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DA_T_84
04-21-2011, 08:01 PM
Bring it, you ****s.

I predict a very heavy run on QB's in the first round this year, as there are so many teams with needs, and even though there are 3 "FA" QB's available (VY, DM, KC-via trade) no one can rely on FA pick ups until this lockout ends. Pretty risky. Even the teams who do pick up those FA's will still need QBOTF's.

It's impossible to guess all the trades, but I went with two.



Carolina: CAM NEWTON
Denver: MARCEL DAREUS
Buffalo: VON MILLER
Cincinnati: BLAINE GABBERT
Arizona: CHRISTIAN PONDER
Cleveland: A.J. GREEN
San Francisco: PATRICK PETERSON
Tennessee: NICK FAIRLEY
Dallas: TYRON SMITH
Washington: JULIO JONES
Houston: PRINCE AMUKAMARA
Minnesota: DA'QUAN BOWERS
Detroit: NATE SOLDER
St. Louis: COREY LIUGET
Miami: MARK INGRAM
Jacksonville: CAMERON JORDAN
New England: J.J. WATT
San Diego: RYAN KERRIGAN
New York Giants: MIKE POUNCEY
Tampa Bay: AKEEM AYERS
Kansas City: MOHAMMAD WILKERSON
Indianapolis: ANTHONY CASTONOZO
Philadelphia: JIMMY SMITH
New Orleans: CAMERON HEYWARD
Seattle: JAKE LOCKER
Baltimore: AARON WILLIAMS
Atlanta: PHIL TAYLOR
**Buffalo (via NE): TRADES UP; BUFFALO SELECTS RYAN MALLETT
Chicago: GABE CARIMI
New York Jets: JUSTIN HOUSTON
Pittsburgh: DANNY WATKINS
**Washington (via GB): TRADES UP; WASHINGTON SELECTS ANDY DALTON

Gadzooks
04-21-2011, 08:02 PM
LMAO Another D-Lineman. :thumb:

DA_T_84
04-21-2011, 08:03 PM
LMAO Finally, a NT. :thumb:

FYP

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-21-2011, 08:04 PM
Cameron Jordan got picked twice and Ponder went fifth overall. I can't even insult stupidity like that.

DA_T_84
04-21-2011, 08:05 PM
Cameron Jordan got picked twice and Ponder went fifth overall. I can't even insult stupidity like that.

CJ - Whatever do you mean???? :D

And I think Ponder will jump like a Mo****a

Gadzooks
04-21-2011, 08:06 PM
I'd like the Bolts to pick Cam Jordan twice just to make sure they got him. BTW - Arizona won't be taking a QB unless they fire their HC prior to the draft.

DA_T_84
04-21-2011, 08:08 PM
I'd like the Bolts to pick Cam Jordan twice just to make sure they got him. BTW - Arizona won't be taking a QB unless they fire their HC prior to the draft.

Go on....

Gadzooks
04-21-2011, 08:18 PM
- Ponders' injury history will keep him out of the first round
- If Miami doesn't trade out of 16 they won't pick Ingram (too high)
- The Giants have Snee at guard. I don't see them taking a guard in the first while he's on the roster.
I have many other opinions but we'll both be wrong if I keep going.
This is a hard Draft to predict. Nice try though...

Tribal Warfare
04-21-2011, 08:23 PM
FYP

5-tech DE

DA_T_84
04-21-2011, 09:04 PM
5-tech DE

Yeah that's my only drawback to MW .... BUT BUT BUT

He is 315, and thats larger than a lot of the NT prospects. He also plays very, very fast, has great hand work and style, and gets penetration. Furthermore, he can adjust and make the tackle in the backfield rather than letting the RB fly by him.

I think he would fit well with Pioli's obvious desire to increase team speed, and he would help Tamba (and Studebaker) a ton by penetrating from the center.

I think that one pick increases our sack total by 10. Not necessarily caused by him directly, but indirectly.

Also, with the additional pressure, we don't have to rely so heavily on blitzes from the secondary, even though Berry is murderous on those.

