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petegz28
04-20-2011, 08:41 PM
He's done. Get him out.

SPchief
04-20-2011, 08:41 PM
Someone go talk to him

Sure-Oz
04-20-2011, 08:41 PM
Cmon Luke!

BigMeatballDave
04-20-2011, 08:41 PM
I'm setting my AIDS tree on fire now guys...

KCUnited
04-20-2011, 08:41 PM
The Treaning wheels are falling off.

alnorth
04-20-2011, 08:41 PM
Even if he weren't done, he's still at 87 pitches. Someone should be warming up regardless.

siberian khatru
04-20-2011, 08:42 PM
Classic Luke Hochevar meltdown inning.

kstater
04-20-2011, 08:42 PM
Really the only way to complete this is to let him throw 150 pitches tonight.

milkman
04-20-2011, 08:43 PM
I do wonder why no one has gone to the mound to talk to Hochevar.

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 08:43 PM
WTF is going on with your sig, stater?

Brianfo
04-20-2011, 08:43 PM
Monumental meltdown. Only as a royals fan will you ever see that. Get him out of there, or we will lose this game.

Sure-Oz
04-20-2011, 08:43 PM
MOTHER FUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

petegz28
04-20-2011, 08:43 PM
Thats the ballgame.

Oso
04-20-2011, 08:43 PM
jesus fucking christ, hoch

Brianfo
04-20-2011, 08:43 PM
Ghey!!

Demonpenz
04-20-2011, 08:43 PM
hafner would be deadly if he hit to all fields

BigMeatballDave
04-20-2011, 08:44 PM
Wheels are off.

Sure-Oz
04-20-2011, 08:44 PM
Hey Yost feel free to send someone to talk to Luke, good lord

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 08:44 PM
Disaster. Yost should take some criticism for sitting on his hands. Hoch falling apart and not one visit. Where's fucking Treanor, too? Supposed to be a vet...

Demonpenz
04-20-2011, 08:44 PM
ok now he is going to get squeezed and tossed from the game

Demonpenz
04-20-2011, 08:45 PM
Hey Yost feel free to send someone to talk to Luke, good lord

the best coaching a coach can give is to coach you how to coach yourself

stonedstooge
04-20-2011, 08:45 PM
Yost must be on the shi**er

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 08:45 PM
Ok, rationalizing...

Yost is not a fucking moron. Larger purpose at stake here? Is this, Luke don't be a bitch, Part II?

SPchief
04-20-2011, 08:45 PM
The Indians have batted around, and neither the pitching coach or Traynor has been out to talk to Luke

kstater
04-20-2011, 08:45 PM
WTF is going on with your sig, stater?

When you see it, you'll shit bricks.

alnorth
04-20-2011, 08:46 PM
This is his last batter. The next batter is a lefty and Collins is warming up.

milkman
04-20-2011, 08:46 PM
the best coaching a coach can give is to coach you how to coach yourself

You forgot "grasshopper".

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 08:46 PM
When you see it, you'll shit bricks.

K-State banner? /ku guy

alnorth
04-20-2011, 08:46 PM
Ok, rationalizing...

Yost is not a ****ing moron. Larger purpose at stake here? Is this, Luke don't be a bitch, Part II?

nah, he brought up a lefty. Lefty is next.

Sure-Oz
04-20-2011, 08:46 PM
Ok, rationalizing...

Yost is not a ****ing moron. Larger purpose at stake here? Is this, Luke don't be a bitch, Part II?

Pretty much and finally Treaner is talking....he does need to get out of this himself

Sure-Oz
04-20-2011, 08:47 PM
Some fire there from Luke!

SPchief
04-20-2011, 08:47 PM
Imagine that, Treanor goes out and talks to him and he gets a strikeout

KCUnited
04-20-2011, 08:47 PM
We wanted to go talk to him but the steps in the dugout weren't working properly. /Yost postgame.

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 08:47 PM
Send Split down to beat Hoch's ass for being such a mental pussy, please.

keg in kc
04-20-2011, 08:47 PM
Big strikeout. But the game's over. Hopefully they can even the series up tomorrow.

Archie F. Swin
04-20-2011, 08:48 PM
ok...lets just keep playing ball, shall we? We're hitting well. Let's just keep our heads in the game.

Nzoner
04-20-2011, 08:48 PM
I got pissed and turned the game off,I'll follow it here instead

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 08:48 PM
**** you, Treanor. You ****ing worthless backup piece of shit. ****ing sitting on the Titanic and he's playing the violin.

You can't hit for fuck, so try to handle the pitcher.

BigMeatballDave
04-20-2011, 08:48 PM
Glad that abortion is over

alnorth
04-20-2011, 08:49 PM
Big strikeout. But the game's over. Hopefully they can even the series up tomorrow.

wait, I'm confused.

