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Fumblerooski
04-25-2011, 02:11 PM
Based on Team Needs.




Gosselin's 2nd Mock Draft:

1. Carolina: Cam Newton, QB, Auburn
2. Denver: Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn
3. Buffalo: Marcel Dareus, DT, Alabama
4. Cincinnati: Von Miller, OLB, Texas A
5. Arizona : A.J. Green, WR, Georgia
6. Cleveland : Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
7. San Francisco: Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
8. Tennessee: Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina
9. Cowboys: J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin
10. Washington: Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska
11. Houston: Cameron Jordan, DE, Cal
12. Minnesota: Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri
13. Detroit: Tyron Smith, OT, Southern Cal
14. St. Louis: Ryan Kerrigan, OLB, Purdue
15. Miami: Mike Pouncey, C, Florida
16. Jacksonville: Da’Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson
17. New England: Mark Ingram, HB, Alabama
18. San Diego : Anthony Castonzo, OT, Boston College
19. New York Giants: Nate Solder, OT, Colorado
20. Tampa Bay: Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois
21. Kansas City: Phil Taylor, NT, Baylor
22. Indianapolis: Aldon Smith, DE, Missouri
23. Philadelphia: Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin
24. New Orleans: Marvin Austin, DT, North Carolina
25. Seattle : Derrick Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State
26. Baltimore: Cameron Heyward, DE, Ohio State
27. Atlanta: Kenrick Ellis, DT, Hampton
28. New England: Danny Watkins, G, Baylor
29. Chicago: Muhammad Wilkerson, DT, Temple
30. New York Jets: Brooks Reed, OLB, Arizona
31. Pittsburgh : Aaron Williams, CB, Texas
32. Green Bay: James Carpenter, OT, Alabama

BossChief
04-25-2011, 02:15 PM
You better throw a link in the op.

Phil Taylor would be a good pick IF Romeo feels he can get him to be consistent and develop.

This is the needs based one, right?

Aldon Smith right after our pick is a bit interesting.

Fumblerooski
04-25-2011, 02:18 PM
You better throw a link in the op.

Phil Taylor would be a good pick IF Romeo feels he can get him to be consistent and develop.

This is the needs based one, right?

Link is worthless without subscription...


And yes, this one is needs based.

The Bad Guy
04-25-2011, 02:28 PM
Based on this, I'm taking Smith and Ellis in the 2nd.

keg in kc
04-25-2011, 02:59 PM
Based on this, I'm taking Smith and Ellis in the 2nd.Ditto.

booger
04-25-2011, 03:33 PM
totally agree. In fact i wouldn't mind seeing them trade up to say NE @17 or so if they have a shot at him.

Direckshun
04-25-2011, 03:39 PM
It only takes a 4th rounder to leapfrog the Bucs to grab Aldon Smith at 19...

booger
04-25-2011, 03:42 PM
SD might take him at 18. I can play that game too. Just saying i wouldn't mind if they had to trade up for him and not give up a bunch.

Direckshun
04-25-2011, 03:47 PM
SD might take him at 18. I can play that game too.

We could hop San Diego by trading up for the 17th pick.

Think New England's scared to do deals with us?

To do so, we might have to give up our 3rd and one of our 5ths.

booger
04-25-2011, 03:57 PM
yes i mentioned 17 and NE. The trade chart isn't as set in stone as it used to be and it could be different with no FA yet and the importance of all the picks.

Spags @ 14 would be dumb to choose Kerrigan over him. I'm sure Smith reminds Spags of a better Kiwanuka, the versatility to play SLB in the giant/rams scheme and multiple spots on the DL. Might even remind him some of Tuck.

Smith would be worth trading up for IMO is all i'm getting at. I wouldn't mind trading back if one of the qb needy teams is desperate and we could turn that into some extra picks this year and the future.

CaliforniaChief
04-25-2011, 09:48 PM
Based on this, I'm taking Smith and Ellis in the 2nd.

Absolutely. I really have a hard time seeing Smith dropping like that. If he gets within a few picks of us, I wouldn't be bent about moving up to get him. Ellis and Powe should be available later. Heck, Phil Taylor could even drop to us in the 2nd. Remember Cam Thomas?

Nightfyre
04-26-2011, 07:43 AM
Ellis is picked 27th in this mock...

KChiefs1
04-27-2011, 08:33 AM
Chiefs won't pass on Aldon Smith!

the Talking Can
04-27-2011, 09:06 AM
his final mock should come out late tonight....

