation in Heat locker room. Developing...

Dirk gave his GF the shocker, and his brace tore her o-ring.

Sure-Oz
06-12-2011, 10:02 PM
OH SNAP

@DishinDirt JEL-NPR


Per @Chris_Broussard: Lebron James involved in post game altercation in Heat locker room. Developing...

It's fake....

Lebron just said 'im rich bitch, fuck you haters'

notorious
06-12-2011, 10:03 PM
Watching Lebron and DWade they are staying fairly classy and congratulatory to the Mavs.

Humbled men. For now.

Count Zarth
06-12-2011, 10:03 PM
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2249/3e489ba54d6925956702363.jpg

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9123/2cdfe2e57e265ce9caeddd8.jpg

Count Zarth
06-12-2011, 10:03 PM
lol lebron just said "the people that root against me are going to wake up tomorrow and have the same personal problems they've always had"

asshole

Al Bundy
06-12-2011, 10:04 PM
@Chris_Broussard: This chick @DishinDirt is tweeting lies in my name. Don't believe her. I'm in Bristol, not even in Miami.

Sure-Oz
06-12-2011, 10:04 PM
Humbled men. For now.

Except Lebron saying everyone will still have their problems but im still Lebron LMAO

Dylan
06-12-2011, 10:05 PM
Twitter:
cavsdanDan Gilbert

Congrats to Mark C.&entire Mavs org. Mavs NEVER stopped & now entire franchise gets rings. Old Lesson for all:There are NO SHORTCUTS. NONE.

LOL

http://twitter.com/#!/cavsdan

notorious
06-12-2011, 10:06 PM
Except Lebron saying everyone will still have their problems but im still Lebron LMAO

He still doesn't get it, and probably never will.


Oh well, if he is happy within, more props to him. I have a feeling that he is not happy.

LiveSteam
06-12-2011, 10:06 PM
he dnt look happy at all
OMG listen to him . my this ,my that, my game ,me me me

ChiefsandO'sfan
06-12-2011, 10:07 PM
BradyMcColloughBrady McCollough

by getnickwright



LeBron translation: At the end of the day, your lives were boring today and they will be boring tomorrow. Mine is awesome. So it's fine.

Mr. Arrowhead
06-12-2011, 10:07 PM
http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx77/bofus420/champinsTshirt4copy.jpg

notorious
06-12-2011, 10:08 PM
BradyMcColloughBrady McCollough

by getnickwright



LeBron translation: At the end of the day, your lives were boring today and they will be boring tomorrow. Mine is awesome. So it's fine.

Trying to convince himself.

dirk digler
06-12-2011, 10:08 PM
Humbled men. For now.

For the most part. If I was them after just losing the Finals I wouldn't talk to anybody

-King-
06-12-2011, 10:08 PM
I don't understand why Bosh has his post game interview by himself but Wade and LeBron do it together.

stonedstooge
06-12-2011, 10:09 PM
Trying to convince himself.

Ha Ha. We may all wake up still being losers tomorrow, but your right there with us Lebron, a loser too.

dirk digler
06-12-2011, 10:10 PM
I don't understand why Bosh has his post game interview by himself but Wade and LeBron do it together.

They have done that all year long. Kinda of strange IMO

okcchief
06-12-2011, 10:10 PM
He did basically talk about himself the whole time LOL

I really don't think these guys win a championship. It will require a personality transplant.

Count Zarth
06-12-2011, 10:11 PM
Jason says it's over.

Finals entertaining, but Mavs are done


http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/LeBron-James-Dwyane-Wade-Miami-Heat-toying-with-Dirk-Nowitzki-Dallas-Mavericks-in-NBA-Finals-060611

LMAO

Whitlock owned.

The Bad Guy
06-12-2011, 10:11 PM
I don't understand why Bosh has his post game interview by himself but Wade and LeBron do it together.

Very valid question.

I loved how the reporter at the end tried to get an indirect question about Rashard Lewis in there.

notorious
06-12-2011, 10:12 PM
He did basically talk about himself the whole time LOL

I really don't think these guys win a championship. It will require a personality transplant.

If they get a shooter, they will be a very scary team.


Wade can penetrate and dish out very well, but only Chalmers had the ability to knock down wide open shots.

okcchief
06-12-2011, 10:12 PM
LMAO

Whitlock owned.

Hack

-King-
06-12-2011, 10:13 PM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmpk9eH0e71qa1r5ho1_500.jpg

okcchief
06-12-2011, 10:14 PM
[QUOTE=notorious;7694617]If they get a shooter, they will be a very scary team.


Wade can penetrate and dish out very well, but only Chalmers had the ability to knock down wide open shots.

Thet can but I dont think they will.

notorious
06-12-2011, 10:14 PM
For the most part. If I was them after just losing the Finals I wouldn't talk to anybody

When we lost in the state championship game is HS, I could barely talk.


Screw talking to reporters. I bet they are used to it, though.

Chocolate Hog
06-12-2011, 10:15 PM
How dumb is Larry Bird for letting Carsile walk?

Count Zarth
06-12-2011, 10:15 PM
Heat are entering a world of three-point pain.

Lebron will have a shitty series



Dallas is far more well equipped to survive a bad game from Dirk than the Heat are from one of their big three.

When Dirk puts out the Heat, he will henceforth be known as the Fireman.

PROPHECIES FULFILLED

Dallas is going to win the series because of this.

They have been the best road team in the playoffs. They will steal one on the road and take all three games at home.

Dallas in 5 bitches.

Close. :p

notorious
06-12-2011, 10:15 PM
[QUOTE=notorious;7694617]If they get a shooter, they will be a very scary team.


Wade can penetrate and dish out very well, but only Chalmers had the ability to knock down wide open shots.

Thet can but I dont think they will.

I agree. The new cap is going to decapitate Miami.

The Bad Guy
06-12-2011, 10:15 PM
They got a shooter in Mike Miller and he sucked.

stonedstooge
06-12-2011, 10:15 PM
When we lost in the state championship game is HS, I could barely talk.


Screw talking to reporters. I bet they are used to it, though.

I think they have to according to contracts

ChiefsandO'sfan
06-12-2011, 10:16 PM
RealSkipBaylessSkip Bayless


After listening to LeBron's interview session, I reallyreallyreally CANNOT WAIT to talk about what I just heard, tomorrow at 10am, ESPN2.

kysirsoze
06-12-2011, 10:17 PM
Did Cuban just say the Mav's fans "punked the shit" out of the Heat fans and it wasn't edited on ESPN?

Rams Fan
06-12-2011, 10:17 PM
Haha, Cuban cussed on ESPN.

notorious
06-12-2011, 10:17 PM
PROPHECIES FULFILLED



Close. :p

First team in 10 finals to win after losing game 3 in a 2-3-2 format.

LiveSteam
06-12-2011, 10:18 PM
Did Cuban just say the Mav's fans "punked the shit" out of the Heat fans and it wasn't edited on ESPN?

LMAO LMAO

kysirsoze
06-12-2011, 10:18 PM
Haha, Cuban cussed on ESPN.

Yeah, I thought so. I'm not surprised he cursed, I'm surprised the censors missed it.

loochy
06-12-2011, 10:18 PM
First team in 10 finals to win after losing game 3 in a 2-3-2 format.

retarded ass stat that means nothing

Mr. Arrowhead
06-12-2011, 10:19 PM
Did Cuban just say the Mav's fans "punked the shit" out of the Heat fans and it wasn't edited on ESPN?

yea and he had a bud lite in his hand as well LMAO

Count Zarth
06-12-2011, 10:19 PM
retarded ass stat that means nothing

Phil Jackson had never been swept.....

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-12-2011, 10:19 PM
PROPHECIES FULFILLED



Close. :p

<iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/W2NFkCNIDxI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Psyko Tek
06-12-2011, 10:19 PM
I don't understand why Bosh has his post game interview by himself but Wade and LeBron do it together.

'cause Lebron, can't do anything after the third quarter

notorious
06-12-2011, 10:19 PM
retarded ass stat that means nothing

It meant something until tonight.


Dallas destroyed that trend.

Dylan
06-12-2011, 10:21 PM
lol lebron just said "the people that root against me are going to wake up tomorrow and have the same personal problems they've always had"

asshole

It's unfortunate -- LeBron doesn't understand when you make a spectacle of yourself on a one hour show called "The Decision" and follow it up by saying you're going to win 7/8 championships, people expect you to come up big -- very big.

His arrogance is stunning.

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-12-2011, 10:22 PM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmpk9eH0e71qa1r5ho1_500.jpg

LMAO

Rams Fan
06-12-2011, 10:22 PM
yea and he had a bud lite in his hand as well LMAO

"A man's man."

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-12-2011, 10:25 PM
Bron = NBA's Phillip Rivers

Count Zarth
06-12-2011, 10:26 PM
It's the curse of claythan.

None of my teams will ever win shit.

Curse broken.

notorious
06-12-2011, 10:26 PM
Bron = NBA's Phillip Rivers

Not even close.


Lebron has put himself on an island when it comes to having an inflated opinion of one's self-worth.

Mr. Arrowhead
06-12-2011, 10:27 PM
It's unfortunate -- LeBron doesn't understand when you make a spectacle of yourself on a one hour show called "The Decision" and follow it up by saying you're going to win 7/8 championships, people expect you to come up big -- very big.

His arrogance is stunning.
not only that, hes the one that wanted to be called "the king" right out of high school.

Dylan
06-12-2011, 10:30 PM
I don't understand why Bosh has his post game interview by himself but Wade and LeBron do it together.

It’s possible Chris Bosh is growing weary of their antics

Mr. Arrowhead
06-12-2011, 10:38 PM
http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg611/scaled.php?tn=0&server=611&filename=488ay.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

Count Zarth
06-12-2011, 10:41 PM
Mark Cuban giving major props to the fans.

http://deadspin.com/5811228/

beach tribe
06-12-2011, 10:43 PM
Curse broken.

I wish I knew what that felt like.

banyon
06-12-2011, 10:45 PM
LeBronze...

...or should it be LeSilver now?

Count Zarth
06-12-2011, 10:45 PM
I wish I knew what that felt like.

It feels different than you think it would.

The journey means more than the destination.

Mostly it means I have license to be a huge douche in NBA threads for months now. :evil:

Count Zarth
06-12-2011, 10:49 PM
What an idiot.

@KingJames LeBron James


The Greater Man upstairs know when it's my time. Right now isn't the time.

Al Bundy
06-12-2011, 10:49 PM
Looks like the guy that went by the moniker New School With Shaun Shareef was the one that asked the question that said "D-wade no offense". He used to be on 610 here in KC.

beach tribe
06-12-2011, 10:50 PM
It feels different than you think it would.

