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journeyscarab
04-23-2011, 01:04 PM
1.Carolina Panthers: Cam Newton QB Auburn
2.Denver Broncos: Marcell Dareus DT Alabama
3.Buffalo Bills: Von Miller LB Texas A&M
4.Cincinnati Bengals: Blaine Gabbert QB Mizzou
5.Arizona Cardinals: Patrick Peterson CB LSU
6.Cleveland Browns: A.J Green WR Georgia
7.San Francisco 49ers: Robert Quinn DE North Carolina
8.Tennesse Titans: Nick Fairley DT Auburn
9.Dallas Cowboys: Mike Pouncey C/G Florida
10.Washington Redskins: Julio Jones WR Alabama
11.Houston Texans: Aldon Smith LB Mizzou
12.Minnesota Vikings: Jake Locker QB Washington
13.Detroit Lions: Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska
14.St.Louis Rams: Ryan Kerrigan DE Purdue
15.Miami Dolphins: Mark Ingram RB Alabama
16.Jacksonville Jaguars: Ryan Mallett QB Arkansas
17.New England Patriots: Cameron Jordan DE California
18.San Diego Chargers: J.J Watt DE Wisconsin
19.New York Giants: Anthony Castonzo OT Boston College
20.Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Da'Quan Bowers DE Clemson
21.Kansas City Chiefs: Akeem Ayers LB UCLA
22.Indianapolis Colts: Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin
23.Philadelphia Eagles: Derrok Sherrod OT Mississippi State
24.New Orleans Saints: Marvin Austin DT North Carolina
25.Seattle Seahawks: Colin Kaepernick QB Nevada
26.Baltimore Ravens: Muhammed Wilkerson DT/DE Temple
27.Atlanta Falcons: Kyle Rudolph TE Notre Dame
28.New England Patriots: Brooks Reed LB Arizona
29.Chicago Bears: Nate Solder OT Colorado
30.New York Jets: Phil Taylor NT Baylor
31.Pittsburgh Steelers: Aaron Williams CB Texas
32.Green Bay Packers: Jon Baldwin WR Pittsburgh

Bowser
04-23-2011, 01:54 PM
I may literally laugh until I pee myself if Carolina takes Cam Newton.


If Houston nabs Aldon Smith, that is going to be one fierce pass rush with Mario Williams on the other side.

Urc Burry
04-23-2011, 02:40 PM
I may literally laugh until I pee myself if Carolina takes Cam Newton.


If Houston nabs Aldon Smith, that is going to be one fierce pass rush with Mario Williams on the other side.
Thats what it's looking like if they can't get out of the pick..which i highly doubt they will

been watching nfl network and it seems like their consensus top 10 is

1. Newton
2. Dareus
3. Miller
4. Green
5. Gabbert
6.Quinn
7. Peterson
8. Fairley
9. Smith
10. Jones

Not saying your wrong, that's just what i've been seeing a lot

ChiefGator
04-23-2011, 03:07 PM
Pouncey at 9? Seriously?

Pestilence
04-23-2011, 03:12 PM
ROFL at the Packers taking Baldwin.

DeezNutz
04-23-2011, 03:19 PM
ROFL at the Packers taking Baldwin.

Really? I'm not saying I'm right, but I wouldn't have this reaction at all. They're in the perfect place to take this type of player, if they believe in him.

The Pouncey pick is dumb as fuck, though, and Cleveland would clearly have the steal of the draft.

Mr. Laz
04-23-2011, 06:53 PM
Pouncey at 9? Seriously?
man, that's freaking high

i think it's too high for Ayers at #21 too

ChiefsCountry
04-23-2011, 06:57 PM
i think it's too high for Ayers at #21 too

He is going to be our pick.

Mr. Laz
04-23-2011, 07:00 PM
He is going to be our pick.
imo Ayers is a 2nd round talent

Could he be a guy that surpasses his talent level etc? yes.

But i wouldn't bet on it.

ChiefsCountry
04-23-2011, 07:39 PM
imo Ayers is a 2nd round talent

Could he be a guy that surpasses his talent level etc? yes.

But i wouldn't bet on it.

I don't see a superstar in him, but a solid 10 year starter. I think his skill set fits perfect for what the Chiefs use in an outside backer.

milkman
04-23-2011, 08:09 PM
I don't see a superstar in him, but a solid 10 year starter. I think his skill set fits perfect for what the Chiefs use in an outside backer.

That's the thing.

Ayers doesn't excite me, but I think he's exactly the kind player that Pioli likes.

