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Chiefshrink
04-25-2011, 12:01 PM
Kudos again to "The Grand Illusion" for this article as well.

http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/10/hawaii-official-and-ex-official-lie-to-cover-their-tracks/

Hawaii Official and Ex-Official Lie to Cover Their Tracks

DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN RAMPS UP IN RESPONSE TO DONALD TRUMP’S ASSERTIONS THAT OBAMA HAS NOT SHOWN A REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE
by Miki Booth


Dr. Chiyome Fukino lied on national TV when she said that the "Certification of Live Birth" is all a person can obtain from the Health Department. And what gave her the right to "inspect" Obama's records if they are closed by state law?

(Apr. 10, 2011) — Donald Trump is really turning the heat up on Obama’s missing birth certificate and far-left zealots have found it necessary to drag ex-Hawai’i official, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, former director of Hawaii’s Department of Health, back to the podium to recite her tale of viewing the elusive document. This time, unlike her first obtuse and lawyered-up comments, Fukino has gotten bolder since Abercrombie slipped his Obama “born in Hawaii” sentence into the 50th anniversary commemorative bill.

But the latest attempt to put out the flames has backfired and exposed some naughty children huddled in a back room playing with matches. Michael Isikoff, MSNBC’s “so-called” national investigative correspondent, was caught with Joshua Wisch, former chairman of Howard Dean’s presidential campaign in Hawaii. Now spokesman for the Hawaii attorney general’s office, Wisch apparently colluded with Fukino to validate Obama’s alleged “Certification of Live Birth.”

“What he got, everybody got,” said Fukino. “He put out exactly what everybody gets when they ask for a birth certificate.”

Not true, Dr. Fukino. When my son, Alan, requested a copy of his birth certificate he got just that—a “Certificate of Live Birth,” not the same as Obama’s. Different titles and different information. Obama’s is sorely lacking information required for obtaining a passport—Mother’s State/Country of Birth and Father’s State/Country of Birth.

Short-Form Certificate of Live Birth obtained by Alan Booth, who was born in Hawaii. The document contains a raised seal, which Obama's Certification of Live Birth did not.

It appears specific people are lining up to take a bullet for Obama. Conspiracy to defraud the American people is a serious crime and MSNBC has become the epitome of yellow journalism, brashly covering-up for Obama and the entire anti-American agenda of the socialist left. This latest cover-up attempt is laughable and speaks volumes to the desperation of the Democrat Party.

Michael Isikoff writes, “But Wisch, the spokesman for the attorney general’s office, said state law does not in fact permit the release of “vital records,” including an original “record of live birth” — even to the individual whose birth it records.

“It’s a Department of Health record and it can’t be released to anybody,” he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorized such records to be photocopied, Wisch said. If Obama wanted to personally visit the state health department, he would be permitted to inspect his birth record, Wisch said.

But if he or anybody else wanted a copy of their birth records, they would be told to fill out the appropriate state form and receive back the same computer-generated “certification of live birth” form that everybody else gets — which is exactly what Obama did four years ago.”

Not true, Mr. Wisch. A friend of mine filled out the appropriate state form and received back a “certificate of live birth” as shown below:

Long-Form Certificate of Live Birth from the state of Hawaii received in March 2011 by the requester
Enough with the lies already. You will be held accountable.

As long as the debate over Obama’s birth records drag on, we will have that much more time to inform Americans that the birth certificate doesn’t even matter. We don’t care whether he has one or not; Obama is clearly illegally occupying the office of US President since he is not by any stretch of the imagination an Article II, Section I, clause 5 “natural born Citizen” born of two citizen parents on American soil. It becomes more evident every day that his allegiance is not to the United States of America.

Truth will out.

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Editor’s Note: The Post & Email will be calling Mr. Wisch tomorrow to confront him with his false statements about obtaining vital records in Hawaii. We will also be contacting for the third time the Health Department, Governor Neil Abercrombie, and Lt. Gov. Brian Schatz, all of whom have spokespersons who have failed to return our calls or answer our letters regarding the many contradictions evident in Obama’s birth story and documentation, or lack thereof. The Health Department registrar, Dr. Alvin Onaka, whose stamp appears on the long-form document above, is apparently squeamish about picking up the telephone and answering our questions.