For some odd reason I thought we were down 2, their pitcher is almost done, 4 innings left, with a good bullpen, but maybe not.

Sure-Oz
04-20-2011, 08:49 PM
**** you, Treanor. You ****ing worthless backup piece of shit. ****ing sitting on the Titanic and he's playing the violin.

You can't hit for ****, so try to handle the pitcher.

DING DING!

GoHuge
04-20-2011, 08:50 PM
So we're down by two in the 6th with plenty of time to get back in it and the guy we get up in the bullpen to right the ship is the midget that gave up 4 runs last night?? That's confidence inspiring! :facepalm:

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 08:51 PM
Thank goodness for Kila.

SPchief
04-20-2011, 08:52 PM
Lets go get Hoch a win now

KCUnited
04-20-2011, 08:52 PM
Hit him like a seagull.

ChiTown
04-20-2011, 08:52 PM
Gawd, I hate Mike Aviles:banghead:

Brianfo
04-20-2011, 08:52 PM
You forgot "grasshopper".

Why do I root for this team?? Good call.

petegz28
04-20-2011, 08:53 PM
Wtf kila?

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 08:53 PM
Frank flexing some muscle. LMAO.

Gold. Glove. Winner. He can do some things other guys can't do. LMAO.

alnorth
04-20-2011, 08:53 PM
Interesting. MLB finally seized the Dodgers from that worthless POS Frank McCourt.

You thought Glass was bad in the 90's? Frank McCourt looted his team, blew it, got in a messy divorce, and is now broke.

Mr. Arrowhead
04-20-2011, 08:54 PM
I left for 30 minutes, and missed the top of the 6th. WTF happened

stonedstooge
04-20-2011, 08:54 PM
Haven't seen this team give up yet this year. Lots of time left

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 08:54 PM
Interesting. MLB finally seized the Dodgers from that worthless POS Frank McCourt.

You thought Glass was bad in the 90's? Frank McCourt looted his team, blew it, got in a messy divorce, and is now broke.

Probably Glass's cousin.

I know, I know. But I will never forgive that fuck for wasting many years of my fandom.

Archie F. Swin
04-20-2011, 08:55 PM
Alcideeeez nuuuuutzz

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 08:55 PM
Beautiful time for Spring Training power.

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 08:56 PM
Really? He's headed back out?

Blankey
04-20-2011, 08:56 PM
I dont feel like watching this game anymore

alnorth
04-20-2011, 08:57 PM
well, Kila and Matt did manage to get us out of the bottom of the order. Fresh start in the 7th.

alnorth
04-20-2011, 08:58 PM
Really? He's headed back out?

if so, he's immediately going to be replaced for a standing O. He cant pitch to another hitter.

Archie F. Swin
04-20-2011, 08:58 PM
meanhwile, OKC pwning the Fuggets (fukcing Nuggets)

alnorth
04-20-2011, 08:58 PM
christ, he is pitching. WTH?

Nzoner
04-20-2011, 08:58 PM
I'm a superstitious sob and I'll tell you what screwed the Hoch,I had just flipped to MLB Network and they went live to our game in top of 6th talking about a perfect game I immediately thought oh shit.

alnorth
04-20-2011, 08:59 PM
rationalization: its the bottom of the order. Giving him a chance for a 1-2-3 inning, he's out if anyone reaches?

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 09:00 PM
Must. Be. Out. Of. The. Game. Now.

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 09:01 PM
Before the game, Yost apparently drank a 1/5 of: ___.

Sure-Oz
04-20-2011, 09:01 PM
Ok Yost its obvious hes done

alnorth
04-20-2011, 09:01 PM
Top 7th

Ned did something stupid, Indians did lots of stuff, Royals have almost no chance of winning.

Archie F. Swin
04-20-2011, 09:02 PM
Before the game, Yost apparently drank a 1/5 of: ___.

pennzoil

Sure-Oz
04-20-2011, 09:02 PM
Stupid decision to have Luke start the inning

alnorth
04-20-2011, 09:02 PM
He's not even close.

If his arm detaches from the socket, what will cross the plate first: his hand or the ball?

Sure-Oz
04-20-2011, 09:02 PM
This ump isnt helping

SPchief
04-20-2011, 09:02 PM
When the batter thinks its a strike, then its a bad call


And really, get him out of there

ChiTown
04-20-2011, 09:03 PM
ROFL

W T F?

AndChiefs
04-20-2011, 09:03 PM
Wow that was dumb putting him back out there.

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 09:03 PM
Even if we rally, serious questions must be asked of Yost after this game.

Archie F. Swin
04-20-2011, 09:03 PM
ok, people, no short jokes.

alnorth
04-20-2011, 09:03 PM
We wanted to see how Collins could do in a firepit of pressure? I don't know, I got nothin, that was nuts.

