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petegz28
04-13-2011, 08:11 PM
When the right invokes Christ the left invokes Darwin


When the right endorses Darwinian philosophy the left says "that's not what Christ would do"



Very funny

Saulbadguy
04-13-2011, 08:32 PM
J.C. was a nice guy. Just not a god or anything like that. Pretty simple, I'd have to agree with Dennis Miller.

Sannyasi
04-13-2011, 08:40 PM
Well it is possible to accept the moral teachings of Christ without accepting the supernatural bit. That's the whole idea behind Christian atheism. And if I recall Social Darwinism has been tried out before with less than stellar results...

I know, I took this thread more seriously than I should have :huh:

petegz28
04-13-2011, 08:44 PM
Well it is possible to accept the moral teachings of Christ without accepting the supernatural bit. That's the whole idea behind Christian atheism. And if I recall Social Darwinism has been tried out before with less than stellar results...

I know, I took this thread more seriously than I should have :huh:

It was just funny because the example he used was "survival of the fittest". When the Right is accused of taking such a stance the Left says "Christ wouldn't do that".

It was just very funny.

notorious
04-13-2011, 08:45 PM
Well it is possible to accept the moral teachings of Christ without accepting the supernatural bit. That's the whole idea behind Christian atheism. And if I recall Social Darwinism has been tried out before with less than stellar results...

I know, I took this thread more seriously than I should have :huh:



Very well said.

Direckshun
04-13-2011, 10:42 PM
I can't believe I have to type this out, but...

People who believe evolutionary Darwinism occurs in nature don't necessarily think it should govern our economic systems.

But I'm going to go back to assuming you're joking, and that the fallacious logic is what's so funny.

Chiefspants
04-13-2011, 10:51 PM
I can't believe I have to type this out, but...

People who believe evolutionary Darwinism occurs in nature don't necessarily think it should govern our economic systems.

But I'm going to go back to assuming you're joking, and that the fallacious logic is what's so funny.

Dennis Miller nailed it, though, you're just not looking at the facts.

Direckshun
04-13-2011, 11:11 PM
Dennis Miller nailed it, though, you're just not looking at the facts.

I...

...wha...

...okay.

Shrug.

Taco John
04-14-2011, 02:02 AM
I can't believe I have to type this out, but...

People who believe evolutionary Darwinism occurs in nature don't necessarily think it should govern our economic systems.

But I'm going to go back to assuming you're joking, and that the fallacious logic is what's so funny.


I mean, it's a chicken, right? Isn't one side of the road just as good as the other? The other side of the road isn't necessarily a better side.

tiptap
04-14-2011, 08:04 AM
Just to understand, Darwinism in economics is not, it is lamarkian to talk about survival of the fittest. That is because economics does not follow Mendelian genetics. So while it does make for a good joke the distinction makes the supposed fallacy false.

Saul Good
04-14-2011, 08:11 AM
I can't believe I have to type this out, but...

People who believe evolutionary Darwinism occurs in nature don't necessarily think it should govern our economic systems.

But I'm going to go back to assuming you're joking, and that the fallacious logic is what's so funny.

And Christians don't necessarily think that his principles should be used to set economic policy.

I believe that the government's safety net should be much smaller than it is and that private charities should be used for the rest.

BucEyedPea
04-14-2011, 09:40 AM
Just to understand, Darwinism in economics is not, it is lamarkian to talk about survival of the fittest. That is because economics does not follow Mendelian genetics. So while it does make for a good joke the distinction makes the supposed fallacy false.

It's no a fallacy....you and direction are rejecting this idea based on values.

A good example is to look at what societies endured longest while continuing to improve their standard of living. Socialism collapsed. Democratic socialism is imploding in Europe and the welfare state in America won't endure at it's current levels either. Heck! Even Sweden has had to roll back some of its socialism. The more we get of it will hasten our demise. The less we get of it just slows our demise.

Primitive societies, usually are collectivistic, and they don't advance. In fact they get wiped out by stronger, more advanced societies who had better technology. This show the fittest do survive despite their own difficulties.

I think the logic, unless you're in denial, is revealing as to what societies change, and evolve toward advancing our conditions and standard of living.

HolyHandgernade
04-14-2011, 10:17 AM
When the right invokes Christ the left invokes Darwin

When the right invokes "creationism" the left invokes "science"


When the right endorses Darwinian philosophy the left says "that's not what Christ would do"

When the right endorses "hoarding from and ignoring of the masses" the left says "that's not what Christ would do".

They are false equivilants. The first describes competing thoughts on the best means for deducing mysteries of the world about us, the second is about intellectual and moral choices in how we regard one another. I guess its kind of funny in how it is phrased, but I don't know exactly what you think he "nails".