How many people will be going to jail over this massive cover-up? And what else, other than Obama’s “records,” are they hiding? Perhaps 50 years of defrauding the federal government?

CoMoChief
04-25-2011, 02:08 PM
Well the issue can just be summed up like so....

If he had a real birth certificate, then he'd show it (given there seems to be a national outcry over this issue). I'm sure GWB, Clinton, GHWB, or Reagan wouldn't have ANY trouble at all getting a real birth certificate.

And sure as shit, those past presidents wouldn't be spending millions of dollars with lawyers out the ass, trying to keep everything hush hush.

I think I can say this for a lot of people. If he has the birth certificate, then please show it. It'd actually make me happy (and I'm sure millions of others) for him to be able to show it.

BUT...he doesn't show it....and he won't. WHY? Well it's because of 2 things: (1) He doesn't have it because he lost it (and even if he lost it you can get another one...costs usually around $70....I had to get one from the state of Illinois....had to fill out some paperwork and sent it in with a check, got the BC in a few weeks. It's not hard. Or (2)...he doesn't have one simply because he wasn't born here in the United States.

Amnorix
04-25-2011, 06:28 PM
Well the issue can just be summed up like so...."birthers" are a bunch of whackos who refuse to accept the unbiased statements of state officials, some of whom are Republicans, but instead insist on clinging on their nutty notions

FYP

The_Grand_Illusion
04-25-2011, 10:19 PM
FYP

Ok, then explain why the recent copy of a birth certificate this author posted is different from the one they issued Obama? Note the date on the copy is from March of this year. If Fukino claimed everyone gets the same birth certificate as the one issued to Obama, then why is this one different? It only adds to the suspicion.

http://www.thepostemail.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Long-form-BC-from-Hawaii.jpg

Thanks Sportsshrink for checking this out.

Amnorix
04-26-2011, 06:09 AM
Ok, then explain why the recent copy of a birth certificate this author posted is different from the one they issued Obama? Note the date on the copy is from March of this year. If Fukino claimed everyone gets the same birth certificate as the one issued to Obama, then why is this one different? It only adds to the suspicion.


Thanks Sportsshrink for checking this out.


The overwhelming weight of evidence is that he was born in Hawaii. There's nothing more to say. When there are contemporaneous newspaper articles about it along with the certifications of the state official in charge of such matters, you're done. You've got overwhelming proof at that point. Trying to find extremely minor discrepancies is an exercise in absolute silliness.

Amnorix
04-26-2011, 08:13 AM
Well this is timely. At this point the only words to describe the evidence that Obama was, in fact, born in Hawaii, are "absolutely overwhelming."


http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/25/birthers.obama.hawaii/index.html?hpt=C1


(CNN) -- Was Barack Obama really born in America?

A new CNN investigation reveals what most analysts have been saying since the "birther" controversy (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/15/debunking-the-birther-claim/) erupted during the 2008 presidential campaign: Obama was born Hawaii on August 4, 1961. Period.

While the president has made light of the controversy, the question remains political red meat for some of his critics. A recent CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll showed that nearly 75% of Americans believe Obama was definitely or probably born in the United States. More than four in 10 Republicans, however, believe he probably or definitely was not born in America.

The U.S. Constitution says only "natural born" citizens can become president -- a vague clause that some members of the birther movement contend disqualifies Obama because, they insist, he was born outside the United States.

Skeptics contend, among other things, that Obama was born in his father's home country of Kenya. Potential GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump recently seized on the issue, saying he had doubts about Obama's background.

CNN investigators in Honolulu found nothing to reinforce those doubts.
Dr. Chiyome Fukino, a former director of the Hawaii Department of Health and a Republican, told CNN in her most extensive comments to date that she has "no doubt" Obama was born in the state.