My hope, should we select him, is that he plays above the level of his play at UCLA as an NFL player, much as Matthews in Green Bay has.

MagicHef
04-23-2011, 08:12 PM
I may literally laugh until I pee myself if Carolina takes Cam Newton.

This. I guess I can see the ticket sales argument, but Rivera just doesn't strike me as the type to put up with Newton's antics. I hope they take Dareus, leaving Denver with a choice between the 2 best defenders in the draft, Peterson and Miller.

Halfcan
04-23-2011, 08:13 PM
I think we pick Carimi. Just seems to be a "safe" pick.

JASONSAUTO
04-23-2011, 08:13 PM
Didn't he play at ucla milky?
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milkman
04-23-2011, 08:16 PM
Didn't he play at ucla milky?
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Yeah, sorry.

Got my wires crossed cause I was drawing the comparison to Matthews.

I'm thinking Ayers will perform at a higher level in the NFL than he did as a college player.

JASONSAUTO
04-23-2011, 08:17 PM
Yeah, sorry.

Got my wires crossed cause I was drawing the comparison to Matthews.

I'm thinking Ayers will perform at a higher level in the than he did as a college player.

I agree. Just threw me off for a minute
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BossChief
04-23-2011, 08:28 PM
Haha milk has been reading so much sac dumbassery that its starting to rub off.

milkman
04-23-2011, 08:38 PM
Haha milk has been reading so much sac dumbassery that its starting to rub off.

What?

I'm not comparing skillsets.

BossChief
04-23-2011, 08:58 PM
Just flipping ya a bit of shit over the USC thing. Honestly, Ayers Is a good player, but how good will he be in the NFL with his lacking speed trying to cover the tight ends he would be facing?

I expected a much faster time than a 4.8+ as a first round prospect.

-King-
04-23-2011, 10:20 PM
Really? I'm not saying I'm right, but I wouldn't have this reaction at all. They're in the perfect place to take this type of player, if they believe in him.

The Pouncey pick is dumb as fuck, though, and Cleveland would clearly have the steal of the draft.

Only reason Id see them taking Baldwin is if they see James Jones AND Jordy Nelson leaving this off season.

TRR
04-23-2011, 10:29 PM
I would be happy with Ayers @ 21. I'm never in love with a OT in the first round, and I feel that the need of the KC OL is in the middle anyway. I also am not extremely excited about Phil Taylor.

If they can draft Ayers at 21, and can come back and get Hankerson in round two, and Powe in round 3, I would be pretty happy.

The two biggest needs IMO on this team right now is another pass rusher at OLB, and a WR opposite Bowe.
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DeezNutz
04-23-2011, 10:38 PM
Only reason Id see them taking Baldwin is if they see James Jones AND Jordy Nelson leaving this off season.

Just a different cat. No way in fuck do I believe that Nelson is 6'3", so Baldwin would be a far more physical receiver than anything else they have.

That said, I realize they're loaded at this position.

ChiefsCountry
04-23-2011, 10:50 PM
That's the thing.

Ayers doesn't excite me, but I think he's exactly the kind player that Pioli likes.

My hope, should we select him, is that he plays above the level of his play at UCLA as an NFL player, much as Matthews in Green Bay has.

I don't see him being a Matthews type. We got that in Tamba. I think Ayers could be better than Vrabel was during the Pats run, a cross between McGinest and Vrabel is what I picture him as.

ChiefsCountry
04-23-2011, 10:51 PM
The two biggest needs IMO on this team right now is another pass rusher at OLB, and a WR opposite Bowe.
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Actually QB and NT are the most important needs.

SNR
04-23-2011, 11:43 PM
I prefer Carimi or Sherrod over Ayers, but if the draft falls that way, I won't be upset with the pick. Just... underwhelmed, that's all.

Then again, I was underwhelmed about Tamba Hali when we drafted him.

TRR
04-24-2011, 07:39 AM
Actually QB and NT are the most important needs.

Your opinion.

You can argue NT, however QB isn't even close to the biggest need on this team when your starting Kevin Curtis at WR, an ancient Mike Vrabel at OLB, and Ron Edwards at NT.
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milkman
04-24-2011, 07:44 AM
Your opinion.

You can argue NT, however QB isn't even close to the biggest need on this team when your starting Kevin Curtis at WR, an ancient Mike Vrabel at OLB, and Ron Edwards at NT.
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It doesn't matter who you're starting at any other position, if you don't have a QB, then that's always your biggest need.