HotRoute
04-21-2011, 09:31 PM
What just happened? Mocks like this make my head hurt

DA_T_84
04-21-2011, 09:33 PM
What just happened? Mocks like this make my head hurt

The real draft always makes my head hurt.

I tried to go with some non-traditional picks, and provided explanation.

Put yours up, HR!

Coogs
04-22-2011, 07:59 AM
Why oh why does every single trade scenario always involve New England? That should be made a rule in the new CBA agreement... "No more ******* trades where New England winds up with multiple 1st rounders in future years".

Dave Lane
04-22-2011, 08:11 AM
The real draft always makes my head hurt.

I tried to go with some non-traditional picks, and provided explanation.

Put yours up, HR!

Did I miss the explanation?

DA_T_84
04-22-2011, 09:03 AM
Did I miss the explanation?
Apparently.

Explanation on why I have a lot of QB's, and explanation on why I went with two random ass trades:

I predict a very heavy run on QB's in the first round this year, as there are so many teams with needs, and even though there are 3 "FA" QB's available (VY, DM, KC-via trade) no one can rely on FA pick ups until this lockout ends. Pretty risky. Even the teams who do pick up those FA's will still need QBOTF's.

It's impossible to guess all the trades, but I went with two.


Explanation on why I went with Muhammad Wilkerson with our pick:
Yeah that's my only drawback to MW .... BUT BUT BUT

He is 315, and thats larger than a lot of the NT prospects. He also plays very, very fast, has great hand work and style, and gets penetration. Furthermore, he can adjust and make the tackle in the backfield rather than letting the RB fly by him.

I think he would fit well with Pioli's obvious desire to increase team speed, and he would help Tamba (and Studebaker) a ton by penetrating from the center.

I think that one pick increases our sack total by 10. Not necessarily caused by him directly, but indirectly.

Also, with the additional pressure, we don't have to rely so heavily on blitzes from the secondary, even though Berry is murderous on those.

Maybe the explanation on Ponder going so high? If that's the case, here's why.
AZ is very desperate at QB. They are also in great shape at WR, so the big 2 WR's don't make sense. They could go defense here, sure. It would maybe even be the smart move. But I think they want a QB more than they are letting on. Also factor in, a mock is a complete guess anyways.

With the top two QB's gone, they are left with Mallett, Dalton, Kaepernick, and Ponder. Ponder has been said to be among the most pro-ready WCO QB prospects, and Arizona runs the WCO. He has impressed throughout the offseason and his stock has gradually risen. Earlier this week, Schefter speculated that as many as 5 QB's would go in the first.

They don't go with Mallett because he's a statue and blows coke; They don't go with Dalton because he's a ginger; and they don't go with Kaepernick because they like Ponder more.

Never claimed to be an expert, this is just a humble man's attempt at a mock. Each and every year I am shocked at certain picks, why should this year be any different?

Ted Ginn, Jr. over Quinn? Tyson Jackson 3rd Overall? Derrick Johnson dropping down the board? Jimmy Claussen to the 3rd? Jordy Nelson in the 2nd?

I am always shocked, so I wanted to reflect something shocking in my picks. So there it is.

Pestilence
04-22-2011, 09:17 AM
Jimmy Clausen was drafted in the 2nd round....not the 3rd.

T-post Tom
04-22-2011, 09:25 AM
Overview

Wilkerson was coveted as a football and basketball prospect coming out of high school. He looks like a NFL defensive tackle but moves like the power forward who helped his AAU team to the national tournament.

After one year at Hargrave Military Academy, Temple coaches decided to take advantage of his maturity to play him in 11 games in 2008 (13 tackles, 2.5 for loss, sack, four pass breakups). He started every game over the next two years, looking strong as a true sophomore (61 tackles, 10.5 for loss, seven sacks, four PBU, forced fumble, blocked kick) and even better as a first-team All-MAC pick in 2010 (70 tackles, 13 TFL, 9.5 sacks, 3 PBU, 2 forced fumbles).