KChiefs1
04-27-2011, 06:36 PM
his final mock should come out late tonight....

What time?

the Talking Can
04-27-2011, 06:38 PM
What time?

seems it has been getting later every year...i think it was around midnight

plus, this year they have a paywall, so it will take longer to find

ChiefsCountry
04-27-2011, 07:45 PM
Now if Watkins shows up on that one. It might be time to start drinking.

OnTheWarpath58
04-27-2011, 11:00 PM
It's up now, but I no longer have subscriber access.

Bewbies
04-27-2011, 11:08 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/sbell021/status/63460382001463296


@sbell021
Scott Bell
Some interesting picks in Rick Gosselin's final mock: Locker 8th to TEN, Dalton 12th to MIN, Amukamara and Watt go 25th, 26th.
36 minutes ago via web Favorite Retweet Reply
Retweeted by NFLWarRoom and others

Bewbies
04-27-2011, 11:08 PM
Let me keep searching see what else I can find...

BossChief
04-27-2011, 11:11 PM
Half my casino cash goes to the first one to post the whole part 3 gosslin mock

Chiefs=Good
04-27-2011, 11:26 PM
Fuck, someone post it already!

doomy3
04-27-2011, 11:28 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/sbell021/status/63460382001463296


@sbell021
Scott Bell
Some interesting picks in Rick Gosselin's final mock: Locker 8th to TEN, Dalton 12th to MIN, Amukamara and Watt go 25th, 26th.
36 minutes ago via web Favorite Retweet Reply
Retweeted by NFLWarRoom and others

Woah.

ChiefsCountry
04-27-2011, 11:29 PM
Locker to Tennessee makes sense. They hired one of the Seahawks personal guys who had a major woody for Locker.

Bewbies
04-27-2011, 11:30 PM
For the record, pay walls suck.

OnTheWarpath58
04-27-2011, 11:30 PM
Fuck, someone post it already!

The assholes are leaking part of it, but not the whole thing.

Almost pisses me off as much as some slapdick n00b starting the official draft thread.

salame
04-27-2011, 11:31 PM
Chiefs won't pass on Aldon Smith!

i bet you all of my casino cash that they do pass on him if he is there

Chiefs=Good
04-27-2011, 11:31 PM
Moves like Dalton and Locker in the top 15 are great for the chiefs. Perhaps some talent will slide to 21 afterall...

Chiefs=Good
04-27-2011, 11:33 PM
The assholes are leaking part of it, but not the whole thing.

Almost pisses me off as much as some slapdick n00b starting the official draft thread.

Heh, just post thw whole damn thing! its going to leak eventually.....

LMAO i was wondering when someone would comment on who started that thread..

BossChief
04-27-2011, 11:35 PM
Can someone please post the partials?

LIKE OUR PICK, plz.

OnTheWarpath58
04-27-2011, 11:36 PM
Can someone please post the partials?

LIKE OUR PICK, plz.

You've seen everything I've found. There's not anything out there yet.

ChiefsCountry
04-27-2011, 11:37 PM
Nothing on Twitter either.

keg in kc
04-27-2011, 11:39 PM
It's up now, but I no longer have subscriber access.Well what fucking good are you????

Bewbies
04-27-2011, 11:40 PM
I tried bugmenot.com and it got me through the paywall....I could comment but I couldn't read shit. LMAO

OnTheWarpath58
04-27-2011, 11:41 PM
Well what fucking good are you????

None, apparently.

If I had any juice I'd have already posted Goose's mock and locked the thread that slapdick started and let someone else do it.

Bad juju.

keg in kc
04-27-2011, 11:42 PM
None, apparently.

If I had any juice I'd have already posted Goose's mock and locked the thread that slapdick started and let someone else do it.

Bad juju.Maybe it's good juju.

All the bad shit is getting out of the way now.

