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Saccopoo
04-12-2011, 12:55 PM
1. Derek Sherrod, OT; Mississippi State: 6'5", 321 lbs.
- Big, athletic and intelligent. Experienced and played against top pass rushers/ends his entire career. Very intuitive and equally good in both the run and pass. Has all the intangibles and should play at a high level at either tackle spot.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1BhjOtBR41M/TUTAXn1-SUI/AAAAAAAABkI/krKJBTaaQOY/s1600/derek%2Bsherrod.jpg

2. Sam Acho, OLB/DE; Texas: 6'2", 259 lbs.
- An athletic and smart combo end who won nearly every leadership, academic and sportsmanship award there is in 2010 including the Campbell Trophy. Team captain. Had 9 sacks and led the nation with 5 fumble recoveries in 2010. Has very good change of direction as well as a good initial burst and size/strength to drive the point of attack. Has the potential to be a very effective 3-4 LOLB. This guy defines hard work, character and on-the-field production.


http://draftbreakdown.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Sam-Acho.jpg

3. Jerrell Powe, NT; Ole Miss: 6'3", 335 lbs.
- Massive and strong, Powe was a Rebels team captain in 2010. Did not qualify academically his first two years of college because of an undiagnosed dyslexia situation, but he stuck with it and ended up playing all four years. A former high school Army All-American. Much better character and work ethic at the same size than a guy like Phil Taylor.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/1012/nfl-top-defensive-linemen-draft/images/jerrell-powe.017069418.jpg
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/259/047/jerrell_display_image.jpg?1277055188

4. Vincent Brown, WR; San Diego State: 5'11", 187 lbs.
- With long arms and huge hands, Brown plays substantially bigger than his frame suggests. A classic possession type receiver that knows how to get open, make the hard catch and find the end zone. Had 1300+ yards and 10 touchdowns in 2010. Ran a 4.58 40 and posted a 36 inch vertical at his pro day.

http://www.fantasycollegeblitz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Vince-Brown.JPG

5. Zane Taylor, C; Utah: 6'3", 313 lbs.
- First team all-conference as both player and academic. Team captain. Three year starter at center. Very strong (41 reps at 225 at his Pro Day), smart and experienced. Is very effective is standing up even the biggest nose tackles (watch his performance as a sophomore against Terrance Cody in the 2009 Fiesta Bowl - just annihilates the bigger Cody play after play). Excellent work ethic.

http://www.deseretnews.com/photos/midres/3949915.jpg

5. Ricky Stanzi, QB; Iowa: 6'4", 223 lbs.
- After several lackluster years, Stanzi had a very good senior season in 2010 setting a school single season record for passing efficiency. 25 TDs against 6 INTs in 2010 and went 26-9 as a starter. Excellent size and good leadership.

http://theredzonereport.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/ricky_stanzi_iowa_hawkeyes.jpg

6. Darius Morris, OT; Temple: 6'4", 318 lbs.
- First team all-conference after starting all 12 games in 2010 at right tackle for the Owls (started 11 games at RT in 2009).

http://kaufmannsports.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/166667_176996349010517_100001004598908_364431_381962_n.jpg

7. Robert Hughes, RB/FB; Notre Dame: 5'11", 240 lbs.
- Former High School All-American at running back, he has very good hands and elusiveness in the open field. Is also adapt at using his tree stump frame to smash through the line in short yardage situations. Really fits the Haley system in terms of a versatile fullback.

http://www.uhnd.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/robert-hughes-080810-full.jpg

suzzer99
04-12-2011, 02:15 PM
You really should have done this on 4/1 and made the first-rounder something other than an OT.

milkman
04-12-2011, 02:16 PM
I've always wondered why the hell you feel you have to post pictures of every fucker you want to draft?

The pictures don't make you look smarter.

You're still a dumbass.

KCDC
04-12-2011, 04:03 PM
I'd be open to an OL choice in the first round. Sherrod would not be the one I would be looking for. Depends on who is available. But then, I'm not big on taking NTs in the first round (Raji's performance notwithstanding). That leaves WR and OLB. Not sure that I'm wowed by those available at #21. So, as I said, an OL could make sense. I don't have any strong feelings on our first pick that there is one "must have" player.

The rest are not bad. The pictures are fine with me Milkman, as it is better than looking at white space. :)

Bump
04-12-2011, 05:20 PM
I've always wondered why the hell you feel you have to post pictures of every fucker you want to draft?

The pictures don't make you look smarter.

You're still a dumbass.

http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h361/Bump4/gifs/DMpvU.gif

Brock
04-12-2011, 06:30 PM
Well, finally, after several years we're picking at a spot where sac's picks won't look totally retarded.

KurtCobain
04-12-2011, 07:10 PM
I like this draft.

Pestilence
04-13-2011, 09:23 AM
1st - Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin
2nd - Sam Acho, DE/OLB, Texas
3rd - Jerrell Powe, NT, Ole. Miss
4th - Edmund Gates, WR, Abilene Christian
5th - Austin Pettis, WR, Boise State
5th - Brandon Fusco, C, Slippery Rock
6th - T.J. Yates, QB, North Carolina
7th - Robert Hughes, RB, Notre Dame

KurtCobain
04-13-2011, 09:29 AM
1st - Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin
2nd - Sam Acho, DE/OLB, Texas
3rd - Jerrell Powe, NT, Ole. Miss
4th - Edmund Gates, WR, Abilene Christian
5th - Austin Pettis, WR, Boise State
5th - Brandon Fusco, C, Slippery Rock
6th - T.J. Yates, QB, North Carolina
7th - Robert Hughes, RB, Notre Dame

It would be hard to argue about any of the bolded being picked in those slots. Especially if we go OL in the first.

Pestilence
04-13-2011, 09:30 AM
Gates and Pettis are the only ones that might not fall to the rounds I picked them in. Maybe Yates.....

Detoxing
04-13-2011, 10:08 AM
1st - Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin
2nd - Sam Acho, DE/OLB, Texas
3rd - Jerrell Powe, NT, Ole. Miss
4th - Edmund Gates, WR, Abilene Christian
5th - Austin Pettis, WR, Boise State
5th - Brandon Fusco, C, Slippery Rock
6th - T.J. Yates, QB, North Carolina
7th - Robert Hughes, RB, Notre Dame

I like this one a lot better.