KCUnited
04-20-2011, 09:03 PM
Collins with the bases empty would have been too easy, don't want to confuse the kid.

Mr. Laz
04-20-2011, 09:04 PM
Hoch just had a mental breakdown down on t.v.

stonedstooge
04-20-2011, 09:04 PM
Wow that was dumb putting him back out there.

About as dumb as not playing your real third baseman that has an 11 game hitting streak going

SPchief
04-20-2011, 09:04 PM
His confidence was shaken after the 6th, and will probably lead into his next start. That was almost Hillmanesque

milkman
04-20-2011, 09:05 PM
ok, people, no short jokes.

Kind of short notice.

ArrowheadHawk
04-20-2011, 09:06 PM
Damn. I start to think the Royals are good and then I watch that abortion of an inning. This why I can't watch the Royals.

GoHuge
04-20-2011, 09:06 PM
I guess we are just conceding this game. Luke was done last inning and is still out there giving up two leadoff walks and now here comes the midget 4-Runner from last night??

All about trying to get a guy his confidence back, but this game is still within reach. We can't find ANYONE else out there to straighten this shit up?? Dude just got fuckin rocked last night. JFC

Great Expectations
04-20-2011, 09:06 PM
Ryan and Frank knew he was done 6 batters ago.

SPchief
04-20-2011, 09:06 PM
Nice

Brianfo
04-20-2011, 09:06 PM
I still think Hoch can pitch. He had an epic meltdown. WTF happened!! Still put my chips on Hochevar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blankey
04-20-2011, 09:08 PM
Yep, turning this shit off

Sure-Oz
04-20-2011, 09:08 PM
Tim Collins is money vs lefties

SPchief
04-20-2011, 09:08 PM
:banghead:

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 09:09 PM
Just a complete ****ing joke at this point.

I like Yost, but this is his personal scarlet letter.

stonedstooge
04-20-2011, 09:09 PM
"LUKE, I am not your Father"

alnorth
04-20-2011, 09:09 PM
ok, we're probably done. We'd need to repeat the 1st inning, except this time get that clutch bases-clearing hit at the end.

alnorth
04-20-2011, 09:10 PM
Yost did not lose this game, but he did arguably remove any reasonable chance to come back.

petegz28
04-20-2011, 09:10 PM
Whatba choke job. You basically tie the game with two balks in one inning then proceed to throw batting practice for another 4 runs

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 09:11 PM
No visit after the second balk is deserving of the Ken Harvey award. Unfuckingbelievable. Drunk Yost is drunk.

SPchief
04-20-2011, 09:11 PM
Come on Tiny Tim, get out of this

SPchief
04-20-2011, 09:12 PM
Nice play Kila

Al Bundy
04-20-2011, 09:12 PM
Hochevar is utterly useless. I actually want him to suffer a serious arm injury. He is gutless and has no desire to win. **** off Hochevar.

alnorth
04-20-2011, 09:13 PM
This year, I'm not opposed to choosing to give unlikely players a chance to succeed and not doing everything possible to win in favor of development instead... but this was not that. There was no point to sending Hoch back out, and certainly no point to keeping him out after the first walk. This was just letting Hoch twist in the wind over 100 pitches for no reason.

I'm gonna go get as drunk as Ned, now. He obviously self-medicated to help with the cold weather before the game.

Demonpenz
04-20-2011, 09:13 PM
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can someone tell me if this ball was a homerun?

RockChalk
04-20-2011, 09:13 PM
Nice play by Kila there. +1 for his defense

Has Timmmmmmay run out of magic dust? He's been beat around his last couple of appearances

Demonpenz
04-20-2011, 09:14 PM
<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/zlhTPNr-_DM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

can someone tell me if this ball was a homerun?

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 09:14 PM
I guess it's a positive statement about the status of the team that I'm this pissed off. Seriously, I'm Cassel-pissing-down-his-leg livid now.

Sure-Oz
04-20-2011, 09:14 PM
What an abortion, in control for 5 innings

alnorth
04-20-2011, 09:15 PM
Top 7th

Ned did something silly, Indians did lots of stuff, Royals have almost no chance of winning.

I'm done tracking the plays, I'll just listen.

SPchief
04-20-2011, 09:15 PM
This year, I'm not opposed to choosing to give unlikely players a chance to succeed and not doing everything possible to win in favor of development instead... but this was not that. There was no point to sending Hoch back out, and certainly no point to keeping him out after the first walk. This was just letting Hoch twist in the wind over 100 pitches for no reason.

I'm gonna go get as drunk as Ned, now. He obviously self-medicated to help with the cold weather before the game.