Obama's 2008 campaign produced a certification of live birth, a document legally accepted as confirmation of a birth and routinely used for official purposes. Fukino went one step further, taking advantage of a state law that allows certain public officials to examine a person's actual birth certificate if there is a "direct and tangible interest."

The president's certificate, she said, is stored in a vault in the building that houses the Department of Health. Ironically, unlike the certificate of live birth, it is no longer accepted for official usage.

Obama's certificate is "absolutely authentic," she said. "He was absolutely born here in the state of Hawaii."

To see what happens when someone born in Hawaii requests a birth certificate, CNN asked a current resident of the state -- Stig Waidelich -- if he could get a copy of the document.

Waidelich was born hours after Obama in August 1961. Like Obama, Waidelich's birth was announced at the time in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin newspaper.

Waidelich, like Obama in 2008, was given a certification of live birth in response to his request.

Could Obama's 1961 birth announcement in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin be a fake? Some conspiracy theorists say yes. Longtime Honolulu newspaper reporter Dan Nakaso says no.
"It's not possible," Nakaso said. "Under the system that existed back th
en, there was no avenue for people to submit information that way. ... The information came directly from the state Department of Health."

Indeed, as CNN confirmed, all birth announcements at the time came directly from hospital birth records.

Could Obama, a self-proclaimed Christian, be preventing the distribution of copies of the original birth certificate because it identifies him as a Muslim?

Fukino says no. The original certificate includes no mention of the president's religion. And indeed, other original certificates from that time don't mention faith.

Obama could file a Freedom of Information Act request to view his original birth certificate and make copies. But at this point, the White House maintains, nothing will satisfy the doubters.

Rick Smethurst, a 2008 John McCain voter who now lives in Obama's childhood home in Hawaii, counts himself among the doubters. He said he wants to find someone who saw Obama immediately after the president was born.

Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie said he did. Abercrombie, a Democrat, was friendly with Ann Dunham, Obama's mother, and remembers celebrating the birth.

"Of course, we had no idea at the time that the future president of the United States was that little boy, that little baby," Abercrombie recalled. But "we are very, very happy ... that took place."

Professor Alice Dewey of the University of Hawaii was a faculty adviser to Dunham and also knew the future president when he was a child. She called the controversy "funny." She said there is "no way" Obama wasn't born in the state.

Dewey remembered a conversation in which Dunham compared the birth of Obama with that of his sister, Maya, who was born overseas.

"She said, 'When I had Maya, it was a lot of more difficult because Indonesia doesn't believe in painkillers while you're giving birth. ... Of course, in the United States, giving birth to Barry (Obama's childhood nickname) was quite different and much more comfortable,' " Dewey recalled.

Waidelich's mother, Monika, said she believes she saw Obama in Honolulu's Kapi'olani Medical Center next to her son in 1961.

"In those days, there were hardly any other black babies," she said.

The hospital wouldn't show patient records from 1961, but the state's African-American population was less than 1% at the time.

Regardless of the evidence, there may be no convincing some of those who question the president's origins.

"I find it a bit amusing in the sense that (the issue) keeps resurfacing over and over again," Fukino said. "It really tells us that the whole conspiracy notion is out there (and) that if there is an issue that needs a following, they will find one.

"No matter what you do or say, it make no difference," she said.

Abercrombie, who tried to put an end to the controversy when he became governor, said he hopes that "people who have this political orientation toward the president respect us here in Hawaii."

"Respect his mother and father," the governor urged. "Respect the people I loved and the people that I knew, and the little boy who grew up here in paradise and became president."

That, the evidence suggests, may be easier said than done.

Royal Fanatic
04-26-2011, 08:36 AM
What's really going on here is that Obama is laughing his ass off at these idiotic birthers. They spend all of their time and energy on this obsession, when that time and energy could be spend more productively trying to find a viable candidate who could defeat him in 2012.

Donald Trump is not a viable candidate. If the Republicans are f*cking stupid enough to nominate him or any other Birther, Obama will win in a landslide.

Obama probably COULD produce another document and end this controversy. Why the hell would he want to do that?

