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SNR
04-14-2011, 04:10 PM
Three NBA teams in the LA area?

That's fucking stupid.

Hey Sprint Center: You want a professional team to rent out your arena? Here's your chance. Make an offer.

DMAC
04-14-2011, 04:11 PM
I would love to bring the Kings back to KC.

redhed
04-14-2011, 04:12 PM
Hey Sprint Center: You want a professional team to rent out your arena? Here's your chance. Make an offer.

That would be some kinda cosmic NBA full-circle thing.

Baconeater
04-14-2011, 04:12 PM
Yeah it's pretty ridiculous seeing that there's already one irrelevant NBA team in the LA area.

Dicky McElephant
04-14-2011, 04:13 PM
Good riddance.

dirk digler
04-14-2011, 04:16 PM
Yeah I don't understand why KC didn't try or at least I don't think they did.

OnTheWarpath58
04-14-2011, 04:18 PM
Yeah I don't understand why KC didn't try or at least I don't think they did.

It has nothing to do with trying.

The Maloofs WANT to move to Anaheim.

Stewie
04-14-2011, 04:19 PM
It's more thug-a-licious in LA than KC.

nychief
04-14-2011, 04:19 PM
The Maloof brothers aren't moving that team to KC... they already think Sactown is the sticks...

The worst part is... Anaheim ROYALS.

Pants
04-14-2011, 04:20 PM
There are 17 million reasons, man.

dirk digler
04-14-2011, 04:22 PM
It has nothing to do with trying.

The Maloofs WANT to move to Anaheim.

Yeah I just read an interview where they stated the flight would be too far for them since they live in CA and Vegas. Boo fucking hoo. I guess there are no houses in MO.

SNR
04-14-2011, 04:22 PM
When asked on July 20, 2010:

​The owners of the Sacramento Kings are exploring their options, including moving their pro basketball franchise to a city with a new arena, according to Sports Illustrated.

Hey! We have a 3-year-old arena without a home team. How about it, Kings owner?

SI suggested Kansas City and the Sprint Center as a relocation option to Kings owner George Maloof, who didn't waste any time shooting down the suggestion.

"Some of it is the proximity. We live in Southern California and Las Vegas. To fly to Kansas City is a little longer, a little further," Maloof said. "Here is the thing. We have not given up on an arena in Sacramento. The NBA is involved. They are going to get to a point and they are going to let us know what the results are. At that point we are going to decide whether to continue on to try to get a new arena or continue on with what we have. It is all about timing. We are trying to pull out of this crazy recession. That is how we look at it now."

It's really too bad because the Kings are building a good, young team. Tyreke Evans is going to be a superstar, and rookie center DeMarcus Cousins out of Kentucky looks like a beast in the post.

nychief
04-14-2011, 04:23 PM
Besides the Sprint center would LOSE money with a permanent resident... It is doing very well as is.

SNR
04-14-2011, 04:24 PM
There are 17 million reasons, man.If I were an LA sports fan, I would imagine myself being a strictly Lakers fan. Or a Clippers fan if I'm crazy. If a new team moved in, I'd probably say, "WTF is this shit?"

There are fans here that LIKE pro basketball. The whole "college town" thing is overblown and fallacious.

OnTheWarpath58
04-14-2011, 04:24 PM
Yeah I just read an interview where they stated the flight would be too far for them since they live in CA and Vegas. Boo fucking hoo. I guess there are no houses in MO.

That's just a nice way of saying they want no part of KC.

nychief
04-14-2011, 04:25 PM
That's just a nice way of saying they want no part of KC.


but we have casinos too!

OnTheWarpath58
04-14-2011, 04:25 PM
but we have casinos too!

LMAO

SNR
04-14-2011, 04:25 PM
Here's another idea: Put a team back in Seattle. That town deserves it.

Hell, put another team in New York. There are probably 10 better options for this team than fucking Anaheim

Brock
04-14-2011, 04:26 PM
Yeah I just read an interview where they stated the flight would be too far for them since they live in CA and Vegas. Boo fucking hoo. I guess there are no houses in MO.

You can't expect these people to sit for too long on a private jet sipping champagne and getting BJs from flight attendants.

SNR
04-14-2011, 04:26 PM
Los Angeles Kings of Anaheim.

Get. Out. Of. Me.

dirk digler
04-14-2011, 04:28 PM
That's just a nice way of saying they want no part of KC.

I get it they are Cali guys and enjoy the lifestyle out there and in Vegas. KC is too much of a boring cow town for them.

dirk digler
04-14-2011, 04:30 PM
NBA commissioner David Stern likes the Sprint Center. A lot. Pro basketball's head honcho loves new buildings -- that's part of the reason that the Seattle SuperSonics are just a memory and Sacramento Kings fans sweat at the thought of moving vans rolling out of town.

In Stern's annual chat with ESPN's basketball fanatic Bill Simmons (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6125242&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines), Stern didn't hesitate to name-drop Kansas City when asked about cities with "NBA-ready buildings." "Well, for sure Kansas City. ... There's a brand-new building in Pittsburgh, there's a good building in St. Louis, there's a good building in Tampa/St. Pete. ... I know [Anaheim's Honda Center has] got some years on it, but I'm told it's a serviceable building."
Exciting news, right? Not if you believe the second part of Stern's answer.
"So there are lots of potential cities, but our goal here is to keep all of our teams where they are ... but recognizing that that hasn't been a goal that we have successfully achieved in the past."
All of this doesn't mean much without an owner willing to bring a franchise to Kansas City. Stern didn't mention KC as one of the cities with groups interested in bringing in a team.
"I think maybe or maybe not on my watch, when Seattle has plans for a new building, I think it's a very prime city for an NBA franchise. We've been visited or contacted by three different groups that are putting up a building in Las Vegas. ... We've had visits from Anaheim. We've had visits from, believe it or not, Vancouver."
Vancouver? Ownership is the key. Stern told Pitch editor Joe Tone as much in an e-mail earlier this year.