Bewbies
04-27-2011, 11:43 PM
Newton going #1, Tyron Smith to the Cowboys...still looking.

doomy3
04-27-2011, 11:43 PM
1st pick: Carolina Panthers
Cam Newton -- QB, Auburn
The Panthers had the worst quarterbacking in the NFL last season with only nine TD passes in 16 games. Newton gives the Panthers a chance, although his legs are likely to carry him through his rookie season.
(Team needs: QB, WR, CB, DL)

2nd pick: Denver Broncos
Von Miller -- OLB, Texas A&M
New coach John Fox is switching to a 4-3 defense and needs tackles and linebackers. He can get competitive tackles into the third round. But there’s only one impact linebacker in this draft. Miller is the value here.
(Team needs: DL, OT, TE, LB)

3rd pick: Buffalo Bills
Marcell Dareus -- DT, Alabama
The Bills finished last in the NFL in run defense in 2010. They need some bigger, nastier players to line up against the Jets and Pats. In Dareus, they land the best run defender in this draft. He also brings an attitude.
(Team needs: QB, DL, OT, LB)

4th pick: Cincinnati Bengals
A.J. Green -- WR, Georgia
This is the only shot the Bengals have of luring Carson Palmer out of retirement. Draft the best receiver in college football, release Chad Ochocinco and Terrell Owens, and give Palmer a clean canvas to resume his career.
(Team needs: QB, WR, CB, pass rusher)

5th pick: Arizona Cardinals
Patrick Peterson -- CB, LSU
When you finish 31st in offense and 29th in defense like the Cardinals of 2010, anyone you draft is going to be an upgrade. Peterson is a huge upgrade for the secondary. Arizona is surprised to see him still on the board at 5.
(Team needs: QB, LB, pass rusher, OT)

6th pick: Cleveland Browns
Julio Jones -- WR, Alabama
The Browns need a lead receiver to accelerate the development of QB Colt McCoy. Voila — Jones was a walk-in starter at Alabama, and he’ll be a walk-in starter at Cleveland. He averaged almost 15 yards per career catch.
(Team needs: WR, CB, OT, DE)

7th pick: San Francisco 49ers
Blaine Gabbert -- QB, Missouri
Jim Harbaugh is a quarterback maker — first Josh Johnson at the University of San Diego and then Andrew Luck at Stanford. In his first year as head coach of the 49ers, Harbaugh wants a quarterback he can build a team around.
(Team needs: QB, G, def. playmakers)

8th pick: Tennessee Titans
Jake Locker -- QB, Washington
The Titans want to put the Vince Young era behind them. Locker provides Tennessee a key element Young lacked — leadership. Locker was a two-year captain at Washington and a very charismatic player.
(Team needs: QB, DL, LB, S)

9th pick: Dallas Cowboys
Tyron Smith -- OT, Southern Cal
The Cowboys have four starters on the offensive line who turn 32 this season. This group needs to get younger — and what better way than to select the youngest player in this draft? Smith turns 21 in December.
(Team needs: OT, G, DE, CB)

10th pick: Washington Redskins
Christian Ponder -- QB, Florida State
Mike Shanahan is not going to enter a second season with Donovan McNabb, so the Redskins spent all day Wednesday trying to move up. Gabbert was the target. Failing there, they take the next best QB on the board.
(Team needs: QB, WR, CB, youth)

11th pick: Houston Texans
Aldon Smith -- DE, Missouri
The Texans are switching to a 3-4 defensive scheme, and Smith can play anywhere in it. He has the frame to bulk up to play end or the speed and athleticism to play linebacker. The NFL’s 30th-ranked defense needs help.
(Team needs: DL, LB, DB, WR)

12th pick: Minnesota Vikings
Andy Dalton -- QB, TCU
Like the Titans, the Vikings need to draft a rookie quarterback and play him immediately. Dalton brings a wealth of experience — four years as a starter, 42 career victories and more than 1,300 career passes.
(Team needs: QB, DL, OT, CB)

13th pick: Detroit Lions
Nick Fairley -- DT, Auburn
Ndamukong Suh was perhaps the best defensive tackle in the NFL as a rookie in 2011. Adding Fairley makes Suh even better. Fairley is the best inside pass rusher in this draft. The Lions are building a formidable front.
(Team needs: LB, CB, OT, WR)

14th pick: St. Louis Rams
Mark Ingram -- HB, Alabama
The Rams would love to draft a wide receiver for Sam Bradford, but there are none worthy of this selection. St. Louis will continue to give Bradford weapons, though — the best running back in this draft.
(Team needs: Pass rusher, CB, WR, S)

15th pick: Miami Dolphins
Mike Pouncey -- C, Florida
The only need the Dolphins can still address here is the offensive line, and Pouncey gives them two-position versatility. Like his brother Maurkice, a first-round pick of the Steelers in 2010, Mike can play guard or center.
(Team needs: OL, OLB, CB, QB)