Wilkerson's surprising agility intrigues scouts. He'll need to learn to use his hands to be effective at the next level and must build strength in his first couple of NFL seasons, but has the potential to grow into a prototypical 3-4 defensive end or 4-3 tackle. He has been a steady riser during the pre-draft process, and could sneak into the bottom third of the first round.

Analysis

Pass rush: Overwhelms college tackles with size and strength, then chases down quarterbacks with his length and nimble feet. Lacks a quick first step, but flashes a swim move and closing speed to the passer. Feels cut blocks, keeps his hands involved and watches for the quick throw in his direction. Must improve his hand usage to consistently get off blocks inside. Eats up multiple blockers on inside twists to free up other defensive linemen. Effective bull-rushing college tackles when coming from outside the tackle, but rarely pushes back interior linemen. Not sudden or flexible enough to get the corner.

Run defense: Agile five-technique who lines up on either side of the formation. Patient and keeps his eyes in the backfield to contain; very solid in his outside assignment. Comes off outside path or double teams inside to spin/shed, catching back running through the hole. Uses shoulder to hold off blockers while slanting into the backfield. Not exceptional change-of-direction agility but his length allows him to get a hand on ballcarriers trying to get through the hole. Not a dominating interior player despite his size. NFL blockers will win the leverage battle until he gets stronger and more physical inside.

Explosion: Has the potential to be very explosive off the snap, but comes off a bit slow and must use his strength to pop into the chest of blockers. Can utilize his strength and length to hit hard and squeeze the football from a ballcarrier.

Strength: Flashes strong hands, playing with leverage, and the ability to push off linemen to make tackles. Gets stood up at the line too often instead of bull-rushing his man backward or pushing his way through the double-team.

Tackling: Tall, thick frame and long arms make him difficult to avoid in tight quarters and to shed once latched on. Gets a lot of tackles with hustle, keeps his feet moving when chasing from behind. Lacks superior straight-line speed but gives excellent effort to the sideline. Must drop his hips to bring down more elusive pro ballcarriers.

Intangibles: Plays a lot of snaps given his size but gives good effort throughout the game. Attended Hargrave Military Academy. Temple's defensive MVP in 2010. No known character issues.

--Chad Reuter

MahiMike
04-22-2011, 10:35 AM
What's with the terrorist pick?

DA_T_84
04-22-2011, 11:06 AM
Jimmy Clausen was drafted in the 2nd round....not the 3rd.

Fuck Jimmy Pickle.

Chocolate Hog
04-22-2011, 11:11 AM
This mock sucks.

DA_T_84
04-22-2011, 11:13 AM
This mock sucks.

post yours.

DeezNutz
04-22-2011, 11:31 AM
Overview

Wilkerson was coveted as a football and basketball prospect coming out of high school. He looks like a NFL defensive tackle but moves like the power forward who helped his AAU team to the national tournament.

After one year at Hargrave Military Academy, Temple coaches decided to take advantage of his maturity to play him in 11 games in 2008 (13 tackles, 2.5 for loss, sack, four pass breakups). He started every game over the next two years, looking strong as a true sophomore (61 tackles, 10.5 for loss, seven sacks, four PBU, forced fumble, blocked kick) and even better as a first-team All-MAC pick in 2010 (70 tackles, 13 TFL, 9.5 sacks, 3 PBU, 2 forced fumbles).

Wilkerson's surprising agility intrigues scouts. He'll need to learn to use his hands to be effective at the next level and must build strength in his first couple of NFL seasons, but has the potential to grow into a prototypical 3-4 defensive end or 4-3 tackle. He has been a steady riser during the pre-draft process, and could sneak into the bottom third of the first round.

Analysis

Pass rush: Overwhelms college tackles with size and strength, then chases down quarterbacks with his length and nimble feet. Lacks a quick first step, but flashes a swim move and closing speed to the passer. Feels cut blocks, keeps his hands involved and watches for the quick throw in his direction. Must improve his hand usage to consistently get off blocks inside. Eats up multiple blockers on inside twists to free up other defensive linemen. Effective bull-rushing college tackles when coming from outside the tackle, but rarely pushes back interior linemen. Not sudden or flexible enough to get the corner.

