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Coogs
04-18-2011, 01:53 PM
http://www.gbnreport.com/

Here is how the draft is unfolding so far...

http://www.gbnreport.com/fanmockdraftstats.html

Coogs
04-18-2011, 02:04 PM
Depending what Tampa does, but I am leaning O-line. OT Sherrod, OT Carimi, or C Pouncey.

Chiefnj2
04-18-2011, 02:41 PM
Pouncey isn't a center.

BigCatDaddy
04-18-2011, 02:45 PM
Mallett is getting a lot of 1st round support among the fan bases.

Chiefnj2
04-18-2011, 02:54 PM
If you are a strict best available athlete GM you'd probably go between Wilkerson or Smith. Neither of which would be very popular on the Planet.

BigCatDaddy
04-18-2011, 02:56 PM
If you are a strict best available athlete GM you'd probably go between Wilkerson or Smith. Neither of which would be very popular on the Planet.

You would see Wilkerson support, but yeah Smith would cause a meltdown.

Chiefnj2
04-18-2011, 03:02 PM
As far as the DE converting to OLB, I have no idea which guy will be able to transition and which won't. To me it's a roll of the dice with Houston, Sheard, Kerrigan, Reed and even the kid from Fresno. I've even come not to hate Ayers at this point.

Coogs
04-18-2011, 05:27 PM
If you are a strict best available athlete GM you'd probably go between Wilkerson or Smith. Neither of which would be very popular on the Planet.

Jimmy Smith? The other two Smith's are gone. And the Pouncey at C thing seems to be OK with several other teams that were casting ballots.

Pestilence
04-18-2011, 05:38 PM
I would personally go with Carimi.

JASONSAUTO
04-18-2011, 05:56 PM
Fuck pouncey at center.
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Chiefnj2
04-18-2011, 06:00 PM
Jimmy Smith? The other two Smith's are gone. And the Pouncey at C thing seems to be OK with several other teams that were casting ballots.

Jimmy Smith. Watch clips of him. He's a great man on man corner. Very physical bump and run. Pouncey is not his brother. He's a great guard, but struggles at center - especially shotgun snaps. I'm pretty sure this board's die hard gator fan said he's very limited at center.

JASONSAUTO
04-18-2011, 06:01 PM
Awesome guy did say that.

I also saw it quite a few times myself
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ForeverChiefs58
04-18-2011, 06:49 PM
Fuck pouncey at center.
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While most do admit he is better suited at guard, many said the same last year about his twin brother. Many also say his brother is a little better, more athletic, but Mike was versitile enough to be used at G, C and OT as well as d-line. Also, for being better as a guard, the gators seemed set on rather having him being their starting center.

He would be a more natural guard but shouldn't have a problem developing as a center. Whatever he is drafted for, check that position off the list of need positions, cause he will be good at it. It is in his DNA to dominate.

SNR
04-18-2011, 06:55 PM
Jimmy Smith. Watch clips of him. He's a great man on man corner. Very physical bump and run. Pouncey is not his brother. He's a great guard, but struggles at center - especially shotgun snaps. I'm pretty sure this board's die hard gator fan said he's very limited at center.Whup, can't do that. Damaged goods. Got the Patriot Way to live up to.

Coogs
04-18-2011, 07:18 PM
Jimmy Smith. Watch clips of him. He's a great man on man corner. Very physical bump and run. Pouncey is not his brother. He's a great guard, but struggles at center - especially shotgun snaps. I'm pretty sure this board's die hard gator fan said he's very limited at center.

I saw/heard him talking about is shotgun snaps once during the season. He seemed very intelligent about the situation, and took ful responsiblility for the miss snaps. Said he was going to work very hard to overcome his problems with that skill.

I would consider him in the first, and grabbing a RT like Franklin later. Or I would consider Sherrod/Carimi in the 1st, and Hudson in the 2nd at C. JMO, as I think the O-line needs upgrading more that any particular area. JMO.

ChiefsCountry
04-18-2011, 07:25 PM
Akeem Ayers is the obivous pick.