Saccopoo
04-14-2011, 12:44 PM
1st - Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin
2nd - Sam Acho, DE/OLB, Texas
3rd - Jerrell Powe, NT, Ole. Miss
4th - Edmund Gates, WR, Abilene Christian
5th - Austin Pettis, WR, Boise State
5th - Brandon Fusco, C, Slippery Rock
6th - T.J. Yates, QB, North Carolina
7th - Robert Hughes, RB, Notre Dame

I'm not sold on Carimi as anything other than a RT at the next level. The guy is a major force in the run, but the games I've seen, he can be beaten around the edge by the better speed rushers. (Watch the Iowa/Wisconsin games - he absolutely abuses Clayborn on the running plays but there are a number of times where Clayborn simply blows by him on pass plays and gets into the backfield.) And while he's athletic for a guy his size, he's not the same type of athlete as Costanzo or Sherrod. At least to me, Sherrod presents the best of all possibilities in terms of plugging a guy into either spot and getting substantially better production than what we have in both the run and pass.

There is no way Pettis last until the fifth round. Hell, if he's there in the fourth, I'd rather have him over the guy I picked in Vincent Brown. (Other than AJ Green, I think Pettis is the best receiver in this draft.) I can't see him lasting beyond the third round, but given the choice between Jerrell Powe and Pettis, I had to go with Powe as you can find quality possession receivers in the draft in any round if you know what you are looking for.

Not a chance that I take a guy from Slippery Rock over Zane Taylor, who's called the line for two BCS bowl games, is a four year first team conference all-academic and a two time all-conference player including a first team all conference selection last year. I think Fusco is more a product of very good coaching than anything else, considering that five Slippery Rock centers have earned first team DII All-American honors since 1997. That's more than just a coincidence at that point.

If Taylor isn't available, I'd take Jake Kirkpatrick or Colin Baxter. Kirkpatrick should be very effective in a zone scheme like Haley runs. However, neither have Taylor's strength (41 reps at 225 at the Utah pro day) and leverage, which will help him be more productive from the get go.

Yates' college career could be defined as "lackluster." Going into his senior season, he was not even guaranteed the starting position even though he was the three year starter. His senior season was good, but nothing insane. More a product of being a four year starter than anything else. Doesn't have very good arm strength and was really supported by an All-Star level defense.

I think if the Chiefs are picking up a QB in the later rounds, they need to look for a guy who is solid starting material that has some potential beyond that. Stanzi, Tolzien of Wisconsin and McElroy of Alabama would be the guys that should be available around there that would fit that profile. Solid QB's that didn't put up huge numbers because of a reliance on a run based offense that do have solid prep pedigrees and did what was asked of them within the confines of their college programs. If they want to go with an athlete and try to groom them into a NFL level guy, Adam Weber of Minnesota or Tyrod Taylor of Virginia Tech wouldn't be a bad way to go. (Taylor might be the next Brad Smith, but Weber, with some good coaching, has a chance to be a real QB at the next level. He's shown he can light guys up through the air and has really good athleticism to boot.) Josh Portis might have been the next Cam Newton if he had one more year of eligibility, but he might be worth a look as well.

However, I think that Stanzi and Tolzien are the best of the "true" QB's that will be available at that point in the draft. Both had successful careers and a lot of wins in a solid conference and worked out of pro style sets. I guess it just depends on where you think they go with Cassel, what you think of Croyle as the #2 and if one of these guys has the chance to be that proverbial diamond in the rough like Hasselbeck or Brady.

BossChief
04-14-2011, 01:25 PM
You're ****ing delusional if you think Clayborn got abused by him in that game apart from the first few plays. Carimi came out hot to trot, but got beat up repeatedly by Clayborn most of the afternoon.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=zin3JvllXm0.

Iirc, they had like a 3 yard average per rush if you take out the special teams plays in that game.

Dave Lane
04-14-2011, 01:31 PM
I like Stanzi in there don't think he will be around in the 5th round. If he is we stole him.

Fritz88
04-14-2011, 05:20 PM
We will not draft a QB. Maybe on the 7th but not before that.

BossChief
04-14-2011, 05:45 PM
We will not draft a QB. Maybe on the 7th but not before that.

The patriots already had Brady and Cassel and spent a third on Kevin Oconnell.

DeezNutz
04-14-2011, 06:04 PM
The patriots already had Brady and Cassel and spent a third on Kevin Oconnell.

Clearly, they didn't believe in Brady because there's no way they were drafting over the top of Cassel.

Mr. Laz
04-14-2011, 07:10 PM
1. Derek Sherrod, OT; Mississippi State: 6'5", 321 lbs.
- Big, athletic and intelligent. Experienced and played against top pass rushers/ends his entire career. Very intuitive and equally good in both the run and pass. Has all the intangibles and should play at a high level at either tackle spot.

2. Sam Acho, OLB/DE; Texas: 6'2", 259 lbs.
- An athletic and smart combo end who won nearly every leadership, academic and sportsmanship award there is in 2010 including the Campbell Trophy. Team captain. Had 9 sacks and led the nation with 5 fumble recoveries in 2010. Has very good change of direction as well as a good initial burst and size/strength to drive the point of attack. Has the potential to be a very effective 3-4 LOLB. This guy defines hard work, character and on-the-field production.

3. Jerrell Powe, NT; Ole Miss: 6'3", 335 lbs.
- Massive and strong, Powe was a Rebels team captain in 2010. Did not qualify academically his first two years of college because of an undiagnosed dyslexia situation, but he stuck with it and ended up playing all four years. A former high school Army All-American. Much better character and work ethic at the same size than a guy like Phil Taylor.

4. Vincent Brown, WR; San Diego State: 5'11", 187 lbs.
- With long arms and huge hands, Brown plays substantially bigger than his frame suggests. A classic possession type receiver that knows how to get open, make the hard catch and find the end zone. Had 1300+ yards and 10 touchdowns in 2010. Ran a 4.58 40 and posted a 36 inch vertical at his pro day.

5. Zane Taylor, C; Utah: 6'3", 313 lbs.
- First team all-conference as both player and academic. Team captain. Three year starter at center. Very strong (41 reps at 225 at his Pro Day), smart and experienced. Is very effective is standing up even the biggest nose tackles (watch his performance as a sophomore against Terrance Cody in the 2009 Fiesta Bowl - just annihilates the bigger Cody play after play). Excellent work ethic.