16th pick: Jacksonville Jaguars
Ryan Kerrigan -- DE, Purdue
You can’t expect to survive with a paltry pass rush in a division with Peyton Manning and Matt Schaub. The Jaguars managed only 26 sacks last season. Kerrigan had almost half that (121/2) last fall at Purdue.
(Team needs: DE, S, LB, QB)

17th pick: New England Patriots
Cameron Jordan -- DE, California
The Patriots are likely to trade out of this spot. But Jordan here could be an inducement to stay put. He’s a 3-4 end who fits the size prototype (6-4, 287) Bill Belichick covets. Bigger is always better in New England.
(Team needs: OL, DE, OLB, HB)

18th pick: San Diego Chargers
Corey Liuget -- DT, Illinois
Liuget was a dominant inside player in a 4-3 scheme in the Big Ten. The Chargers envision him playing the edge in their 3-4 scheme. He has excellent hands, a necessity for head-up combat with offensive tackles.
(Team needs: OT, ILB, WR, pass rusher)

19th pick: New York Giants
Nate Solder -- OT, Colorado
Like the Cowboys, the Giants need to get younger on the offensive line. Solder is the best blind-side protector in this draft, and he’s going to get better. He’s only played the position for three years.
(Team needs: OT, G, LB, KR)

20th pick: Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Robert Quinn -- DE, North Carolina
The Bucs have the worst pass rush in the NFC — just 26 sacks in 521 pass attempts. Quinn is the best edge pass rusher on the board. But his stock slid this draft season because of a bout with cancer in high school.
(Team needs: G, pass rusher, CB, OT)

21st pick: Kansas City Chiefs
Gabe Carimi -- OT, Wisconsin
The Chiefs want to get bigger, tougher and younger up front. KC has one of the NFL’s best runners in Jamaal Charles — and Carimi has spent a career blocking in one of the best run-oriented offenses in college football.
(Team needs: DT, C, WR, QB)

22nd pick: Indianapolis Colts
Anthony Castonzo -- OT, Boston College
Because of the run of quarterbacks at the top, a lot of quality players slid, including Castonzo, CB Prince Amukamara and DE J.J. Watt. As long as Peyton Manning is in Indy, the priority will be protecting him.
(Team needs: KR, def. size, QB, LB, OL)

23rd pick: Philadelphia Eagles
Jimmy Smith -- CB, Colorado
If the Eagles are to continue their dominance in the NFC East, they must find someone who can cover Dez Byrant. Mission accomplished. Smith is the biggest and perhaps most talented cover corner in this draft.
(Team needs: DL, OL, CB, LB)

24th pick: New Orleans Saints
Adrian Clayborn -- DE, Iowa
You have to stop the run to survive in a division with DeAngelo Williams, Michael Turner and LaGarrette Blount. So the Saints need some big bodies up front to bolster the NFL’s 16th-ranked run defense.
(Team needs: DE, DT, LB, S)

25th pick: Seattle Seahawks
Prince Amukamara -- CB, Nebraska
The Seahawks need help for the NFL’s 27th-ranked pass defense, and Amukamara represents sliding value. He has the size (6-0, 206) to line up against physical wideouts Larry Fitzgerald and Michael Crabtree in the NFC West.
(Team needs: OT, G, C, QB)

26th pick: Baltimore Ravens
J.J. Watt -- DE, Wisconsin
Another sliding value. Watt headed into the process touted as the best end for a 3-4 scheme — and he falls into the lap of a top-10 defense. Good players tend to find the Ravens wherever they are on the draft board.
(Team needs: CB, WR, pass rusher, OT)

27th pick: Atlanta Falcons
Phil Taylor -- DT, Baylor
Same synopsis as New Orleans above. You need bulk up front to compete in a division that wants to run the football — and Taylor is one of the bulkiest players in this draft at 334 pounds.
(Team needs: OL, NT, WR, LB)

28th pick: New England Patriots
Danny Watkins -- G, Baylor
Watkins is the safest pick in the entire draft — the one player you can confidently say will be in the Pro Bowl in 2012. He’s the best guard on the board, and some NFL teams were looking at him as both a center and tackle.
(Team needs: OL, DE, OLB, HB)

29th pick: Chicago Bears
Marvin Austin -- DT, North Carolina
The Bears need an elite tackle to replace departed Pro Bowler Tommie Harris . Austin missed the 2010 season because of an NCAA suspension but plays with great power and a great motor. A top-10 defense just got better.
(Team needs: LB, DT, RB, QB)