Now, if you want to debate that Cassel is the QB that this team can win with, then that's an entirely different debate, and it's been hashed and rehashed.

JimBaker48.8
04-24-2011, 09:18 AM
If Houston nabs Aldon Smith, that is going to be one fierce pass rush with Mario Williams on the other side.
I am a Texans fan besides being a Chiefs fan and the talk down here is that Smith is the single most likely player to be taken with Houston's first round pick, though others are also in strong contension like a DLineman or CB.
I got a lot of mixed feelings about Smith, but several Chiefs fans on this Board who are also obviously Mizzou fans know Smith very well from his college background and seem to think he's got real talent and potential as a NFL edge-rusher ?

milkman
04-24-2011, 09:31 AM
I am a Texans fan besides being a Chiefs fan and the talk down here is that Smith is the single most likely player to be taken with Houston's first round pick, though others are also in strong contension like a DLineman or CB.
I got a lot of mixed feelings about Smith, but several Chiefs fans on this Board who are also obviously Mizzou fans know Smith very well from his college background and seem to think he's got real talent and potential as a NFL edge-rusher ?

I'm a Chiefs fan.

Every other team is the enemy.

JASONSAUTO
04-24-2011, 09:34 AM
I'm a Chiefs fan.

Every other team is the enemy.

This.
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Dave Lane
04-24-2011, 09:50 AM
It doesn't matter who you're starting at any other position, if you don't have a QB, then that's always your biggest need.


That.

chiefsnorth
04-24-2011, 12:17 PM
Has anyone looked at which of these guys were team captains? Seems they really gravitate toward those guys.

MDHQ
04-24-2011, 03:53 PM
Very nice mock

Chiefshrink
04-24-2011, 04:12 PM
Pioli is presently debating will it be Pouncey, Carimi or Wisnewski(sp?) IMO. All safe picks.

Chiefshrink
04-24-2011, 04:13 PM
No way Jerry drafts a G/C at 9. Besides Jerry is alllllllllllllllllllll about show.

TRR
04-24-2011, 04:41 PM
It doesn't matter who you're starting at any other position, if you don't have a QB, then that's always your biggest need.

Now, if you want to debate that Cassel is the QB that this team can win with, then that's an entirely different debate, and it's been hashed and rehashed.

And I think anyone that has read my posts/replies understands my thoughts on Cassel...and QB isn't the biggest need.
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milkman
04-24-2011, 06:11 PM
And I think anyone that has read my posts/replies understands my thoughts on Cassel...and QB isn't the biggest need.
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I know how you feel about Cassel.

I don't care.

I am only making the point that QB is the most important position.

Cassel hasn't yet proven either side of the debate right or wrong yet.

From that perspective, QB is still the greatest need.

BossChief
04-24-2011, 06:40 PM
I know how you feel about Cassel.

I don't care.

I am only making the point that QB is the most important position.

Cassel hasn't yet proven either side of the debate right or wrong yet.

From that perspective, QB is still the greatest need.yup

His age just compounds the issue IMO.

crazycoffey
04-24-2011, 07:26 PM
I know how you feel about Cassel.

I don't care.

I am only making the point that QB is the most important position.

Cassel hasn't yet proven either side of the debate right or wrong yet.

From that perspective, QB is still the greatest need.


it could be argued a WR and OL improvment = cassel improvment

Mr. Laz
04-24-2011, 07:38 PM
Pioli is presently debating will it be Pouncey, Carimi or Wisnewski(sp?) IMO. All safe picks.
you seem to be saying that like it's a bad thing?

well so far the "right 53" and the "safe pick" seems to have turned the Chiefs around in a shorter time than any of us imagined. Some people have done nothing but bitch since day 1 of Pioli's time ... give the guy a chance.

crazycoffey
04-24-2011, 07:39 PM
I read that Akeem Ayers is 16 on Mel K's board, many many first round grades from several pundits and I'm reading here that's too high for him? gotta love CP....

Mr. Laz
04-24-2011, 07:44 PM
I read that Akeem Ayers is 16 on Mel K's board, many many first round grades from several pundits and I'm reading here that's too high for him? gotta love CP....
like that's a CP thing ... there a million different opinions about 90% of the players in the draft.

SNR
04-24-2011, 08:17 PM
I read that Akeem Ayers is 16 on Mel K's board, many many first round grades from several pundits and I'm reading here that's too high for him? gotta love CP....From the footage I've seen, he's slow and isn't really that great of a tackler. Doesn't always get the right edge in run support.

