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Mr. Laz
04-21-2011, 10:44 AM
Dick Cheney ... the man who tried to destroy our water tablewith a single piece of legislation.


Sad echo on anniversary of BP disaster as Chesapeake gas well blows in PA

http://switchboard.nrdc.org/media/photo-ksinding-contributor.jpg Posted April 20, 2011 in Curbing Pollution (http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/issues/curbing_pollution/)

Environmental regulators and local officials in the Marcellus Shale hotbed of Bradford County, PA are saying (http://www.wnep.com/wnep-brad-leroy-gas-drillingemergency20110420,0,1884646.story) “thousands and thousands of gallons of frack fluid [spilled] over containment walls, through fields, personal property and farms, even where cattle continue to graze” after Chesapeake Energy “lost control” over a gas well that in the process of being hydraulically fractured (or “fracked (http://www.nrdc.org/energy/gasdrilling/)”) late last night.

The accident – which has eerie echoes to the tragic events surrounding the BP (http://www.nrdc.org/energy/gulfspill/) oil well blow-out that occurred one year ago today in the Gulf of Mexico – has resulted in the evacuation of local residents, as well as contamination of a nearby stream that feeds the nearby Susquehanna River. Reportedly (http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/natural-gas-well-suffers-blowout-releasing-fluids-in-bradford-county-1.1135253#axzz1K6VJqcDs), contaminated wastewaters flowed unabated from the well for over 12 hours following the blow-out.

It is chilling to hear phrases like “blow-out” and “efforts to kill the well” on this of all days. And it is a stark reminder that – one year after environmental disaster struck and 11 lives were lost – we are no closer to having the critically important kinds of protections in place to prevent this kind of event from happening either on- or off-shore.

Unless industry can find a way to stop these kinds of disasters from occurring, the public will continue to view oil and gas development with increasing skepticism. And places like New York, with its own share of the gas-rich Marcellus Shale (http://www.nrdc.org/land/marcellus.asp), will be right to continue to say no to any new gas development, setting a national example as to how to take a cautionary approach in the face of inadequately regulated industrial technologies.

blaise
04-21-2011, 10:48 AM
Obama better find out whose ass to kick.

Donger
04-21-2011, 10:48 AM
Dick Cheney ... the man who tried to destroy our water tablewith a single piece of legislation.


Sad echo on anniversary of BP disaster as Chesapeake gas well blows in PA

http://switchboard.nrdc.org/media/photo-ksinding-contributor.jpg Posted April 20, 2011 in Curbing Pollution (http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/issues/curbing_pollution/)

Environmental regulators and local officials in the Marcellus Shale hotbed of Bradford County, PA are saying (http://www.wnep.com/wnep-brad-leroy-gas-drillingemergency20110420,0,1884646.story) “thousands and thousands of gallons of frack fluid [spilled] over containment walls, through fields, personal property and farms, even where cattle continue to graze” after Chesapeake Energy “lost control” over a gas well that in the process of being hydraulically fractured (or “fracked (http://www.nrdc.org/energy/gasdrilling/)”) late last night.

The accident – which has eerie echoes to the tragic events surrounding the BP (http://www.nrdc.org/energy/gulfspill/) oil well blow-out that occurred one year ago today in the Gulf of Mexico – has resulted in the evacuation of local residents, as well as contamination of a nearby stream that feeds the nearby Susquehanna River. Reportedly (http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/natural-gas-well-suffers-blowout-releasing-fluids-in-bradford-county-1.1135253#axzz1K6VJqcDs), contaminated wastewaters flowed unabated from the well for over 12 hours following the blow-out.

It is chilling to hear phrases like “blow-out” and “efforts to kill the well” on this of all days. And it is a stark reminder that – one year after environmental disaster struck and 11 lives were lost – we are no closer to having the critically important kinds of protections in place to prevent this kind of event from happening either on- or off-shore.

Unless industry can find a way to stop these kinds of disasters from occurring, the public will continue to view oil and gas development with increasing skepticism. And places like New York, with its own share of the gas-rich Marcellus Shale (http://www.nrdc.org/land/marcellus.asp), will be right to continue to say no to any new gas development, setting a national example as to how to take a cautionary approach in the face of inadequately regulated industrial technologies.