5. Ricky Stanzi, QB; Iowa: 6'4", 223 lbs.
- After several lackluster years, Stanzi had a very good senior season in 2010 setting a school single season record for passing efficiency. 25 TDs against 6 INTs in 2010 and went 26-9 as a starter. Excellent size and good leadership.

6. Darius Morris, OT; Temple: 6'4", 318 lbs.
- First team all-conference after starting all 12 games in 2010 at right tackle for the Owls (started 11 games at RT in 2009).

7. Robert Hughes, RB/FB; Notre Dame: 5'11", 240 lbs.
- Former High School All-American at running back, he has very good hands and elusiveness in the open field. Is also adapt at using his tree stump frame to smash through the line in short yardage situations. Really fits the Haley system in terms of a versatile fullback.


not bad, although 1st and 4th round picks i think we could do better even staying at the same positions.

BossChief
04-14-2011, 08:47 PM
Clearly, they didn't believe in Brady because there's no way they were drafting over the top of Cassel.


the main point is that Pioli/BB valued the backup quarterback position at the level of a 3rd round pick at the time (even having a multiple superbowl winning player under long term contract) and I doubt that has changed after what Cassel has done thus far with KC.

If we are trying to assess possible value for the position, that's likely it.

Tribal Warfare
04-14-2011, 11:35 PM
I've said this before, I believe KC's s"surprise" pick could be Stephen Paea. He has everything Pioli wants. IMO, he's not necessarily small because he is as wide as he is tall ( 6'1" 311 lbs) with his strength he'll never lose the leverage battle.

Reaper16
04-15-2011, 12:00 AM
I think if the Chiefs are picking up a QB in the later rounds, they need to look for a guy who is solid starting material that has some potential beyond that. Stanzi, Tolzien of Wisconsin and McElroy of Alabama would be the guys that should be available around there that would fit that profile. Solid QB's that didn't put up huge numbers because of a reliance on a run based offense that do have solid prep pedigrees and did what was asked of them within the confines of their college programs. If they want to go with an athlete and try to groom them into a NFL level guy, Adam Weber of Minnesota or Tyrod Taylor of Virginia Tech wouldn't be a bad way to go. (Taylor might be the next Brad Smith, but Weber, with some good coaching, has a chance to be a real QB at the next level. He's shown he can light guys up through the air and has really good athleticism to boot.) Josh Portis might have been the next Cam Newton if he had one more year of eligibility, but he might be worth a look as well.

Having seen a lot of McElroy and Josh Portis, I can safely predict that McElroy is not NFL staring material and Portis won't be an NFL QB at all.

Saccopoo
04-15-2011, 12:58 AM
not bad, although 1st and 4th round picks i think we could do better even staying at the same positions.

I don't know...Sherrod is pretty impressive. Keeps his center, moves his feet extremely well and keeps his guy in front of him. He's got the strength to hold up the initial defender and pop him back plus the athleticism to pick up a secondary defender if he has to. Pretty solid player.

I really wouldn't mind Sherrod, Costanzo or Carimi with that pick (listed in order of personal preference). I think that any of those three would represent a high value pick at the 21st spot. I'm not as high on Solder or Smith.

And Vincent Brown can play. Great hands. Has an excellent vertical (36") and enormous hands (10 1/4") with long arms (33").

On Brown's Pro Day:
Brown ran improved times of 4.504 and 4.53 Thursday afternoon. He caught everything thrown to him. He showed burst on overthrown balls and adjusted well on the fly. No one carrying a clipboard or stopwatch seemed worried. "He looked great," said one NFC scout. "Good hands. Explosive. He's going to be fine."

NFL Scouting Report:
After a monster senior season, Brown appears to be a sleeper in this year's draft. He is a bit undersized, but fights off the press effectively and has a knack for getting open in both man and zone coverage. He has adequate speed and a bit of a wiggle to make people miss in the open field. His greatest asset is his competiveness, as he plays angry and willingly sacrifices his body to make catches and is a great run blocker. Overall, Brown's physical attributes are less than ideal, but he is tough football player that could sneak into Day 2.

MahiMike
04-15-2011, 10:59 AM
Very nice job. I like how you're thinking like our GM. We'll have to start calling you SaccaPioli.

Saccopoo
04-17-2011, 02:15 PM
Pro Day updates on my boys:

Zane Taylor:
When four offensive line coaches, all known for their abilities in that capacity, all converge on a Pro Day for a guy named Zane Taylor in Utah, who as of two days ago was considered a seventh rounder … then something’s up. Especially when that guy blows his Combine bench press number out of the water.

All the attention though was considered a good thing as the general thought of the day was Taylor continues to improve his stock.

He had 41 reps on the bench press (225 pounds), an improvement from the 33 he made at the combine. Anything above 30 is considered very good.

Bill Callahan, the former Oakland Raiders coach who is an assistant now with the New York Jets, was among the coaches getting an eyeful of Taylor

Aaron Wilson even writes that he worked out for those guys for a good long time.

Per our source, Taylor excelled in an intense positional drill session that went on for an hour.

This is interesting to me. The fact that he was flagged for such a late pick, coupled with his performances, and the attention of guys like Tom Cable, Dante Scarnecchia, and Bill Callahan would all be there tells us something there that they feel like they can work with. Looks like this could be a guy some teams hoped to scoop up late … but looks like there might be a little race to get him in the draft.

Saccopoo
04-17-2011, 02:17 PM
Jerrell Powe:
Mississippi DT Jerrell Powe decided to conduct almost a complete workout at the school’s pro day held Tuesday, and it just might have paid off for him.

With representatives from 18 teams present, Powe (6-foot-2, 329 pounds), who was at the NFL Scouting Combine last month, ran 5.29 and 5.36 seconds in the 40-yard dash, had a 24 ˝-inch vertical jump, a 7-foot, 10-inch broad jump and ran a 4.96 short shuttle. He stood on his 3-cone drill time and bench-press lifts from the Combine.

Powe’s workout was pretty solid, probably a bit better than his performance at the Combine, which could go a long way for his hopes of being drafted.

Coogs
04-17-2011, 03:57 PM
Mississippi DT Jerrell Powe decided to conduct almost a complete workout at the school’s pro day held Tuesday, and it just might have paid off for him.