The journey means more than the destination.

Mostly it means I have license to be a huge douche in NBA threads for months now. :evil:

The Chiefs are the only team I've ever given a shit about.

I will cry when someone with that arrowhead on their helmet holds that trophy.

SNR
06-12-2011, 10:53 PM
What an idiot.

@KingJames LeBron James


The Greater Man upstairs know when it's my time. Right now isn't the time.AH TOOHHLD YOU, ERNAY. OHNLAY GOD'S AN EXPURT

Mr. Flopnuts
06-12-2011, 10:54 PM
LeBronze...

...or should it be LeSilver now?

Rhymes with LaBouche. Da da da dee da da da da.

rocknrolla
06-12-2011, 10:54 PM
The Chiefs are the only team I've ever given a shit about.

I will cry when someone with that arrowhead on their helmet holds that trophy.

THIS! Make that two cryin bitches.

Spott
06-12-2011, 10:59 PM
Karma is a bitch.

loochy
06-12-2011, 10:59 PM
THIS! Make that two cryin bitches.

I cried tonight. :deevee:

Mr. Flopnuts
06-12-2011, 11:01 PM
You know, let's be fair to LeBron. He said he was bringing his talents to South Beach. Dude never said anything about heart, or effort.

notorious
06-12-2011, 11:04 PM
Oh my, they just showed a replay of Wade dribbling off his foot and Lebron shooting 2 feet over the rim.


:facepalm:

Barret
06-12-2011, 11:04 PM
I thought this was rather funny.

Dylan
06-12-2011, 11:07 PM
What an idiot.

@KingJames LeBron James


The Greater Man upstairs know when it's my time. Right now isn't the time.

http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20110608-james06.jpg.ece/ALTERNATES/w700/james06.jpg


Here's a bunch of 'LeDrawn James' photos from The Dallas Morning News - Hysterical.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-mavericks/headlines/20110601-photos-your-best-ledrawn-james_photos-updated-through-game-4-.ece?ssimg=200617#ssTop195681

beach tribe
06-12-2011, 11:08 PM
THIS! Make that two cryin bitches.

I will proudly let my bitch flag fly that day.

DJ's left nut
06-12-2011, 11:25 PM
It feels different than you think it would.

The journey means more than the destination.

Mostly it means I have license to be a huge douche in NBA threads for months now. :evil:

Exactly.

When the Cardinals finally won the title in 2006, I felt bizarrely underwhelmed.

Looking back, I recall the 2004 season more fondly than the 2006 season. I also remember the season the Lakers lost the title to the Celtics more fondly than I remember their last Shaq/Kobe title.

How you get there means something. Granted, the Mavs got there in fine fashion, but you'll still remember the ride more than the finish.

Count Zarth
06-12-2011, 11:28 PM
A few thoughts:

I still can't believe the refs tried to steal this game from the Mavericks. That was utterly disgusting. Beating the Heat is great but I feel even better about beating the three pricks reffing the game, not to mention Stern. To be honest, that rivaled the shit that happened in 2006. This time the Mavericks said FUCK YOU and rained death from three, and played stifling second-half D. The Heat made 15 field goals in the second half. FIFTEEN.

The Heat are really talented. All that athletic ability doesn't mean shit when you can't make free throws. Wade, Bosh, James: 11-18 from the free throw line. They could learn something from Dirk.

Dirk was awful in the first half. It was truly amazing to see his teammates carry him after he's carried them in so many games. And it was amazing to see the Heat, even with all their star power, completely wilt under the pressure of an entire team playing together. Shit, when Ian Mahinmi is hitting fadeaway jumpers against you, what chance do you have?

How did the Heat get away with playing their starting center for ELEVEN MINUTES in an NBA Finals game? Oh, they didn't.

I'm in complete shock that Jason Kidd wants to keep playing. I figured he would retire if the Mavs won it all. I almost want him to. Watching him move on the court is painful sometimes. He has zero hops.

Count Zarth
06-12-2011, 11:33 PM
Exactly.

When the Cardinals finally won the title in 2006, I felt bizarrely underwhelmed.

Looking back, I recall the 2004 season more fondly than the 2006 season. I also remember the season the Lakers lost the title to the Celtics more fondly than I remember their last Shaq/Kobe title.

How you get there means something. Granted, the Mavs got there in fine fashion, but you'll still remember the ride more than the finish.

What I will remember most about this run:

Portland coming back from 23 down to tie the series and the Mavs using that as a turning point.

Terry and Peja raining death on the Lakers in Game 4 and LA acting like assholes.

Dirk fucking the shit out of the Oklahoma City Thunder with two 40-point games, including one where he scored 48 on 15 field goal attempts. LMAO

The Mavericks coming back in Miami in Game 2.

Even with Dirk leading the way, mostly I will remember that Jason Terry had the playoff run of his life and no Mavericks fan should ever say anything bad about him ever again. He played way over his head and if he doesn't....the Mavericks probably don't even beat the Lakers.

Count Zarth
06-12-2011, 11:35 PM
Holy shit man.

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/253877_228649440481134_100000082402362_1002004_6076180_n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/254204_228649420481136_100000082402362_1002003_3953254_n.jpg

Count Zarth
06-12-2011, 11:41 PM
Jason Terry hit 19 of his last 28 shots in the 2011 NBA Finals.

I said god damn.

Count Zarth
06-12-2011, 11:51 PM
u mad?

http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20110612-ns_12dirkchampagne1_19737915.jpg.ece/ALTERNATES/w620/NS_12DIRKCHAMPAGNE1_19737915.JPG

Count Zarth
06-12-2011, 11:55 PM
lol

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/multimedia/photo_gallery/1106/finalscelebration/images/061211_550_haywood.jpg

KC_Connection
06-12-2011, 11:59 PM
http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/06/13/feeling-the-heat/

Good Posnanski article about the game/series. Pretty much mirrors my own feelings about the Heat/LeBron and the outcome of the Finals. As a basketball fan, seeing LeBron not even try at the end was a real disappointment (even as I rooted for the Mavs). The guy has all the talent in the world, but apparently none of the heart necessary to win (at least right now). Such a waste.

Count Zarth
06-13-2011, 12:11 AM
I remember this. I remember thinking the same thing.

Wade, though, couldn’t do it this time. This just wasn’t his night. He has grabbed these moments so many times through the years — heck IN THIS SERIES he has grabbed these moments so many times — but on this night he dribbled the ball off his foot, he missed all of his three-point jump shots, he just did not have it.

And so … it was to be LeBron. It had to be LeBron.

That’s why the sequence with four minutes left will stay with me for a long time. Miami needed a basket of course — being down eight with four minutes left is not life-threatening in the NBA, as we have seen time and again, but it is not ideal either. Anyway as much as the points, Miami needed a changing moment. LeBron James is breathtakingly good at making such moments as anyone.

Here’s what LeBron James did instead: he stood outside the arc about 25 feet away from the basket. He did not move. And the two times the ball was passed to him, he passed it away instantly … as if playing hot-potato.

There was absolutely no other explanation that made any sense: LeBron James did not want the basketball.

Count Zarth
06-13-2011, 12:24 AM
:LOL:

Dirk brought the trophy to a Miami club

Ty Lawson: The most swagged put shit I seen in my life .... Dirk walks in liv with the NBA trophy on his shoulder... #gotdamn

BillSelfsTrophycase
06-13-2011, 12:36 AM
Except Lebron saying everyone will still have their problems but im still Lebron LMAO


And this is why he'll never be Jordan, or Bird, or Magic, or Kobe...hell, he'll never be Pippen

Count Zarth
06-13-2011, 02:21 AM
http://i56.tinypic.com/4r7y0z.jpg

Count Zarth
06-13-2011, 03:52 AM
LMAO

http://media.star-telegram.com/smedia/2011/06/12/22/48/14pTb7.St.58.jpg

http://media.star-telegram.com/smedia/2011/06/12/23/13/610-sNE3O.St.55.jpg

Pioli Zombie
06-13-2011, 04:20 AM
LeBrons new nickname. JFK. Didn't make it past Dallas.

GloryDayz
06-13-2011, 05:22 AM
LOL, it's the next morning, I'm no basketball fan, and I'm still giddy!!! Nice!!!

Count Zarth
06-13-2011, 06:02 AM
http://i56.tinypic.com/dpwjdj.jpg

rocknrolla
06-13-2011, 06:41 AM
I don't watch a whole lot of basketball, but that heat crowd was f***ing pathetic.

Count Zarth
06-13-2011, 06:47 AM
Caption needed.

http://i54.tinypic.com/1zv4ilf.jpg

The Bad Guy
06-13-2011, 06:56 AM
I don't watch a whole lot of basketball, but that heat crowd was f***ing pathetic.

What do you expect from a fanbase that basically tripled because of 2 signings? They couldn't sell out that arena last year in the playoffs.

alpha_omega
06-13-2011, 08:18 AM
Congrats Mavs!

the Talking Can
06-13-2011, 08:31 AM
David Thorpe on LeCoward:

The story is of LeBron James' failure. He was as bad as I could imagine he'd ever be. He was atrocious. Atrocious.

Earlier in the playoffs we talked about how he was, I thought then, being brilliant in conserving energy early in games to be fresh for crunch time. Now I realize he was just being lazy.

He competed pretty hard on defense throughout the playoffs, but not tonight. He was a dog on offense. He was not a dog on defense, except for late in the series when he got tired of chasing Jason Terry.

I have serious concerns. You can't be him, with his abilities, and have one less offensive rebound than J.J. Barea. I'm not one to use stats like that to crush a guy, but I spent this game repeatedly rewinding my DVR and watching in slow motion. I studied him. I mostly saw him standing and watching. I saw balls fall near him as he did nothing.

That's a severe gut check. That's a severe sign of a heart problem.

We came into these playoffs with all kinds of questions about Bosh's heart. I would not question his heart now. He was wrecked by this loss. I definitely question, however, where LeBron's head is. He didn't play like he cared. If I were his teammate, I'd have a serious problem with that.

Now that he has faded so dreadfully, he's destined for a dreadful, awkward summer of anguish and second-guessing his play. If that doesn't happen, he's just unbelievably arrogant, or a psychopath.

He just played so far below his level.

Prior to Game 5 when he and Wade mocked Dirk ... that was symbolic of their mindset. The right idea was to really, profoundly respect Dallas.

Not doing that is a classic character flaw that goes back to not really seeing reality. This showed, ultimately, from a player who has a chance to be top ten all time, a major underperformance. It's not like Dirk in 2006. He didn't ask for any of that. LeBron, on the other hand, has to question a lot. Going to Miami was not the problem, but a TV show to announce his decision, Tweeting "now or never" ... he's due for some soul searching.