"It all begins with a strong and committed ownership group!!" Stern wrote.

Without an ownership group, we've got nothing.

Rams Fan
04-14-2011, 04:33 PM
Here's another idea: Put a team back in Seattle. That town deserves it.

Hell, put another team in New York. There are probably 10 better options for this team than fucking Anaheim

Seattle does deserve a team back, but we probably won't see them get one back unless a new arena is built.

And the Nets are moving to NYC in 2 seasons.

OnTheWarpath58
04-14-2011, 04:36 PM
I get it they are Cali guys and enjoy the lifestyle out there and in Vegas. KC is too much of a boring cow town for them.

I don't see it having anything to do with lifestyle.

LA is a city with what, 18 million people?

They have two NBA teams occupying the same building, and one teams is drawing to 100% capacity for 41 home games, the other around 93-95%.

LA can and will support a 3rd team.

KC struggles to support the 2 teams they have.

It's funny Stern mentioned STL, because people here were smart enough to forget about the NBA coming here a long time ago.

Rams Fan
04-14-2011, 04:39 PM
It's funny Stern mentioned STL, because people here were smart enough to forget about the NBA coming here a long time ago.
If you're talking about the Hawks, yes, it's been quite awhile.

On the other hand, Bill Laurie(fuck him for trading Pronger) almost brought the Grizzlies to St. Louis.

Bill Laurie was about to buy the Grizzlies. He wanted to relocate them ASAP to St. Louis and went against the advice of many owners/friends. If he had waited a year, St. Louis likely would have had a NBA team. Since he didn't, his offer was denied by Stern and the rest is history.

BigMeatballDave
04-14-2011, 04:42 PM
The NBA is fucking retarded. Why on Earth would they approve this?

OnTheWarpath58
04-14-2011, 04:44 PM
If you're talking about the Hawks, yes, it's been quite awhile.

On the other hand, Bill Laurie(fuck him for trading Pronger) almost brought the Grizzlies to St. Louis.

Bill Laurie was about to buy the Grizzlies. He wanted to relocate them ASAP to St. Louis and went against the advice of many owners/friends. If he had waited a year, St. Louis likely would have had a NBA team. Since he didn't, his offer was denied by Stern and the rest is history.

The Grizzlies coming here would have been an EPIC mistake.

STL wouldn't support a NBA team any more than KC would.

There aren't enough hardcore NBA fans in either city that have the money to go to 41 home games a year at an average of $50 a ticket - and that doesn't take parking or concessions into account.

Rams Fan
04-14-2011, 04:44 PM
The NBA is fucking retarded. Why on Earth would they approve this?

Easy, the arena in Sacramento isn't that good and attendance has been down. Similar to the Sonics situation, but not quite.

The NBA wanted to build an arena had some sort of expo site(if that's what it's called) and Sacramento taxpayers voted against a bill to fund the arena.

BigMeatballDave
04-14-2011, 04:45 PM
The Maloof brothers aren't moving that team to KC... they already think Sactown is the sticks...

The worst part is... Anaheim ROYALS.They were the Royals when they were in Cincinnati.

Rams Fan
04-14-2011, 04:45 PM
The Grizzlies coming here would have been an EPIC mistake.

STL wouldn't support a NBA team any more than KC would.

There aren't enough hardcore NBA fans in either city that have the money to go to 41 home games a year at an average of $50 a ticket - and that doesn't take parking or concessions into account.

Oh, I agree. But I think there could be a chance, don't know how likely it would be though, that if the Rams leave St. Louis, the NBA could come here.

Deberg_1990
04-14-2011, 04:46 PM
Kings announcers got emotional and stuff....I wonder if local KC announcers got this choked up when they left in the early 80's??


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OnTheWarpath58
04-14-2011, 04:47 PM
Oh, I agree. But I think there could be a chance, don't know how likely it would be though, that if the Rams leave St. Louis, the NBA could come here.

Very unlikely, IMO.

BigMeatballDave
04-14-2011, 04:51 PM
When asked on July 20, 2010:

​The owners of the Sacramento Kings are exploring their options, including moving their pro basketball franchise to a city with a new arena, according to Sports Illustrated.

Hey! We have a 3-year-old arena without a home team. How about it, Kings owner?

SI suggested Kansas City and the Sprint Center as a relocation option to Kings owner George Maloof, who didn't waste any time shooting down the suggestion.

"Some of it is the proximity. We live in Southern California and Las Vegas. To fly to Kansas City is a little longer, a little further," Maloof said. "Here is the thing. We have not given up on an arena in Sacramento. The NBA is involved. They are going to get to a point and they are going to let us know what the results are. At that point we are going to decide whether to continue on to try to get a new arena or continue on with what we have. It is all about timing. We are trying to pull out of this crazy recession. That is how we look at it now."

It's really too bad because the Kings are building a good, young team. Tyreke Evans is going to be a superstar, and rookie center DeMarcus Cousins out of Kentucky looks like a beast in the post.What a moron. Yeah, lets move to an area that already has 2 teams, one of which is non-existent. I wonder if the Clippers will be trying to get out now?

Saulbadguy
04-14-2011, 04:53 PM
There are 17 million reasons, man.

And a bitch ain't one of them.

OnTheWarpath58
04-14-2011, 04:54 PM
What a moron. Yeah, lets move to an area that already has 2 teams, one of which is non-existent. I wonder if the Clippers will be trying to get out now?

Non-existent?

The Clippers draw to around 95% capacity. That's good for 14th or 15th, IIRC.

