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petegz28
04-13-2011, 08:37 PM
So what did we learn?

That we can't afford the bush tax cuts he voted to extend 4 months ago saying how we needed them to spur the economy.

Republicans hate seniors

Republicans hate children with down syndrome

The people who actually pay the majority of federal income taxes aren't paying enough to cover the spending on those who don't pay

Tax the "fortunate" rich more

Mizzou_8541
04-13-2011, 08:40 PM
So what did we learn?

That we can't afford the bush tax cuts he voted to extend 4 months ago saying how we needed them to spur the economy.

Republicans hate seniors

Republicans hate children with down syndrome

The people who actually pay the majority of federal income taxes aren't paying enough to cover the spending on those who don't pay

Tax the "fortunate" rich more

Well, that's goes well with "Republicans are racists." Might as well get the trifecta.

Direckshun
04-13-2011, 08:41 PM
So what did we learn?

The President's opening bid.

That we can't afford the bush tax cuts he voted to extend 4 months ago saying how we needed them to spur the economy.

Yup.

Republicans hate seniors

Swing and a miss.

Republicans hate children with down syndrome

Swing and a miss.

The people who actually pay the majority of federal income taxes aren't paying enough to cover the spending on those who don't pay

Right.

petegz28
04-13-2011, 08:45 PM
The President's opening bid.



Yup.



Swing and a miss.



Swing and a miss.



Right.

I know, he didn't say what he really said.

Direckshun
04-13-2011, 08:49 PM
I know, he didn't say what he really said.

You lost me.

petegz28
04-13-2011, 08:51 PM
You lost me.

Facts often have that effect on you

HonestChieffan
04-13-2011, 10:23 PM
At this point I have no hope that Obama would actually do that leadership thing. No specifics, avoided dealing with the hard labor of cutting entitlements, rebuilding medicare, and doing the right thing with SS. More of the same old same old we need to tax rich folks, no definition of rich, nothing but another dose of us vs. them.

He will kick it to congress. Thats his approach. And the fight will likely be horribly divisive because no one is attempting to define a set of common approaches as a starting point. And no one wants to tell the truth. Its smoke and mirrors, find the pea under the cup. The approach was to take the extreme position and then negotiate to the middle. Thats politics. All he set out to do was pander to any number of bases to establish a dialog for his reelection campaign.

Somebody will have to nut up and tell people the truth.Obama is all hat and no cows. He aint alone, the rest of the top folks in both parties are as shameless as he is. The government is out of control, they have promised to many people too many things and we cannot afford it anymore. Some stuff is going go away. Some things will be dramatically reduced. And new stuff that every swinging dick and jane wants are not gonna happen so dont ask.

Someone needs to be honest and direct. Quit trying to cover every voter blocks ass and transfer the cost to someone else. That would take more stones than any of these elected people have ever shown. Rather than dividing people we need a total effort by every citizen to contribute to getting this ship back on course. The way it is now, we have no cohesive national unified effort except to pander to ever outfit with a logo and some jackleg with a contact to get him or her on the news.

Everybody gets to play. Its not Ag vs Education. Its not transportation vs HHS. We all get to contribute. So all the lobby efforts, organizations and associations need to star looking for what they are willing to give on or someone else will decide. Your Ox is about to be gored so prepare for it.

Taxes will likely go up. But its not just the few, it needs to be everybody. Consumption taxes should be on the table. Income taxes need to be reinstated way down the line, and all this tax credits and fun stuff politicians gave out to get votes are gonna go away or be dramatically reduced. You want roads? Ok, then get ready to pay some more road tax. Truckers, get your big boy pants on. You wanted 80000 pound loads on roads designed for 50. You get to pay your share of the repair bill and it wont be fun. Government workers get to work. A lot of you wont be here before long and the first to go will be those who don't carry their load. SEIU can throw a fit, too bad. Everybody gets to play.

When we elect a leader who is in it to do whats right for the country and not just to expand his or her personal goals and careers we may have a chance. Till then, you are screwed. Every last one of us.

dirk digler
04-13-2011, 10:29 PM
LMAO That was a great rant hcf and I actually agree with you on some that.

As far as Obama goes he laid out the framework and it is Congress's job to try to get a bill. He is no dummy, contrary to what my friends on the right think, because he knows even if he put out a full detailed bill it would get shredded apart by both parties.

petegz28
04-13-2011, 10:32 PM
LMAO That was a great rant hcf and I actually agree with you on some that.

As far as Obama goes he laid out the framework and it is Congress's job to try to get a bill. He is no dummy, contrary to what my friends on the right think, because he knows even if he put out a full detailed bill it would get shredded apart by both parties.

If you listened to Obama's comments not even a year ago you would see more flip-flopping than John Kerry's beach shoes. And being afraid of getting shredded by both sides shows how much he lacks leadership. Leaders lead, they don't appease.

HonestChieffan
04-13-2011, 10:40 PM
LMAO That was a great rant hcf and I actually agree with you on some that.

As far as Obama goes he laid out the framework and it is Congress's job to try to get a bill. He is no dummy, contrary to what my friends on the right think, because he knows even if he put out a full detailed bill it would get shredded apart by both parties.

