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Mr. Laz
04-20-2011, 12:03 PM
to have own seat at NFL/NFLPA negotiating table.

breaking on ESPN now


[/edit] just saw something that said group was small about 70 players currently

Bwana
04-20-2011, 12:04 PM
Good

Detoxing
04-20-2011, 12:06 PM
I just saw that on Rotoworld awhile ago. It had mentioned that some of the players are getting tired of D. Smith's hard stance and were pissed that negotiations were broken off in March.

vailpass
04-20-2011, 12:08 PM
I just saw that on Rotoworld awhile ago. It had mentioned that some of the players are getting tired of D. Smith's hard stance and were pissed that negotiations were broken off in March.

Thanks, I hadn't heard that. I totally understand where those players are coming from.

Chocolate Hog
04-20-2011, 12:09 PM
Sooo now what?

BigMeatballDave
04-20-2011, 12:10 PM
Possible mutiny?

cabletech94
04-20-2011, 12:12 PM
dee smith thrown overboard?

vailpass
04-20-2011, 12:12 PM
Sooo now what?

If the players are truly no longer unionized then they are all free to seek individual counsel. I wonder how owners would respond to break-away players saying they wanted to work directly with them to get back to work?

seaofred
04-20-2011, 12:17 PM
This could be great news!

Mr. Laz
04-20-2011, 12:17 PM
If the players are truly no longer unionized then they are all free to seek individual counsel. I wonder how owners would respond to break-away players saying they wanted to work directly with them to get back to work?If they are smart the owners would immediately start private negotiations with the splinter groups and try to get some positive press about it.

"Owners and Splinter Group of Players make headway to long term Deal"


something like that, then start playing the groups against each other.

Make Dee Smith the "bad guy"

sedated
04-20-2011, 12:18 PM
Splitting of the players group cannot be good for the players. I’d bet the owners stalled hoping that this would happen.

vailpass
04-20-2011, 12:20 PM
If they are smart the owners would immediately start private negotiations with the splinter groups and try to get some positive press about it.

"Owners and Splinter Group of Players make headway to long term Deal"


something like that, then start playing the groups against each other.

Kinda' what I was getting at. Be funny as hell if all the players went back except for Brady, Manning, Brees and the other named players in the anti-trust suit.

Chocolate Hog
04-20-2011, 12:21 PM
Cool so we can have guys like Glen Dorsey playing alongside the replacement players!

Detoxing
04-20-2011, 12:22 PM
Kinda' what I was getting at. Be funny as hell if all the players went back except for Brady, Manning, Brees and the other named players in the anti-trust suit.

We would be less Waters and Vrabel! Oh Noes! What ever would we do?

Mr. Flopnuts
04-20-2011, 12:23 PM
Cool so we can have guys like Glen Dorsey playing alongside the replacement players!

If it was TJax he'd fit right in.

Mr. Laz
04-20-2011, 12:24 PM
Kinda' what I was getting at. Be funny as hell if all the players went back except for Brady, Manning, Brees and the other named players in the anti-trust suit.
works for me!!! ROFL

Chiefnj2
04-20-2011, 12:25 PM
It's a positive for the owners to break the players, but also makes it impossible for the owners to negotiate.

Mr. Laz
04-20-2011, 12:30 PM
It's a positive for the owners to break the players, but also makes it impossible for the owners to negotiate.
why can't owners negotiate?

if nothing else it gives the owners room to negotiate more by possibly talking to splinter group privately.

Saul Good
04-20-2011, 12:33 PM
It's a positive for the owners to break the players, but also makes it impossible for the owners to negotiate.

The owners don't need to negotiate. This is a siege, and the owners are on the outside. Jerry Jones and Clark Hunt aren't taking out payday loans. The players' position is a house of cards, and it crumbles more every day.

vailpass
04-20-2011, 12:50 PM
It's a positive for the owners to break the players, but also makes it impossible for the owners to negotiate.

IMHO the NFLPA leaders would recognize a breach and act quickly to preserve the union by returning to the table and making a deal. They would come out of it walking bowlegged and smelling like good scotch and leather but they would make a deal.

vailpass
04-20-2011, 12:50 PM
The owners don't need to negotiate. This is a siege, and the owners are on the outside. Jerry Jones and Clark Hunt aren't taking out payday loans. The players' position is a house of cards, and it crumbles more every day.

Yep.

Bwana
04-20-2011, 01:03 PM
IMHO the NFLPA leaders would recognize a breach and act quickly to preserve the union by returning to the table and making a deal. They would come out of it walking bowlegged and smelling like good scotch and leather but they would make a deal.

I bet this is exactly what happens.

the Talking Can
04-20-2011, 01:06 PM
whatever it is, it isn't good news for the union

Groves
04-20-2011, 01:40 PM
A former Players Union now Association divided against itself cannot stand.

Chiefnj2
04-20-2011, 02:22 PM
why can't owners negotiate?

if nothing else it gives the owners room to negotiate more by possibly talking to splinter group privately.

It's unreasonable to reach agreements with splinter groups. Any agreement wouldn't be binding with anybody else.

Mr. Laz
04-20-2011, 02:24 PM
It's unreasonable to reach agreements with splinter groups. Any agreement wouldn't be binding with anybody else.
yea, but any discussion would force the other part of the players union to deal or get left behind.

Saul Good
04-20-2011, 02:26 PM
It's unreasonable to reach agreements with splinter groups. Any agreement wouldn't be binding with anybody else.

True, but it shows that the owners ARE willing to negotiate and that the owners' demands aren't altogether unreasonable. Plus, it sets precedent which might be a useful tool for the larger negotiation.

Steron
04-20-2011, 02:32 PM
Cut em all and have a complete redraft! Or bring in the scabs!