Nothing like being the 2nd team in a city and still outdrawing half the league.

Rams Fan
04-14-2011, 04:55 PM
What a moron. Yeah, lets move to an area that already has 2 teams, one of which is non-existent. I wonder if the Clippers will be trying to get out now?

From what I understand, the Clippers have been having good attendance at Staples this year.

And Sterling is an idiot, so he'd never move them from LA.

BigMeatballDave
04-14-2011, 04:56 PM
Non-existent?

The Clippers draw to around 95% capacity. That's good for 14th or 15th, IIRC.I meant non-existent as in suckage.

Deberg_1990
04-14-2011, 04:56 PM
Its weird to me that the Clippers and Lakers have different fanbases.....WTF??

OnTheWarpath58
04-14-2011, 04:58 PM
I meant non-existent as in suckage.

Even more reason to move to LA.

They've shown they'll support sub-par basketball.

Start thinking like an owner and less like a fan.

KC can't fill the two buildings they have. Why would an NBA owner think that would be any different if they moved a team here?

OnTheWarpath58
04-14-2011, 05:00 PM
Its weird to me that the Clippers and Lakers have different fanbases.....WTF??

Part of it is the availability of tickets and their prices.

Clippers tickets run about half of what Lakers tickets do, from what I've been told. And it's difficult to get Lakers tickets. Always sold out.

Baconeater
04-14-2011, 05:01 PM
Its weird to me that the Clippers and Lakers have different fanbases.....WTF??
They're not really fanbases, people in LA go to sporting events to be seen. They don't give a crap what happens on the court/field/whatever.

BigMeatballDave
04-14-2011, 05:01 PM
Its weird to me that the Clippers and Lakers have different fanbases.....WTF??Very weird, indeed. How do you like basketball growing up in SC and NOT become a Lakers fan?

ChiefsCountry
04-14-2011, 05:04 PM
Here is what I have gathered from the whole thing from the Kings forum I visit.

Maloofs are in deep finiacial shape as well. The Palms project in Las Vegas has blown up in a bad way. The Honda Center in Anaheim is owned by Henry Samuel who also owns the Ducks. He is a billionarie that wants basketball in Honda Center as well. He is going to loan/front the Maloofs the money to get the team into Orange County, which by the way is a totally different animal from LA.

Also AEG has worked their ass off to get the Clippers to come to KC and out of Staples. They want those dates for other things, but Sterling keeps taking a shitty ass lease from them to keep the team in Los Angeles. Some people think getting the Kings is a ploy to get Sterling out of the Clippers ownership.

Thig Lyfe
04-14-2011, 05:07 PM
Very weird, indeed. How do you like basketball growing up in SC and NOT become a Lakers fan?

I wonder if a lot of the Clippers fans are transplants who don't want to look like bandwagoners.

KurtCobain
04-14-2011, 05:07 PM
I want the KC Clippers bad. Blake Griffin.. fuck yes.

Rams Fan
04-14-2011, 05:07 PM
Here is what I have gathered from the whole thing from the Kings forum I visit.

Maloofs are in deep finiacial shape as well. The Palms project in Las Vegas has blown up in a bad way. The Honda Center in Anaheim is owned by Henry Samuel who also owns the Ducks. He is a billionarie that wants basketball in Honda Center as well. He is going to loan/front the Maloofs the money to get the team into Orange County, which by the way is a totally different animal from LA.

It's Sameuli, FWIW. I believe he is a friend of the Maloofs.

Also AEG has worked their ass off to get the Clippers to come to KC and out of Staples. They want those dates for other things, but Sterling keeps taking a shitty ass lease from them to keep the team in Los Angeles. Some people think getting the Kings is a ploy to get Sterling out of the Clippers ownership.

Didn't know that. Only way I see Sterling leaving the Clippers ownership is if he dies.

Thig Lyfe
04-14-2011, 05:09 PM
I want the KC Clippers bad. Blake Griffin.. fuck yes.

http://i.imgur.com/dh9HC.gif

ChiefsCountry
04-14-2011, 05:11 PM
KC can't fill the two buildings they have. Why would an NBA owner think that would be any different if they moved a team here?

Arrowhead was built way too big for this market, but that is a different story.

Sprint Center has all the suites sold, which is the big thing that a team owner would look at. Not to mention AEG's deal allows them half the reveune for all other events at the arena. They could easily get 15k to 17k each night for NBA or NHL.

Rams Fan
04-14-2011, 05:11 PM
The Maloofs owe the city of Sacramento $77 million.

ChiefsCountry
04-14-2011, 05:12 PM
The Maloofs owe the city of Sacramento $77 million.

Which is where the Ducks owner comes into play.

Rams Fan
04-14-2011, 05:13 PM
They could easily get 15k to 17k each night for NBA or NHL.

Serious question, why do you think KC would be able to have NHL team? KC briefly had a team in the '70s and the Blues are popular in St. Louis.

KurtCobain
04-14-2011, 05:15 PM
Serious question, why do you think KC would be able to have NHL team? KC briefly had a team in the '70s and the Blues are popular in St. Louis.

Because the fucking missouri mavericks do ok. An NHL team would do great.

Bewbies
04-14-2011, 05:15 PM
The NBA is incredibly expensive. So is the NHL. I can go see the Thrashers and Hawks here in Atlanta (a city of over 5,000,000) any night I want, walk up to the arena and get tickets.

No matter how much you want a pro team in town, how often are you going to drop $75 a seat?

Rams Fan
04-14-2011, 05:17 PM
Because the fucking missouri mavericks do ok. An NHL team would do great.

Would tickets be cheap for a NHL team? Ticket prices for Blues games are among the lowest in the NHL.

OnTheWarpath58
04-14-2011, 05:17 PM
Arrowhead was built way too big for this market, but that is a different story.