Maybe considering going out to talk to him after the first balk. And then after the 2nd balk was a bad decision.

RockChalk
04-20-2011, 09:16 PM
What an abortion, in control for 5 innings

The wheels can come off with the snap of a finger

Three7s
04-20-2011, 09:16 PM
Yost did not lose this game, but he did arguably remove any reasonable chance to come back.
He may not have, but the least he could've done was send McClure out there or something. Anyone with half a brain could tell that Hochevar was having a mental lapse.

Al Bundy
04-20-2011, 09:17 PM
The wheels can come off with the snap of a finger

Especially with Hochevar. He has no mental toughness.

SPchief
04-20-2011, 09:17 PM
Nice pitch

siberian khatru
04-20-2011, 09:17 PM
Alright, I'm gonna defend the move:

1. Hoch was under 100 pitches to start the 7th.
2. He struck out the last man in the 6th.
3. Yost was giving him a chance to build on that, regain his composure and turn this around.
4. Hoch HAS to learn how to pitch through adversity. The team must find out if he can get over that hump, and they must find out this season before the other pitching prospects begin arriving. No babying.

Now, I'm less OK with leaving him in after the leadoff walk. But it's still a part of "Luke, this is your last chance to rebound from this." And he promptly walks the next guy.

Yeah, we lost the game, but I expected us to lose 95 games this year anyway. It's all about developing players. Yost gave Hoch a test tonight and Luke failed.

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 09:17 PM
I'm gonna go get as drunk as Ned, now. He obviously self-medicated to help with the cold weather before the game.

This + DeezNutz' fucking meltdown should basically tell the tale of the fucking night.

alnorth
04-20-2011, 09:18 PM
well, at least Collins did something sort of good. He did let both inherited runners score and loaded the bases up, but he got away without an earned run of his own.

SPchief
04-20-2011, 09:22 PM
Come on Melky

SPchief
04-20-2011, 09:23 PM
2 on nobody out with Alex up

Priest31kc
04-20-2011, 09:23 PM
When was our last HR?

Sure-Oz
04-20-2011, 09:24 PM
Cmon Gordon hit this shit out

Three7s
04-20-2011, 09:24 PM
When was our last HR?
I think it was last weekend. Maybe Betemit hit it. This team has no home run power at all.

stonedstooge
04-20-2011, 09:24 PM
When was our last HR?

Was it Frenchy?

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 09:26 PM
I think it was last weekend. Maybe Betemit hit it. This team has no home run power at all.

I'm probably fucking stupid, but I think we do. Gordon certainly does, and I believe Butler will continue to grow and develop as a middle-of-the-order bat.

GoHuge
04-20-2011, 09:26 PM
Yeah brilliant piece of decision making by Yost tonight. Did he not watch Collins last night? Was still a two run game and leaves Luke in (after being done the previous inning) to promptly walk the first two guys he sees. Brings in the 4-Runner from last night to let him give up a hit against the first guy he sees to score another 2 runs and now 2 more walks with the bases loaded. Just brilliant! :facepalm:

Can't wait to hear Yost in postgame. Will be something to the affect of "I think Luke and Tim were just fine and very crisp. Those guys just made some great adjustments and the ball just found a way to get down in spots."

"Ned what about the 2 balks and 4 walks those two gave in that two inning stretch?" "Well I was told before I came in here that whole umpire crew lives in Cleveland.........kinda hard to play against another team and the umpires."

Archie F. Swin
04-20-2011, 09:26 PM
beer me

Demonpenz
04-20-2011, 09:27 PM
lets go royals

Sure-Oz
04-20-2011, 09:27 PM
Fuck

JASONSAUTO
04-20-2011, 09:29 PM
I'm probably fucking stupid, but I think we do. Gordon certainly does, and I believe Butler will continue to grow and develop as a middle-of-the-order bat.

I agree with all of this.





LMAO
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Three7s
04-20-2011, 09:29 PM
Well, since we aren't gonna win this one, 3/4 is almost a guarantee for the Indians since SOS is starting. Not to make matters worse, but after that we go to Texas. Cue long losing stretch?.

stonedstooge
04-20-2011, 09:30 PM
Com'on Billay, bring us within one

alnorth
04-20-2011, 09:31 PM
ok seriously, Cleveland what are you doing? I gave up on the game, put us out of our misery. Don't start giving us hope, thats cruel.

Demonpenz
04-20-2011, 09:32 PM
that ball was hammmered

alnorth
04-20-2011, 09:32 PM
yep, thats about right. Butler flies to the track, and now Frenchy will ground out somewhere.

SPchief
04-20-2011, 09:34 PM
Bases loaded for Aviles

CHENZ A!
04-20-2011, 09:35 PM
We need to pinch hit for Mikey right fucking now!

alnorth
04-20-2011, 09:35 PM
wow. Tying run at the plate.