Run defense: Agile five-technique who lines up on either side of the formation. Patient and keeps his eyes in the backfield to contain; very solid in his outside assignment. Comes off outside path or double teams inside to spin/shed, catching back running through the hole. Uses shoulder to hold off blockers while slanting into the backfield. Not exceptional change-of-direction agility but his length allows him to get a hand on ballcarriers trying to get through the hole. Not a dominating interior player despite his size. NFL blockers will win the leverage battle until he gets stronger and more physical inside.

Explosion: Has the potential to be very explosive off the snap, but comes off a bit slow and must use his strength to pop into the chest of blockers. Can utilize his strength and length to hit hard and squeeze the football from a ballcarrier.

Strength: Flashes strong hands, playing with leverage, and the ability to push off linemen to make tackles. Gets stood up at the line too often instead of bull-rushing his man backward or pushing his way through the double-team.

Tackling: Tall, thick frame and long arms make him difficult to avoid in tight quarters and to shed once latched on. Gets a lot of tackles with hustle, keeps his feet moving when chasing from behind. Lacks superior straight-line speed but gives excellent effort to the sideline. Must drop his hips to bring down more elusive pro ballcarriers.

Intangibles: Plays a lot of snaps given his size but gives good effort throughout the game. Attended Hargrave Military Academy. Temple's defensive MVP in 2010. No known character issues.

--Chad Reuter

Exactly why the Chiefs won't take him and why I won the mock by taking him for Buffalo at the top of the second.

HotRoute
04-22-2011, 01:33 PM
JUST FOR YOU DANTE84:

CAROLINA: BLAINE GABBERT
DENVER: MARCEL DAREUS
BUFFALO: VON MILLER
CINCINNATI: CAM NEWTON
ARIZONA: PATRICK PETERSON
CLEVELAND: NICK FAIRLEY
SAN FRANCISCO: A.J. GREEN
TENNESSEE: JULIO JONES
DALLAS: PRINCE AMUKAMARA
WASHINGTON: MARK INGRAM
HOUSTON: TYRON SMITH
MINNESOTA: DA'QUAN BOWERS
DETROIT: J.J. WATT
ST. LOUIS: COREY LIUGET
MIAMI: MIKEL LESHORE
JACKSONVILLE: RYAN KERRIGAN
NEW ENGLAND: ROBERT QUINN
SAN DIEGO: CAMERON JORDAN
NEW YORK GIANTS: MIKE POUNCEY
TAMPA BAY: AKEEM AYERS
KANSAS CITY: BROOKS REED
INDIANAPOLIS: ANTHONY CASTONOZO
PHILADELPHIA: JIMMY SMITH
NEW ORLEANS: CAMERON HEYWARD
SEATTLE: JUSTIN HOUSTON
BALTIMORE: MOHAMMAD WILKERSON
ATLANTA: PHIL TAYLOR
NEW ENGLAND: GABE CARIMI
CHICAGO: NATE SOLDER
NEW YORK JETS: CAMERON HEYWARD
PITTSBURGH: AARON WILLIAMS
GREEN BAY: DEREK SHERROD

DA_T_84
04-22-2011, 01:43 PM
JUST FOR YOU DANTE84:

Thanks, babe.

No trades, though?

Puss.

JimBaker48.8
04-22-2011, 01:46 PM
I like your call on CHRISTIAN PONDER. Don't agree with it, but like it because that's one of the things that makes the Draft fun.
BTW, do you really think Aldon Smith falls all the way out of the first round ?

DA_T_84
04-22-2011, 01:54 PM
I like your call on CHRISTIAN PONDER. Don't agree with it, but like it because that's one of the things that makes the Draft fun.
BTW, do you really think Aldon Smith falls all the way out of the first round ?

I think that if there ends up being a huge QB firesale, then someone/some people will drop to round 2.

Honestly? I don't think he will fall out of the first round. There's just too many damned variables to take into account (team needs, etc.), and he slipped through the cracks on this one.

kcbubb
04-25-2011, 12:07 PM
BTW, do you really think Aldon Smith falls all the way out of the first round ?