A lot of athletes don't survive these kinds of challenges wholly intact.

Tiger Woods' transgressions were far more grave, but he has been staggered by them. Tiger may never win another tournament.

LeBron James needs to admit that it's time to be much more humble.

And both James and Wade need to be much better shooters. Unless they're going to be surrounded with absolute lights-out shooters, they simply don't shoot well enough. They need to shoot 3-pointers incredibly well to achieve their full potential.

I say this as someone who loves to see them succeed. I don't like any players failing. I wish every game ended 149-150.

I only talk like this as someone who spent the night rewinding the DVR and seeing LeBron stand six feet away from the play, watching. Doing nothing.

As a thinking person, he'd have to be blown away at how average he was. Yes he had a triple-double in Game 5, but he could put up those numbers in his sleep.

If I were Pat Riley, I'd bring in a psychologist. And I'd say hey, man, you screwed up. But it's over.

Now it's time to forget this season and focus on the reality that you're a young man with a long future ahead of you, on and off the court. It's time to learn to be a loving person, to be a good teammate.

Don't sit and brood in your mansion all summer, because you'll end up a shell of yourself.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/30224/second-guessing-david-thorpe-on-the-finals

notorious
06-13-2011, 08:49 AM
15 Rating last night.



And it is open season on Lebron.

DJ's left nut
06-13-2011, 08:52 AM
C'mon, LeBron nut huggers - I can wait for you to just admit I've been right about this guy for a couple of years now...

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=6743521&postcount=68

I'm really looking forward to Arrowhead Hawk takin' his whupin' like a man. We were getting "keep fucking doubting The King" within 48 hours of "the decision" and that douche becoming a newly minted heat 'fan'. Where are you, Arrowhead? C'mon and tell us all how we were just hating when we pointed out that he can't shoot from 15 feet, play with his back to the basket, or step his game up when the pressure is on.

He's an elite physical talent and a very good player - but greatness, like coffee, is for closers.

ROYC75
06-13-2011, 09:13 AM
Sweet, the Mav's win a championship where LBJ went South to call home.
The South 3 need to learn team basketball and how to move, attack and drive to the bucket.

okcchief
06-13-2011, 09:36 AM
The funny thing is in the last few minutes of the game Dallas went in to the prevent offense I hate so much. They kept putting up horrible shots and gave Miami every chance to get back in the game. I remember Dallas missing a horrible 3 point attempt and Heat players standing around watching Dallas get the board. It's a good thing Dallas wasn't playing Dallas because they would have slit their own throats :)

The last 2 series Dallas just proved they are a veteran team ready to win it. I'm pretty sure the Thunder lead for more minutes in our series amd wouldn't be surprised if the Heat were close. Dallas was just so much better in half court and knows how to close in crunch time.

Congrats again Mavs fans. There is no doubt you are the best team in the NBA this year.

dirk digler
06-13-2011, 09:42 AM
C'mon, LeBron nut huggers - I can wait for you to just admit I've been right about this guy for a couple of years now...

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=6743521&postcount=68

I'm really looking forward to Arrowhead Hawk takin' his whupin' like a man. We were getting "keep fucking doubting The King" within 48 hours of "the decision" and that douche becoming a newly minted heat 'fan'. Where are you, Arrowhead? C'mon and tell us all how we were just hating when we pointed out that he can't shoot from 15 feet, play with his back to the basket, or step his game up when the pressure is on.

He's an elite physical talent and a very good player - but greatness, like coffee, is for closers.

There is always next year ;)

-King-
06-13-2011, 09:48 AM
What do you expect from a fanbase that basically tripled because of 2 signings? They couldn't sell out that arena last year in the playoffs.

Even with those 2 signings the arena didn't fill up until a quarter way through the 2nd quarter in the regular seasons.

rocknrolla
06-13-2011, 09:53 AM
Even with those 2 signings the arena didn't fill up until a quarter way through the 2nd quarter in the regular seasons.

Miami can't fill a stadium in any sport. They don't deserve to be a big four sport city by any means.

notorious
06-13-2011, 10:08 AM
Miami can't fill a stadium in any sport. They don't deserve to be a big four sport city by any means.

With perfectly tan 9's and 10's walking around wearing dental floss for clothing, can we really blame them?

-King-
06-13-2011, 10:14 AM
http://i56.tinypic.com/2mfyttc.jpg

-King-
06-13-2011, 10:37 AM
Largest Dropoff in PPG Regular Season to NBA Finals PPG Diff
2010-11 LeBron James -8.9
1963-64 Wilt Chamberlain -7.7
1971-72 Jerry West -6.0
1986-87 Kevin McHale -5.6
1980-81 Moses Malone -5.4
2006-07 LeBron James -5.3

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/mj-laughing.gif

Pestilence
06-13-2011, 10:43 AM
I'm just glad that Mike Miller didn't win. I fucking hate that douchebag.

Lzen
06-13-2011, 11:01 AM
LMAO

Whitlock owned.

At least he got this part right.

Wade and James are disgracing the game with their flopping and whining.

Wade moreso than James, IMO.

Lzen
06-13-2011, 11:19 AM
And speaking of Whitlock, did anyone see that press conference (after game 4? - or was it game 2?) where JW asked something dumb and Rick Carlisle just shunned him? I wish I could find a clip of that. It was quite comical.

Mr. Laz
06-13-2011, 11:25 AM
press conference afterward from Lebron was basically "haters gonna hate ... my life is still better than yours ..."

LMAO

thought he was gonna cry ... wish he would

Lzen
06-13-2011, 11:26 AM
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Dave Lane
06-13-2011, 11:37 AM
What an idiot.

@KingJames LeBron James


The Greater Man upstairs know when it's my time. Right now isn't the time.

God did it!!

ChiefsCountry
06-13-2011, 12:00 PM
Largest Dropoff in PPG Regular Season to NBA Finals PPG Diff
2010-11 LeBron James -8.9
1963-64 Wilt Chamberlain -7.7
1971-72 Jerry West -6.0
1986-87 Kevin McHale -5.6
1980-81 Moses Malone -5.4
2006-07 LeBron James -5.3

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/mj-laughing.gif


I don't exactly see that as a big laugh especially with the names on that list.

The Bad Guy
06-13-2011, 12:12 PM
I don't exactly see that as a big laugh especially with the names on that list.

The other names are on the list once.

You don't see the pattern?

The Bad Guy
06-13-2011, 12:13 PM
God did it!!

It's just hilarious how he shuns responsibility for everything ever.

the Talking Can
06-13-2011, 12:18 PM
http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20110613-cuban_trophy_cigar.jpg.ece/ALTERNATES/w260/cuban_trophy_cigar.jpg


looks like the trophy has a baggage sticker on it

BigCatDaddy
06-13-2011, 12:22 PM
http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20110613-cuban_trophy_cigar.jpg.ece/ALTERNATES/w260/cuban_trophy_cigar.jpg


looks like the trophy has a baggage sticker on it

I soooo wish he would buy the Royals.

Dylan
06-13-2011, 12:25 PM
Good afternoon guys,

I'm here to see if all the people that were rooting on me to fail, woke up today to their sad and miserable lives?

Just checking.

Sincerely,

King Lebron James

Mr. Laz
06-13-2011, 12:26 PM
Good afternoon guys,

I'm here to see if all the people that were rooting on me to fail, woke up today to their sad and miserable lives?

Just checking.

Sincerely,

King Lebron James
pathetic

He might as yelled "winning" and talked about tiger blood.

Demonpenz
06-13-2011, 12:30 PM
James needs to pay Dirk to show him some post moves, James doesn't have any heart right now.

Easy 6
06-13-2011, 12:32 PM
What a beautiful finish, couldnt have asked for anything better, the Mavs went down there & pretty well dominated from start to finish.

The best part, was just how lackadaisical miami was about the whole thing, it didnt look like they had any sense of urgency, even when it got down to the last few minutes, they all kinda just stood around waiting for a miracle to happen & nobody looked like they wanted to take charge.

Thats miamis problem, they're so busy trying not to step on each others toes & spread the ball around that nobody steps up to take charge. And Lebron, wow... what a choke, choke, choker... he was throwing up pure junk like a 5th grade girl at the end, pathetic... he deserves every bit of scorn he gets from fans & the press.

Pestilence
06-13-2011, 12:34 PM
I soooo wish he would buy the Dodgers.

FYP

Fruit Ninja
06-13-2011, 01:00 PM
FYP

you fixed it correctly good sir!

Fruit Ninja
06-13-2011, 01:03 PM
Sports Radio is so awesome today. 710 L.A is kiling him haha

Arsonist
06-13-2011, 01:10 PM
LMAO

Mr. Plow
06-13-2011, 01:13 PM
Good afternoon guys,

I'm here to see if all the people that were rooting on me to fail, woke up today to their sad and miserable lives?

Just checking.

Sincerely,

King Lebron James


Where did he say that at?

Demonpenz
06-13-2011, 01:16 PM
My life is sad, but atleast my mom didn't get caught sucking Delante Wests Penis

BIG_DADDY
06-13-2011, 01:17 PM
Congrats to the Mavs and their fans, they deserved it.

Los Pollos Hermanos
06-13-2011, 01:18 PM
16 hours later and I still can't stop smiling.

loochy
06-13-2011, 01:21 PM
It's too bad I had to work today...I would have loved to go to the airport and cheer the team coming home. Apparently Cuban even let some fans hold the trophy!

Maybe I can make it to the parade, whenever that is.

Fruit Ninja
06-13-2011, 01:26 PM
Where did he say that at?

he didnt use them exact words, but thats what he implied no doubt, and at his presser

Mr. Plow
06-13-2011, 01:27 PM
he didnt use them exact words, but thats what he implied no doubt, and at his presser

Jesus. What a douche.

Fruit Ninja
06-13-2011, 01:29 PM
Jesus. What a douche.

i am sure its out there somewhere, i couldnt beleive that when he said it. lol

The Poz
06-13-2011, 01:33 PM
Love it.

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/deshawn.png

http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/06/13/deshawn-stevensons-t-shirt-hey-lebron-hows-my-dirk-taste/

DeShawn Stevenson’s T-Shirt: ‘Hey LeBron! How’s My Dirk Taste’

rocknrolla
06-13-2011, 01:34 PM
I soooo wish he would buy the Royals.

We could only wish. I love him as an owner. He deserves that trophy.

Brock
06-13-2011, 01:37 PM
Where did he say that at?

"All the people that was rooting on me to fail, at the end of the day they have to wake up tomorrow and have the same life that they had before they woke up today," James said. "They have the same personal problems they had today."