Oh, but its Aviles. False hope averted.

RockChalk
04-20-2011, 09:35 PM
Bases loaded for Aviles

Pestano's cutter is going to have Mike bailing as soon as the pitch is released

Three7s
04-20-2011, 09:36 PM
Here comes a classic choke job.

RockChalk
04-20-2011, 09:36 PM
There was your pitch Mike

SPchief
04-20-2011, 09:37 PM
There it is

Oso
04-20-2011, 09:37 PM
:facepalm:

Three7s
04-20-2011, 09:37 PM
I think everyone on the crowd called that.

alnorth
04-20-2011, 09:37 PM
and thats probably it. in the box score, that will just be a scoreless inning with a few odd walks.

GoHuge
04-20-2011, 09:37 PM
fuck!!!

RockChalk
04-20-2011, 09:37 PM
HA

That pitch was a little inside, but I'd call it on his ass too for jumping out

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 09:37 PM
Even West was laughing at Aviles.

CHENZ A!
04-20-2011, 09:37 PM
Motherfucker. Can we get rid of that fucking bum already

ChiTown
04-20-2011, 09:37 PM
MF!

Please get Aviles the F out of KC.

Archie F. Swin
04-20-2011, 09:37 PM
what a painful fucking game

JASONSAUTO
04-20-2011, 09:37 PM
Holy fucking asshole piece of shit
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stonedstooge
04-20-2011, 09:38 PM
Might not have been a bad idea to pinch hit with Betemit in that situation. Damn it Yost

siberian khatru
04-20-2011, 09:38 PM
wow. Tying run at the plate.

Oh, but its Aviles. False hope averted.

Pestano's cutter is going to have Mike bailing as soon as the pitch is released

Here comes a classic choke job.

LMAO

JASONSAUTO
04-20-2011, 09:38 PM
Dickhead
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milkman
04-20-2011, 09:38 PM
You guys called it, but that pitch looked like a ball, well inside to me.

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 09:39 PM
Might not have been a bad idea to pinch hit with Betemit in that situation. Damn it Yost

No, no. No need for someone hitting .375/.460/.550.

Priest31kc
04-20-2011, 09:39 PM
Atleast Chicago & Minnesota lost again.

milkman
04-20-2011, 09:39 PM
HA

That pitch was a little inside, but I'd call it on his ass too for jumping out

Didn't call it on the Indians when they were jumping out earlier.

Three7s
04-20-2011, 09:40 PM
After this series with the Indians and how good the Indians were playing, I had a feeling I'd see if the Royals were for real or not. After these first 3 games, it's obvious they aren't. There is still no clutch hitting at all, no power (despite what some think), and the bullpen is showing their true colors. Sure, the record looks good right now, but this team just doesn't have the talent.

The one bright spot this year is Alex Gordon, that's it.

SPchief
04-20-2011, 09:40 PM
Oh, and fuck you Joe west

Archie F. Swin
04-20-2011, 09:40 PM
here's our mascot
http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1175733829l/552581.jpg

ChiTown
04-20-2011, 09:40 PM
Might not have been a bad idea to pinch hit with Betemit in that situation. Damn it Yost

THIS!

Why, in the name of Corky Hillman, would Ned not pull the trigger?

alnorth
04-20-2011, 09:40 PM
ok, we're done, so lets do something productive. Pitch Texeira, then bring out Adcock. We cant just let that rule V kid rot all freaking year.

If you cant pitch him in the 9th down 4, then when? If he cant be trusted to mop up, then give him back to the Pirates.

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 09:41 PM
THIS!

Why, in the name of Corky Hillman, would Ned not pull he trigger?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_a_RYCTj0weA/SU3oj9FSiPI/AAAAAAAAAkA/ai1qY1nEdLA/s320/Johnnie-Walker-Black-Label-730715.jpg

JASONSAUTO
04-20-2011, 09:42 PM
that pitch looked like a ball, well inside to me.

Agreed
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SPATCH
04-20-2011, 09:42 PM
now mathematically eliminated from playoff contention

ChiTown
04-20-2011, 09:43 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_a_RYCTj0weA/SU3oj9FSiPI/AAAAAAAAAkA/ai1qY1nEdLA/s320/Johnnie-Walker-Black-Label-730715.jpg

http://www.howawesomeisthat.com/images/suicides/shotgun/shotgun3.jpg

stonedstooge
04-20-2011, 09:43 PM
Surprised Yost doesn't have Soria warming up

alnorth
04-20-2011, 09:44 PM
On another note, Chief Wahoo is so incredibly stupid and racist, I think they should adopt my logo (sans the feather) and call themselves the demons.

I just cant take the team seriously with a red-faced madly grinning caricature of political incorrectness for a mascot.