Chiefshrink
04-26-2011, 09:08 AM
All along I have said that I am a "Proofer" not a "Birther". My guess is that he was probably born in Hawaii. But the actual place he was born is more 'secondary' than 'primary'. His whole nativity story is a lie regardless of where he was born. His parents were never married and never lived at the address posted with the newspaper announcements in the Hawaii newspapers. Those newspaper announcements prove nothing especially when they were posted 8 days afterwards.

What is on his long BC form along with all his academic records from kindergarten on through Harvard that he pays millions of $$ to conceal ? Rove and the Lefty Marxists are actually on the same page of covering for Obama on this because Rove thinks it's a political trap and the Lefty Marxists (high up) know Obama is thoroughly manufactured and not eligible to serve not to mention having lied to the American public about his supposed nativity story:thumb:.

Sr. is not his daddy?-BC
Potential dual citizenship?-BC
Foreign national?-academic records
Claimed Muslim?-academic records

Who knows?

Royal Fanatic
04-26-2011, 09:10 AM
All along I have said that I am a "Proofer" not a "Birther".
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

Chiefshrink
04-26-2011, 09:12 AM
What's really going on here is that Obama is laughing his ass off at these idiotic birthers. They spend all of their time and energy on this obsession, when that time and energy could be spend more productively trying to find a viable candidate who could defeat him in 2012.

Donald Trump is not a viable candidate. If the Republicans are f*cking stupid enough to nominate him or any other Birther, Obama will win in a landslide.

Obama probably COULD produce another document and end this controversy. Why the hell would he want to do that?

What do Jean Paul Ludwig and Obama have in common?

SSN#:thumb:
How did that happen?

The Marxists say clerical error.ROFLROFL

Royal Fanatic
04-26-2011, 09:25 AM
What do Jean Paul Ludwig and Obama have in common?

SSN#:thumb:
How did that happen?

The Marxists say clerical error.ROFLROFL
Obama thanks you for helping his chances for re-election. This is NOT a winning strategy for getting him out of the White House.

Amnorix
04-26-2011, 02:18 PM
All along I have said that I am a "Proofer" not a "Birther". My guess is that he was probably born in Hawaii. But the actual place he was born is more 'secondary' than 'primary'. His whole nativity story is a lie regardless of where he was born. His parents were never married and never lived at the address posted with the newspaper announcements in the Hawaii newspapers. Those newspaper announcements prove nothing especially when they were posted 8 days afterwards.

What is on his long BC form along with all his academic records from kindergarten on through Harvard that he pays millions of $$ to conceal ? Rove and the Lefty Marxists are actually on the same page of covering for Obama on this because Rove thinks it's a political trap and the Lefty Marxists (high up) know Obama is thoroughly manufactured and not eligible to serve not to mention having lied to the American public about his supposed nativity story:thumb:.

Sr. is not his daddy?-BC
Potential dual citizenship?-BC
Foreign national?-academic records
Claimed Muslim?-academic records

Who knows?

As previously noted, he hasn't "paid millions of $$" to conceal anything.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/no-president-obama-hasnt-spent-millions-to-keep-his-birth-certificate-private/

Amnorix
04-26-2011, 02:20 PM
What do Jean Paul Ludwig and Obama have in common?

SSN#:thumb:
How did that happen?

The Marxists say clerical error.ROFLROFL


Let me put it this way -- there is FAR less "proof" that Obama has the same SSN as Ludwig than there is that Obama was born in Hawaii. Yet you grasp at that straw as if it was etched on the Ten Commandments.

Please show me an original social security card, validly issued and certified by the SSA for each individual showing that both gentlemen had the exact same SSN, or I call bullshit.

Donger
04-26-2011, 02:24 PM
Obama could file a Freedom of Information Act request to view his original birth certificate and make copies. But at this point, the White House maintains, nothing will satisfy the doubters.

Interesting. I hadn't considered a FOIA request.

Amnorix
04-26-2011, 02:34 PM
Interesting. I hadn't considered a FOIA request.