.

loochy
06-13-2011, 01:45 PM
Love it.

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/deshawn.png

http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/06/13/deshawn-stevensons-t-shirt-hey-lebron-hows-my-dirk-taste/

DeShawn Stevenson’s T-Shirt: ‘Hey LeBron! How’s My Dirk Taste’

that

is

awesome

and I want one

BigCatDaddy
06-13-2011, 01:58 PM
.

I really didn't have that much disdain for the dude until he said that. Make room for me on the Anti-Lebron/Heat bandwagon now.

DJ's left nut
06-13-2011, 02:08 PM
I really didn't have that much disdain for the dude until he said that. Make room for me on the Anti-Lebron/Heat bandwagon now.

Just so long as it's acknowledged that this is my mothafuckin wagon.

I knocked on LeBron before knocking on LeBron was cool.

Dylan
06-13-2011, 02:32 PM
To those commoners:

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/ap/8c/fullj.6d72bd5f7a7337760e1247018e487028/ap-201106122332847247833.jpg

“At the end of the day, all the people rooting for me to fail, they have to wake up tomorrow and have the same life they had before they woke up today, They have the same personal problems they had today. I’m going to continue to live the way I want to live. . . . They can get a few days or a few months on being happy about not only myself but the Miami Heat not accomplishing their goal, but they have to get back to the real world at some point.”

Count Zarth
06-13-2011, 02:39 PM
So many awesome photos.

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/dirkannmargolinjerryallen.JPG

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/Deshawn%20Stevenson.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn279/junkmailfabo/l0blmo.jpg

http://cdn.photos.tmz.com/gallery_images/images/2011/06/D1AB1C4120E_full.jpg

vailpass
06-13-2011, 02:43 PM
I wonder what Cuban will give them instead of rings?

Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban is one of the most forward-thinking owners in all of professional sports.

Cuban is always looking for new innovations to improve the game.

Could that also include starting a new trend when it comes to championship jewelry?

While being interviewed during NBA TV's postgame show by host Matt Winer, Cuban was asked just how big of a ring he was planning to get for his players.

Cuban quickly put some doubt into those plans.

"I'll tell you something, I might not get rings," Cuban said. "Rings are old school."

Analyst Chris Webber was surprised by the answer, but Cuban compared it to Webber's days at Michigan.

"It's like the Fab Five; everybody had short shorts, then they didn't have short shorts," Cuban said.

Webber asked Cuban that if he wasn't planning on the customary rings that players have received for decades for winning the title, what exactly was Cuban going to do?

Cuban smiled and kept that answer close to the vest, much like he has all of his comments throughout these playoffs. Cuban smiled and nodded, but he did not say what was up his sleeve.

It is obvious, however, that Cuban has put some thought into how he would celebrate, should this day ever come.

"You've seen it before, there's guys who pick up the sweats and towels and they have these big, blingy rings, and I'm like, "Rings are done," Cuban said.

"It's time to take it to the next level."

http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/06/12/11/No-rings-for-Mavericks/landing_nbafinals2011.html?blockID=532190&feedID=3742&GT1=39002

vailpass
06-13-2011, 02:44 PM
My favorite Dallas Mavericks and I hope yours...
maybe NSFW

http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/pages/photogallery?gid=6240&gf=552

Dylan
06-13-2011, 02:45 PM
Where did he say that at?

Choose a media outlet: http://www.google.com/search?q=lebron+james%3A+%E2%80%9CAt+the+end+of+the+day%2C+all+the+people+rooting+for+me+to+fail%2C+ they+have+to+wake+up+tomorrow+and+have+the+same+life+they+had+before+they+woke+up+today%2C%E2%80%9D+ James+said.+%E2%80%9CThey+have+the+same+personal+problems+they+had+today.+I%E2%80%99m+going+to+conti nue+to+live&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&ie=&oe=#sclient=psy&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us%3AIE-Address&source=hp&q=+%E2%80%9CAt+the+end+of+the+day%2C+all+the+people+rooting+for+me+to+fail%2C+they+have+to+wake+up+t omorrow+and+have+the+same+life+they+had+before+they+woke+up+today%2C%E2%80%9D+James+said.+%E2%80%9CT hey+have+the+same+personal+problems+they+had+today.+I%E2%80%99m+going+to+continue+to+live&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=678c01dc6d327c63&biw=1280&bih=651

Lzen
06-13-2011, 02:46 PM
And speaking of Whitlock, did anyone see that press conference (after game 4? - or was it game 2?) where JW asked something dumb and Rick Carlisle just shunned him? I wish I could find a clip of that. It was quite comical.

Found it.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2011/06/video-jason-whitlock-mavericks-rick-carlisle-/1

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Count Zarth
06-13-2011, 02:52 PM
Holy shit man.

<iframe width="540" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/oHjyk6jO3uc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

SNR
06-13-2011, 02:52 PM
Just so long as it's acknowledged that this is my mothafuckin wagon.

I knocked on LeBron before knocking on LeBron was cool.I'll give you props. I was calling you an idiot back in the Lebron/Kobe thread, so I suppose I look foolish now.

To be fair, though, I don't think ANYBODY anticipated this big of a fall from greatness for Lebron, even going back to Game 5 against the Celtics last year. I certainly didn't. When I said Lebron had a brighter future, and could take out Kobe one-on-one last year, I didn't think he'd shy away like he did. I never anticipated him playing SCARED.

And I think not even you expected that. If somebody told you in that thread that Lebron would team up with Wade and Bosh on the Miami Heat, and make the finals, you'd say, "Okay, sure. I guess I can see that." Then if somebody told you that in the finals Lebron would stop raping faces when he gets close to the hoop, and that he'd turn into a jump-shooting pussy against the Dallas Mavericks of all teams, I imagine you would have called them fucking nuts.

I don't think ANYBODY could have seen this coming.

Count Zarth
06-13-2011, 02:59 PM
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0ekI7OD79e48K/x610.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/08HObu0aaWaUV/x610.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/076MeGBeNq915/x610.jpg

Count Zarth
06-13-2011, 02:59 PM
lulz

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/attachments/sports/174235d1307944215-2010-2011-nba-season-gameover.jpg

Count Zarth
06-13-2011, 03:01 PM
I really don't want to hear anyone say anything bad about Mark Cuban ever again.

He was super classy letting the original owner of the Mavs hold the trophy first and now he's paying for the parade in Dallas.

Count Zarth
06-13-2011, 03:10 PM
Time to break them up, says Whitlock.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/miami-heat-lebron-james-dwyane-wade-chris-bosh-blow-up-the-big-three-061311


Heat should pull plug on Big Three


They’re done. Miami’s Big Three — LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh. Add Erik Spoelstra and front-running Heat fans, too. Toast. All of them.

They can’t survive what we just witnessed, a Finals meltdown of historic proportion, an ego deflation that is being celebrated throughout the basketball world.

With their preseason celebration and postseason (cough, cough) arrogance, The Big Three set the stakes — championship or bust. Now, in the aftermath of the Dallas Mavericks taking three straight games and the title, the Heat must accept the consequences.

It’s over. Wade’s brainchild and Pat Riley’s free-agent coup is a failure. The right thing to do is to blow it up before it dies as a result of friendly fire.

Let’s start with the easy stuff. Erik Spoelstra has no business coaching a legitimate title contender. Rick Carlisle put Spoelstra in a clown suit. Does Spoelstra have a zone offense? Blessed with a superior roster in terms of athleticism and down double digits late, does Spoelstra realize you can pick up defensively full court?

Spo must go.

So must any notion that Miami is a serious sports town.

“Our fans just punked the s*** out of the Miami fans,” said Dallas owner Mark Cuban, referring to the 3,000 to 4,000 Mavericks fans inside Miami’s American Airlines Arena for Game 6.

Heat fans sold out and jumped ship. Which brings me to my main point.

LeBron James is a man without a country. He abandoned Cleveland. And Miami has no love for him. The Heat fans who sold their tickets to Dallas supporters will now unleash their vitriol on King James.

He’s a national laughingstock, a late-night punch line. He’s a hard-to-love Charlie Brown.

Worse, because of his putrid performance in the last three games, his ability to command respect within the Heat locker room (and across the NBA) has been severely undermined. His pregame speeches will forever sound phony and hollow. There’s no reason for Wade to share the leadership role with James again.

James and Wade are the same, need-the-ball-in-their-hands player. James is better than Wade. But Wade has much bigger (basket)balls.

Today, there are people in Miami who dislike James more than people in Cleveland do. In Wade, Heat fans see the intangibles missing in James. Wade is willing to do whatever is necessary to win. James? Not so much.

The last three games, he hid on the offensive end, repeatedly turning down open looks. In Game 4, he stood flat-footed and zombie-like as Dirk Nowitzki drove the lane for the game-winning basket. In Sunday’s elimination game, James basically declined to rebound, finishing with just four.

With his body and athleticism, James should snatch eight rebounds in his sleep. On nights when he doesn’t trust his jump shot, James should collect a half-dozen offensive rebounds and four put-backs.

Does pressure choke James? Maybe. More likely, James is simply moody. Kids born into family dysfunction often struggle emotionally.

All season when the Heat experienced adversity it took several games for the team to snap out of its funk. The adversity, the depression lingered. The Heat reflected James. Boston and Chicago failed to hit Miami in the mouth and force James, Wade and Bosh to question themselves and Spoelstra. Dallas didn’t.

The Mavericks hit the Heat twice. In Game 2, Dallas erased a 15-point, fourth-quarter lead, tied the series 1-1 and raised questions about the Heat’s premature celebration. In Game 4, Nowitzki drove around Udonis Haslem for the game-winner, raising questions about Spoelstra’s strategy.

The Heat crumbled. They won’t recover. How can they?

James is a villain in Miami now. Heat fans don’t trust him. They’ll chew on him throughout the offseason and take a cynical view of all his work until the next NBA Finals. So will his teammates.

James can’t be the alpha male on a team with Wade. LeBron’s global-icon aspirations, and No. 1 Nike pitchman status won’t allow him to be Wade’s clear sidekick. Complicating matters even more, the NBA is headed for a likely work stoppage next season. An abbreviated season gives the Heat less time to work out comfortable roles for Wade and James

Replacing Spoelstra with Pat Riley won’t fix what ails the Heat. James and Wade are the same player. In eight NBA seasons, James has demonstrated no interest in developing a low-post game to take advantage of his magnificent frame. He loves his game. It earned him two MVP trophies, lifetime financial security, the nickname King James and the freedom to avoid self-awareness at times of crisis.

“The Greater Man upstairs know when it’s my time. Right now isn’t the time,” James tweeted after Miami’s Game 6 loss.