Coogs
04-18-2011, 07:30 PM
Tampa took Clayborn. Here are the updated results, and we are on the clock until 1:00PM Eastern tomorrow.

http://www.gbnreport.com/fanmockdraftstats.html

Saccopoo
04-19-2011, 12:18 AM
Chiefs biggest needs, in order, as it relates to the GBN draft:

1. Nose Tackle
- Phil Taylor is a big reach in the first round, at that was before the foot situation came to light.

2. Wide Receiver
- With AJ Green and Jones off the board, Jon Baldwin is the next best prospect. Big and fast. He's a legit option at #21 for the Chiefs.

3. Center
- I'm not sold on Mike Pouncey as a NFL center.

4. Offensive Tackle
- Costanzo went to the Giants. Of the remaining top tackles left, Derek Sherrod has the size and athleticism to play either tackle spot in the Chiefs zone scheme. This flexibility gives him the nod over the others.

5. Sam Outside Linebacker
- Akeem Ayers would be a viable pick in the second or third round. However, his lack of strength and speed is going to hinder his development at the next level. His best position in the NFL will probably be inside to cover up his lack of burst and pursuit speed.

6. Quarterback
- I think Ponder is legit and would not be there in the second. He bulked up to 230 for his pro day and received raves about his accuracy and arm strength. He's more accurate than Locker and is more mentally ready to be a NFL QB than Mallet. I think that the guy would be an absolute stud in Haley's offense.

7. Running Back
- Thomas Jones is, by NFL running back standards, old and Jamall is too small to be a true full time running back. Mark Ingram is still on the board. He's a big back with exceptional vision and would allow the Chiefs to maintain a high level of productivity at the position while running a committee approach.

So, the possible picks for the Chiefs would be:

Jon Baldwin
Derek Sherrod
Christian Ponder
Mark Ingram

That's really a nice little pool to pick from in actuality. Tough call...all are really nice players that would fit in well.

I want to go with Ponder, but Cassel is coming off a season where he really matured as a player and showed some stuff that I never thought he would do. As well, we just hired Zorn, who has worked magic with other quarterbacks.

Baldwin is a stud and he's got the tools to be a really good receiver at the next level. However, we have Bowe as the #1 and I think that we can pick up a #2 WR later in the draft. Same thing with Ingram having Charles as your key RB.

However, with the tackle spot, we've got Albert and Richardson. Unless that gets upgraded you will always worry about pass protection issues and decent run blocking, particularly in short yardage/red zone situations.

Sherrod by a gnat hair over Ponder.

No, wait...

Screw that. I take Ponder. I think that he's totally legit and would kill it in Haley's offense.

Coogs
04-19-2011, 08:27 AM
I like the thought of a QB, but just can not see us doing that in the 1st round. I'm going with Pouncey at C, but just barely over Carimi/Sherrod.

RedThat
04-19-2011, 08:28 AM
The pick should be Pouncey its a no-brainer. If he falls to us at that point, they should go with him.

Chiefnj2
04-19-2011, 09:14 AM
The pick should be Pouncey its a no-brainer. If he falls to us at that point, they should go with him.

Why?? KC has Lilja, Asamoah and probably Waters this year.

TRR
04-19-2011, 09:24 AM
Why?? KC has Lilja, Asamoah and probably Waters this year.

Agreed. If Pouncey truly isn't a starting center than I pass on him in the 1st. KC has too many needs at other positions to spend a 1st on an OG.
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Coogs
04-19-2011, 09:38 AM
Agreed. If Pouncey truly isn't a starting center than I pass on him in the 1st. KC has too many needs at other positions to spend a 1st on an OG.
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He is getting a lot of attention at C nationally. ChiefsPlanet... not so much. Go figure. ;)

Ebolapox
04-19-2011, 09:45 AM
I voted for carimi, you're welcome.

Saccopoo
04-19-2011, 09:55 AM
He is getting a lot of attention at C nationally. ChiefsPlanet... not so much. Go figure. ;)

As I stated elsewhere, after the snap, he was a man amongst boys. However, even to the last game last season, he was still having problems with the handoff. If you take him at center, he's a project that might never get it. Kind of like Wisniewski. Sure, he made some All-Conference teams his junior year at the center position, but it was on reputation and what he did after the snap. He struggled with the handoff and was moved back to guard for his senior year.