RockChalk
04-20-2011, 09:44 PM
Didn't call it on the Indians when they were jumping out earlier.

I missed the first 6 innings, so I was unaware of that

Doesn't matter though, Aviles is a free swinger and Joe West gave him zero respect there.

Off topic, but West sure is one ugly fat f*ck

Archie F. Swin
04-20-2011, 09:47 PM
this TV crew puts me to sleep

RockChalk
04-20-2011, 09:48 PM
ok, we're done, so lets do something productive. Pitch Texeira, then bring out Adcock. We cant just let that rule V kid rot all freaking year.

If you cant pitch him in the 9th down 4, then when? If he cant be trusted to mop up, then give him back to the Pirates.

Ned actually compared him to the "longman" in The Godfather yesterday. Or something along those lines

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 09:48 PM
this TV crew puts me to sleep

Really? I think it's because they're as pissed as some of us and want to start drinking.

In general, I think that White and Fever are great.

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 09:49 PM
Ned actually compared him to the "longman" in The Godfather yesterday. Or something along those lines

I'd like to compare Yost to the horse at this point.

RockChalk
04-20-2011, 09:49 PM
Really? I think it's because they're as pissed as some of us and want to start drinking.

In general, I think that White and Fever are great.

Oh you know some of this sh*tty infield defense just really eats at White.

RockChalk
04-20-2011, 09:53 PM
God bless Matt Treanor. Hitting .147, yet I still prefer him over Kendall, as do most Royal fans

stonedstooge
04-20-2011, 10:10 PM
Anyone left?

SPchief
04-20-2011, 10:18 PM
only down 4 with 2 outs left

SPchief
04-20-2011, 10:23 PM
Sweet, false hope homer by the frenchman

milkman
04-20-2011, 10:23 PM
only down 4 with 2 outs left

2, with 1 out left.

CHENZ A!
04-20-2011, 10:24 PM
LMAO thanks to Frenchy, my FLB team will get a save from Perez.

kysirsoze
04-20-2011, 10:25 PM
C'mon Aviles. Prove the shit I was just talking on you wrong.

stonedstooge
04-20-2011, 10:25 PM
Hate to see mismanagement be a big part of a loss. But I think you can pin two of the Royals losses on Yost. Hell he could trigger enough losses to really hurt this team at the rate he is going. No retreat no surrender in ANY game dammit

CHENZ A!
04-20-2011, 10:25 PM
Mikey is so fucking pathetic.

kysirsoze
04-20-2011, 10:25 PM
C'mon Aviles. Prove the shit I was just talking on you wrong.

No? OK.

alnorth
04-20-2011, 10:33 PM
Hate to see mismanagement be a big part of a loss. But I think you can pin two of the Royals losses on Yost. Hell he could trigger enough losses to really hurt this team at the rate he is going. No retreat no surrender in ANY game dammit

I don't really see any losses by Yost yet.

This game, Hochevar had already lost. If it were close, Smith and Sipp would not have seen the mound.

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 10:36 PM
I don't really see any losses by Yost yet.

This game, Hochevar had already lost. If it were close, Smith and Sipp would not have seen the mound.

With decent production from the pen, this should have been a 2-2 tie. Yost stepped all over his own dick tonight; he was fucking terrible.

Doesn't mean shit in the long-term. Yost is still a solid manager. Tonight, he was simply on the sauce.

milkman
04-20-2011, 10:40 PM
With decent production from the pen, this should have been a 2-2 tie. Yost stepped all over his own dick tonight; he was ****ing terrible.

Doesn't mean shit in the long-term. Yost is still a solid manager. Tonight, he was simply on the sauce.

Had someone, anyone, gone to the mound and talked to Hochevar after he gave up his frst hit and then balked, maybe the Royals get out of that inning without too much damage.

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 10:42 PM
Had someone, anyone, gone to the mound and talked to Hochevar after he gave up his frst hit and then balked, maybe the Royals get out of that inning without too much damage.

Agree completely. Yost needs to be grilled in the post-game and so does Treanor. Doubt it will happen, though.

In his defense, at least Yost has a track record. Treanor is a worthless piece of shit who is supposed to offer a "vet presence," yet he acted like a clueless n00b.

tk13
04-20-2011, 10:45 PM
You guys will be begging for Treanor when Kendall's out there throwing one-hoppers to 2nd in a month or two.

SPchief
04-20-2011, 10:48 PM
Had someone, anyone, gone to the mound and talked to Hochevar after he gave up his frst hit and then balked, maybe the Royals get out of that inning without too much damage.

I still don't see how you don't send someone out there to talk to Hoch after the first balk. And then again after the 2nd one

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 10:49 PM
Someone once said that > than bad (or worst player in baseball, in this case) does not = good.