God doesn’t care about the NBA Finals. James’ teammates and bandwagon Heat fans do. They’d love for him to spend the offseason improving his obvious weaknesses.

Short of that, they’d probably like to see him traded for parts that fit. James for Dwight Howard makes a lot of sense.

The Big Three is done. It was a noble experiment. James and Wade deserve credit for trying to make it work, for being completely loyal to and unselfish with each other for an entire season.

Now it’s time to move on before they inflict further damage on their reputations.

Count Zarth
06-13-2011, 03:15 PM
http://www.abload.de/img/lebron-conferenceuuzz.gif

SNR
06-13-2011, 03:15 PM
"The name is pronounced 'Novitzki', Dawid Stern"

-Woody's blackboard on Around The Horn

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-13-2011, 03:22 PM
I'd almost guarantee that Cuban gets them championship belts.

Pestilence
06-13-2011, 03:23 PM
I'd almost guarantee that Cuban gets them championship belts.

That'd be fucking awesome.

DJ's left nut
06-13-2011, 03:28 PM
http://www.abload.de/img/lebron-conferenceuuzz.gif

I actually had to go watch the presser to see if that hadn't been spliced....

Wow - James really did sit there for a minute and turn to Wade to get him to answer.

Seriously - that may be as much as needs to be said here. James is simply an overgrown kid. That's Wade's team and if Wade isn't feeling it, James isn't going to step up and save the day.

Wow...what an incredibly strange reaction. LBJ gets more and more bizarre every time the spotlight is on him.

dirk digler
06-13-2011, 03:29 PM
Time to break them up, says Whitlock.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/miami-heat-lebron-james-dwyane-wade-chris-bosh-blow-up-the-big-three-061311

Whitlock is an idiot they aren't going to blow this team up after just reaching the Finals.

Count Zarth
06-13-2011, 03:29 PM
Lebron probably looked at Wade because Lebron thought he played a better game considering Wade was 6 for 16.

Jerkoff.

Pestilence
06-13-2011, 03:30 PM
Now I know why LeBron didn't go to college. He didn't want to show up for the finals.

Pestilence
06-13-2011, 03:31 PM
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BIG_DADDY
06-13-2011, 03:34 PM
Now I know why LeBron didn't go to college. He didn't want to show up for the finals.

He used to be the chosen one, now he's just the frozen one.

BIG_DADDY
06-13-2011, 03:35 PM
Why can't you get change from LeBron?

He always holds out on the 4th quarter.

Mr. Laz
06-13-2011, 04:13 PM
and hopefully chicago improves enough for next year that Miami doesn't even make it to the finals next time. LMAO




Howard to the Bulls?

Count Zarth
06-13-2011, 04:20 PM
HOLGER BE CLUBBIN (center of photo)

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DBOSHO
06-13-2011, 04:31 PM
How do you keep lebron out of your yard?

Paint a 3pt line around it.

Mr. Laz
06-13-2011, 04:35 PM
Are the Heat having a parade today? 'Cause no one is better at celebrating when nothing has been achieved.

@GottliebShow (http://twitter.com/GottliebShow) retweet this if you have the same amount of rings as LeBron

Mr. Arrowhead
06-13-2011, 04:44 PM
This shit just gives me goosebumps

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Dallas Chief
06-13-2011, 04:52 PM
I actually had to go watch the presser to see if that hadn't been spliced....

Wow - James really did sit there for a minute and turn to Wade to get him to answer.

Seriously - that may be as much as needs to be said here. James is simply an overgrown kid. That's Wade's team and if Wade isn't feeling it, James isn't going to step up and save the day.

Wow...what an incredibly strange reaction. LBJ gets more and more bizarre every time the spotlight is on him.

What's so strange about it? Just another A-hole from the state of Ohio. See them all the time...

Count Zarth
06-13-2011, 04:53 PM
THEORY A

Remember when Wade tore into LeBron with three-plus minutes remaining in Game 3? When he yelled at him for eight solid seconds? When there was genuine anger in his eyes? When he did it right on the court, right in front of the other players, right in front of 20,000 fans and 10 million TV viewers?

LeBron was never the same after that.

When was the last time anyone ever really yelled at LeBron James? You'd have to go back to high school, right? He just spent the past 10 years being coddled by everyone (teammates, coaches, agents, entourage members, yes-men, general managers, owners, media members, etc.). Imagine he was a little kid (which really, he might be to some degree), and imagine you were his father and didn't believe in yelling at your kids. Now, imagine your kid screwed up in his second-grade play and, for whatever reason, you broke character, snapped, and berated him for eight seconds in front of everyone. How would he handle that? Poorly, right? He'd pretend it didn't affect him, but the more he thought about it, it would gnaw away at him (especially once his buddies said, "I can't believe your dad yelled at you like that").

Could that have been what happened to LeBron? Did those eight seconds shake his confidence beyond repair? Did he resent Wade for embarrassing him? Did he think to himself, "Fine, you want to act like this is your team, then YOU win this title?" I believe every basketball champion needs a pecking order of sorts; that's just what the history of the league told us. Miami tried to cheat this concept by putting two of the league's best three players on the same team. It worked for 8½ months; LeBron and Wade ran the team together and deferred to one another depending on the moment. Then the Finals rolled around, Wade kicked it up another gear, LeBron didn't do the same, Wade called him out … and the team was NEVER the same. These are the facts.

Pestilence
06-13-2011, 04:54 PM
I'm happy for Marion. I always liked him when he was in Phoenix (me being a Suns fan)....

KevB
06-13-2011, 04:58 PM
I actually had to go watch the presser to see if that hadn't been spliced....

Wow - James really did sit there for a minute and turn to Wade to get him to answer.

Seriously - that may be as much as needs to be said here. James is simply an overgrown kid. That's Wade's team and if Wade isn't feeling it, James isn't going to step up and save the day.

Wow...what an incredibly strange reaction. LBJ gets more and more bizarre every time the spotlight is on him.

Wade wasn't feeling it at all against Chicago, and James laid waste to the Bulls throughout that series and carried the Heat. He disappeared in the Finals, but it wasn't like that for most of the playoffs. That's what makes the last few games such a mystery.

KurtCobain
06-13-2011, 05:11 PM
and hopefully chicago improves enough for next year that Miami doesn't even make it to the finals next time. LMAO




Howard to the Bulls?

This. Howard to the fucking bulls. Epic.

I also read a blog about how Wade would come to Chi, Howard to Mia, and pieces to Orlando. It won't happen, but it'd be fucking a.

KevB
06-13-2011, 05:15 PM
and hopefully chicago improves enough for next year that Miami doesn't even make it to the finals next time. LMAO




Howard to the Bulls?

What would they have to give up? Noah, Gibson, Deng and picks? Would that even be enough? Don't see it happening. That said, Rose and Howard? Wow.

Brock
06-13-2011, 05:25 PM
THEORY A

Remember when Wade tore into LeBron with three-plus minutes remaining in Game 3? When he yelled at him for eight solid seconds? When there was genuine anger in his eyes? When he did it right on the court, right in front of the other players, right in front of 20,000 fans and 10 million TV viewers?

LeBron was never the same after that.

Well, if that's the case, James is a mental weakling.

PunkinDrublic
06-13-2011, 05:27 PM
Last night was so much fun. This is the firtst time I've watched a game at a bar while the home city was winning a championship. Lot's of high fiving and drunken white guy dancing. I was still a little drunk when I went in to work today. It was great beating the heat but I think it was awesome to see longtime veteran players like Jason Kidd and Shawn Marion finally get a ring.

Cuban is everything you could want in an owner. When the fans greeted the Mavs at the airport he even let some fans get pictures and hold the trophy. Next week when the parade is held, Cuban has already said he would pay for it all.

Silock
06-13-2011, 05:30 PM
THEORY A

Remember when Wade tore into LeBron with three-plus minutes remaining in Game 3? When he yelled at him for eight solid seconds? When there was genuine anger in his eyes? When he did it right on the court, right in front of the other players, right in front of 20,000 fans and 10 million TV viewers?

LeBron was never the same after that.

When was the last time anyone ever really yelled at LeBron James? You'd have to go back to high school, right? He just spent the past 10 years being coddled by everyone (teammates, coaches, agents, entourage members, yes-men, general managers, owners, media members, etc.). Imagine he was a little kid (which really, he might be to some degree), and imagine you were his father and didn't believe in yelling at your kids. Now, imagine your kid screwed up in his second-grade play and, for whatever reason, you broke character, snapped, and berated him for eight seconds in front of everyone. How would he handle that? Poorly, right? He'd pretend it didn't affect him, but the more he thought about it, it would gnaw away at him (especially once his buddies said, "I can't believe your dad yelled at you like that").

Could that have been what happened to LeBron? Did those eight seconds shake his confidence beyond repair? Did he resent Wade for embarrassing him? Did he think to himself, "Fine, you want to act like this is your team, then YOU win this title?" I believe every basketball champion needs a pecking order of sorts; that's just what the history of the league told us. Miami tried to cheat this concept by putting two of the league's best three players on the same team. It worked for 8½ months; LeBron and Wade ran the team together and deferred to one another depending on the moment. Then the Finals rolled around, Wade kicked it up another gear, LeBron didn't do the same, Wade called him out … and the team was NEVER the same. These are the facts.

I need to see video of this! NAO!

Mr. Laz
06-13-2011, 05:52 PM
What would they have to give up? Noah, Gibson, Deng and picks? Would that even be enough? Don't see it happening. That said, Rose and Howard? Wow.depends on whether Howard tells them to trade him or get nothing because he isn't coming back.

If Orlando is in "get something" mode then the price drops a lot. It would probably end up involving more than 2 teams. The Bulls have tons of cap room so they can give cap relief to a 3rd team to get more value sent to the Magic.

Pasta Giant Meatball
06-13-2011, 05:53 PM
Wade wasn't feeling it at all against Chicago, and James laid waste to the Bulls throughout that series and carried the Heat. He disappeared in the Finals, but it wasn't like that for most of the playoffs. That's what makes the last few games such a mystery.

Yeah, it is wierd. He played completely different in the 2 series. He was a passive pussy against Dallas. Alot of times it looked like he didn't even want the ball.

PunkinDrublic
06-13-2011, 05:57 PM
Wade wasn't feeling it at all against Chicago, and James laid waste to the Bulls throughout that series and carried the Heat. He disappeared in the Finals, but it wasn't like that for most of the playoffs. That's what makes the last few games such a mystery.