I kinda feel bad that I really don't give a shit if we have an NFL season or not. Rich people arguing over money gets on my nerves.

Chiefnj2
04-20-2011, 02:32 PM
yea, but any discussion would force the other part of the players union to deal or get left behind.

Nobody is getting left behind because the owners aren't going to negotiate with different groups on a piecemeal basis.

Saul Good
04-20-2011, 02:43 PM
Nobody is getting left behind because the owners aren't going to negotiate with different groups on a piecemeal basis.

Like hell.

DA_T_84
04-20-2011, 02:46 PM
Fuckin' scabs

Rain Man
04-20-2011, 02:50 PM
I hope the splinter group is all of the Chiefs, and the main group strikes but the Chiefs reach agreement. Jamaal Charles would have about 4,000 rushing against a league of scabs.

talastan
04-20-2011, 03:04 PM
I hope the splinter group is all of the Chiefs, and the main group strikes but the Chiefs reach agreement. Jamaal Charles would have about 4,000 rushing against a league of scabs.

The league wouldn't count it knowing our luck. :huh:

Mr. Laz
04-20-2011, 06:09 PM
Nobody is getting left behind because the owners aren't going to negotiate with different groups on a piecemeal basis.

Like hell.Like hell.

they will negotiate with any group of players who they think can give them leverage on the whole. If they think talking to this splinter group will drive a wedge or start a movement to leaving the current player leadership behind they will jump at it(or at least they should).

milkman
04-20-2011, 06:11 PM
These players aren't saying they want to negotiate separately.

They are saying they want to sit at the table in the ongoing negotiations.

BigMeatballDave
04-20-2011, 06:57 PM
Cut em all and have a complete redraft! Or bring in the scabs!

I kinda feel bad that I really don't give a shit if we have an NFL season or not. Kill yourself

factortobe
04-20-2011, 07:26 PM
These players aren't saying they want to negotiate separately.

They are saying they want to sit at the table in the ongoing negotiations.

And they should nflpa Smith is not doing them justice apparently :thumb:

notorious
04-20-2011, 07:43 PM
Divide and Conquer.


The Owners are going to rape the players without the use of Vaseline.

Garcia Bronco
04-20-2011, 08:19 PM
And they should nflpa Smith is not doing them justice apparently :thumb:

The NFLPA no longer exists. He's just a lawyer for some guys now.

jrowe
04-20-2011, 08:46 PM
I think this is a good move for the players. When the union decertified, the owners claimed it was a ruse and that they should still have antitrust exemption. In other words, be able to lock the players out. This shows that there truly is no functioning players union. They no longer represent the players as a whole.

So, the courts may be more motivated to rule that the owners can't lock the players out, end the lockout, and ensure football under last years rules until a new deal can be agreed upon.

Marcellus
04-20-2011, 08:47 PM
These players aren't saying they want to negotiate separately.

They are saying they want to sit at the table in the ongoing negotiations.

Regardless its not good for the current players bargaining group.

Vrabel's comment says it all. They aren't happy about it.

milkman
04-20-2011, 08:53 PM
Regardless its not good for the current players bargaining group.

Vrabel's comment says it all. They aren't happy about it.

Seemsto me like jrowe, in the post just before yours, makes a very good point.

It might actually prove to be a very good move for the players.

Marcellus
04-20-2011, 09:10 PM
Seemsto me like jrowe, in the post just before yours, makes a very good point.

It might actually prove to be a very good move for the players.

Oh I agree if the players look to be fragmented and a disaster, the court may rule to just play under previous rules, thinking the mess is too big to correct in a timely manner.

I still don't see that as the "plan" the players have. While it plays short term into their initial need to play and get paid, it looks potentially bad for the long run on their side.

factortobe
04-20-2011, 09:45 PM
The NFLPA no longer exists. He's just a lawyer for some guys now.

Still Smith has a hidden agenda that doesn't sit well with all of the players :thumb:

bowener
04-20-2011, 10:14 PM
Still Smith has a hidden agenda that doesn't sit well with all of the players :thumb:
If it is hidden, how would you know he has one?

factortobe
04-20-2011, 10:31 PM
If it is hidden, how would you know he has one?

There is a matter of trust you have to have in a leader and Smith is losing it :thumb:

dtebbe
04-21-2011, 06:26 AM
And so it begins... the rats are headed for the water! ROFL

DT

Chiefnj2
04-21-2011, 07:14 AM
Like hell.

they will negotiate with any group of players who they think can give them leverage on the whole. If they think talking to this splinter group will drive a wedge or start a movement to leaving the current player leadership behind they will jump at it(or at least they should).

No they won't. At the end of the day there has to be a union or a steering committee that speaks on behalf of all the players at the negotiations. The NFL isn't, nor should they, sit down with a small splinter group and negotiate. It's pointless.

Say the splinter group of 20 players are all ages 32 and older. They may only care about available free money for long time vets and post nfl medical benefits. They could care less about rookie salaries or the cap 4-5 years down the line. They could negotiate great terms for the two things they care about and concede on all the rest. That isn't going to fly with the remaining 1680 players. It doesn't help the overall negotiations.

Bewbies
04-21-2011, 07:40 AM
No they won't. At the end of the day there has to be a union or a steering committee that speaks on behalf of all the players at the negotiations. The NFL isn't, nor should they, sit down with a small splinter group and negotiate. It's pointless.

Say the splinter group of 20 players are all ages 32 and older. They may only care about available free money for long time vets and post nfl medical benefits. They could care less about rookie salaries or the cap 4-5 years down the line. They could negotiate great terms for the two things they care about and concede on all the rest. That isn't going to fly with the remaining 1680 players. It doesn't help the overall negotiations.

Clearly this helps the players and hurts the owners. LMAO