I fucking hate Kendall, but this doesn't change the fact that Treanor is a piece of dog shit.

alnorth
04-20-2011, 10:51 PM
I just think that, in general, blaming the manager is often a bit of a cop-out. The players play the game, and well over 95% of the time, the win or the loss is on them.

Sometimes blaming the manager is warranted, but I think fans usually go to the "the manager lost the game" card way too quickly because they don't wanna blame the players for not hitting and not pitching.

Yost made it more difficult for us to come back, but in my mind, Hoch lost this game.

alnorth
04-20-2011, 10:53 PM
I still don't see how you don't send someone out there to talk to Hoch after the first balk. And then again after the 2nd one

I think this is just a bit overrated. Sure, do it if you think it might help, but it probably wont help.

What the hell do you say? "stop throwing bad pitches, you can get this guy"? He's not a rookie in AA.

milkman
04-20-2011, 10:55 PM
I just think that, in general, blaming the manager is often a bit of a cop-out. The players play the game, and well over 95% of the time, the win or the loss is on them.

Sometimes blaming the manager is warranted, but I think fans usually go to the "the manager lost the game" card way too quickly because they don't wanna blame the players for not hitting and not pitching.

Yost made it more difficult for us to come back, but in my mind, Hoch lost this game.

The thing s, not doing anything when it was clear that Hoch had lost his composure cost the Royals 3 or 4 runs.

When he balked the second time, and still no one took any kind of action, that's on Yost.

His nonactive managing cost this team those 3 or 4 runs.

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 10:57 PM
I just think that, in general, blaming the manager is often a bit of a cop-out. The players play the game, and well over 95% of the time, the win or the loss is on them.


I agree here, but this is one of those exceptions. You, yourself, were incredulous that Hoch started the 7th (?). Two runners on. Two runners in.

7-5 loss.

Not even mentioning the previous inning. Hoch pissed himself, but Yost deserves his fair share of blame.

alnorth
04-20-2011, 10:58 PM
The thing s, not doing anything when it was clear that Hoch had lost his composure cost the Royals 3 or 4 runs.

When he balked the second time, and still no one took any kind of action, that's on Yost.

His nonactive managing cost this team those 3 or 4 runs.

I don't think its a given that those 3 or 4 runs would not have scored anyway. Remember, he was in a tough situation. Even if you pull him immediately and go to someone else, at best, maybe you can realistically think we save 1 run. Perhaps two, but probably one. And if its close at all, the Indians take the late innings more seriously and throw better pitchers in there sooner.

So no, I flatly deny that its a given that Yost cost us 3 or 4 runs.

SPchief
04-20-2011, 10:58 PM
I think this is just a bit overrated. Sure, do it if you think it might help, but it probably wont help.

What the hell do you say? "stop throwing bad pitches, you can get this guy"? He's not a rookie in AA.

You're ignoring the balks(plural)

"Compose yourself and stop being dumb?"

alnorth
04-20-2011, 10:59 PM
I agree here, but this is one of those exceptions. You, yourself, were incredulous that Hoch started the 7th (?). Two runners on. Two runners in.

7-5 loss.

Not even mentioning the previous inning. Hoch pissed himself, but Yost deserves his fair share of blame.

Yes I was incredulous.

That does *NOT* automatically lead to the conclusion that Yost lost the game. We went from "we're probably lost, but maybe we can come back" to "we're probably lost, but maybe we can come back, if we are lucky"

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 10:59 PM
Hoch with two balks his entire career...before tonight. And no one said a thing. Wow.

alnorth
04-20-2011, 11:00 PM
You're ignoring the balks(plural)

"Compose yourself and stop being dumb?"

The second balk ended up being irrelevant. We focus on it because we were outraged, but you conveniently forget that he gave up a hit that would have scored him anyway.

So, screw the second balk, it didn't matter.

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 11:01 PM
Yes I was incredulous.

That does *NOT* automatically lead to the conclusion that Yost lost the game. We went from "we're probably lost, but maybe we can come back" to "we're probably lost, but maybe we can come back, if we are lucky"

No, but we have to make logical connections here. Yost did some epically stupid things. Pretty much fact. These said stupid decisions cost us. Fact.

Is Yost solely responsible? Fuck no. Does he share the responsibility? Fuck yes.

alnorth
04-20-2011, 11:02 PM
Hoch with two balks his entire career...before tonight. And no one said a thing. Wow.

and the second balk literally meant nothing. Because he promptly gave up a hit anyway.

alnorth
04-20-2011, 11:02 PM
No, but we have to make logical connections here. Yost did some epically stupid things. Pretty much fact. These said stupid decisions cost us. Fact.