I wonder if the author uses natural gas to heat her home. Or heat her water?

blaise
04-21-2011, 10:48 AM
I can't believe Dick Cheney went all the way down there and did that kind of sabotage.

Dante84
04-21-2011, 11:00 AM
I can't believe Dick Cheney went all the way down there and did that kind of sabotage.

He also didn't go into Iraq....

Doesn't mean he's innocent.

Mr. Laz
04-21-2011, 11:23 AM
I can't believe Dick Cheney went all the way down there and did that kind of sabotage.

In 2005, Congress passed an Energy Act that included (thanks to meddling by former Halliburton CEO Dick Cheney) an exemption for hydraulic fracturing (fracking) from the protections of the Safe Drinking Water Act, the Clean Water Act, and the Clean Air Act. It's called the "Halliburton loophole" and it's a whopper.

ROYC75
04-21-2011, 11:29 AM
In 2005, Congress passed an Energy Act that included (thanks to meddling by former Halliburton CEO Dick Cheney) an exemption for hydraulic fracturing (fracking) from the protections of the Safe Drinking Water Act, the Clean Water Act, and the Clean Air Act. It's called the "Halliburton loophole" and it's a whopper.

So, what happens to America's progress and the responsibility in the government?

Jaric
04-21-2011, 11:34 AM
I can't believe Dick Cheney went all the way down there and did that kind of sabotage.

Really?

I noticed something was amiss when he showed up to address congress wearing his Dr Evil outfit.

patteeu
04-21-2011, 11:38 AM
In 2005, Congress passed an Energy Act that included (thanks to meddling by former Halliburton CEO Dick Cheney) an exemption for hydraulic fracturing (fracking) from the protections of the Safe Drinking Water Act, the Clean Water Act, and the Clean Air Act. It's called the "Halliburton loophole" and it's a whopper.

FYI, Dick Cheney wasn't in Congress in 2005.

Saul Good
04-21-2011, 11:44 AM
Lots of good facts and details in there. The writer really did her homework. Very informative.

chiefsnorth
04-21-2011, 11:44 AM
Obama better find out whose ass to kick.

It sounds like he needs to read this environmentalist wacko website's blogs, and then he could sit around and do nothing until somone else fixes the problem (again)

blaise
04-21-2011, 11:51 AM
In 2005, Congress passed an Energy Act that included (thanks to meddling by former Halliburton CEO Dick Cheney) an exemption for hydraulic fracturing (fracking) from the protections of the Safe Drinking Water Act, the Clean Water Act, and the Clean Air Act. It's called the "Halliburton loophole" and it's a whopper.

So, Congress passed it, huh?

Jaric
04-21-2011, 12:20 PM
FYI, Dick Cheney wasn't in Congress in 2005.

Because he was in his secret underground volcano lair MWHAhAHHAHAHEAH!!!

SNR
04-21-2011, 01:04 PM
Because he was in his secret underground volcano lair MWHAhAHHAHAHEAH!!!Yeah, but you know he would have voted for it if he weren't so damn busy attaching "la-sers" to the heads of sharks

Mr. Laz
04-21-2011, 05:21 PM
FYI, Dick Cheney wasn't in Congress in 2005.
did you take tap dancing as a kid? It didn't say Cheney was in congress, but then again you knew that.

FTR ... in 2005, the presidency,senate and house were all under the control of republicans.

patteeu
04-21-2011, 07:00 PM
did you take tap dancing as a kid? It didn't say Cheney was in congress, but then again you knew that.

FTR ... in 2005, the presidency,senate and house were all under the control of republicans.

Did Dick Cheney cast a vote for or against this legislation? Did he sign it or have an opportunity to veto it? If the answer to these questions is no, and I'm pretty sure it is, why did Dick Cheney get top/exclusive billing in your version of these events?

Getting past your pitiful obsession with Dick Cheney, what's bad about this legislation anyway? Try to be specific.

Mr. Laz
04-23-2011, 09:28 AM
Did Dick Cheney cast a vote for or against this legislation? Did he sign it or have an opportunity to veto it? If the answer to these questions is no, and I'm pretty sure it is, why did Dick Cheney get top/exclusive billing in your version of these events?