No way he falls out of the 1st. Dante84 is an idiot.

HotRoute
04-25-2011, 12:11 PM
No way he falls out of the 1st. Dante84 is an idiot.

Where is your mock draft then? Pretty easy to criticize when you don't have to put yourself out there to be criticized as well.

DA_T_84
04-25-2011, 12:12 PM
Hey, bubb, you are right about that.

Also, fuck your mom. No one here likes anything you post.

Pestilence
04-25-2011, 12:16 PM
No way he falls out of the 1st. Dante84 is an idiot.

Says the guy who wants to trade Dorsey.

mcaj22
04-25-2011, 12:41 PM
how would Aldon Smith fall out of the first round exactly let alone be lucky to have him fall to KC at 21 and they would be stupid not to take him.

Gadzooks
04-25-2011, 12:57 PM
The fact that New England is allowed to draft in the first round this year, (they weren't busted for cheating yet), really screws things up in terms of predictions.
We all know they'll rape some team that has a stiffy for a guy who drops and will end up trading for an extra first next year and a nice 2nd or 3rd this year.

My question is... Since the lockout is in effect and no players can be traded, is there anything barring teams from trading for "Future Considerations"? For example: Arizona wants to trade their 1st rounder for Philly's second rounder plus future considerations, (Kolb).
I know this type of honor system is alive and well in the NHL but would it fly in the NFL under these circumstances?

BigCatDaddy
04-25-2011, 01:06 PM
The fact that New England is allowed to draft in the first round this year, (they weren't busted for cheating yet), really screws things up in terms of predictions.
We all know they'll rape some team that has a stiffy for a guy who drops and will end up trading for an extra first next year and a nice 2nd or 3rd this year.

My question is... Since the lockout is in effect and no players can be traded, is there anything barring teams from trading for "Future Considerations"? For example: Arizona wants to trade their 1st rounder for Philly's second rounder plus future considerations, (Kolb).
I know this type of honor system is alive and well in the NHL but would it fly in the NFL under these circumstances?

Yeah, the old player to be named later trade huh? Good question.

kcbubb
04-25-2011, 02:06 PM
how would Aldon Smith fall out of the first round exactly let alone be lucky to have him fall to KC at 21 and they would be stupid not to take him.

This. KC would jump on Aldon Smith at 21. Dante84 is a tard.

kcbubb
04-25-2011, 02:13 PM
Says the guy who wants to trade Dorsey.

Says the guy who wanted Clausen.

If Berry gets picked before us....then I'm all for drafting Clausen. I know it's not going to happen....but I'd be all for it if it does.

And yes it is obvious that Dorsey provides more value to a team that can better utilize his skill set. And we should be able to find 5 tech replacement either in the draft or free agency.

You should find a new hobby because you suck at player evaluation.

Jethopper
04-25-2011, 02:20 PM
Says the guy who wanted Clausen.



And yes it is obvious that Dorsey provides more value to a team that can better utilize his skill set. And we should be able to find 5 tech replacement either in the draft or free agency.

You should find a new hobby because you suck at player evaluation.

:popcorn:

the Talking Can
04-25-2011, 02:22 PM
Says the guy who wanted Clausen.



And yes it is obvious that Dorsey provides more value to a team that can better utilize his skill set. And we should be able to find 5 tech replacement either in the draft or free agency.

You should find a new hobby because you suck at player evaluation.

trading Dorsey is fucking retarded


stop being fucking retarded

Pestilence
04-25-2011, 02:26 PM
Says the guy who wanted Clausen.



And yes it is obvious that Dorsey provides more value to a team that can better utilize his skill set. And we should be able to find 5 tech replacement either in the draft or free agency.

You should find a new hobby because you suck at player evaluation.

And? I never said I had a problem with who you wanted to draft. You're a fucking idiot for wanting to trade Dorsey.

Barret
04-25-2011, 03:00 PM
Well I see that I have to "Put up or shut up" so here is my 1-32 draft and then what I see the Chiefs getting through the rest of the rounds.