Seriously, why lift a finger to answer the nutjobs? They'll just find some other paranoid delusion to focus on to his detriment. Let them wallow in their obvious absurdity and point and laugh, would be my strategy as well.

ClevelandBronco
04-26-2011, 02:35 PM
Let me put it this way -- there is FAR less "proof" that Obama has the same SSN as Ludwig than there is that Obama was born in Hawaii. Yet you grasp at that straw as if it was etched on the Ten Commandments.

Please show me an original social security card, validly issued and certified by the SSA for each individual showing that both gentlemen had the exact same SSN, or I call bullshit.

You're demanding documentation now? :banghead:

Donger
04-26-2011, 02:35 PM
Seriously, why lift a finger to answer the nutjobs? They'll just find some other paranoid delusion to focus on to his detriment. Let them wallow in their obvious absurdity and point and laugh, would be my strategy as well.

Someone claimed that Obama couldn't gain access and make available the actual certificate even if wanted to do so.

chiefsnorth
04-26-2011, 02:45 PM
Seriously, why lift a finger to answer the nutjobs? .

Because it would be quite easy to end the distraction once and for all?

I don't buy that there is not something they are hiding. If this had been easy to dispel they would have done it already.

In my opinion, he is probably a natural born citizen but they feel something else related to the birth certificate would embarrass him.

I think much more sensible than thinking he was born in Kenya is the position that significant liberties were taken with his past in his memoirs (by whomever wrote them) and somehow the BC would start things up that path.

Amnorix
04-26-2011, 02:57 PM
Someone claimed that Obama couldn't gain access and make available the actual certificate even if wanted to do so.

Yes, Fukino herself, I think, though I'm assuming she meant just by regular request/access. FOIA trumps all normal rules, though.

Amnorix
04-26-2011, 03:00 PM
Because it would be quite easy to end the distraction once and for all?

Would it? Yeah, I don't think so. Not for a second. Besides, if you've got nut jobs who are out to get you and they're wasting a massive amount of time on an absurd wild goose chase, why would you want to redirect them onto something that might actually, you know, matter?

I don't buy that there is not something they are hiding. If this had been easy to dispel they would have done it already.

In my opinion, he is probably a natural born citizen but they feel something else related to the birth certificate would embarrass him.

I think much more sensible than thinking he was born in Kenya is the position that significant liberties were taken with his past in his memoirs (by whomever wrote them) and somehow the BC would start things up that path.

What could possibly be on the supposed "long form" birth certificate that could matter? And whether there is or not, why go out of his way to satisfy the fringe nuts who hate him?

The answer is you don't. The dog that hates you has a nice, harmless bone keeping him busy in the corner. Why take it away so he looks for something else to chew on.

ClevelandBronco
04-26-2011, 03:03 PM
...In my opinion, he is probably a natural born citizen but they feel something else related to the birth certificate would embarrass him...

One of the more interesting speculations I've heard is that what Obama is actually hiding is that some time, somewhere, for some reason (School? Travel? Whatever.) he declared himself — or he was declared by someone else — to be a Muslim.

Okay, so all that might be explainable (if not universally acceptable) to Christians, depending on the circumstances. The bigger problem would come from Muslim reaction. Now that he's openly declared that he's a Christian, the conflicting declarations would place him in a state of apostasy to Islam, and as a male he would be subject to a death sentence under a majority view of sharia.

Now, Obama's one protected guy, but no one needs that crap.

Of course, it's just speculation.

Donger
04-26-2011, 03:10 PM
Yes, Fukino herself, I think, though I'm assuming she meant just by regular request/access. FOIA trumps all normal rules, though.

Heh:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/FreedomofInformationAct/

MEMORANDUM FOR THE HEADS OF EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES
SUBJECT: Freedom of Information Act

A democracy requires accountability, and accountability requires transparency. As Justice Louis Brandeis wrote, "sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants." In our democracy, the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), which encourages accountability through transparency, is the most prominent expression of a profound national commitment to ensuring an open Government. At the heart of that commitment is the idea that accountability is in the interest of the Government and the citizenry alike.