With representatives from 18 teams present, Powe (6-foot-2, 329 pounds), who was at the NFL Scouting Combine last month, ran 5.29 and 5.36 seconds in the 40-yard dash, had a 24 ˝-inch vertical jump, a 7-foot, 10-inch broad jump and ran a 4.96 short shuttle. He stood on his 3-cone drill time and bench-press lifts from the Combine.

Powe’s workout was pretty solid, probably a bit better than his performance at the Combine, which could go a long way for his hopes of being drafted.

That last part of your post is pretty interesting. There is a thread somewhere here that has Powe listed as a 7th round draft pick. This sort of confirms that.

DaKCMan AP
04-18-2011, 09:51 AM
I think if the Chiefs are picking up a QB in the later rounds, they need to look for a guy who is solid starting material that has some potential beyond that. Stanzi, Tolzien of Wisconsin and McElroy of Alabama would be the guys that should be available around there that would fit that profile. Solid QB's that didn't put up huge numbers because of a reliance on a run based offense that do have solid prep pedigrees and did what was asked of them within the confines of their college programs. If they want to go with an athlete and try to groom them into a NFL level guy, Adam Weber of Minnesota or Tyrod Taylor of Virginia Tech wouldn't be a bad way to go. (Taylor might be the next Brad Smith, but Weber, with some good coaching, has a chance to be a real QB at the next level. He's shown he can light guys up through the air and has really good athleticism to boot.) Josh Portis might have been the next Cam Newton if he had one more year of eligibility, but he might be worth a look as well.


McElroy is trash and just because Portis is black and transferred from Florida doesn't mean he'd have been Cam Newton. He sucks and is a thug. Awful analysis.

Saccopoo
04-18-2011, 12:27 PM
McElroy is trash and just because Portis is black and transferred from Florida doesn't mean he'd have been Cam Newton. He sucks and is a thug. Awful analysis.

Like Newton, Portis was a highly sought after prep quarterback that originally started at Florida, struggled with some cheating issues at school (Maryland), then transferred to a small college where he put up ridiculous numbers. His college situation damn near mirrors Cam other than getting back into D1 (which is why I said if he had another year of eligibility he might have done what Newton did in having success at the D1 level). I don't see how that's an "awful analysis."

Reaper16
04-18-2011, 07:05 PM
Like Newton, Portis was a highly sought after prep quarterback that originally started at Florida, struggled with some cheating issues at school (Maryland), then transferred to a small college where he put up ridiculous numbers. His college situation damn near mirrors Cam other than getting back into D1 (which is why I said if he had another year of eligibility he might have done what Newton did in having success at the D1 level). I don't see how that's an "awful analysis."
How many California (PA) games from last season have you watched? I've watched six. Portis is not an NFL QB.

MahiMike
04-19-2011, 08:44 AM
I like Stanzi.

DaKCMan AP
04-20-2011, 12:35 PM
Like Newton, Portis was a highly sought after prep quarterback that originally started at Florida, struggled with some cheating issues at school (Maryland), then transferred to a small college where he put up ridiculous numbers. His college situation damn near mirrors Cam other than getting back into D1 (which is why I said if he had another year of eligibility he might have done what Newton did in having success at the D1 level). I don't see how that's an "awful analysis."

How wrong you are. Very wrong. The similarities end at both transferring from Florida,

Size - Cam is a much bigger physical presence at 6'5" 248lbs compared to Portis 6'3" 210lb frame.

Cam has a stronger arm, is more accurate, had a higher QB efficiency rating against far superior competition, and won championships at both the D-I and D-II levels.

To assert that Portis might have been the next Cam if he had another year of eligibility is a joke. Portis doesn't possess the talent Cam has and Cam did it all as a junior, not as a 6th year senior that Portis would be with another year.

ChiefsCountry
04-20-2011, 02:40 PM
How wrong you are. Very wrong.

That is pretty much spot on with all of Sac's draft anaylsis.

Reaper16
04-20-2011, 10:15 PM
How wrong you are. Very wrong. The similarities end at both transferring from Florida,

Size - Cam is a much bigger physical presence at 6'5" 248lbs compared to Portis 6'3" 210lb frame.

Cam has a stronger arm, is more accurate, had a higher QB efficiency rating against far superior competition, and won championships at both the D-I and D-II levels.

To assert that Portis might have been the next Cam if he had another year of eligibility is a joke. Portis doesn't possess the talent Cam has and Cam did it all as a junior, not as a 6th year senior that Portis would be with another year.
You are right about everything but Cam winning a championship at the NCAA D-II level. Cam played at the NJCAA level. Those are very, very, very different things.

DaKCMan AP
04-21-2011, 09:13 AM
You are right about everything but Cam winning a championship at the NCAA D-II level. Cam played at the NJCAA level. Those are very, very, very different things.

You are correct.

Pasta Giant Meatball
04-21-2011, 03:51 PM
That is pretty much spot on with all of Sac's draft anaylsis.

He has the worst takes I've ever seen. Wanting Okung over Berry ROFL

Bewbies
04-21-2011, 04:00 PM
He has the worst takes I've ever seen. Wanting Okung over Berry ROFL

Okung is a once in a generation LT, which is more important than a run of the mill SS.

Saccopoo
04-22-2011, 02:16 AM
How wrong you are. Very wrong. The similarities end at both transferring from Florida,

Size - Cam is a much bigger physical presence at 6'5" 248lbs compared to Portis 6'3" 210lb frame.

Cam has a stronger arm, is more accurate, had a higher QB efficiency rating against far superior competition, and won championships at both the D-I and D-II levels.

To assert that Portis might have been the next Cam if he had another year of eligibility is a joke. Portis doesn't possess the talent Cam has and Cam did it all as a junior, not as a 6th year senior that Portis would be with another year.

Holy shit.

Get your panties in a knot over minutia in a comparison between two fucking guys who started their careers at Florida as highly touted prep quarterbacks, who left the program amidst scholastic controversy and who went on to amass huge numbers against shitty DII/Juco competition!!!! What a stretch of a comparison!!!

Oh noes! One guy is 6'5", the other guy is 6'2"!!!!! One guy is a little more accurate than the other!!!! One guy had a higher completion rather versus the other!!!! They are nothing alike!!!!

Fucking idiot.

I'm sorry if you got your tampon string wound in the wrong direction Mr. Cecil Newton. I never meant to say that Portis was exactly like your son. I simply inferred that if Portis had another year of eligibility that he might have made an impact at the D1 level. God forbid that I besmirched you son's name and lowered him to Portis' level.