Uh maybe it's because Shawn Marion found a way to shut down Lebron. I'm tired of the Mavs not getting any credit for beating a team that was dominating the playoffs.

rocknrolla
06-13-2011, 06:00 PM
Last night was so much fun. This is the firtst time I've watched a game at a bar while the home city was winning a championship. Lot's of high fiving and drunken white guy dancing. I was still a little drunk when I went in to work today. It was great beating the heat but I think it was awesome to see longtime veteran players like Jason Kidd and Shawn Marion finally get a ring.

Cuban is everything you could want in an owner. When the fans greeted the Mavs at the airport he even let some fans get pictures and hold the trophy. Next week when the parade is held, Cuban has already said he would pay for it all.

Cuban is an awesome owner. The MLB really needs to watch how he takes care of his team. He is a fan first.

mnchiefsguy
06-13-2011, 06:00 PM
Last night was so much fun. This is the firtst time I've watched a game at a bar while the home city was winning a championship. Lot's of high fiving and drunken white guy dancing. I was still a little drunk when I went in to work today. It was great beating the heat but I think it was awesome to see longtime veteran players like Jason Kidd and Shawn Marion finally get a ring.

Cuban is everything you could want in an owner. When the fans greeted the Mavs at the airport he even let some fans get pictures and hold the trophy. Next week when the parade is held, Cuban has already said he would pay for it all.

Yeah, I thought it was a class act of Cuban to pay for the parade, since the city of Dallas, like many others, are going through financial difficulties. Cuban is a passionate owner who loves his city and loves winning, which is good for Dallas and the NBA.

Count Zarth
06-13-2011, 06:04 PM
I need to see video of this! NAO!

I can't find it. At least it didn't happen in Game 3.

notorious
06-13-2011, 06:07 PM
This. Howard to the ****ing bulls. Epic.

I also read a blog about how Wade would come to Chi, Howard to Mia, and pieces to Orlando. It won't happen, but it'd be ****ing a.

What would they have to give up? Noah, Gibson, Deng and picks? Would that even be enough? Don't see it happening. That said, Rose and Howard? Wow.

Not going to happen (to my dismay).

The Bulls payroll is screwed.

Mr. Laz
06-13-2011, 06:10 PM
Uh maybe it's because Shawn Marion found a way to shut down Lebron. I'm tired of the Mavs not getting any credit for beating a team that was dominating the playoffs.
Miami didn't dominate the Bulls

If Boozer wasn't such a worthless pile of crap the Heat would of lost and i doubt it would of even been that close.

Count Zarth
06-13-2011, 06:11 PM
It was game 4.

. Wade recently screamed at LeBron on the court in Game 4 on his luckluster 8-point performance against the Dirk Nowitzki's Mavericks on Tuesday night.

Mr. Laz
06-13-2011, 06:16 PM
Not going to happen (to my dismay).

The Bulls payroll is screwed.
how is their payroll screwed?

They cleared enough cap money for Lebron,Wade and almost even Bosh.

Iirc they were like 2 million short of being able to afford all 3 max contracts. They gave away a 1st Rd pick and Hinrich to clear off 9 million off the books to make room for guys they never ending up getting.

If Deng and/or Boozer is included in the trade that would be another 9 million per.

Hell, i don't even think they need to do anything to fit a max contract for Howard under the cap.

Noah,Deng,Boozer,Gibson would all be available plus whatever they could get adding in if they brought in a 3rd team.

I would like them to keep Gibson but ... :shrug:

ChiefsCountry
06-13-2011, 06:23 PM
Howard to the Bulls is a pipe dream. Bulls don't have the pieces to acquire Howard.

Count Zarth
06-13-2011, 06:23 PM
Mavs were outscored by 97 points on 2 pointers and free throws this post season. Outscored the opponent by 216 on three pointers.

Three ball won the championship.

41 percent against the Heat.

KurtCobain
06-13-2011, 06:28 PM
Wade to the bulls could so happen, though.

Count Zarth
06-13-2011, 06:28 PM
Wait, it was game three.

There were periods of Game 3 where it seemed like LeBron was headed towards another playoff meltdown. After LeBron swung a pass to Chalmers in the corner, Chalmers got trapped and turned it over. Dwyane Wade began yelling at LeBron and calling him out. It lasted for about 10 seconds. LeBron is the best player in the world. Why should he need a teammate to call him out?

Count Zarth
06-13-2011, 06:31 PM
ESPN must have caught the footage I guess because it wasn't on the TV broadcast.

ChiefsandO'sfan
06-13-2011, 06:33 PM
http://www.tmz.com/2011/06/13/lebron-james-deshawn-stevenson-dirk-nowitzki-tell-me-how-my-dirk-tastes-tshirt-photo/

BIG_DADDY
06-13-2011, 06:33 PM
Uh maybe it's because Shawn Marion found a way to shut down Lebron. I'm tired of the Mavs not getting any credit for beating a team that was dominating the playoffs.

Everyone is giving the Mavs mad props. They did an awesome job and I have heard nothing but that having listened to over 6 hours of sports talk since the game. I have no idea why you always have to bring the drama.

Al Bundy
06-13-2011, 06:40 PM
Cuban is an awesome owner. The MLB really needs to watch how he takes care of his team. He is a fan first.

The old fart MLB owners would not allow him to own a team.

ChiefsCountry
06-13-2011, 06:56 PM
Wade to the bulls could so happen, though.

LMAOLMAOLMAO

Mr. Arrowhead
06-13-2011, 07:28 PM
Dam cuban is so awesome LMAO
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KevB
06-13-2011, 08:10 PM
Uh maybe it's because Shawn Marion found a way to shut down Lebron. I'm tired of the Mavs not getting any credit for beating a team that was dominating the playoffs.

I completely agree that the Mavs should get a ton of credit, and you can absolutely start there. That said, LeBron didn't do anything when Kidd and Terry were guarding him either, and neither of those guys are better defensively than Deng, especially with Noah/Gibson helping on the back end. His mindset changed completely from the Bulls series to the Mavs, and I don't think it was 100% Mavs.

How about Kidd though, defensively? He did some amazing things during this run, checking Kobe and LeBron for significant stretches.

-King-
06-13-2011, 08:12 PM
I kind of want that DeShawn Stevenson "Hey Lebron, Tell me how my Dirk tastes" shirt.

Count Zarth
06-13-2011, 08:19 PM
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06-13-2011, 08:29 PM
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Count Zarth
06-13-2011, 09:01 PM
Lebron James: The New Decision

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BIG_DADDY
06-13-2011, 09:15 PM
Lebron James: The New Decision

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LMAO

notorious
06-13-2011, 09:18 PM
how is their payroll screwed?

They cleared enough cap money for Lebron,Wade and almost even Bosh.

Iirc they were like 2 million short of being able to afford all 3 max contracts. They gave away a 1st Rd pick and Hinrich to clear off 9 million off the books to make room for guys they never ending up getting.

If Deng and/or Boozer is included in the trade that would be another 9 million per.

Hell, i don't even think they need to do anything to fit a max contract for Howard under the cap.

Noah,Deng,Boozer,Gibson would all be available plus whatever they could get adding in if they brought in a 3rd team.

I would like them to keep Gibson but ... :shrug:


Just going by what every ESPN reporter and talk show is saying.

Count Zarth
06-13-2011, 09:44 PM
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KevB
06-13-2011, 10:35 PM
Just going by what every ESPN reporter and talk show is saying.

Nobody is going to take Boozer's contract. But a package of Noah, Deng and Gibson would probably be somewhat competitive if Howard demands a trade. That's as much as the Nuggets got for Melo, if not a bit more.

Count Zarth
06-13-2011, 11:47 PM
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Lzen
06-14-2011, 07:29 AM
Now I know why LeBron didn't go to college. He didn't want to show up for the finals.

ROFL

Lzen
06-14-2011, 07:42 AM
LMAO

ROFL

How can you not like this guy?

dirk digler
06-14-2011, 07:56 AM
how is their payroll screwed?

They cleared enough cap money for Lebron,Wade and almost even Bosh.

Iirc they were like 2 million short of being able to afford all 3 max contracts. They gave away a 1st Rd pick and Hinrich to clear off 9 million off the books to make room for guys they never ending up getting.

If Deng and/or Boozer is included in the trade that would be another 9 million per.

Hell, i don't even think they need to do anything to fit a max contract for Howard under the cap.

Noah,Deng,Boozer,Gibson would all be available plus whatever they could get adding in if they brought in a 3rd team.

I would like them to keep Gibson but ... :shrug:

Looking at their salaries for next season it is $61 million. The cap this past season was $58 million and it is expected to go down once they agree to the new CBA with a hard cap.

They would have to unload Noah ($10 million) and Deng ($12.3 million) at the minimum to get Howard .

Could be wrong on that though since I don't quite totally understand the NBA caps...

loochy
06-14-2011, 07:56 AM
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That's racist.

DJ's left nut
06-14-2011, 08:39 AM
Hey look! It's yet another guy saying what I've been saying about James for 18 months now:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6657623/nba-finals-game-6-retro-diary

6:42: Just wanted to commemorate this moment: Miami down three, gets a rebound and gets the ball to LeBron on the right side of the key, with J.J. Barea defending him one-on-one … and LeBron turns and throws a pass 20 feet backwards to Wade at midcourt. A few seconds later, Miami gives it back to LeBron, who reluctantly backs Barea down to the low post … and bowls him over. Offensive foul. All hail the King!

(Note that's too important to be a footnote: If that sequence alone isn't enough to inspire LeBron to lock himself in a gym all summer until he emerges with a spin move, a jump hook, and a Jordan-eseque fallaway, then he's the biggest waste of talent in NBA history. You know at the car wash when they offer the "everything" package? That's what God gave LeBron. He's threatening to waste it. In a nutshell, this is what makes us so angry about him. It's not The Decision, or his lack of self-awareness, or the fact that he's a front-runner … it's that he's blowing the "everything" car-wash package. You see an athlete get handed the "everything" package maybe only five times in your life.)

Pestilence
06-14-2011, 10:06 AM
Lebron James: The New Decision

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ROFL

ChiefsCountry
06-14-2011, 10:12 AM
Looking at their salaries for next season it is $61 million. The cap this past season was $58 million and it is expected to go down once they agree to the new CBA with a hard cap.

They would have to unload Noah ($10 million) and Deng ($12.3 million) at the minimum to get Howard .

Could be wrong on that though since I don't quite totally understand the NBA caps...

You have to match salaries in a trade in the NBA as well, or basically each team has to have equal value in salary unless a team is under the cap or have a trade expection clause type deal.

Here is something to play around with:
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker

Pestilence
06-14-2011, 10:13 AM
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ChiefsCountry
06-14-2011, 10:17 AM
I think Howard is going to end up either a Laker through a trade or sign as a free agent next year in Boston.