Either you get it or you don't at center. Because a guy plays guard really well doesn't mean he can play center. Because a guy's brother plays center doesn't mean he can play center.

At this point, the guy is a guard. And, in all honesty, he's not even the best guard in the draft. Rod Hudson is that guy. And unless you are a team like New England, who has most roster spots filled and has a boat load of picks in the first two rounds and has need of a guard, you never take a guard in the first. Especially if you are the Chiefs, having substantially more important holes to fill. Besides, we already took a guard in the first in 2008.

The Chiefs don't need projects, they need guys who can step in a play the position at a high level.

SNR
04-19-2011, 10:22 AM
#21 is too high for Pouncey. A guy like Carimi could and probably will be more dominant at the RT position than Pouncey will as a guard in the pros.

My wish list for offensive linemen this draft (in order):

1. Carimi
2. Sherrod
3. Costonzo

I don't see any center prospects I like for 21 overall. That need will have to be addressed by one of the fantastic prospects available in the later rounds

Coogs
04-19-2011, 11:08 AM
We voted Carimi. Here are the results...

21 Kansas City OT Gabe Carimi 35% 151(total votes)
C Mike Pouncey (24%); NT Phil Taylor (10%); OT Derek Sherrod (8%); LB Akeem Ayers (7%); OT Nate Solder (5%)

Chiefnj2
04-19-2011, 11:12 AM
We voted Carimi. Here is the results...

21 Kansas City OT Gabe Carimi 35% 151(total votes)
C Mike Pouncey (24%); NT Phil Taylor (10%); OT Derek Sherrod (8%); LB Akeem Ayers (7%); OT Nate Solder (5%)

Carimi's run blocking is out of this world, but you can find lots of clips of speed DE's abusing the hell out of him. If KC takes him, I hope Moeaki doesn't mind chipping a lot.

Saccopoo
04-19-2011, 12:05 PM
Carimi's run blocking is out of this world, but you can find lots of clips of speed DE's abusing the hell out of him. If KC takes him, I hope Moeaki doesn't mind chipping a lot.

It's why I prefer Sherrod over Carimi at this point. Better pass blocking, primarily due to his arm/hand use and ability to stay centered even when taking on two defenders.

At this point Carimi has a tendency to lunge a bit (not like Albert though, who almost dives at guys, especially on the second level and ends up on the ground or watching the play go by him). I think this is more due to the Wisconsin run attack and Carimi's aggressive, nasty nature on the field. Right now, he's a RT, but has the athleticism and intelligence to hopefully get coached up.

BigCatDaddy
04-19-2011, 12:08 PM
Carimi's run blocking is out of this world, but you can find lots of clips of speed DE's abusing the hell out of him. If KC takes him, I hope Moeaki doesn't mind chipping a lot.

Sounds like our current RT.

milkman
04-19-2011, 12:12 PM
It's why I prefer Sherrod over Carimi at this point. Better pass blocking, primarily due to his arm/hand use and ability to stay centered even when taking on two defenders.

At this point Carimi has a tendency to lunge a bit (not like Albert though, who almost dives at guys, especially on the second level and ends up on the ground or watching the play go by him). I think this is more due to the Wisconsin run attack and Carimi's aggressive, nasty nature on the field. Right now, he's a RT, but has the athleticism and intelligence to hopefully get coached up.

How do they compare to Asomoah at OT?

Bewbies
04-19-2011, 12:14 PM
How do they compare to Asomoah at OT?

I don't know of any of those guys can play LT by default as well.

Saccopoo
04-19-2011, 12:17 PM
How do they compare to Asomoah at OT?

Eh...Asamoah definitely has the edge experience wise, but I think that both Sherrod and Carimi would eventually supplant the multi-faceted Asamoah due to their length. However, we can all sleep well knowing that Jon gives us a solid backup at all five OL positions as well as place holder and nickleback.

Saccopoo
04-19-2011, 12:19 PM
I don't know of any of those guys can play LT by default as well.