You must come completely unglued when someone mentions that a porpoise and a dolphin are somewhat alike. Or if someone says magenta is a more of a shade of red then a shade of purple.

How does life live on a completely literal level?

Saccopoo
04-22-2011, 02:23 AM
He has the worst takes I've ever seen. Wanting Okung over Berry ROFL

Yeah, wanting a competent left tackle over a safety is a real stretch.

How many safeties have gone top five versus left tackles? Shit, how about just the first round? All of those "real" NFL GM's must have some real bad "takes" too, eh? ("Takes." Learned all you know of sports from the Jim Rome program? It all makes sense now.)

But yet, I respect you, because you've always put your views out there for critique. Laid it on the line, so to speak.

BossChief
04-22-2011, 09:54 AM
Comical

Pasta Giant Meatball
04-22-2011, 11:37 AM
Yeah, wanting a competent left tackle over a safety is a real stretch.

How many safeties have gone top five versus left tackles? Shit, how about just the first round? All of those "real" NFL GM's must have some real bad "takes" too, eh? ("Takes." Learned all you know of sports from the Jim Rome program? It all makes sense now.)

But yet, I respect you, because you've always put your views out there for critique. Laid it on the line, so to speak.

Yeah, taking a perennial All-Pro candidate at Safety was a reeeeealllll dumb decision. If only they had selected that league average LT from OSU.

My takes are out there, but I'm not much of a "draturbater". I don't make my own homemade bigboards and act like a toddler when they don't take my "guys".

Saccopoo
04-22-2011, 01:08 PM
Yeah, taking a perennial All-Pro candidate at Safety was a reeeeealllll dumb decision. If only they had selected that league average LT from OSU.

Did anyone say it was dumb? Don't be such a moron. (Sorry, you are probably a moron resulting from genetical deficiencies and you can't do anything about it other than just be a moron and it's mean to make fun of someone who is like that and can't do anything about it. If your mom drank a shit ton while she is pregnant, the results can hardly be considered your fault. You may just want to limit your participation in discussions and the like so your genetic predisposition towards stupidity doesn't show itself too much.)

The Berry pick was a good pick considering the Chiefs lack of depth and production from the position in 2009. However, safeties are usually considered support players and deemed to be not as high on the positional value scale as left tackles.

However, while Berry quickly established himself as a very good run defender, his pass defense is not good and he was responsible for giving up a number of touchdowns last season.

My takes are out there, but I'm not much of a "draturbater". I don't make my own homemade bigboards and act like a toddler when they don't take my "guys".

Put up or shut up. If you are going to criticize someone about their picks, then you should have the balls to make yours known. Otherwise, you come off as a disingenuous cocksucker. And maybe that's just what you are. :shrug:

milkman
04-22-2011, 01:17 PM
The Berry pick was a good pick considering the Chiefs lack of depth and production from the position in 2009. However, safeties are usually considered support players and deemed to be not as high on the positional value scale as left tackles.

However, while Berry quickly established himself as a very good run defender, his pass defense is not good and he was responsible for giving up a number of touchdowns last season.

In case you haven't noticed (Wait, what do I mean "In case"?), the NFL has gone through some dramatic changes in the last few years.

The old values no longer apply to the safety position, with offenses evolving and the rules changes that give the passing game a huge advantage over defense.

Also, the other thing you clearly failed to notice is that Berry's coverage improved by leaps and bounds from game 1 to game 16.

KCrockaholic
04-22-2011, 01:32 PM
In case you haven't noticed (Wait, what do I mean "In case"?), the NFL has gone through some dramatic changes in the last few years.

The old values no longer apply to the safety position, with offenses evolving and the rules changes that give the passing game a huge advantage over defense.

Also, the other thing you clearly failed to notice is that Berry's coverage improved by leaps and bounds from game 1 to game 16.

Pretty much this. But Sac doesn't understand this concept.

Saccopoo
04-22-2011, 02:14 PM
In case you haven't noticed (Wait, what do I mean "In case"?), the NFL has gone through some dramatic changes in the last few years.

The old values no longer apply to the safety position, with offenses evolving and the rules changes that give the passing game a huge advantage over defense.

I noticed. It began in 2004 with a rule change and greater emphasis on pass interference rule enforcement that favored the offense.

However, there is no way that a safety is more relevant than an offensive tackle in terms of positional value.

Also, the other thing you clearly failed to notice is that Berry's coverage improved by leaps and bounds from game 1 to game 16.

It was better, but still flawed. He even got burned in the Pro Bowl on pass coverage and gave up one to Gonzalez.

And I'm not saying it was a bad pick by any stretch. The Chiefs needed a safety (two) and got good ones in Berry and Lewis.

However, I would have rather have had Okung or Bulaga in the first and then use one of the second rounders we had last year on Nate Allen or TJ Ward rather than McCluster.

But Berry is a good guy and a solid player. And while I would have done it different, it was a good pick for the team.

Detoxing
04-22-2011, 02:29 PM
I noticed. It began in 2004 with a rule change and greater emphasis on pass interference rule enforcement that favored the offense.

However, there is no way that a safety is more relevant than an offensive tackle in terms of positional value.



It was better, but still flawed. He even got burned in the Pro Bowl on pass coverage and gave up one to Gonzalez.

And I'm not saying it was a bad pick by any stretch. The Chiefs needed a safety (two) and got good ones in Berry and Lewis.

However, I would have rather have had Okung or Bulaga in the first and then use one of the second rounders we had last year on Nate Allen or TJ Ward rather than McCluster.

But Berry is a good guy and a solid player. And while I would have done it different, it was a good pick for the team.

Did you just say you'd rather have Bulaga over Berry? Really? Nah....Ima just pretend you didn't say that.

You didn't say that. LALALALALA

BossChief
04-22-2011, 02:51 PM
Sac would draft John Tait over Ed Reed...what's the point discussing anything with someone possessing such a hard core misunderstanding of the big picture?

Pasta Giant Meatball
04-22-2011, 03:18 PM
Did anyone say it was dumb? Don't be such a moron. (Sorry, you are probably a moron resulting from genetical deficiencies and you can't do anything about it other than just be a moron and it's mean to make fun of someone who is like that and can't do anything about it. If your mom drank a shit ton while she is pregnant, the results can hardly be considered your fault. You may just want to limit your participation in discussions and the like so your genetic predisposition towards stupidity doesn't show itself too much.)