Sprint Center has all the suites sold, which is the big thing that a team owner would look at. Not to mention AEG's deal allows them half the reveune for all other events at the arena. They could easily get 15k to 17k each night for NBA or NHL.

Agree to disagree on the bolded part. I don't see it.

And Arrowhead wasn't too big for this market when the team was winning...

And another point - suppose you are right, and they were to draw 17k a night.

They are probably cannibalizing the Chiefs or Royals to do so. Most would have to give up the NFL or MLB to afford it.

ChiefsCountry
04-14-2011, 05:18 PM
Serious question, why do you think KC would be able to have NHL team? KC briefly had a team in the '70s and the Blues are popular in St. Louis.

The Blades, triple A team in the early 90's, actually had pretty decent attendance and that was at the dump called Kemper Arena. Hockey is a sport that once you have seen it live, people would get hooked. Its fast paced action the whole time. Not to mention all of KC's rival cities have teams - St. Louis, Denver, Dallas, Minneapolis, which would easy build quick fan intrest.

OnTheWarpath58
04-14-2011, 05:19 PM
Because the fucking missouri mavericks do ok. An NHL team would do great.

LMAO

Yeah, because an NHL owner is real impressed that 5,000 people a night plunked down $10 a ticket to watch hockey.

Rams Fan
04-14-2011, 05:21 PM
The Blades, triple A team in the early 90's, actually had pretty decent attendance and that was at the dump called Kemper Arena. Hockey is a sport that once you have seen it live, people would get hooked. Its fast paced action the whole time. Not to mention all of KC's rival cities have teams - St. Louis, Denver, Dallas, Minneapolis, which would easy build quick fan intrest.

Would people be willing to pay to go NHL games and maybe give up going to a Chiefs or Royals game?

OnTheWarpath58
04-14-2011, 05:23 PM
I will say that I think the NHL has a better chance of succeeding in KC than the NBA.

I don't think either would do all that well, though.

Any city can sell out the cheap seats.

I don't see people in KC paying $100 a ticket, 41 nights a year to sit on the floor or near the glass.

Rams Fan
04-14-2011, 05:24 PM
I don't see people in KC paying $100 a ticket, 41 nights a year to sit on the floor or near the glass.

Was that the Blues average ticket price?

ChiefsCountry
04-14-2011, 05:24 PM
They are probably cannibalizing the Chiefs or Royals to do so. Most would have to give up the NFL or MLB to afford it.

Maybe a little but not really. Kansas City is a regional draw, same as St. Louis is and Denver as well. The Royals biggest lost has been the neighboring state fans and out state Missouri fanbase.

ChiefsCountry
04-14-2011, 05:26 PM
Would people be willing to pay to go NHL games and maybe give up going to a Chiefs or Royals game?

Do people in St. Louis give up going to Cardinals and Rams games to go to Blues game?

Not a whole lot of difference in population and wealth between the two metro areas.

OnTheWarpath58
04-14-2011, 05:29 PM
Was that the Blues average ticket price?


Did you read what I typed?

Any city can sell out the cheap seats.

Lower bowl tickets are EXPENSIVE, except for at the ends - and those are usually in the $40-50 range.

Lower bowl and club seats between the goal lines for the Blues run from $85-200+ a ticket.

And they sold out all 41 home games.

I have no doubts that the upper level would be sold out in KC. But that leaves 10k higher prices tickets with few buyers.

Rams Fan
04-14-2011, 05:31 PM
Maybe a little but not really. Kansas City is a regional draw, same as St. Louis is and Denver as well. The Royals biggest lost has been the neighboring state fans and out state Missouri fanbase.

The cities you mentioned both have a larger metropolitan area than KC. Denver also has a slightly larger population.

OnTheWarpath58
04-14-2011, 05:32 PM
Do people in St. Louis give up going to Cardinals and Rams games to go to Blues game?

Not a whole lot of difference in population and wealth between the two metro areas.

People give up Rams games, absolutely. The Rams only draw when they are REALLY good. The Cards and Blues sell out even when they suck.

And you're comparing a place that is absolutely apeshit for hockey to a place where most of its residents have never seen an NHL game live.

STL is as much a hockey town as it is a baseball town. Always has been.

Rams Fan
04-14-2011, 05:35 PM
Do people in St. Louis give up going to Cardinals and Rams games to go to Blues game?

Not a whole lot of difference in population and wealth between the two metro areas.

Mentioning the Rams with Blues is a bit different.

They just started getting fans back this year. This was the first time since maybe '05 they didn't have to blackout a game, but that was because the Rams usually bought out the rest of the seats or a company did.

St. Louis is a Cardinals city first, Blues city second and Rams city third. More people won't go to Rams games unless they are winning or are in the playoffs.

People give up Rams games, absolutely. The Rams only draw when they are REALLY good. The Cards and Blues sell out even when they suck.

And you're comparing a place that is absolutely apeshit for hockey to a place where most of its residents have never seen an NHL game live.

STL is as much a hockey town as it is a baseball town. Always has been.

The Blues didn't sell out right after the lockout or during the '06-'07 season.

It took a few years to get attendance back up. Hell, the Cardinals have been drawing as low as 32,000 recently. Usually that many people don't attend games unless it's in September and they are out of the playoffs.

Mojo Rising
04-14-2011, 05:35 PM
This is all about the local TV contract they will be able to sign. Plus, the Maloofs don't want to be in the mid-west.

As a Laker fan in OC I don't mind the move. It will mean 2 Laker games per year in OC. I won't change to a Royal (they are changing their name from Kings because of the NHL team.) fan.

ChiefsCountry
04-14-2011, 05:38 PM
The cities you mentioned both have a larger metropolitan area than KC. Denver also has a slightly larger population.