I'm not sure what the "experts" are talking about.

philfree
04-24-2011, 08:55 PM
From the footage I've seen, he's slow and isn't really that great of a tackler. Doesn't always get the right edge in run support.

I'm not sure what the "experts" are talking about.

I see it a little differently. To me Ayres does his job very well but he doesn't look flashy doing it. He just does what he's supposed to do and makes it look to easy. Kind of like a studio musician compared to a live entertainer. The studio musician makes better music but the live entertainer makes what he does look harder and cooler.


PhilFree:arrow:

TRR
04-24-2011, 09:52 PM
I know how you feel about Cassel.

I don't care.

I am only making the point that QB is the most important position.

Cassel hasn't yet proven either side of the debate right or wrong yet.

From that perspective, QB is still the greatest need.

What exactly would Cassel have to do to "prove" the debate wrong (i.e: That he is the right QB for the job) in your eyes?

I don't want to get into the debate, however I'm wondering what your measuring the debate on....

philfree
04-24-2011, 10:01 PM
What exactly would Cassel have to do to "prove" the debate wrong (i.e: That he is the right QB for the job) in your eyes?

I don't want to get into the debate, however I'm wondering what your measuring the debate on....

Let me help.

He needs to lead a last minute comeback win in the playoffs agaisnt the Ravens D with no blocking, no running game and no WRs. And no defense either. He needs to lead 3 4th qtr comebacks all in the same game.


PhilFree:arrow:

SNR
04-24-2011, 10:03 PM
What exactly would Cassel have to do to "prove" the debate wrong (i.e: That he is the right QB for the job) in your eyes?

I don't want to get into the debate, however I'm wondering what your measuring the debate on....I can tell you that for me, I was very disappointed that we traded for Cassel instead of drafting a franchise QB. So to prove my disappointment wrong, he has to do the things that a franchise QB should do, which is the thing that no Chiefs QB has done in awhile:

Win a playoff game. So far he's 0-1. If he gets another chance this year, I hope like hell that he has a better performance than he did in January

SNR
04-24-2011, 10:05 PM
Let me help.

He needs to lead a last minute comeback win in the playoffs agaisnt the Ravens D with no blocking, no running game and no WRs. And no defense either. He needs to lead 3 4th qtr comebacks all in the same game.


PhilFree:arrow:No, he just needs to win one. At the very least, he shouldn't throw those idiot bone-headed interceptions that he did

philfree
04-24-2011, 10:11 PM
No, he just needs to win one. At the very least, he shouldn't throw those idiot bone-headed interceptions that he did

Without going back and linking it the truth is he has done so more then once in his career. That said I'm not pimping the guy I'm just trying to see the reality of Matt Cassel.


PhilFree:arrow:

crazycoffey
04-24-2011, 11:26 PM
like that's a CP thing ... there a million different opinions about 90% of the players in the draft.


and nearly all of them opinion givers have interviewed all the players less than you, right? :Poke:

it is a cp thing. optimism is rowned upon often.
I'm not trying to champion for ayers, just like to laugh at some of the talk.

if ayers is the guy todd, scott and romeo thinks helps this team and there's not a better option on their board at 21, they have to ask "is ayers going to still be there in the second when we pick?" If the answer is probably not, then you take him.

A lot of posters on CP often times, let draft grades carry to much weight in their takes, JMHO.

there is no such thing as a little to early to pick unless its a full round to early.

milkman
04-25-2011, 07:21 PM
What exactly would Cassel have to do to "prove" the debate wrong (i.e: That he is the right QB for the job) in your eyes?

I don't want to get into the debate, however I'm wondering what your measuring the debate on....

Continue to improve on his progress during last season and play with a little more consistency through the 2011 season, and into the playoffs.

SNR
04-25-2011, 07:32 PM
and nearly all of them opinion givers have interviewed all the players less than you, right? :Poke:

it is a cp thing. optimism is rowned upon often.
I'm not trying to champion for ayers, just like to laugh at some of the talk.

if ayers is the guy todd, scott and romeo thinks helps this team and there's not a better option on their board at 21, they have to ask "is ayers going to still be there in the second when we pick?" If the answer is probably not, then you take him.
That's assuming that Todd and Scott think that there are no other players who will make as big of an impact or do as well on the Chiefs as Ayers.

I and many others simply believe there are many possible selections out there who will be better players in the NFL.

That's what's great about the draft. We're free to have these kind of discussions until the draft happens. Then all we're doing is posting poop threads and making weak speculations about how the season will go. Personally, I know what I'd rather be talking about.