The Berry pick was a good pick considering the Chiefs lack of depth and production from the position in 2009. However, safeties are usually considered support players and deemed to be not as high on the positional value scale as left tackles.

However, while Berry quickly established himself as a very good run defender, his pass defense is not good and he was responsible for giving up a number of touchdowns last season.



Put up or shut up. If you are going to criticize someone about their picks, then you should have the balls to make yours known. Otherwise, you come off as a disingenuous cocksucker. And maybe that's just what you are. :shrug:


I've supported Hali when many called him a 3rd end. Liked the McCluster, Moeaki, and Lewis picks when many didn't. Was against the T-Jack and Cassel moves like pretty much everyone else. I state my opinion, I'm just not a "bater". I'm not going to make a list of a bunch of dudes I've never watched more than a handfull of games on and pretend I'm an expert because I watch youtube highlight reels.

When someone says stupid crap like Bulaga and Opoooung over Berry and 15 TE's better than Moeaki, I'll be there to call them out on it.

milkman
04-22-2011, 05:43 PM
I noticed. It began in 2004 with a rule change and greater emphasis on pass interference rule enforcement that favored the offense.

However, there is no way that a safety is more relevant than an offensive tackle in terms of positional value.



It was better, but still flawed. He even got burned in the Pro Bowl on pass coverage and gave up one to Gonzalez.

And I'm not saying it was a bad pick by any stretch. The Chiefs needed a safety (two) and got good ones in Berry and Lewis.

However, I would have rather have had Okung or Bulaga in the first and then use one of the second rounders we had last year on Nate Allen or TJ Ward rather than McCluster.

But Berry is a good guy and a solid player. And while I would have done it different, it was a good pick for the team.

We've had this discussion a hundred times.

Okung is not now, nor has he ever been, as good as you think he is.

Berry is going to be a top 3-top 5 safety, and will have a bigger impact on the defense than Okung on offense.

And Buluaga?

Holy shit.

You're a bigger idiot than I already imagined.

the Talking Can
04-22-2011, 06:13 PM
Berry's pass defense got better all year...picking on him because got torched by some all stars in his first few games is dumb

his run defense is already incredible

the way he played against baltimore was flat out amazing for a rookie...he was one of the two or three best players on our team

he had one of the best rookie seasons ever for a safety

and neither Bulaga (jesus face palm christ) or Okung can sniff his jock

what kind of flaming dumbass would draft a john tait over a Troy Polamalu?

answer: saccofbats

DeezNutz
04-22-2011, 06:21 PM
Berry's pass defense got better all year...picking on him because got torched by some all stars in his first few games is dumb


All sorts of posters on this board were killing Carr in '10, particularly during and after the Denver game when Mike Touchdown Brown ****ing shit himself, thus by extension soiling half the team.

Therefore, I'm not surprised to see people "concerned" about Berry, who will no doubt be a future Pro-Bowler, and likely an All-Pro.

BossChief
04-22-2011, 07:34 PM
All sorts of posters on this board were killing Carr in '10, particularly during and after the Denver game when Mike Touchdown Brown ****ing shit himself, thus by extension soiling half the team.

Therefore, I'm not surprised to see people "concerned" about Berry, who will no doubt be a future Pro-Bowler, and likely an All-Pro.

He already started in the pro bowl (after everything was said and done)

Welcome to the future!!!

JASONSAUTO
04-22-2011, 08:20 PM
I noticed. It began in 2004 with a rule change and greater emphasis on pass interference rule enforcement that favored the offense.

However, there is no way that a safety is more relevant than an offensive tackle in terms of positional value.



It was better, but still flawed. He even got burned in the Pro Bowl on pass coverage and gave up one to Gonzalez.

And I'm not saying it was a bad pick by any stretch. The Chiefs needed a safety (two) and got good ones in Berry and Lewis.

However, I would have rather have had Okung or Bulaga in the first and then use one of the second rounders we had last year on Nate Allen or TJ Ward rather than McCluster.

But Berry is a good guy and a solid player. And while I would have done it different, it was a good pick for the team.
Did you say pro bowl?
And t.g.?

Gonzo pushed off.
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DeezNutz
04-22-2011, 08:26 PM
He already started in the pro bowl (after everything was said and done)

Welcome to the future!!!

Thanks. LMAO. Admittedly, I had forgotten about his Pro-Bowl appearance. In my defense, I seem to vaguely remember Cassel going, too. :harumph:

Saccopoo
04-23-2011, 02:00 AM
We've had this discussion a hundred times.

Okung is not now, nor has he ever been, as good as you think he is.

Berry is going to be a top 3-top 5 safety, and will have a bigger impact on the defense than Okung on offense.

And Buluaga?

Holy shit.

You're a bigger idiot than I already imagined.

I'm seriously questioning your ability to imagine anything. I don't think you have a creative, figurative bone in your body.

And, like I said, I would rather have Allen or Ward in the second along with Okung or Bulaga than Berry and McCluster (to go along with the stellar Chiefs OT duo of Albert and Richardson).

TJ Ward:
123 Tackles
2 Ints
10 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fum.

Nate Allen:
48 tackles
2 Sacks
3 Ints
8 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fumbles

Eric Berry:
92 Tackles
2 Sacks
4 Ints
9 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fum.

And you can add Earl Thomas to that list of rookie safeties that had very good years:

Earl Thomas
76 Tackles
5 Ints
7 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fum.

,,,and next year, Morgan Burnett and Chad Jones, who had injuries their rookie years and didn't play, but should be contributors next season. And then you can add Taylor Mays as well.

Berry is going to have to work his ass off to be considered a top three safety in just his draft class, let alone a top three NFL safety.

So, yeah, I'd much rather have a competent offensive tackle along with a safety that mirrored Berry's production than Berry and McCluster (which means that Richardson and Albert are still our kick ass OT's).

Reaper16
04-23-2011, 02:35 AM
I wish that Saccopoo weren't so Goddamned stupid. He has the makings of a good poster but he can't quite put it together. I mean, HOLY SHIT is his last post in this thread a crock of shit.

Saccopoo
04-23-2011, 03:09 AM
I wish that Saccopoo weren't so Goddamned stupid. He has the makings of a good poster but he can't quite put it together. I mean, HOLY SHIT is his last post in this thread a crock of shit.

Man, I know what you mean. Anyone who would question the Berry pick has got to be a complete idiot.