If you draw a 60 mile circle around KC, its the same size as St. Louis. St. Joseph and Lawerence areas aren't included in the KC metro numbers.

OnTheWarpath58
04-14-2011, 05:42 PM
Mentioning the Rams with Blues is a bit different.

They just started getting fans back this year. This was the first time since maybe '05 they didn't have to blackout a game, but that was because the Rams usually bought out the rest of the seats or a company did.

St. Louis is a Cardinals city first, Blues city second and Rams city third. More people won't go to Rams games unless they are winning or are in the playoffs.



The Blues didn't sell out right after the lockout or during the '06-'07 season.

It took a few years to get attendance back up. Hell, the Cardinals have been drawing as low as 32,000 recently. Usually that many people don't attend games unless it's in September and they are out of the playoffs.

I can't imagine many teams drew well immediately following the lockout.

Point being that the Blues haven't won a playoff game since before the lockout, but have been near the top in attendance almost every year. They missed the playoffs again this year, yet still sold out all 41 home games.

That's support.

And in all honesty, getting 32k to a weeknight game against the Pirates isn't exactly shitty. I give baseball a little leeway considering there are 82 freaking games.

OnTheWarpath58
04-14-2011, 05:44 PM
FWIW, I'd love KC to get an NHL team. Gives me another reason to visit.

I just see them as another Atlanta - once the honeymoon period wears off in the first year, they are gonna draw 12k a game.

Valiant
04-14-2011, 05:47 PM
When asked on July 20, 2010:

​The owners of the Sacramento Kings are exploring their options, including moving their pro basketball franchise to a city with a new arena, according to Sports Illustrated.

Hey! We have a 3-year-old arena without a home team. How about it, Kings owner?

SI suggested Kansas City and the Sprint Center as a relocation option to Kings owner George Maloof, who didn't waste any time shooting down the suggestion.

"Some of it is the proximity. We live in Southern California and Las Vegas. To fly to Kansas City is a little longer, a little further," Maloof said. "Here is the thing. We have not given up on an arena in Sacramento. The NBA is involved. They are going to get to a point and they are going to let us know what the results are. At that point we are going to decide whether to continue on to try to get a new arena or continue on with what we have. It is all about timing. We are trying to pull out of this crazy recession. That is how we look at it now."

It's really too bad because the Kings are building a good, young team. Tyreke Evans is going to be a superstar, and rookie center DeMarcus Cousins out of Kentucky looks like a beast in the post.

How about this you rich pos pricks.. Build your own damn stadium and quit asking for handouts.. Fuck..

Toadkiller
04-14-2011, 05:48 PM
I suck, when I started this thread a while back I only got 6 responses.
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=243348

Valiant
04-14-2011, 05:59 PM
I suck, when I started this thread a while back I only got 6 responses.
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=243348

Just depends on the day..

Reaper16
04-14-2011, 06:41 PM
I agree with OTWP but his rhetoric in this thread is fucking horrendous. He's one of my favorite posters on the board but I kinda' want to punch him.

Buck
04-14-2011, 06:43 PM
I'm all about Anaheim getting an NBA team.

I could finally go to some games.

Marcellus
04-14-2011, 06:56 PM
I was going to say who gives a shit, oops I mean crap, but then realized there have been 75 posts, well now 76.

Damn, I mean dang, does that mean I care?

Bewbies
04-14-2011, 07:09 PM
I will say that I think the NHL has a better chance of succeeding in KC than the NBA.

I don't think either would do all that well, though.

Any city can sell out the cheap seats.

I don't see people in KC paying $100 a ticket, 41 nights a year to sit on the floor or near the glass.

To sit on the glass in Atlanta it's over $250.

dirk digler
04-14-2011, 07:30 PM
FWIW, I'd love KC to get an NHL team. Gives me another reason to visit.

I just see them as another Atlanta - once the honeymoon period wears off in the first year, they are gonna draw 12k a game.

That would depend on if the team sucked or not.

I have no doubt if a KC NBA Team performed as well as the Hawks do there wouldn't be many empty seats. Shit Atlanta has empty seats at Playoff games

-King-
04-14-2011, 07:34 PM
I will say that I think the NHL has a better chance of succeeding in KC than the NBA.

I don't think either would do all that well, though.

Any city can sell out the cheap seats.

I don't see people in KC paying $100 a ticket, 41 nights a year to sit on the floor or near the glass.

Why would the NHL succeed more? The majority of people in KC can't name 3 players in the NHL past or present. NBA would be far better in KC.

In the preseason games in KC, the NBA game drew 18k+ fans while the NHL game drew only 11k.

Edit: 11k was for the 1st preseason game in 08. They had 10k fans for the 2nd one.

88TG88
04-14-2011, 07:50 PM
I might go check out a Laker game just for fun. But, this means absolutely nothing else for me

OnTheWarpath58
04-14-2011, 07:52 PM
I agree with OTWP but his rhetoric in this thread is fucking horrendous. He's one of my favorite posters on the board but I kinda' want to punch him.

*sigh*

I guess this is the part - which happens every time this topic is discussed - where I explain this isn't a STL-KC thing.

Where I explain that I prefer KC to STL. That my wife and I are constantly exploring opportunities to live there. That's it's #1 on our list of places to realistically relocate.

Hell, in this very thread, I said that IMO, the NBA wouldn't survive in STL, either.

I'm amazed that I have to do this every time this comes up, especially for someone as intelligent as yourself.

OnTheWarpath58
04-14-2011, 07:55 PM
Why would the NHL succeed more? The majority of people in KC can't name 3 players in the NHL past or present. NBA would be far better in KC.

In the preseason games in KC, the NBA game drew 18k+ fans while the NHL game drew only 11k.