The guy who carries the ball gets tackled a lot. The good ones work hard to score touchdowns. He is no dummy. Right. He is also no leader.He reminds me of the third string QB with a headset and a clipboard screaming at the line to open a hole while he gets the coach a gatorade. He is in this for him. Don't ever forget that. As President, the leaders who got this country through our hardest times did not hand it over, they led, the forged alliances. They had ideas and they recognized ideas. and they unified. Obama will never be so accused.

Empty
Suit.

The pocket being picked is yours.

dirk digler
04-13-2011, 10:54 PM
If you listened to Obama's comments not even a year ago you would see more flip-flopping than John Kerry's beach shoes. And being afraid of getting shredded by both sides shows how much he lacks leadership. Leaders lead, they don't appease.

I don't think he is afraid at all he came from Congress he knows how it works.

Which is no POTUS puts out a bill and gets everything they want. There is always going to be compromises and sacrifices.

petegz28
04-13-2011, 10:57 PM
I don't think he is afraid at all he came from Congress he knows how it works.

Which is no POTUS puts out a bill and gets everything they want. There is always going to be compromises and sacrifices.

Dude, saying he came from congress is like saying a little league coach can run the Yankees. He was hardly even there for the little bit of time he was in the senate.

Direckshun
04-13-2011, 11:18 PM
You don't have to be from Congress to know that any plan you submit is going to get cut up in a million pieces.

So he can introduce a plan himself, or he can outline his goals and have the Dems haggle it out with as much influence as he can exert.

It's pretty much what Presidents do. But whatever.

petegz28
04-13-2011, 11:28 PM
You don't have to be from Congress to know that any plan you submit is going to get cut up in a million pieces.

So he can introduce a plan himself, or he can outline his goals and have the Dems haggle it out with as much influence as he can exert.

It's pretty much what Presidents do. But whatever.

Kinda like the budget that should have been passed last year??????? LMAO

Direckshun
04-13-2011, 11:33 PM
Kinda like the budget that should have been passed last year??????? LMAO

Right.

NewChief
04-14-2011, 08:17 AM
Hilarious break down of the demagoguery.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/barack_obama/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/04/14/conservative_speech_reax

Obama's demagogic, Stalinist, class-warring, no good, very bad speech
BY ALEX PAREENE

Rush Limbaugh and Barack Obama
Did you appreciate Barack Obama's speech about the deficit, and the Republican plan to tackle the deficit through the dismantling of the welfare state? Because you shouldn't have. It may have sounded well and good, but it was actually awful demagoguery! And it was so mean!

Obama's speech lasted 45 minutes, and 45 minutes after he concluded, cable news had largely forgotten or stopped caring about what he actually said and began getting into the way he said it and what it "meant" (not what the words themselves meant, but what the act of speaking them itself was supposed to mean) and, hey, Joe Biden fell asleep and here are some Republicans to rebut and did you know there will eventually be an election?

But right-wingers were not so easily distracted. They knew that Barack Obama had done them a grievous injustice by coming out against the Ryan budget plan.

Rush Limbaugh, for one, seemed unhappy that the president didn't acknowledge the benevolent genius of Paul Ryan: "Obama spent 45 minutes vilifying Paul Ryan and 5 minutes on how we all need to get along." I guess the new definition of "vilifying" is "explaining at length why you disagree with someone." He didn't even mention Ryan! Unless there was a bit at the end that I missed where the president said, "Paul Ryan wants to kill your grandmother." (Wait, sorry, that was someone else. Or rather a great number of someone elses.)

Rush wasn't alone! It seemed like everyone on the right -- including Paul Ryan -- seemed a bit peeved that the president didn't explicitly endorse the brutal Ryan budget document and then call Ryan the smartest man in America and our new Secretary of Serious Grown-up Solutions.

Stephen Hayes called it:

One of the phoniest, most demagogic speeches from a sitting US president in recent memory. This after punting on his own budget. A disgrace.

I agree that the Democrats should've passed a budget last year. After that, though, Mr. Hayes loses me.

Where I saw a robust but largely uncontroversial defense of American liberalism coupled with undeniably moderate policy proposals, Reuters Breaking Views columnist James Pethokoukis saw a "class-warfare attack on Paul Ryan’s 'Path to Prosperity.'" Cato Institute senior fellow Michael Tanner went further:

President Obama's speech today was reminiscent of Stalin’s Order Number 227 to the Russian generals at the Battle of Stalingrad: "Not One Step Backward."

Oh, was it? Was it reminiscent of Stalin's Order Number 227?

Tammy Bruce and Neil Cavuto were not impressed. Rush Limbaugh's less talented brother brought up socialism, of course.

The Washington Examiner pointed out that Barack Obama tricked Paul Ryan into releasing his plan first, so that Obama could criticize it -- unfair! -- and, even worse, he "resorted to Huey Long tactics by making a punching bag of 'the rich,' that mythical top 2 percent of all Americans whose wealth the president famously told Joe the Plumber in 2008 that he just wanted to 'spread around.'" Did you know that rich people are a myth?

(Jonah Goldberg made a reference to the television program "The Simpsons.")

Am I missing something? Of course the speech was partisan. It was a president giving a speech about the budget. Do these critics actually think it's unfair for Barack Obama to disagree with them?

Alex Pareene writes about politics for Salon. Email him at apareene@salon.com and follow him on Twitter @pareene More: Alex Pareene