Pestilence
06-14-2011, 10:24 AM
God it sucks being a Suns fan. We're never going to win shit.

milkman
06-14-2011, 10:40 AM
I really don't have much to add as far as the playoffs go, cause I really couldn't generate in "give a fuck" for these playoffs.

But I have to say, Mark Cuban is the type of owner that every fan and any sports league should embrace enthusiastically.

DJ's left nut
06-14-2011, 10:45 AM
I think Howard is going to end up either a Laker through a trade or sign as a free agent next year in Boston.

The problem for that trade would be that it's tough for the Lakers to sweeten the pot much.

Unless they'd go straight across for Bynum, there just isn't much the Lakers have to offer. If the Lakers have to include Odom, they end up pretty thin in their frontcourt. Further, if they're going to deal Odom (who's a nice player on a very nice contract), they need to bring back backcourt help.

It would be nice if the Lakers had a decent young player as a trade chip. At that point they could offer something like

Bynum - Odom - Young guy for Howard and Nelson

But without that extra chip, I don't think Bynum/Odom gets you Howard AND Nelson. Though it would probably get them Howard and Redick; allowing Kobe to play the 3 more with w/ Gasol at the 4 and Howard the 5. Artest could come off the bench to slide Kobe to the 2 against bad matchups or get traded for a younger PG option. EDIT: I forgot that Orlando traded for Gilbert Arenas and nobody's going to want to take that contract. They may be willing to move Nelson for less than I thought to clear the starting PG slot for Arenas. So maybe that Nelson deal could happen afterall.

Maybe Bynum/Odom for Howard/Bass/Richardson (though I think Orlando really likes Bass, so I doubt they pull the trigger on that one).

It's one of the more intriguing ideas because the Lakers are one of the few teams in the league that have a legit big man to offer in return, and a young one with some 'franchise' potential at that.

ChiefsCountry
06-14-2011, 10:58 AM
The problem for that trade would be that it's tough for the Lakers to sweeten the pot much.

Unless they'd go straight across for Bynum, there just isn't much the Lakers have to offer. If the Lakers have to include Odom, they end up pretty thin in their frontcourt. Further, if they're going to deal Odom (who's a nice player on a very nice contract), they need to bring back backcourt help.

It would be nice if the Lakers had a decent young player as a trade chip. At that point they could offer something like

Bynum - Odom - Young guy for Howard and Nelson

But without that extra chip, I don't think Bynum/Odom gets you Howard AND Nelson. Though it would probably get them Howard and Redick; allowing Kobe to play the 3 more with w/ Gasol at the 4 and Howard the 5. Artest could come off the bench to slide Kobe to the 2 against bad matchups or get traded for a younger PG option.

Maybe Bynum/Odom for Howard/Bass/Richardson (though I think Orlando really likes Bass, so I doubt they pull the trigger on that one).

It's one of the more intriguing ideas because the Lakers are one of the few teams in the league that have a legit big man to offer in return, and a young one with some 'franchise' potential at that.

I was thinking Bynum/Odom/Draft Pick for Howard/Duhon/Richardson. That is probablly the best deal out there for Howard at this moment in terms of value unless another superstar player gets thrown into the mix that hasn't been bounced around before.

Ideally though you know Orlando woud want to throw Arenas in any deal to get rid of that contract sort of like what Denver did with Billups.

BigCatDaddy
06-14-2011, 11:01 AM
I was thinking Bynum/Odom/Draft Pick for Howard/Duhon/Richardson. That is probablly the best deal out there for Howard at this moment in terms of value unless another superstar player gets thrown into the mix that hasn't been bounced around before.

Ideally though you know Orlando woud want to throw Arenas in any deal to get rid of that contract sort of like what Denver did with Billups.

So basically a first class asshole that can't stay healthy to play 1/2 a season, a 33 year old that has sucked everywhere else and late 1st round draft pick for All Star Center and pretty good 2 guard. I have to imagine they would get a better offer then that.

That would be a butt raping on an epic trade level for the Lakers.

DJ's left nut
06-14-2011, 11:19 AM
So basically a first class asshole that can't stay healthy to play 1/2 a season, a 33 year old that has sucked everywhere else and late 1st round draft pick for All Star Center and pretty good 2 guard. I have to imagine they would get a better offer then that.

That would be a butt raping on an epic trade level for the Lakers.

So Lamar Odom is "a 33 yr old that has sucked everywhere else" whereas Duhon and Richardson are "pretty good guards"?

Do you really believe there's a chance in hell any NBA exec wouldn't fall over themselves to make a Duhon/Richardon for Odom trade? Duhon and Richardson are about as replaceable as guards get. Neither of them have any particularly difficult to replace skill. Shit, Duhon is the 4th PG on that squad and averaged a whopping 2.5 PPG last season. Richardson, OTOH, averaged a stunning 4.4 on an incredible 34% from the floor.

There's a reason both of them have been dumped by a handful of teams over the last few years. Meanwhile Odom just made an AS team and was named 6th man of the year. He's 31 (not 33 and all of about 4 months older than Richardson).

Get that crap out of there, you're obviously talking out your ass. If you think the Magic will get a better offer than a potential franchise center plus a very good PF on a well below market contract for Howard and 2 dogshit guards when Howard's reportedly demanding a trade, you're just naive.

dirk digler
06-14-2011, 11:32 AM
You have to match salaries in a trade in the NBA as well, or basically each team has to have equal value in salary unless a team is under the cap or have a trade expection clause type deal.

Here is something to play around with:
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker

Thanks! That is pretty cool

OnTheWarpath58
06-14-2011, 11:58 AM
An Open Letter to LeBron James:

http://withleather.uproxx.com/2011/06/an-open-letter-to-lebron-james/2

The Decision

Dear LeBron,

As we near the one-year anniversary of your “Decision” special, I can’t help but wonder if you understand the impact that it really had. Sure, “you” have talked about it. You sort of called it a bad idea only after you had already played the race card as a reason for the hate-laced response from your former fans in Cleveland. But YOU have never actually talked about it.

We’re a little smarter than you give us credit for. We know that you have your team of handlers, yes-men, ass-kissers, childhood friends and other random associates and they’re constantly whispering ideas, thoughts, and suggestions into your ears. You’re a fool for thinking we don’t see this happening with every move that you make. If you scratch your nuts, we assume it’s to wake Maverick Carter from a nap.

When you disappeared for an entire month leading up to the Decision, all we could picture was you, Carter and a team of 1960s Batman villain henchmen with Zorro masks and crowbars hiding in a fortress on the side of a mountain as you plotted your next move. There’s very little secrecy anymore with Twitter, Facebook, blogs, TMZ, and GPS devices implanted into every child, so a refreshing take – we’ll get to an example in a bit – would be some honesty.

There’s not a soul on Earth that feels bad for Dan Gilbert after the way he handled the Decision, but you could have at least gained sympathy votes by throwing him under the bus before you openly stabbed Cleveland in the heart. Instead, you responded with the “What Should I Do?” Nike commercial that earned a collective groan, if not a gigantic fart noise. Poor form the whole way.

The Accusations

Dearer LeBron,

Even more seriously than the Decision, which raised $2 million for the Boys and Girls Club and still seemed like a consolation prize for the selfish arrogance you showed in the month leading up to the show, you were accused by media personalities of giving up in Game 5 of the Eastern Conference semifinals last year. I mean, if someone told me that I was giving up ¾ of the way into one of my blog posts, I’d defend myself. After all, I see my bad jokes through 100% of the way.

But you’ve now been called out twice for quitting, after you let CBS columnist Gregg Doyel make a fool out of you during the NBA Finals this year. How does the supposed greatest athlete in the world not stand up for himself by taking his game to the next level to prove that he’s not giving up? Bill Simmons accused you of quitting against the Celtics last year and this year you cried on the floor after defeating them in the semifinals. Then Doyel boasted that you shrank against the Mavericks and he looks right because you’ve done nothing to prove him wrong. Do you have no balls, man? Or did they shrink with your scoring average in the Finals?

Doyel even asked you point blank in a postgame conference if you were shrinking in big moments and you stood your ground and made him look foolish. We all sat back and collectively thought, “Oh man, he is going to dry hump the Mavs up and down the court in Game 5.” You scored 8 points. In the entire game. Is it because Doyel got under your skin? Is it because Rashard Lewis allegedly slept with your girlfriend a year after Delonte West allegedly slept with your mom? Is it because you’re tired of people comparing you to Michael Jordan when all you want to be is yourself?

Talk to us, man. Be a human being and stop offering up pissy, defensive remarks every time someone rubs you the wrong way. You come off as cold and whiny when we want you to be a dominating-but-friendly giant. Instead, you promise your fans 6 NBA titles and proclaim to own the NBA and you set yourself up to be the biggest fool when you fail to provide.

The Postgame Conference

Even Dearer LeBron,

Speaking of being human, do you really have to be such a dick about losing? We all lose at times, such is life. The difference between you and I is that if I screw up and underperform at my job tomorrow, I could be fired and never get another chance at my preferred occupation. When you lose, you get another chance and you don’t lose money or have to go home and put your head in your hands and wonder where the next rent check is coming from.

So why on Earth would you make such an insensitive comment after Game 6? Yes, you are right that we all went back to our own daily problems. Like yesterday, I was walking my dog and realized I didn’t bring any poop bags with me and I thought, “Damn that LeBron, he was right!” But you have fans who love and adore you no matter what and they buy your jerseys with what little money they have and they pay for nosebleed seats with money they set aside to be able to afford to go to one game during a season. Those fans can’t appreciate you boasting about your grandiose lifestyle as a retort to why you screwed the pooch.

But you were talking about the haters, right? Guys like me who cheered against you because we didn’t appreciate the way that you, Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh raised yourself on a ramp into an arena of screaming fans, wearing their brand new Heat jerseys to match their brand new Heat allegiance. Are we supposed to like you more because you put us in our places? I ask because I’ve always been taught that the best way to defeat your enemies is to win them over with charm. I just assume someone is telling you otherwise.

The Brand

Even Dearerer LeBron,

Speaking of the way you joined the Heat, let’s focus on your status as a celebrity. You are indeed larger than life, and I think that you’ve even already toppled Jordan in terms of being a global icon, simply because you’ve risen to prominence in the Social Networking Age. We see you at the clubs, partying with Jay Z, Beyonce, Lil Wayne, Drake, and a bevy of other young celebrities. You’re like a modern Rat Pack but you’re younger, stronger, wealthier and more capable of immortality in a cultural sense. But you’re doing it all wrong.