Okung/Bulaga and TJ Ward/Nate Allen

versus

Berry and McCluster?

That's crazy talk.

Especially considering that we still have Richardson and Albert as our starting tackles.

Awesome.

the Talking Can
04-23-2011, 03:18 AM
I'm seriously questioning your ability to imagine anything. I don't think you have a creative, figurative bone in your body.

And, like I said, I would rather have Allen or Ward in the second along with Okung or Bulaga than Berry and McCluster (to go along with the stellar Chiefs OT duo of Albert and Richardson).

TJ Ward:
123 Tackles
2 Ints
10 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fum.

Nate Allen:
48 tackles
2 Sacks
3 Ints
8 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fumbles

Eric Berry:
92 Tackles
2 Sacks
4 Ints
9 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fum.

And you can add Earl Thomas to that list of rookie safeties that had very good years:

Earl Thomas
76 Tackles
5 Ints
7 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fum.

,,,and next year, Morgan Burnett and Chad Jones, who had injuries their rookie years and didn't play, but should be contributors next season. And then you can add Taylor Mays as well.

Berry is going to have to work his ass off to be considered a top three safety in just his draft class, let alone a top three NFL safety.

So, yeah, I'd much rather have a competent offensive tackle along with a safety that mirrored Berry's production than Berry and McCluster (which means that Richardson and Albert are still our kick ass OT's).

unbelievable....you are one dumb piece of shit


i'm now convinced you don't even watch football games

ChiefsCountry
04-23-2011, 09:26 AM
unbelievable....you are one dumb piece of shit


i'm now convinced you don't even watch football games

He is a complete fucktard. And throwing McMidget in the post as well as validation that we should have drafted Okung is even more stupid.

DaKCMan AP
04-23-2011, 10:10 AM
Holy shit.

Get your panties in a knot over minutia in a comparison between two fucking guys who started their careers at Florida as highly touted prep quarterbacks, who left the program amidst scholastic controversy and who went on to amass huge numbers against shitty DII/Juco competition!!!! What a stretch of a comparison!!!

Oh noes! One guy is 6'5", the other guy is 6'2"!!!!! One guy is a little more accurate than the other!!!! One guy had a higher completion rather versus the other!!!! They are nothing alike!!!!

Fucking idiot.

I'm sorry if you got your tampon string wound in the wrong direction Mr. Cecil Newton. I never meant to say that Portis was exactly like your son. I simply inferred that if Portis had another year of eligibility that he might have made an impact at the D1 level. God forbid that I besmirched you son's name and lowered him to Portis' level.

You must come completely unglued when someone mentions that a porpoise and a dolphin are somewhat alike. Or if someone says magenta is a more of a shade of red then a shade of purple.

How does life live on a completely literal level?

LMAO


One is potentially the #1 overall pick while the other likely will go undrafted, so they're pretty similar I guess.

:spock:

Pasta Giant Meatball
04-23-2011, 11:10 AM
unbelievable....you are one dumb piece of shit


i'm now convinced you don't even watch football games

There is no way he does. Here are some "stats" from a safety that had one of the worst seasons I've ever seen. Mike Brown during his one year in KC had...

103 Tackles
2 Sacks
3 INTs

Sac was probably like "hell yeah, we got ourselves a kickass safety". "Look at those numbers!!!"

Brock
04-23-2011, 11:45 AM
Man, I know what you mean. Anyone who would question the Berry pick has got to be a complete idiot.

Okung/Bulaga and TJ Ward/Nate Allen

versus

Berry and McCluster?

That's crazy talk.

Especially considering that we still have Richardson and Albert as our starting tackles.

Awesome.

The fact you have to throw McCluster into the mix pretty much destroys any worthwhile point you had to make.

Bowser
04-23-2011, 11:51 AM
I'm seriously questioning your ability to imagine anything. I don't think you have a creative, figurative bone in your body.

And, like I said, I would rather have Allen or Ward in the second along with Okung or Bulaga than Berry and McCluster (to go along with the stellar Chiefs OT duo of Albert and Richardson).

TJ Ward:
123 Tackles
2 Ints
10 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fum.

Nate Allen:
48 tackles
2 Sacks
3 Ints
8 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fumbles

Eric Berry:
92 Tackles
2 Sacks
4 Ints
9 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fum.

And you can add Earl Thomas to that list of rookie safeties that had very good years:

Earl Thomas
76 Tackles
5 Ints
7 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fum.

,,,and next year, Morgan Burnett and Chad Jones, who had injuries their rookie years and didn't play, but should be contributors next season. And then you can add Taylor Mays as well.

Berry is going to have to work his ass off to be considered a top three safety in just his draft class, let alone a top three NFL safety.

So, yeah, I'd much rather have a competent offensive tackle along with a safety that mirrored Berry's production than Berry and McCluster (which means that Richardson and Albert are still our kick ass OT's).

Seriously. Stop. This has turned into some kind of butthurt crusade on your part to try and convince anyone that Okung would have been a better pick for us than Berry. He wouldn't have been. I'll gladly keep a Branden Albert if it means replacing a Mike Brown with an Eric Berry. For fuck's sake, man.

Saccopoo
04-23-2011, 12:03 PM
There is no way he does. Here are some "stats" from a safety that had one of the worst seasons I've ever seen. Mike Brown during his one year in KC had...

103 Tackles
2 Sacks
3 INTs

Sac was probably like "hell yeah, we got ourselves a kickass safety". "Look at those numbers!!!"

That's my point with Berry. Everyone looks at his numbers and assumes he kicked the shit out of things. However, the guy actually lost games for the team because of his atrocious pass defense. Mike Brown got destroyed on this board for doing the exact same thing, but because Berry is a Chiefs first rounder that the majority wanted, he can **** up all he wants and the apology squad will rush to defend him.

Same thing with Albert and Dorsey. Their production is, quite literally, horrible, but because no one wants to spend another first round pick to fix the hole at LT, he gets the kid glove treatment around here. Dorsey was supposed to be the best player in the draft, but somehow the Chiefs stole him at #5. In three years of starting he has four sacks total. Awesome, but some people think he's the lynchpin of the defense.

Then you got guys like Hali, who wasn't a flashy, sexy pick but people still want to draft a pass rusher over him. Wiegmann was our best offensive lineman last year, but he's the guy everyone is clamoring to replace, not the freaking tragedies at tackle.