Edit: 11k was for the 1st preseason game in 08. They had 10k fans for the 2nd one.

Like CC said, people typically get hooked when they go to a NHL game. Preseason's a fucking joke. Worse than the NFL.

I have nothing to back it up other than being a hockey fan for 38 years and knowing the KC area pretty well. I think that for one game, yeah, you'll draw more to a basketball game.

For long-term viability, I think the NHL is a better option for KC.

Bearcat
04-14-2011, 07:56 PM
Why would the NHL succeed more? The majority of people in KC can't name 3 players in the NHL past or present. NBA would be far better in KC.

In the preseason games in KC, the NBA game drew 18k+ fans while the NHL game drew only 11k.

Except KC is known for being one of the best non-NHL cities when it comes to TV ratings. I don't think one league would do much better/worse than the other in KC, just because I agree with OTWP, and think people wouldn't pay for a non-playoff team.

Bearcat
04-14-2011, 07:57 PM
And I don't know about the preseason NBA games, but the NHL games were split squad, and yeah, the games are a joke.

ChiefsCountry
04-14-2011, 08:01 PM
Of course that NBA game last year isn't the best example. You brought the hottest name in sports at the time to town, Miami Heat.

OnTheWarpath58
04-14-2011, 08:01 PM
That would depend on if the team sucked or not.

I have no doubt if a KC NBA Team performed as well as the Hawks do there wouldn't be many empty seats. Shit Atlanta has empty seats at Playoff games

You think an owner considering moving to KC wants to hear, "well, we'll support you if you're any good."

LA has shown they'll support a team regardless.

You have to go back to 2001 to find a year in which they averaged less than 16,000 in a 19,000 seat building. And they've had ONE season over .500 in that time period.

OnTheWarpath58
04-14-2011, 08:04 PM
Except KC is known for being one of the best non-NHL cities when it comes to TV ratings. I don't think one league would do much better/worse than the other in KC, just because I agree with OTWP, and think people wouldn't pay for a non-playoff team.

People didn't pay for a playoff team THIS year. Arrowhead was never completely full. Not on MNF, and not for the first home playoff game in what, seven years?

Al Bundy
04-14-2011, 08:21 PM
I would think that KC and St. Louis would develop a pretty good rivalry in the NHL.

OnTheWarpath58
04-14-2011, 08:22 PM
I would think that KC and St. Louis would develop a pretty good rivalry in the NHL.

I agree.

It would be the first sport in which we had a legitimate rivalry.

Al Bundy
04-14-2011, 08:32 PM
I agree.

It would be the first sport in which we had a legitimate rivalry.

Would be in the same conference.

-King-
04-14-2011, 08:46 PM
Except KC is known for being one of the best non-NHL cities when it comes to TV ratings. I don't think one league would do much better/worse than the other in KC, just because I agree with OTWP, and think people wouldn't pay for a non-playoff team.

How do those ratings compare to NBA tv ratings in KC?

OnTheWarpath58
04-14-2011, 08:48 PM
Would be in the same conference.

They would probably be in the same division.

The NHL has always talked about moving Detroit to the East, which opens up a spot with the Blues, Blackhawks, BlueJackets and Predators.

BWillie
04-14-2011, 08:53 PM
Honest to god the NBA needs to move the Grizzlies, Bucks, Cavs or something like that to Las Vegas. That city is just DYING to have a NBA team. It would be the perfect market. I don't know much about the facilities, and I'm sure UNLV's facility isn't good enough but there is enough money in that town that if you put an arena close enough to the strip it would make a f*cking killing. Hell you could put a damn casino inside of the arena and a hotel. It would be a gold mine. I would move there right away, get season tickets and live gloriously.

88TG88
04-14-2011, 08:54 PM
Honest to god the NBA needs to move the Grizzlies, Bucks, Cavs or something like that to Las Vegas. That city is just DYING to have a NBA team. It would be the perfect market. I don't know much about the facilities, and I'm sure UNLV's facility isn't good enough but there is enough money in that town that if you put an arena close enough to the strip it would make a f*cking killing. Hell you could put a damn casino inside of the arena and a hotel. It would be a gold mine. I would move there right away, get season tickets and live gloriously.

I would travel there for a game or two. After the all star game debacle I doubt the commish approves, though.

Rams Fan
04-14-2011, 08:58 PM
Honest to god the NBA needs to move the Grizzlies, Bucks, Cavs or something like that to Las Vegas. That city is just DYING to have a NBA team. It would be the perfect market. I don't know much about the facilities, and I'm sure UNLV's facility isn't good enough but there is enough money in that town that if you put an arena close enough to the strip it would make a f*cking killing. Hell you could put a damn casino inside of the arena and a hotel. It would be a gold mine. I would move there right away, get season tickets and live gloriously.

The NBA isn't going to relocate the Cavs who have a good arena, Bucks aren't moving unless the Wisconsin senator sells the team and the Grizzlies aren't going anywhere unless they stink again. They also have a relatively new arena.

-King-
04-14-2011, 09:03 PM
Honest to god the NBA needs to move the Grizzlies, Bucks, Cavs or something like that to Las Vegas. That city is just DYING to have a NBA team. It would be the perfect market. I don't know much about the facilities, and I'm sure UNLV's facility isn't good enough but there is enough money in that town that if you put an arena close enough to the strip it would make a f*cking killing. Hell you could put a damn casino inside of the arena and a hotel. It would be a gold mine. I would move there right away, get season tickets and live gloriously.

Cavs are going nowhere. They had good attendance even though LeBron literally took Clevelands soul with him to South beach.

They were 3rd in attendance this year http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance

Grizzlies might move. They were rumored to be looking to relocate last year. I don't know anything about the Bucks though.

chiefsnorth
04-14-2011, 09:04 PM
Besides the Sprint center would LOSE money with a permanent resident... It is doing very well as is.