Well, that's merely a function of being the left guard in the current Chiefs roster/offensive lineup more so than anything else. If Carimi or Sherrod were plugged into the LG spot, they too would play the left tackle position by default.

milkman
04-19-2011, 12:25 PM
Eh...Asamoah definitely has the edge experience wise, but I think that both Sherrod and Carimi would eventually supplant the multi-faceted Asamoah due to their length. However, we can all sleep well knowing that Jon gives us a solid backup at all five OL positions as well as place holder and nickleback.

You don't get it, do you dumbass?

You use all these nice big words and post pictures to make it appear that you have a clue.

But then you can't even fucking tell the difference between OT and TE when Asomoah lines up at TE, and you think anyone believes you actually have a fucking clue?

You have a nice firm grasp on the English language.
Congratulations for that, but you're still a clueless fucking dumbass.

Bewbies
04-19-2011, 12:27 PM
You don't get it, do you dumbass?

You use all these nice big words and post pictures to make it appear that you have a clue.

But then you can't even ****ing tell the difference between OT and TE when Asomoah lines up at TE, and you think anyone believes you actually have a ****ing clue?

You have a nice firm grasp on the English language.
Congratulations for that, but you're still a clueless ****ing dumbass.

Albert was busy 10 yards up field laying on his face.

Saccopoo
04-19-2011, 12:30 PM
You don't get it, do you dumbass?

You use all these nice big words and post pictures to make it appear that you have a clue.

But then you can't even ****ing tell the difference between OT and TE when Asomoah lines up at TE, and you think anyone believes you actually have a ****ing clue?

You have a nice firm grasp on the English language.
Congratulations for that, but you're still a clueless ****ing dumbass.

How was he on the post pattern when he lined up at TE? Did he hit his mark and really dig in on his cut?

Or did he stick around and block a little bit?

I can't remember.

Personally, I think I'm going with Asamoah at left tackle, which would have made Albert the outer left guard. It's a better position for him anyway. He's got the college experience working for him when he lines up at the OLG spot.

Saccopoo
04-19-2011, 12:31 PM
Albert was busy 10 yards up field laying on his face.

There's a 97% likelihood that this is true.

milkman
04-19-2011, 12:37 PM
How was he on the post pattern when he lined up at TE? Did he hit his mark and really dig in on his cut?

Or did he stick around and block a little bit?

I can't remember.

Personally, I think I'm going with Asamoah at left tackle, which would have made Albert the outer left guard. It's a better position for him anyway. He's got the college experience working for him when he lines up at the OLG spot.

I don't give a rat's ass if he ran into the stands and mooned the fans after the ball was snapped.

The fact remains, dumbass, he lined up at TE, and you didn't recognize that.

Saccopoo
04-19-2011, 12:44 PM
I don't give a rat's ass if he ran into the stands and mooned the fans after the ball was snapped.

The fact remains, dumbass, he lined up at TE, and you didn't recognize that.

I think I was so giddy about Albert finally getting yanked due to suckitude that I didn't notice that he was still on the field next to Asamoah. It's not like anyone notices him anyway when he's on the field. Well, other than being a pile of road kill laying in the middle of the field that Charles has to maneuver around on runs to the left.

Detoxing
04-19-2011, 12:44 PM
As I stated elsewhere, after the snap, he was a man amongst boys. However, even to the last game last season, he was still having problems with the handoff. If you take him at center, he's a project that might never get it. Kind of like Wisniewski. Sure, he made some All-Conference teams his junior year at the center position, but it was on reputation and what he did after the snap. He struggled with the handoff and was moved back to guard for his senior year.

Either you get it or you don't at center. Because a guy plays guard really well doesn't mean he can play center. Because a guy's brother plays center doesn't mean he can play center.

At this point, the guy is a guard. And, in all honesty, he's not even the best guard in the draft. Rod Hudson is that guy. And unless you are a team like New England, who has most roster spots filled and has a boat load of picks in the first two rounds and has need of a guard, you never take a guard in the first. Especially if you are the Chiefs, having substantially more important holes to fill. Besides, we already took a guard in the first in 2008.

The Chiefs don't need projects, they need guys who can step in a play the position at a high level.