The Freedom of Information Act should be administered with a clear presumption: In the face of doubt, openness prevails. The Government should not keep information confidential merely because public officials might be embarrassed by disclosure, because errors and failures might be revealed, or because of speculative or abstract fears. Nondisclosure should never be based on an effort to protect the personal interests of Government officials at the expense of those they are supposed to serve. In responding to requests under the FOIA, executive branch agencies (agencies) should act promptly and in a spirit of cooperation, recognizing that such agencies are servants of the public.

All agencies should adopt a presumption in favor of disclosure, in order to renew their commitment to the principles embodied in FOIA, and to usher in a new era of open Government. The presumption of disclosure should be applied to all decisions involving FOIA.

The presumption of disclosure also means that agencies should take affirmative steps to make information public. They should not wait for specific requests from the public. All agencies should use modern technology to inform citizens about what is known and done by their Government. Disclosure should be timely.

I direct the Attorney General to issue new guidelines governing the FOIA to the heads of executive departments and agencies, reaffirming the commitment to accountability and transparency, and to publish such guidelines in the Federal Register. In doing so, the Attorney General should review FOIA reports produced by the agencies under Executive Order 13392 of December 14, 2005. I also direct the Director of the Office of Management and Budget to update guidance to the agencies to increase and improve information dissemination to the public, including through the use of new technologies, and to publish such guidance in theFederal Register.

This memorandum does not create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

The Director of the Office of Management and Budget is hereby authorized and directed to publish this memorandum in theFederal Register.


BARACK OBAMA

The_Grand_Illusion
04-26-2011, 03:30 PM
The overwhelming weight of evidence is that he was born in Hawaii. There's nothing more to say. When there are contemporaneous newspaper articles about it along with the certifications of the state official in charge of such matters, you're done. You've got overwhelming proof at that point. Trying to find extremely minor discrepancies is an exercise in absolute silliness.

Overwhelming? LOL, You know what would be overwhelming evidence? If he actually showed the original, that would be overwhelming. Instead, he spends millions to cover it up and much of his records growing up. Does none of that bother you that we don't know anything about him other than a couple of books he may or may not have written? You've really become a leftist radical on this board that I have read from time to time. You probably don't see it because you are here all the time defending this radical leftist president, lol. Americans are waking up to this radical leftist agenda so there is hope.

I found this blog interesting because Trump has brought this issue back and claims his investigators have found some interesting things in Hawaii concerning this issue. He hasn't revealed what that was but the leftist media trotted out Fukino once again to try to quell the situation. Yeah, I know Fukino is one of the "overwhelming evidence" you leftists believe in. The whole narrative has been the one BC that Obama was able to get for the election is what everyone gets from Hawaii and Fukino made that statement once again. Well, this blogger claims he has one that is far different from the one the left claims you can get and it's dated March of this year. It's not a minor discrepancy at all if true and puts Fukino and all her statements in a bad light.

I like Chiefsplanet but I don't always have the time to get back as quickly as this message board goes sometimes. I read Sportsshrink keeps on top of this issue so I sent him this and the blogger who investigated the OCON's or Official Certification of Nomination's from Hawaii. His investigation is a long read but well worth it.

http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/01/o-con-had-legal-help-from-non-partisan.html

It does make you wonder why Hawaii and the DNC issued 2 different OCON's with different legal language. One was issued for Hawaii where the Nancy Pelosi & the DNC stepped in and qualified him to run for president while the other one was issued to the 49 other states claiming he was constitutionally qualified to run for president. Going back to the Bush/Gore election all presidential OCON's from Hawaii have had the legal language that the candidates were constitutional qualified to run for office, including McCain-Palin of that same year but it is left off Obama's Hawaiian OCON. It raises a serious question as to why. His investigation raises a lot more questions here.

Continue to call us racist or names to shut people up, it's obviously not working as more and more people dig in to this issue and raises more and more questions. Obama could put an end to all this but he spends millions to keep from doing that. The blogoshere is doing the job that the radical lefist media will not do.

chiefsnorth
04-26-2011, 03:50 PM
Would it? Yeah, I don't think so. Not for a second. Besides, if you've got nut jobs who are out to get you and they're wasting a massive amount of time on an absurd wild goose chase, why would you want to redirect them onto something that might actually, you know, matter?