During the season, as your birthday approached, your people announced that you’d be hosting a huge birthday party at one of South Beach’s hottest night clubs. You charged people as little as $15,000 to attend, and as much as $500,000 to meet you for a brief moment. Your team – not the Heat, but your personal brand’s team – released a Power Point presentation straight out of Tom Haverford’s and Jean-Ralphio’s playbook. And from that one party, a series of parties was born, as you and your posse of detached dimwits traveled the nation as if to sound the horns and announce, “Your King has arrived!”

The problem is that your team – your actual basketball team – was playing at the same time, and defeating all of our teams, which makes us not like you very much, so celebrating yourself in our towns is a lot like saying, “I came, I saw, I conquered, and I played a little basketball, too.” Meanwhile, other stars have come through and eaten in our restaurants, shopped in our malls, and stopped to take a few pictures. You know, winning us over with charm and kindness.

The Comparisons

Dearest LeBron,

The biggest problem with your rise to prominence is that you face so many comparisons. For starters, as I’ve mentioned, you’re compared to Jordan for the title of Greatest of All Time. By joining the Heat, you’ve been constantly compared to Wade, because you’re both alpha dogs and probably the greatest in the game right now. You’ll always be compared to someone else because you’ve done nothing to set yourself apart from the other superstars, from hiding from your Cavs teammates and fans to hiding the Jordan Crawford video footage of him dunking on you.

Take a look at your teammates, specifically Wade and Bosh, after the Heat lost to the Mavs. Wade shook hands and congratulated his opponents. Bosh momentarily broke down crying, presumably from the intensity of his desire to win, but I believe it was also because of the pressure from the criticisms we’ve subjected him to. You walked away, shaking no hands as usual, shedding no tears, and offering us nothing more than rubbing our noses in the mistakes of our own lives.

I’ll make another comparison, more relevant than ever, because even Carmelo Anthony escaped the scrutiny you faced with the Decision. Dwight Howard announced yesterday that he will not sign his two-year extension and will test free agency at the end of the 11-12 season. He’s saying the right things to the media (“I want to have my own path, and I want to start that here in Orlando.”) and he’s hosting events in Orlando and speaking to his fans, telling them that he wants to stay. You’re right if you’re telling me that he’s conducting a smoke and mirrors act, too. But he’s not pulling the same disappearing act that you pulled by hiding from the media, fans, coaches and ownership. And even though he can’t hide because he still has one year left on his contract, he’s still pointing his finger at Rich DeVos and Otis Smith and telling everyone, “They’re the people responsible for my future.” And that’s all you ever had to do.

Is Howard selfish? Possibly. Is he throwing someone under the bus? Of course. But is Howard preparing his fans for his departure if his team cannot give him what he’s asked for? Indeed he is, and some of his fans are going to hate him for leaving, but most are going to respect him for leaving with honesty and class. Many people may never see you as honest or classy, but the least you can do for once is try.

The Bad Guy
06-14-2011, 11:58 AM
As a Laker fan, I don't want Jameer Nelson. Guy is soft, makes bad decisions, and might be one of the few PGs in the NBA that don't make a lot of guys better.

I think the Magic would jump at Bynum if Howard is going to leave. Not many teams can offer a young center that has 20ppg potential.

The Bad Guy
06-14-2011, 12:00 PM
So basically a first class asshole that can't stay healthy to play 1/2 a season, a 33 year old that has sucked everywhere else and late 1st round draft pick for All Star Center and pretty good 2 guard. I have to imagine they would get a better offer then that.

That would be a butt raping on an epic trade level for the Lakers.

Your NBA analysis is second to none.

Odom has sucked everywhere else? Quentin Richardon is a pretty good 2 guard? Is this the freaking twilight zone?

Odom was a really good player for Miami, and was a stat machine with the Clips.

dirk digler
06-14-2011, 12:04 PM
As a Laker fan, I don't want Jameer Nelson. Guy is soft, makes bad decisions, and might be one of the few PGs in the NBA that don't make a lot of guys better.

I think the Magic would jump at Bynum if Howard is going to leave. Not many teams can offer a young center that has 20ppg potential.

I think any team thinking about Bynum would have to be concerned about his injury history especially being fairly young.

BigCatDaddy
06-14-2011, 12:06 PM
Your NBA analysis is second to none.

Odom has sucked everywhere else? Quentin Richardon is a pretty good 2 guard? Is this the freaking twilight zone?

Odom was a really good player for Miami, and was a stat machine with the Clips.

I thought he was referring to Jason Richardson.

BigCatDaddy
06-14-2011, 12:07 PM
I think any team thinking about Bynum would have to be concerned about his injury history especially being fairly young.

This and his knock for being complete dick hurt his trade value quite a bit. His injury issues are only bound to get worse with age.

Bynum has played in 62% of the regular season games the last 4 years. Who is really wanting to pony up for that?

OnTheWarpath58
06-14-2011, 12:10 PM
I was thinking Bynum/Odom/Draft Pick for Howard/Duhon/Richardson.

So basically a first class asshole that can't stay healthy to play 1/2 a season, a 33 year old that has sucked everywhere else and late 1st round draft pick for All Star Center and pretty good 2 guard. I have to imagine they would get a better offer then that.

That would be a butt raping on an epic trade level for the Lakers.

Your NBA analysis is second to none.

Odom has sucked everywhere else? Quentin Richardon is a pretty good 2 guard? Is this the freaking twilight zone?

Odom was a really good player for Miami, and was a stat machine with the Clips.


I thought he was referring to Jason Richardson.

LMAO

BigCatDaddy
06-14-2011, 12:14 PM
LMAO

Hey look it's the draftabulator's personal bitch boy LMAO

OnTheWarpath58
06-14-2011, 12:16 PM
Hey look it's the draftabulator's personal bitch boy LMAO

Wow, another well thought out comeback. That's the best you've got?

Please, tell us more about how Lamar Odom is nothing more than a "33 year old that has sucked everywhere else."

Brock
06-14-2011, 12:18 PM
An Open Letter to LeBron James:

http://withleather.uproxx.com/2011/06/an-open-letter-to-lebron-james/2

BLAM!

DJ's left nut
06-14-2011, 12:20 PM
This and his knock for being complete dick hurt his trade value quite a bit. His injury issues are only bound to get worse with age.

Bynum has played in 62% of the regular season games the last 4 years. Who is really wanting to pony up for that?

I'll bet the outburst didn't hurt his trade value one iota. If anything, it might have helped it a little bit.

NBA personnel guys love their big men to be tough. Look how much of the "Gasol is soft" stuff we hear all the time. They want guys that will go into the interior and punish people underneath.

The problem wasn't the shot he put on Barrea as much as it was the fact that the Lakers got their asses absolutely waxed when he did it. Had he delivered that foul in the middle of a winning effort, it would've been called a dirty foul by the media and a 'playoff foul' by NBA execs.

A guy that size with a willingness to enforce down low is absolutely coveted by NBA execs. If it didn't help his trade value, it certainly didn't hurt it. Oh sure, fans might be turned off by it, but front office types aren't. And the fact that he returned and played the most physical, effective basketball after his injury last season helped him as well.

Bynum's pure trade value, due to his age and the scarcity of his skill set, is as high as its ever been right now and probably somewhere in the top 20 of NBA players.

Again - you're really not very good at this.

-King-
06-14-2011, 12:21 PM
You guys heard about Bynum supposedly being untouchable?

The Bad Guy
06-14-2011, 12:21 PM
Larry Brown's a better coach than Phil Jackson.

LOL LOL LOL

Larry Brown couldn't get a return call from Penn State.

The Bad Guy
06-14-2011, 12:22 PM
You guys heard about Bynum supposedly being untouchable?

Yeah, and I don't buy it.

BigCatDaddy
06-14-2011, 12:22 PM
Wow, another well thought out comeback. That's the best you've got?

Please, tell us more about how Lamar Odom is nothing more than a "33 year old that has sucked everywhere else."

He'll be 32 pretty much at the start of the season.

He shot 43% prior to his LA Days and 49% once he got to LA which is closer to what you would expect a 6'10 player to do.

The Bad Guy
06-14-2011, 12:23 PM
He'll be 32 pretty much at the start of the season.

He shot 43% prior to his LA Days and 49% once he got to LA which is closer to what you would expect a 6'10 player to do.

So you're going to talk aout the shooting percentage and not his rebounding or assist numbers?

Do you watch the NBA? Odom is a guard in a 6'10's players body.

DJ's left nut
06-14-2011, 12:24 PM
You guys heard about Bynum supposedly being untouchable?

He might be, but only because Jim Buss is a moron.

Jim Buss sees Bynum as his great coup. Bynum was the guy he really wanted to grab when Jackson was getting pissy about having to develop a young center. Jim put his foot down, Jerry fell in line and Mitch made the pick. It's really the only personnel move that Jim's really ever claimed ownership of.

With Jerry stepping down as President and/or giving virtually all control of operations to Jim, he sees Brown as his hire and Bynum as his 'star of the future'. These will be his Lakers, not Jerry's (Buss or West) and not even Mitch's.

Jim Buss will be the major impediment to the Lakers winning championships going forward. I could absolutely see him taking Bynum off the table in much the same way that Carl took Larry Johnson off the table.

You're not going to get one of 'his' guys, even if it makes the team a hell of a lot better.

OnTheWarpath58
06-14-2011, 12:25 PM
So you're going to talk aout the shooting percentage and not his rebounding or assist numbers?

Do you watch the NBA? Odom is a guard in a 6'10's players body.

I think DJ covered this already.

Again - you're really not very good at this.

BigCatDaddy
06-14-2011, 12:26 PM
I'll bet the outburst didn't hurt his trade value one iota. If anything, it might have helped it a little bit.

NBA personnel guys love their big men to be tough. Look how much of the "Gasol is soft" stuff we hear all the time. They want guys that will go into the interior and punish people underneath.

The problem wasn't the shot he put on Barrea as much as it was the fact that the Lakers got their asses absolutely waxed when he did it. Had he delivered that foul in the middle of a winning effort, it would've been called a dirty foul by the media and a 'playoff foul' by NBA execs.

A guy that size with a willingness to enforce down low is absolutely coveted by NBA execs. If it didn't help his trade value, it certainly didn't hurt it. Oh sure, fans might be turned off by it, but front office types aren't. And the fact that he returned and played the most physical, effective basketball after his injury last season helped him as well.

Bynum's pure trade value, due to his age and the scarcity of his skill set, is as high as its ever been right now and probably somewhere in the top 20 of NBA players.

Again - you're really not very good at this.

You forgot to address him playing 62% of games. In no way shape or form does that make him near the top 20 players in the league based on trade value on that fact alone. He is what he is and that's about a 50 game a year guy that puts up 13 and 8. That's big upside right there.