Snapping the ball is your main concern? Really? You honestly think that a guy with that kind of talent won't figure out how to consistantly snap the ball?

That's a risk I'm willing to take. If you end up being right, fine, we'll still have a great guard. His upside is well worth the risk IMO.

milkman
04-19-2011, 12:48 PM
I think I was so giddy about Albert finally getting yanked due to suckitude that I didn't notice that he was still on the field next to Asamoah. It's not like anyone notices him anyway when he's on the field. Well, other than being a pile of road kill laying in the middle of the field that Charles has to maneuver around on runs to the left.

No.
Giddiness is not an excuse.

You are simply a dumbass.

Saccopoo
04-19-2011, 12:55 PM
Snapping the ball is your main concern? Really? You honestly think that a guy with that kind of talent won't figure out how to consistantly snap the ball?

That's a risk I'm willing to take. If you end up being right, fine, we'll still have a great guard. His upside is well worth the risk IMO.

For a guy playing center, yes, snapping the ball proficiently would be a main concern of mine.

And I don't know if he'll figure it out. I watched Florida's last game in 2010, and he was still screwing up the snap/handoff.

And as I stated, I don't think he's even the best guard in this draft. That honor would go to Rod Hudson of Florida State, who has also played some center in his career. I think Hudson would be a better fit for the zone scheme the Chiefs run anyway versus Pouncey, who's more of a mauler type.

It's not a bad pick if you think he can play the center spot. Not a great pick, but not bad. I think you can get a good center much later in the draft this year. Guys like Linnenkohl, Taylor, Barnes, Kirkpatrick, Baxter and Bartholomew would be nice fits for this system and have long term experience at the pivot.

Ebolapox
04-19-2011, 02:31 PM
yeah, sacc's pretty much a towel.

RedThat
04-19-2011, 04:06 PM
Why?? KC has Lilja, Asamoah and probably Waters this year.

Pouncey>Lilja

Pouncey>Waters

That is all. Nuff said.

Pestilence
04-19-2011, 04:07 PM
Pouncey>Lilja

Pouncey>Waters

That is all. Nuff said.

Yeah....let's draft ANOTHER guard.

SNR
04-19-2011, 04:12 PM
Pouncey>Lilja

Pouncey>Waters

That is all. Nuff said.You just made a convincing argument for drafting a QB in the first round.

All QBs in this draft > Cassel

factortobe
04-19-2011, 06:03 PM
OT Gabe Carimiis a great pick I would be happy

ChiefMojo
04-19-2011, 08:17 PM
Right now I'm leaning towards Gabe Carimi in the 1st round also. Sure the likes of Taylor or Ayers would be nice, but Carimi is such a monster when it comes to run blocking. I think he fits best for what the Chiefs need to win ball games. There are other NT's and OLB's that can do a very good job in this draft. Carimi is a Jake Long clone imho.

Mr. Laz
04-19-2011, 08:20 PM
Yeah....let's draft ANOTHER guard.some people think he's going to be a Center

RedThat
04-19-2011, 08:23 PM
Yeah....let's draft ANOTHER guard.

Its not like our guards amount to anything special anyway imo. May not be a bad idea.

Mr. Laz
04-19-2011, 09:11 PM
Its not like our guards amount to anything special anyway imo. May not be a bad idea.
we don't really need a guard imo

Lilja was very solid last year
Asomaoh is waiting in the wings
Harris looked pretty good before he got injured
i wouldn't be shocked to see Waters back

unless Asomoah is going to center, we dont' need a guard. We need OT's and a stud center.

Coogs
04-20-2011, 07:28 AM
some people think he's going to be a Center

Here is a write up from Schrager at FoxSports.com in a Mock Draft today...

Mike Pouncey, OG/C, Florida: Pouncey is not as highly regarded a prospect as his identical twin Maurkice was last year. That said, he’s a surefire prospect and a long-term answer for Miami’s interior offensive line woes. Pouncey’s game tape reveals a guy who can play either center or guard and can block on the move. He’s got great speed for a big guy, can protect in the passing game, and has a mean streak you like to see in a center. Again, not the sexiest of picks, but a potential 10-year starter at either guard or center, I like Pouncey going to Miami.