Getting past your pitiful obsession with Dick Cheney, what's bad about this legislation anyway? Try to be specific.
try actually READING this time

How Cheney's Loophole is Fracking Up America (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kevin-grandia/how-cheneys-loophole-is-f_b_502924.html)

I met a woman recently who can light her tap water on fire (see the photo below). She told me that a natural gas company had built a drilling station on her ranch and after a year or so her dogs stopped drinking the tap water she put in their dishes.

The water smelled "chemically."

When she turned on her faucet there was a hissing noise like leaking gas before the water would come out. Neighboring ranchers told her that their kids came out of the shower with chemical burns all over their bodies. Another neighbor's water well shed burned to the ground.

On a hunch she took some of the tap water out to her shed and put a lighter to it. As she suspected, it lit on fire.
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2010-03-17-frackingwateronfire02.jpg
The story was so unbelievable that I spent the next couple of weeks looking into the natural gas industry and the extraction process they use called "hydraulic fracturing." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_fracturing)The process involves pumping thousands of gallons of fracking fluid (a mixture of sand and soapy chemicals) into the ground to create enough pressure that a rock formation will fracture, allowing the natural gas to escape and then be extracted.

Turns out that a lot more people living close to natural gas wells could light their water on fire. In fact, there was a documentary made about all this recently. Here's an excerpt from the film of another rancher (http://videos.apnicommunity.com/Video,Item,535521842.html) that can light his water on fire.

Most of the natural gas drilled in the US uses hydraulic fracturing because it is the cheapest and easiest way to get it out of the ground. The chemicals used in the fracking fluid that is pumped underground is also exempt from the Clean Water Act, making it a lot easier to dance around environmental restrictions.

In 2005, at the urging of Vice President Cheney, fracking fluids were exempted from the Clean Water Act after the companies that own the patents on the process raised concerns about disclosing proprietary formulas - if they had to meet the Act's standards they would have to reveal the chemical composition which competitors could then steal. Fair enough, but this also exempts these companies from having to meet the strict regulations that protect the nation's freshwater supply.

This was a sweetheart political deal and it probably doesn't surprise you that the the Vice President's former employer Halliburton (http://www.halliburton.com/ps/default.aspx?pageid=3334) is one of the largest players in providing hydraulic fracturing services to gas companies.

So why are people finding their tap water a fire hazard? The gas companies deny that it's their fault and because of this Halliburton loophole, it is pretty hard to prove otherwise.

There is a bill currently making its way through Congress that will hopefully close the Halliburton Loophole.
(http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:h.r.02766)
Let's hope it passes because if it doesn't, we're fracked.

Donger
04-23-2011, 10:18 AM
Did she give permission for drilling on her property?

patteeu
04-23-2011, 10:20 AM
try actually READING this time

***propaganda removed***

I'm asking you to be specific about (a) why Dick Cheney gets the credit for whatever it is that you're complaining about and (b) what it is that you complaining about?

I'm not looking for a poorly sourced article about some poor old lady who claims her water is combustible. I'm looking for specific details about what was changed and why that change matters.

By the way, this whole "hydralic fracturing contaminates ground water" nonsense has been thoroughly debunked. The fracturing takes place well below the water table and the intervening rock provides quite a sufficient barrier between the chemicals used and the water supply. Try thinking about it for a minute. If that weren't the case, how is it that we don't have oil contaminating our water supply in the first place?

Dick Cheney didn't pass a law.

The law you seem to be concerned about had backing by a huge majority in Congress including the ranking democrat on the energy committe, the current Secretary of the Interior, Ken Salazar, and our current Failure-in-Chief.

The Mad Crapper
04-23-2011, 08:02 PM
Dick Cheney ... the man who tried to destroy our water tablewith a single piece of legislation.


Sad echo on anniversary of BP disaster as Chesapeake gas well blows in PA

http://switchboard.nrdc.org/media/photo-ksinding-contributor.jpg Posted April 20, 2011 in Curbing Pollution (http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/issues/curbing_pollution/)

Environmental regulators and local officials in the Marcellus Shale hotbed of Bradford County, PA are saying (http://www.wnep.com/wnep-brad-leroy-gas-drillingemergency20110420,0,1884646.story) “thousands and thousands of gallons of frack fluid [spilled] over containment walls, through fields, personal property and farms, even where cattle continue to graze” after Chesapeake Energy “lost control” over a gas well that in the process of being hydraulically fractured (or “fracked (http://www.nrdc.org/energy/gasdrilling/)”) late last night.