What could possibly be on the supposed "long form" birth certificate that could matter? And whether there is or not, why go out of his way to satisfy the fringe nuts who hate him?

The answer is you don't. The dog that hates you has a nice, harmless bone keeping him busy in the corner. Why take it away so he looks for something else to chew on.

Sorry, I don't buy it. If they could silence the Birthers with the stroke of a pen they'd have already done it.

WV
04-26-2011, 04:12 PM
I'm far more concerned with how horrible a President he is, frankly him being born from Martha Washington's loins wouldn't qualify him as a good American either way.

ChiefaRoo
04-26-2011, 05:42 PM
The overwhelming weight of evidence is that he was born in Hawaii. There's nothing more to say. When there are contemporaneous newspaper articles about it along with the certifications of the state official in charge of such matters, you're done. You've got overwhelming proof at that point. Trying to find extremely minor discrepancies is an exercise in absolute silliness.

Heh, I actually agree with you on this one Chowda.

ChiefaRoo
04-26-2011, 05:42 PM
I'm far more concerned with how horrible a President he is, frankly him being born from Martha Washington's loins wouldn't qualify him as a good American either way.

Agreed

FD
04-26-2011, 06:30 PM
Looks like Obama paid off CNN to get in on the conspiracy, too:


CNN investigation: Obama born in U.S.

(CNN) -- Was Barack Obama really born in America?

A new CNN investigation reveals what most analysts have been saying since the "birther" controversy erupted during the 2008 presidential campaign: Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961. Period.

While the president has made light of the controversy, the question remains political red meat for some of his critics. A recent CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll showed that nearly 75% of Americans believe Obama was definitely or probably born in the United States. More than four in 10 Republicans, however, believe he probably or definitely was not born in America.

Evidence again shows Obama born in Hawaii

The U.S. Constitution says only "natural born" citizens can become president -- a vague clause that some members of the birther movement contend disqualifies Obama because, they insist, he was born outside the United States.

Skeptics contend, among other things, that Obama was born in his father's home country of Kenya. Potential GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump recently seized on the issue, saying he had doubts about Obama's background.

Zakaria: The fantasy of Donald Trump

CNN investigators in Honolulu found nothing to reinforce those doubts.

Dr. Chiyome Fukino, a former director of the Hawaii Department of Health and a Republican, told CNN in her most extensive comments to date that she has "no doubt" Obama was born in the state.

Obama's 2008 campaign produced a certification of live birth, a document legally accepted as confirmation of a birth and routinely used for official purposes. Fukino went one step further, taking advantage of a state law that allows certain public officials to examine a person's actual birth certificate if there is a "direct and tangible interest."

The president's certificate, she said, is stored in a vault in the building that houses the Department of Health. Ironically, unlike the certificate of live birth, it is no longer accepted for official usage.

Obama's certificate is "absolutely authentic," she said. "He was absolutely born here in the state of Hawaii."

Arizona governor criticizes birther "distraction"

To see what happens when someone born in Hawaii requests a birth certificate, CNN asked a current resident of the state -- Stig Waidelich -- if he could get a copy of the document.

Waidelich was born hours after Obama in August 1961. Like Obama, Waidelich's birth was announced at the time in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin newspaper.

Waidelich, like Obama in 2008, was given a certification of live birth in response to his request.

Could Obama's 1961 birth announcement in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin be a fake? Some conspiracy theorists say yes. Longtime Honolulu newspaper reporter Dan Nakaso says no.

"It's not possible," Nakaso said. "Under the system that existed back then, there was no avenue for people to submit information that way. ... The information came directly from the state Department of Health."

Indeed, as CNN confirmed, all birth announcements at the time came directly from hospital birth records.

Trump questions birth certificate

Could Obama, a self-proclaimed Christian, be preventing the distribution of copies of the original birth certificate because it identifies him as a Muslim?