I guess if the place is selling out for concerts ther isn't any need for it to sit half empty for NBA games 40 nights a year.

BWillie
04-14-2011, 09:07 PM
I guess if the place is selling out for concerts ther isn't any need for it to sit half empty for NBA games 40 nights a year.

Just about every team in the NBA is over 80% for attendance, but thanks for trying to s*** on the NBA. Good try.

BWillie
04-14-2011, 09:09 PM
I would travel there for a game or two. After the all star game debacle I doubt the commish approves, though.

Exactly. It'd be so easy to plan a trip. Could probably gain a big following nationally from fans. Call them the Vegas High Rollers or something

Bewbies
04-14-2011, 09:10 PM
The players would LOVE to live in Vegas. Of course, they'd be broke, but they'd have a good time..

chiefsnorth
04-14-2011, 09:16 PM
Just about every team in the NBA is over 80% for attendance, but thanks for trying to s*** on the NBA. Good try.

Cities like Kansas City don't win titles in the NBA. They can hope to win the draft lottery and get the next big thing, and once in a while they do. But they have a small window after which they return to the status of the Washington Generals when their superstar goes off for the bright lights. With so many other options for basketball I don't see Kansas City supporting an NBA team with a ceiling of making a playoff appearance. It isn't Oklahoma City or Portland or Sacramento where they are the biggest thing in town. I don't think in the long term an NBA team can survive competing with two other basketball teams in the same market, and in one that isn't huge anyway

ChiefsCountry
04-15-2011, 01:09 AM
I don't think in the long term an NBA team can survive competing with two other basketball teams in the same market, and in one that isn't huge anyway

The fucking KU excuse. Okay KU fans, college basketball sucks balls compared to the NBA. Get the fuck over it. The best college game sucks compared to a regular season NBA game.

SNR
04-15-2011, 01:29 AM
The fucking KU excuse. Okay KU fans, college basketball sucks balls compared to the NBA. Get the fuck over it. The best college game sucks compared to a regular season NBA game.Yeah. I said earlier in the thread that it's fallacious to claim this is a college basketball region, so there's no way a pro team could sell tickets.. It's a college basketball region because there are no competitors for the market. And who says sports fans can't go to both college and pro games?

Sheesh, if you like basketball, then do both.

kysirsoze
04-15-2011, 02:07 AM
Yeah. I said earlier in the thread that it's fallacious to claim this is a college basketball region, so there's no way a pro team could sell tickets.. It's a college basketball region because there are no competitors for the market. And who says sports fans can't go to both college and pro games?

Sheesh, if you like basketball, then do both.

Plus the two games are pretty different for technically being the same sport. I think more competition would come from the Royals and Chiefs by far.

Deberg_1990
04-15-2011, 07:28 AM
Honest to god the NBA needs to move the Grizzlies, Bucks, Cavs or something like that to Las Vegas. That city is just DYING to have a NBA team. It would be the perfect market. I don't know much about the facilities, and I'm sure UNLV's facility isn't good enough but there is enough money in that town that if you put an arena close enough to the strip it would make a f*cking killing. Hell you could put a damn casino inside of the arena and a hotel. It would be a gold mine. I would move there right away, get season tickets and live gloriously.


Couple of reasons working against LV.

1. The stigma of gambling doesnt sit well with Pro sports organizations.
2. The NBA had the all star game in LV a few years ago and too many incidents gave the league a "black eye".

ROYC75
04-15-2011, 09:53 AM
The ****ing KU excuse. Okay KU fans, college basketball sucks balls compared to the NBA. Get the **** over it. The best college game sucks compared to a regular season NBA game.

Not to this fan, showboatball is not basketball. Get over yourself.

Saulbadguy
04-15-2011, 09:54 AM
The fucking KU excuse. Okay KU fans, college basketball sucks balls compared to the NBA. Get the fuck over it. The best college game sucks compared to a regular season NBA game.

I love that one. "THEY DON'T PLAY DEFENSE!!11"

-King-
04-15-2011, 09:59 AM
Not to this fan, showboatball is not basketball. Get over yourself.


In what way is college basketball better? They don't showboat in college basketball? Really? Is that the best reason you can come up with?
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L.A. Chieffan
04-15-2011, 10:01 AM
Kings announcers got emotional and stuff....I wonder if local KC announcers got this choked up when they left in the early 80's??


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lol did he say the iconic band tesla?

Saulbadguy
04-15-2011, 10:02 AM
In what way is college basketball better? They don't showboat in college basketball? Really? Is that the best reason you can come up with?
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Bearcat
04-15-2011, 10:32 AM
In what way is college basketball better? They don't showboat in college basketball? Really? Is that the best reason you can come up with?
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I really enjoy watching NBA talent... too bad the game is much more about flopping and fouling and getting to the line.

I went to a couple of Hawks games when I was in Atlanta for a few months, including a playoff game against the Heat... the atmosphere was great (even for Atlanta), and watching Wade take over was a thing of beauty... except, his dominance was mixed in with drawing contact and BS, and there were way too many whistles, so there was no flow to it and I never really got into the game. I try watching the playoffs every year, then I usually turn it off after I see some soccer-style flop, like watching LeBron drive on Paul Pierce, draw contact, and watching them both fall down in opposite directions.

Does that stuff happen in CBB? Of course it does... some games are called insanely tight, and I hate those games. Some players go out of their way to force contact, and I hate that part of the game.