The accident – which has eerie echoes to the tragic events surrounding the BP (http://www.nrdc.org/energy/gulfspill/) oil well blow-out that occurred one year ago today in the Gulf of Mexico – has resulted in the evacuation of local residents, as well as contamination of a nearby stream that feeds the nearby Susquehanna River. Reportedly (http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/natural-gas-well-suffers-blowout-releasing-fluids-in-bradford-county-1.1135253#axzz1K6VJqcDs), contaminated wastewaters flowed unabated from the well for over 12 hours following the blow-out.

It is chilling to hear phrases like “blow-out” and “efforts to kill the well” on this of all days. And it is a stark reminder that – one year after environmental disaster struck and 11 lives were lost – we are no closer to having the critically important kinds of protections in place to prevent this kind of event from happening either on- or off-shore.

Unless industry can find a way to stop these kinds of disasters from occurring, the public will continue to view oil and gas development with increasing skepticism. And places like New York, with its own share of the gas-rich Marcellus Shale (http://www.nrdc.org/land/marcellus.asp), will be right to continue to say no to any new gas development, setting a national example as to how to take a cautionary approach in the face of inadequately regulated industrial technologies.

:drool:

Dave Lane
04-23-2011, 09:59 PM
I wonder if the author uses natural gas to heat her home. Or heat her water?

I'm gonna go with nuclear.

ChiTown
04-25-2011, 10:16 AM
I sell a commodity that goes into the oil and gas shale industry for fracturing these wells.

VIVA LA HYDRAULIC FRAC!:evil:

Seriously, this a safe and inexpensive way to get nat gas & oil from shale. Are there isolated incidents? Yes. Is there a perfect way to get the abundance of energy we need for this Country in a perfect manner? No.

Just deal with it and keep sending me my damn checks o:-)

notorious
04-25-2011, 10:35 AM
So Dick Chaney is a crooked, corrupt Douche?


Stop the presses!



Almost every, single last politician is a piece of shit corrupt Douche.

go bowe
04-25-2011, 12:06 PM
So Dick Chaney is a crooked, corrupt Douche?


Stop the presses!



Almost every, single last politician is a piece of shit corrupt Douche.

hey, show some respect, dick cheney is an american hero...

just ask patteeu... :p :p :p

Saul Good
04-25-2011, 12:37 PM
hey, show some respect, dick cheney is an american hero...

just ask patteeu... :p :p :p

This issue has nothing to do with Dick Cheney, Halliburton, nor reality.

patteeu
04-25-2011, 12:57 PM
hey, show some respect, dick cheney is an american hero...

just ask patteeu... :p :p :p

This is correct.

patteeu
04-25-2011, 12:57 PM
This issue has nothing to do with Dick Cheney, Halliburton, nor reality.

Also correct.

go bowe
04-25-2011, 09:04 PM
Also correct.
this...

FishingRod
04-26-2011, 08:41 AM
Estimates of the Natural Gas available from this method of extraction seem to vary from 2 to 6 times the equivalent of all the Saudi oil reserves. It is cheaper and burns cleaner. While there are certainly environmental issues to be dealt with ( like all the other sources), if we were to switch to Natural gas power from oil, we really wouldn’t have much reason to be involved in the middle East. We wouldn’t be sending our money to Arm them and we wouldn’t need to spend billions of our Tax dollars to protect the supply of oil. If you really are responsible, thanks Dick.

tiptap
04-26-2011, 09:20 AM
FYI, Dick Cheney wasn't in Congress in 2005.
Vice President presides over Senate. Isn't this dual technicality the legal argument Cheney based his exemptions in oversight

patteeu
04-26-2011, 09:49 AM
Vice President presides over Senate. Isn't this dual technicality the legal argument Cheney based his exemptions in oversight

Fair enough, but in terms of relevance to this topic, did he cast a vote on this legislation? Did he even have an opportunity to cast a vote on it? I'm pretty sure that the answer is no in both cases.