Baby Lee
04-14-2011, 10:17 AM
I can't believe I have to type this out, but...

People who believe evolutionary Darwinism occurs in nature don't necessarily think it should govern our economic systems.

But I'm going to go back to assuming you're joking, and that the fallacious logic is what's so funny.

Yes, and people who believe gravity occurs in nature don't necessarily think it should govern our transportation systems.

Taco John
04-14-2011, 12:59 PM
When the right invokes "creationism" the left invokes "science"


Where does the left invoke "science" where the abortion issue is concerned?

chasedude
04-14-2011, 01:06 PM
Faith and Reason do not fit.

InChiefsHell
04-14-2011, 01:13 PM
Faith and Reason do not fit.

Incorrect.

Brock
04-14-2011, 01:34 PM
Faith and Reason do not fit.

Faith and reason get along fine as long as you don't try to take the old books literally.

chasedude
04-14-2011, 02:10 PM
Faith and reason get along fine as long as you don't try to take the old books literally.

This is my point exactly. How can a virgin give birth?

Faith = Omg it's written in the good book so it must be true!

Reason = Wtf? This sounds like Sci-Fi fantasy fiction, it was written by George Lucas.

BucEyedPea
04-14-2011, 02:19 PM
This is my point exactly. How can a virgin give birth?

Faith = Omg it's written in the good book so it must be true!

Reason = Wtf? This sounds like Sci-Fi fantasy fiction, it was written by George Lucas.

Well any virgin today can give birth due the miracles of modern medicine. Artificial insemination. Even the strongest sperm can be separated by spinning in a centrifuge.

All it means in religion, is Mary conceived without any sexual intercourse via a divine miracle.

chasedude
04-14-2011, 02:27 PM
Well any virgin today can give birth due the miracles of modern medicine. Artificial insemination. Even the strongest sperm can be separated by spinning in a centrifuge.

All it means in religion, is Mary conceived without any sexual intercourse via a divine miracle.

Oh that clears it all up for me, wth was I thinking? :doh!::spock:

RedNeckRaider
04-14-2011, 03:14 PM
Well any virgin today can give birth due the miracles of modern medicine. Artificial insemination. Even the strongest sperm can be separated by spinning in a centrifuge.

All it means in religion, is Mary conceived without any sexual intercourse via a divine miracle.
Oh that clears it up! How did that whole swallowed by a big fish story work? and the thousands fed by a fish and a loaf of bread deal if you have time. I have some more but don't want to overload you~

chasedude
04-14-2011, 03:16 PM
Oh that clears it up! How did that whole swallowed by a big fish story work? and the thousands fed by a fish and a loaf of bread deal if you have time. I have some more but don't want to overload you~

Yup, inquiring minds want to know :LOL: LMAO

Adept Havelock
04-14-2011, 04:11 PM
Oh that clears it up! How did that whole swallowed by a big fish story work? and the thousands fed by a fish and a loaf of bread deal if you have time. I have some more but don't want to overload you~

I'm not sure about that one either.

RNR, how do you stand on the idea that we're supposed to admire/worship someone who knocked up another guys bride?

Sure, Matthew says she was a bride, Luke says she was a fiancée.

Either way, knocking her up when she's committed to someone else simply can't be kosher. :shrug:

Thig Lyfe
04-14-2011, 04:17 PM
Seriously folks, I haven't seen somebody nail something this hard since Luther tacked those theses of his onto the Castle Church in Wittenberg.

BucEyedPea
04-14-2011, 04:29 PM
Oh that clears it up! How did that whole swallowed by a big fish story work? and the thousands fed by a fish and a loaf of bread deal if you have time. I have some more but don't want to overload you~

I don't really know. I am not a Bible thumper. I was just reciting what I was taught in school regarding Mary to explain that to that poster. Religions believe in the supernatural, so the virgin point doesn't apply. Even today it wouldn't due to modern medical procedures. As I've said before I don't agree with Christian theology necessarily, I do adhere to the values I was taught from it though. Some things are universal and are commonly found in many religions— or philosophies for those not religious.

Chiefspants
04-14-2011, 05:55 PM
I...

...wha...

...okay.

Shrug.

Dude, but, he nailed it, though, you're just colorblind, obviously.

RJ
04-14-2011, 06:46 PM
You folks take dissecting a joke to a whole new level.

Dave Lane
04-14-2011, 06:54 PM
I have to say I really respect this. That's basically how I've tried to live a life and never realized it. One of helping deserving folks and yet completely rejecting the magic / supernatural aspects. Very well done you've given me some mental grist for the evening. If I can stop doing my taxes for a bit.


Well it is possible to accept the moral teachings of Christ without accepting the supernatural bit. That's the whole idea behind Christian atheism. And if I recall Social Darwinism has been tried out before with less than stellar results...