Fukino says no. The original certificate includes no mention of the president's religion. And indeed, other original certificates from that time don't mention faith.

Obama could file a Freedom of Information Act request to view his original birth certificate and make copies. But at this point, the White House maintains, nothing will satisfy the doubters.

Rick Smethurst, a 2008 John McCain voter who now lives in Obama's childhood home in Hawaii, counts himself among the doubters. He said he wants to find someone who saw Obama immediately after the president was born.

Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie said he did. Abercrombie, a Democrat, was friendly with Ann Dunham, Obama's mother, and remembers celebrating the birth.

"Of course, we had no idea at the time that the future president of the United States was that little boy, that little baby," Abercrombie recalled. But "we are very, very happy ... that took place."

Professor Alice Dewey of the University of Hawaii was a faculty adviser to Dunham and also knew the future president when he was a child. She called the controversy "funny." She said there is "no way" Obama wasn't born in the state.

Dewey remembered a conversation in which Dunham compared the birth of Obama with that of his sister, Maya, who was born overseas.

"She said, 'When I had Maya, it was a lot of more difficult because Indonesia doesn't believe in painkillers while you're giving birth. ... Of course, in the United States, giving birth to Barry (Obama's childhood nickname) was quite different and much more comfortable,' " Dewey recalled.

Waidelich's mother, Monika, said she believes she saw Obama in Honolulu's Kapi'olani Medical Center next to her son in 1961.

"In those days, there were hardly any other black babies," she said.

The hospital wouldn't show patient records from 1961, but the state's African-American population was less than 1% at the time.

Regardless of the evidence, there may be no convincing some of those who question the president's origins.

"I find it a bit amusing in the sense that (the issue) keeps resurfacing over and over again," Fukino said. "It really tells us that the whole conspiracy notion is out there (and) that if there is an issue that needs a following, they will find one.

"No matter what you do or say, it make no difference," she said.

Abercrombie, who tried to put an end to the controversy when he became governor, said he hopes that "people who have this political orientation toward the president respect us here in Hawaii."

"Respect his mother and father," the governor urged. "Respect the people I loved and the people that I knew, and the little boy who grew up here in paradise and became president."

That, the evidence suggests, may be easier said than done.

go bowe
04-26-2011, 09:33 PM
All along I have said that I am a "Proofer" not a "Birther". My guess is that he was probably born in Hawaii. But the actual place he was born is more 'secondary' than 'primary'. His whole nativity story is a lie regardless of where he was born. His parents were never married and never lived at the address posted with the newspaper announcements in the Hawaii newspapers. Those newspaper announcements prove nothing especially when they were posted 8 days afterwards.

What is on his long BC form along with all his academic records from kindergarten on through Harvard that he pays millions of $$ to conceal ? Rove and the Lefty Marxists are actually on the same page of covering for Obama on this because Rove thinks it's a political trap and the Lefty Marxists (high up) know Obama is thoroughly manufactured and not eligible to serve not to mention having lied to the American public about his supposed nativity story:thumb:.

Sr. is not his daddy?-BC
Potential dual citizenship?-BC
Foreign national?-academic records
Claimed Muslim?-academic records

Who knows?8 days later?

you've got to be kidding me...

birth announcements are published a few days after birth since the announcements were done by the paper based on information received from the hi dept of vital records/hospital records...

that's your 8 day "delay"...

but that ignores the fact that the birth announcement was published some 48 years before he became president...

obviously the result of some nefarious conspiracy to defraud the american people by running a black man almost 50 years later...

hell of a plan, take a muslim kenyan boy. make up a story of his american birth just so he can become president some day, like 48 years later...

8 days? as proof, that's as preposterous as any other part of the birther syndrome (yes, syndrome, as in sickness, mental disease, etc.)...

go bowe
04-26-2011, 09:36 PM
Looks like Obama paid off CNN to get in on the conspiracy, too:oh hell yes...

cnn and those commie newspapers in hawaii and those commie republican officials who claim there is a birth certificate that shows obama's birth in hawaii, damn liars all of them...