Is Yost solely responsible? **** no. Does he share the responsibility? **** yes.

correct, but on balance, Hoch lost the game.

If you have to assign partial liability like in a courtroom, then I give Yost 10% of the loss.

SPchief
04-20-2011, 11:04 PM
The second balk ended up being irrelevant. We focus on it because we were outraged, but you conveniently forget that he gave up a hit that would have scored him anyway.

So, screw the second balk, it didn't matter.

Perhaps after the first one, Treinor goes out and talks to him and he reigns it it and he gets out of a jam

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 11:04 PM
correct, but on balance, Hoch lost the game.

If you have to assign partial liability like in a courtroom, then I give Yost 10% of the loss.

In principle, we agree. My problem is that I expect Hoch to perform like a #5 because that's what he is. I don't expect Yost to do things to put us in position to lose, so this is fueling my anger.

alnorth
04-20-2011, 11:05 PM
Perhaps after the first one, Treinor goes out and talks to him and he reigns it it and he gets out of a jam

Anything is possible, anything can happen, but I doubt it. He had a very high pitchcount and had lost it against good hitters. Its hard to believe the runner on 3rd doesn't score regardless of whatever half-listened-to tired words are said.

DeezNutz
04-20-2011, 11:06 PM
Anything is possible, anything can happen, but I doubt it. He had a very high pitchcount and had lost it against good hitters. Its hard to believe the runner on 3rd doesn't score regardless of whatever half-listened-to tired words are said.

So why is he in the game again?

Edit: my last pissed-off post for the night. Game's over. We play tomorrow for the split. Fuck it.

alnorth
04-20-2011, 11:08 PM
So why is he in the game again?

Edit: my last pissed-off post for the night. Game's over. We play tomorrow for the split. **** it.

this is the 6th inning, not the 7th. No one was warmed up and ready to go, nor should they have been expected to have been because Hoch's decline was sudden, unexpected, and rapid.

SPchief
04-20-2011, 11:09 PM
Anything is possible, anything can happen, but I doubt it. He had a very high pitchcount and had lost it against good hitters. Its hard to believe the runner on 3rd doesn't score regardless of whatever half-listened-to tired words are said.

I'll have to look it up, but after the 1st balk i think it was runner on 2nd no one in.

alnorth
04-20-2011, 11:10 PM
I'll have to look it up, but after the 1st balk i think it was runner on 2nd no one in.

the second balk scored the runner from 3rd. After that, there was a hit.

SPchief
04-20-2011, 11:14 PM
the second balk scored the runner from 3rd. After that, there was a hit.

I'm not disagreeing with that, you're still ignoring the first balk

chiefsfan987
04-21-2011, 12:08 AM
I don't think its a given that those 3 or 4 runs would not have scored anyway. Remember, he was in a tough situation. Even if you pull him immediately and go to someone else, at best, maybe you can realistically think we save 1 run. Perhaps two, but probably one. And if its close at all, the Indians take the late innings more seriously and throw better pitchers in there sooner.So no, I flatly deny that its a given that Yost cost us 3 or 4 runs.

:rolleyes: Yes because the Indians didn't take it seriously by putting in a guy who hadn't given up a run in his first 8 outtings of the season in Sipp and not one guy they threw tonight has an era over 2.89.

Yost was the biggest contributing factor in this loss with poor decision making on multiple occasions. I forgive him because he does a lot more right than wrong, but tonight he was brain dead in his decision making.

thurman merman
04-21-2011, 12:14 AM
Why does Mike Aviles play in the major leagues?

alnorth
04-21-2011, 12:25 AM
If I start the thread tomorrow (there's no rule saying I have to, I'll probably put it up during lunch if its not up yet) I think I'll ditch this silly gimmick and just display the Indians logo in all its putrid glory.

Any modified image I choose to put up, even when "demonized", looks better than their completely stupid, totally racist Chief Wahoo.

Three7s
04-21-2011, 12:32 AM
Had someone, anyone, gone to the mound and talked to Hochevar after he gave up his frst hit and then balked, maybe the Royals get out of that inning without too much damage.
That's what I was thinking ever since all of that started. I still don't think the Indians really just started hitting him all of a sudden because they figured out something. I think Hochevar just lost it after giving up one hit.

chiefsfan987
04-21-2011, 12:34 AM
If I start the thread tomorrow (there's no rule saying I have to, I'll probably put it up during lunch if its not up yet) I think I'll ditch this silly gimmick and just display the Indians logo in all its putrid glory.

Any modified image I choose to put up, even when "demonized", looks better than their completely stupid, totally racist Chief Wahoo.

You should absolutely start the thread. I'm generally just a lurker in Royals threads on here but for whatever reason the Royals win a lot more games when you start the thread. They almost never win when other posters start them and frankly, yours are just better because of your in game box score.