However, seeing as the vast majority of people around here wanted Jimmy Clausen and Mark Sanchez, who are, along with Derek Anderson, two of the three worst performing quarterbacks statistically in the entire NFL, I'm not overly surprised on their analytical football observational acumen.

ChiefsCountry
04-23-2011, 12:35 PM
That's my point with Berry. Everyone looks at his numbers and assumes he kicked the shit out of things. However, the guy actually lost games for the team because of his atrocious pass defense. Mike Brown got destroyed on this board for doing the exact same thing, but because Berry is a Chiefs first rounder that the majority wanted, he can **** up all he wants and the apology squad will rush to defend him.

Same thing with Albert and Dorsey. Their production is, quite literally, horrible, but because no one wants to spend another first round pick to fix the hole at LT, he gets the kid glove treatment around here. Dorsey was supposed to be the best player in the draft, but somehow the Chiefs stole him at #5. In three years of starting he has four sacks total. Awesome, but some people think he's the lynchpin of the defense.

Then you got guys like Hali, who wasn't a flashy, sexy pick but people still want to draft a pass rusher over him. Wiegmann was our best offensive lineman last year, but he's the guy everyone is clamoring to replace, not the freaking tragedies at tackle.

However, seeing as the vast majority of people around here wanted Jimmy Clausen and Mark Sanchez, who are, along with Derek Anderson, two of the three worst performing quarterbacks statistically in the entire NFL, I'm not overly surprised on their analytical football observational acumen.

You should really quit posting, you make yourself look like a bigger fucking idiot everytime you post.

the Talking Can
04-23-2011, 01:10 PM
That's my point with Berry. Everyone looks at his numbers and assumes he kicked the shit out of things. However, the guy actually lost games for the team because of his atrocious pass defense. Mike Brown got destroyed on this board for doing the exact same thing, but because Berry is a Chiefs first rounder that the majority wanted, he can **** up all he wants and the apology squad will rush to defend him.

Same thing with Albert and Dorsey. Their production is, quite literally, horrible, but because no one wants to spend another first round pick to fix the hole at LT, he gets the kid glove treatment around here. Dorsey was supposed to be the best player in the draft, but somehow the Chiefs stole him at #5. In three years of starting he has four sacks total. Awesome, but some people think he's the lynchpin of the defense.

Then you got guys like Hali, who wasn't a flashy, sexy pick but people still want to draft a pass rusher over him. Wiegmann was our best offensive lineman last year, but he's the guy everyone is clamoring to replace, not the freaking tragedies at tackle.

However, seeing as the vast majority of people around here wanted Jimmy Clausen and Mark Sanchez, who are, along with Derek Anderson, two of the three worst performing quarterbacks statistically in the entire NFL, I'm not overly surprised on their analytical football observational acumen.

you are straight up ****ing retarded, and I now know for a fact you don't even watch Chiefs games....

Berry is so much better than the safeties you listed it isn't even funny...and it's obvious to anyone who actually watched...

and we didn't lose "games" because of Berry...and it was Lewis getting torched repeatedly from mid-season on that hurt our secondary the most...

and no one wants to "draft a pass rusher over Hali"....literally not one person

you make shit up, lie, and obviously watch games wearing these:

http://images.windycitynovelties.com/prodimages/detail/12205_detail.jpg

JASONSAUTO
04-23-2011, 01:15 PM
I totally ignore sacc ever since he started saying weigmann was our best olineman last year
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Chocolate Hog
04-23-2011, 04:26 PM
The pics don't make any of your dumbass selections look better.

Pestilence
04-23-2011, 04:27 PM
I totally ignore sacc ever since he started saying weigmann was our best olineman last year
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This.

Brock
04-23-2011, 06:26 PM
Wiegmann was our best offensive lineman last year, but he's the guy everyone is clamoring to replace, not the freaking tragedies at tackle.

Just when you can't get any dumber.

Bewbies
04-23-2011, 07:30 PM
LMAO

JASONSAUTO
04-23-2011, 07:32 PM
Just when you can't get any dumber.


Dude, he has said that for months. Crazy talk. I literally have not seen anyone else say that. At all.
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milkman
04-23-2011, 08:02 PM
I'm seriously questioning your ability to imagine anything. I don't think you have a creative, figurative bone in your body.

And, like I said, I would rather have Allen or Ward in the second along with Okung or Bulaga than Berry and McCluster (to go along with the stellar Chiefs OT duo of Albert and Richardson).

TJ Ward:
123 Tackles
2 Ints
10 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fum.

Nate Allen:
48 tackles
2 Sacks
3 Ints
8 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fumbles

Eric Berry:
92 Tackles
2 Sacks
4 Ints
9 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fum.

And you can add Earl Thomas to that list of rookie safeties that had very good years:

Earl Thomas
76 Tackles
5 Ints
7 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fum.

,,,and next year, Morgan Burnett and Chad Jones, who had injuries their rookie years and didn't play, but should be contributors next season. And then you can add Taylor Mays as well.

Berry is going to have to work his ass off to be considered a top three safety in just his draft class, let alone a top three NFL safety.

So, yeah, I'd much rather have a competent offensive tackle along with a safety that mirrored Berry's production than Berry and McCluster (which means that Richardson and Albert are still our kick ass OT's).

What the fuck is your point?

I would rather have Berry and Koa Misi than Berry and McNuggett, but McNuggett has nothing to do with the conversation of Berry vs. Okung you fucking dumbass.

JASONSAUTO
04-23-2011, 08:12 PM
I can see the point sacc is trying to make. It's flawed.


He says we could have gotten a player as good as berry in the second. Instead of mccluster.

Crazy talk.
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RustShack
04-23-2011, 08:36 PM
Come on guys, everyone knows stats tells the whole story of what happens on a football field. Remember when Napolion Harris was our leading tackler a few years ago? Clearly our best defender.

the Talking Can
04-23-2011, 10:19 PM
Come on guys, everyone knows stats tells the whole story of what happens on a football field. Remember when Napolion Harris was our leading tackler a few years ago? Clearly our best defender.

see: Mazlowski

Pasta Giant Meatball
04-24-2011, 07:57 AM
Everyone is just taking turns playing whack-a-mole on the pooman ROFL

Rams Fan
04-24-2011, 09:15 AM
Berry>Okung

Okung's going to end up playing 7 years and have to retire because of injuries...