CAROLINA: Cameron Newton
DENVER: Marcell DArius
BUFFALO: Nick Fairly
CINCINNATI: A.J Green
ARIZONA: Blaine Gabbert
CLEVELAND: Von Miller
San Fransisco: Patrick Peterson
TENNESSEE: Da'Quan Bowers
DALLAS: Tyron Smith
WASHINGTON: Jake Locker
HOUSTON: Robert Quinn
MINNESOTA: Julio Jones
DETROIT: Prince Amukamara
ST. LOUIS: Cameron Jordon
MIAMI: Ryan Mallet
JACKSONVILLE: Ryan Kerrigan
NEW ENGLAND: Anthony Costanzo
SAN DIEGO: J.J. WAtt
NEW YORK GIANTS: Cory Liuget
TAMPA BAY: Justin Houston
KANSAS CITY: Aldon Smith
INDIANAPOLIS: Gabe Carimi
PHILADELPHIA: Jimmy Smith
NEW ORLEANS: Cameron Heyward
SEATTLE: Brandon Harris
BALTIMORE: Leonard Hankerson
ATLANTA: Derek Sherrod
NEW ENGLAND: Muhammed Wilkerson
CHICAGO: Nate Soldier
NEW YORK JETS: Jabaal Sheard
PITTSBURGH: Stefan Weisneski
GREEN BAY: Martez Wilson

Round 2 Chiefs: Andy Dalton QB
Round 3 Chiefs: Jerrell Powe NT
Round 4 Chiefs: Tim Barnes OC
Round 5 Chiefs: Shane Vereen RB
Round 5 pick 2: Julius Thomas TE
Round 6 Chiefs: Aldrick Robinson WR

DA_T_84
04-25-2011, 03:03 PM
Well I see that I have to "Put up or shut up" so here is my 1-32 draft and then what I see the Chiefs getting through the rest of the rounds.

CAROLINA: Cameron Newton
DENVER:
BUFFALO:
CINCINNATI:
ARIZONA:
CLEVELAND:
San Fransisco
TENNESSEE:
DALLAS:
WASHINGTON:
HOUSTON:
MINNESOTA:
DETROIT:
ST. LOUIS:
MIAMI:
JACKSONVILLE:
NEW ENGLAND:
SAN DIEGO:
NEW YORK GIANTS:
TAMPA BAY:
KANSAS CITY:
INDIANAPOLIS:
PHILADELPHIA:
NEW ORLEANS:
SEATTLE:
BALTIMORE:
ATLANTA:
NEW ENGLAND:
CHICAGO:
NEW YORK JETS:
PITTSBURGH:
GREEN BAY:

When will you understand? Lockout MEANS LOCKOUT!

Barret
04-25-2011, 03:42 PM
When will you understand? Lockout MEANS LOCKOUT!

Lol, this is what happens when you try to do this stuff at work and the boss comes in and you get all click happy trying to shut stuff down off the screen.

DA_T_84
04-25-2011, 06:12 PM
Lol, this is what happens when you try to do this stuff at work and the boss comes in and you get all click happy trying to shut stuff down off the screen.

Just giving ya shit ;)

I like that mock, very reasonable. I noticed you have Pouncey slipping out of the first?

Barret
04-25-2011, 07:33 PM
Yea, I used the Drafttek.com website and it's draft simulator. If there is someone I like or think there is a need that is picked after The Chiefs pick I can lock that player out. The Sim had Aldon Smith dropping to New Orleans I think originally at 23 so I locked him out as a first round pick for the Chiefs at 21

Same thing happened at round 2 where Dalton was taken by Seattle or something about 2 to 3 slots down. A lot of the QB's were gone by then and they assigned value to all those picks, Dalton wasn't that bad of a loss on value and there wasn't any other real choices there, so I locked him out.

Everything else is done by the simulator as far as picks.

As far as your question about Pouncy, yea the sim had him going in the early second round. No way to go up and get him and it was a value loss to do it so I didn't.