I know, I took this thread more seriously than I should have :huh:

Dave Lane
04-14-2011, 06:59 PM
Oh that clears it up! How did that whole swallowed by a big fish story work? and the thousands fed by a fish and a loaf of bread deal if you have time. I have some more but don't want to overload you~

I like the boat story the best :) 357,000 species of beetles on a boat sexed male and female. Or the river of blood, and the frogs or wait the infanticide where god killed 10,000s of innocent babies.

:)

Dave Lane
04-14-2011, 07:02 PM
And the joke is odd much like Dennis, and I have no idea WTF he's trying to convey

orange
04-14-2011, 08:01 PM
Well any virgin today can give birth due the miracles of modern medicine. Artificial insemination. Even the strongest sperm can be separated by spinning in a centrifuge.

All it means in religion, is Mary conceived without any sexual intercourse via a divine miracle.

Son-O-God had it right years ago. Mary was walking along when the Holy Ghost in the form of a dove alighted in front of her. In the next frame, HG flew up under her skirt.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_JB-YbL2BhvM/Rirmtw8zdvI/AAAAAAAAAbA/8FZhMk_LezE/s400/SOG.jpg

Back in the '70s, back when Dennis Miller was funny.

Direckshun
04-15-2011, 12:50 AM
And Christians don't necessarily think that his principles should be used to set economic policy.

That's fair, but that only serves to further deflate Miller's "argument."

Direckshun
04-15-2011, 12:50 AM
Yes, and people who believe gravity occurs in nature don't necessarily think it should govern our transportation systems.

You lost me.

BucEyedPea
04-15-2011, 06:58 AM
Son-O-God had it right years ago. Mary was walking along when the Holy Ghost in the form of a dove alighted in front of her. In the next frame, HG flew up under her skirt.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_JB-YbL2BhvM/Rirmtw8zdvI/AAAAAAAAAbA/8FZhMk_LezE/s400/SOG.jpg

Back in the '70s, back when Dennis Miller was funny.

The dove is a metaphor or symbol—at least it is to me nowadays.

The miracle of the virgin birth is literary foreshadowing of the medical miracle. ( brought to us by free-market capitalism btw) Afterall, God knows all that will happen.


o:-)

BucEyedPea
04-15-2011, 07:02 AM
I like the boat story the best :) 357,000 species of beetles on a boat sexed male and female. Or the river of blood, and the frogs or wait the infanticide where god killed 10,000s of innocent babies.

:)

See, you wonder why some think you're deriding their faith. This is a snide mockery of someone's belief system rather than an academic refutation. Just my opinion....that's how it comes off to me. This is a good example of the intolerance of the left.

Jaric
04-15-2011, 07:29 AM
Oh that clears it up! How did that whole swallowed by a big fish story work? and the thousands fed by a fish and a loaf of bread deal if you have time. I have some more but don't want to overload you~

It's a mystery...

Molitoth
04-15-2011, 07:35 AM
Well any virgin today can give birth due the miracles of modern medicine. Artificial insemination. Even the strongest sperm can be separated by spinning in a centrifuge.

All it means in religion, is Mary conceived without any sexual intercourse via a divine miracle.

Or this....


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Dave Lane
04-15-2011, 08:04 AM
This is a very good explanation thats fairly even handed but explains exactly what you are feeling.

Its a great 9 minutes for anyone. Might have cuss word or two so be warned.

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See, you wonder why some think you're deriding their faith. This is a snide mockery of someone's belief system rather than an academic refutation. Just my opinion....that's how it comes off to me. This is a good example of the intolerance of the left.

Simplex3
04-15-2011, 08:41 AM
Good to see you guys having the fight the politicians on both sides want you to have. Fight eachother over dumb stuff while they rob you and your children blind to continue their privilege and power.

RedNeckRaider
04-15-2011, 09:35 AM
Good to see you guys having the fight the politicians on both sides want you to have. Fight eachother over dumb stuff while they rob you and your children blind to continue their privilege and power.

Thats is sadly the truth~

BucEyedPea
04-15-2011, 01:33 PM
Good to see you guys having the fight the politicians on both sides want you to have. Fight eachother over dumb stuff while they rob you and your children blind to continue their privilege and power.

Very good point. 'Cept I am aware we're being robbed blind. I'm not sure HH or DL do.

Dave Lane
04-15-2011, 01:37 PM
Very good point. 'Cept I am aware we're being robbed blind. I'm not sure HH or DL do.

No but I am aware the tax burden on the wealthy is the lowest its been in a generation and some want it to go lower.

Also even though I'm still doing my taxes, I understand I've not been robbed in anyway and am happy society has made it possible to have an increasingly happy plentiful life.