Of course, around here it always comes down to those damn KU fans, but I wouldn't give it a chance each year if I didn't see the potential. I want to like the NBA, and supposedly there have been improvements this year as far as foul calling and flops or whatever, so I guess I'll give it another chance at some point during the playoffs. :shrug:

Chief Faithful
04-15-2011, 10:37 AM
The Kings are moving because they can make significantly more money in Anaheim. For example, Kings TV contract $18M while Lakers and Clippers contract is $200M. Another example is no parking space revenue in Sacarmento while Ahaheim will give 8,000 spaces. This does not even go into increased exposure, increased retail revenue, attractive location to players and sponsors. Plus, the city council in Sacramento is doing everything they can to poison the relationship between city government and the owners.

Second issue, the players don't want to play in small markets. The Lebron James move to Miami is not an issolated situation. The players know the big markets provide many more opportunities for exposure and money.

What is happening with the Kings is a microcosm of what is happening all across the NBA. It is the same struggle we see with MLB. I hope the Kings make the move.

SNR
04-15-2011, 10:56 AM
The Kings are moving because they can make significantly more money in Anaheim. For example, Kings TV contract $18M while Lakers and Clippers contract is $200M. Another example is no parking space revenue in Sacarmento while Ahaheim will give 8,000 spaces. This does not even go into increased exposure, increased retail revenue, attractive location to players and sponsors. Plus, the city council in Sacramento is doing everything they can to poison the relationship between city government and the owners.

Second issue, the players don't want to play in small markets. The Lebron James move to Miami is not an issolated situation. The players know the big markets provide many more opportunities for exposure and money.

What is happening with the Kings is a microcosm of what is happening all across the NBA. It is the same struggle we see with MLB. I hope the Kings make the move.So then put a team in San Diego.

18 million people or not, there's no way you're going to get a full house every game that's filled with fans of a new team. That's different than moving to a market like Oklahoma City where it's the only show in town, or even Kansas City, where there are a bunch of people that have wanted to see the NBA/NHL. Ten bucks says all the basketball fans in Anaheim are either Laker/Clipper fans and won't give a shit about the Kings in town.

Three teams for a city is too goddamn many no matter how populous the area is.

ChiefsCountry
04-15-2011, 11:05 AM
So then put a team in San Diego.

18 million people or not, there's no way you're going to get a full house every game that's filled with fans of a new team. That's different than moving to a market like Oklahoma City where it's the only show in town, or even Kansas City, where there are a bunch of people that have wanted to see the NBA/NHL. Ten bucks says all the basketball fans in Anaheim are either Laker/Clipper fans and won't give a shit about the Kings in town.

Three teams for a city is too goddamn many no matter how populous the area is.

I think the Clipper support in Orange County will switch to the Kings. Orange County is a different beast than LA.

-King-
04-15-2011, 12:31 PM
I think the Clipper support in Orange County will switch to the Kings. Orange County is a different beast than LA.

If that means that the Clips might look for relocation, I'm all for it. Id rather have the Clips than the Kings any day
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Reerun_KC
04-15-2011, 12:39 PM
Besides the Sprint center would LOSE money with a permanent resident... It is doing very well as is.


This is what people dont want to hear...

Chief Faithful
04-15-2011, 12:46 PM
So then put a team in San Diego.

18 million people or not, there's no way you're going to get a full house every game that's filled with fans of a new team. That's different than moving to a market like Oklahoma City where it's the only show in town, or even Kansas City, where there are a bunch of people that have wanted to see the NBA/NHL. Ten bucks says all the basketball fans in Anaheim are either Laker/Clipper fans and won't give a shit about the Kings in town.

Three teams for a city is too goddamn many no matter how populous the area is.

Big market, big money and a friendly invite from a city close to the owners home. I can't blame the Maloofs for choosing Anaheim.

Chocolate Hog
04-15-2011, 01:24 PM
The NBA is a joke anyway.

-King-
04-15-2011, 01:34 PM
The NBA is a joke anyway.

How?
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dirk digler
04-15-2011, 01:41 PM
You think an owner considering moving to KC wants to hear, "well, we'll support you if you're any good."

LA has shown they'll support a team regardless.

You have to go back to 2001 to find a year in which they averaged less than 16,000 in a 19,000 seat building. And they've had ONE season over .500 in that time period.

Outside of the huge markets I am sure that is the way in the other 26 cities.

You can't tell me KC would do any worse as say Charlotte, Minneapolis or Memphis

Short Leash Hootie
04-15-2011, 01:48 PM
I went to a Clippers/Thunder game this year at the Staples Center and got 2 tickets for $7 (total, not each)

Short Leash Hootie
04-15-2011, 01:49 PM
and each beer I bought was $9.50

-King-
04-15-2011, 02:42 PM
I went to a Clippers/Thunder game this year at the Staples Center and got 2 tickets for $7 (total, not each)

What? You mean 70?
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-King-
04-16-2011, 12:30 AM
NEW YORK – Commissioner David Stern announced Friday at the conclusion of the NBA Board of Governors meetings that the deadline for the Sacramento Kings to file for relocation to Anaheim has been extended from April 18 until May 2.
http://www.ocregister.com/sports/anaheim-296583-stern-sacramento.html

SDChiefs
04-16-2011, 10:09 PM
Was that the Blues average ticket price?

I can get very decent kings tickets at staples for 15 bucks a pop. I don't know where the 100 number comes from.

L.A. Chieffan
04-17-2011, 01:36 PM
I went to a Clippers/Thunder game this year at the Staples Center and got 2 tickets for $7 (total, not each)

i was at that game too

ChiefsandO'sfan
04-22-2011, 05:32 PM
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88TG88
04-22-2011, 05:51 PM
Good, orange county blows anyways.

ChiefsCountry
04-22-2011, 06:12 PM
Good hopefully KC can be in the running now.

-King-
04-22-2011, 09:28 PM
If they remain in Sac, are they going to sign a new lease there or just be on a year to year basis?