...He like him going to Miami at 15. If he falls to 21, I'll take this guy for C for us for the next 10 years. Might be the only guy here that thinks that way, but I have stood alone before. :shrug:

Chiefnj2
04-20-2011, 07:44 AM
Here is a write up from Schrager at FoxSports.com in a Mock Draft today...

Mike Pouncey, OG/C, Florida: Pouncey is not as highly regarded a prospect as his identical twin Maurkice was last year. That said, he’s a surefire prospect and a long-term answer for Miami’s interior offensive line woes. Pouncey’s game tape reveals a guy who can play either center or guard and can block on the move. He’s got great speed for a big guy, can protect in the passing game, and has a mean streak you like to see in a center. Again, not the sexiest of picks, but a potential 10-year starter at either guard or center, I like Pouncey going to Miami.

...He like him going to Miami at 15. If he falls to 21, I'll take this guy for C for us for the next 10 years. Might be the only guy here that thinks that way, but I have stood alone before. :shrug:

Peter King on Pouncey:

"I think for all of you who think Mike Pouncey is the second coming of his twin, Steelers Pro Bowl center Maurkice, think of this: Mike Pouncey, in his first year playing center last fall (following in his brother's footsteps) had about 100 mis-snaps to the quarterback in the shotgun. I don't mean fumbled snaps necessarily, or snaps over the quarterback's head in the shotgun. I just mean snaps that the quarterback had to reach for and were not on target. I've spoken with a scout who's very interested in Pouncey but sees him as a guard. "Too much inaccuracy on the snaps,'' he said. "That can be practiced, and it should be. But you can't draft him expecting him to play center at a high level early like his brother.''

Coogs
04-20-2011, 08:37 AM
Peter King on Pouncey:

"I think for all of you who think Mike Pouncey is the second coming of his twin, Steelers Pro Bowl center Maurkice, think of this: Mike Pouncey, in his first year playing center last fall (following in his brother's footsteps) had about 100 mis-snaps to the quarterback in the shotgun. I don't mean fumbled snaps necessarily, or snaps over the quarterback's head in the shotgun. I just mean snaps that the quarterback had to reach for and were not on target. I've spoken with a scout who's very interested in Pouncey but sees him as a guard. "Too much inaccuracy on the snaps,'' he said. "That can be practiced, and it should be. But you can't draft him expecting him to play center at a high level early like his brother.''

Like I said, I'll stand alone. I'm OK with doing that.

Chiefnj2
04-20-2011, 08:39 AM
Like I said, I'll stand alone. I'm OK with doing that.

You think Pouncey can come in and start at center week 1 of the 2011 season (assuming it exists)?

Coogs
04-20-2011, 09:30 AM
You think Pouncey can come in and start at center week 1 of the 2011 season (assuming it exists)?

Yeah, I do.

You see, I don't see Super Bowl at the end of next season for us. I hope I am wrong, but I don't see it. Get the O-line set... let them play for a year together... whatever pitfalls that come with that this season... then we are set for several years to come, when that Super Bowl thing becomes more of a reality than fantasy.

Bewbies
04-20-2011, 10:46 AM
Yeah, I do.

You see, I don't see Super Bowl at the end of next season for us. I hope I am wrong, but I don't see it. Get the O-line set... let them play for a year together... whatever pitfalls that come with that this season... then we are set for several years to come, when that Super Bowl thing becomes more of a reality than fantasy.

I tend to think a QB is far more likely to make that happen than a C. Just sayin.

Coogs
04-20-2011, 10:55 AM
I tend to think a QB is far more likely to make that happen than a C. Just sayin.

I've been riding in that bandwagon for years. I'm with ya!

talastan
04-20-2011, 11:07 AM
I'd be okay with an OL pick at 21, worst case scenario is we are building up our O-line for our QBotF, or Cassel gets the protection he'll need for this year. I hope that being the case we get some guys in the interior whether at the top of the draft or later rounds that can get some push up the middle for our RBs.

philfree
04-20-2011, 06:18 PM
72% of the votes were for an OT.


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