30th pick: New York Jets
Derrick Sherrod -- OT, Mississippi State
There are only five offensive tackles in this draft who can walk in as starters and Sherrod is the last one. He started three years at left tackle at Mississippi State but projects as a right tackle in the NFL.
(Team needs: CB, OL, WR)

31st pick: Pittsburgh Steelers
Cameron Heyward -- DE, Ohio State
The Steelers need to get younger at end in their 3-4 scheme, and Heyward provides them that opportunity. He’s a high achiever — a four-year starter, team captain and MVP of a Big Ten championship team.
(Team needs: 2 CB, DE, OT)

32nd pick: Green Bay Packers
Aaron Williams -- CB, Texas
The Super Bowl champions have one of the youngest teams in the NFL and few needs. They are in a position to draft the best player on their board. That’s Williams, who can play either cornerback or safety.
(Team needs: DL, OL, pass rusher, CB)

Team with no first-round pick
48th pick: Oakland Raiders
Dontay Moch -- DE, Nevada
Al Davis built the Raiders on power and speed in the 1960s and clings to that philosophy a half-century later. Moch is the fastest pass rusher in this draft with 4.46 speed in the 40.
(Team needs: OL, DL, pass rusher, speed)

BossChief
04-27-2011, 11:43 PM
Amukamara at 25 would be like the great draft heist of 2011, IMO.

Seattle would have a damn nice back 7 in the works.

keg in kc
04-27-2011, 11:44 PM
Still carimi.

I'm almost satisfied due to relief that it's not watkins.

Almost...

Fucking carimi.

doomy3
04-27-2011, 11:45 PM
Carimi, it is. I would be OK with that.

keg in kc
04-27-2011, 11:46 PM
He has the donkeys picking Von Miller as a 4-3 linebacker? I'm not sure I get that one.

The Bills would send Fox a bouquet for that.

Von Dumbass
04-27-2011, 11:47 PM
Yeah I just went to dallasmorningnews.com and it popped right up without even mentioning subscribing.

OnTheWarpath58
04-27-2011, 11:47 PM
Goddammit. You better be wrong, Goose.

Chiefs=Good
04-27-2011, 11:47 PM
I tried bugmenot.com and it got me through the paywall....I could comment but I couldn't read shit. LMAO

You have to bait them into typing it. "So what does everyone think of the first 5 picks?? yep, ok. How about the full 32??"

ChiefsCountry
04-27-2011, 11:47 PM
Carimi, it is. I would be OK with that.

I could live with it.

doomy3
04-27-2011, 11:47 PM
If Quinn fell one more spot, that would be pretty awesome.

Von Dumbass
04-27-2011, 11:48 PM
He has the donkeys picking Von Miller as a 4-3 linebacker? I'm not sure I get that one.

The Bill would send Fox a bouquet for that.

Schefter, Kara Henderson from NFL Network, and Mike Klis from the Denver Post all have said today that it will be Miller.

Schefter said he was 80% certain.

doomy3
04-27-2011, 11:48 PM
Carimi played well against great competition, and is a guy who could really anchor a line for many years.

keg in kc
04-27-2011, 11:49 PM
If Quinn fell one more spot, that would be pretty awesome.I doubt he'd pass the character part of the equation.

keg in kc
04-27-2011, 11:49 PM
Schefter, Kara Henderson from NFL Network, and Mike Klis from the Denver Post all have said today that it will be Miller.

Schefter said he was 80% certain.I'm not questioning that they might do it. Goose usually knows his stuff in his final draft.

What I'm questioning is why they'd do it.

ChiefsCountry
04-27-2011, 11:49 PM
Carimi played well against great competition, and is a guy who could really anchor a line for many years.

And Sac hates him. Makes it even better if we take him.

Chiefs=Good
04-27-2011, 11:49 PM
Well its not the worst pick (Danny ****ing Watkins). But there are a lot of players id want before him.... ****ing Quinn falling right to before our pick is a laugh..... :huh:

salame
04-27-2011, 11:50 PM
no daquan bowers?
he will be hot shit on day 2 for sure if this is the case

doomy3
04-27-2011, 11:50 PM
OTWP, are you still a mod in this forum? Maybe it would be worth editing the OP to reflect that his final mock is up.

Von Dumbass
04-27-2011, 11:50 PM
28th pick: New England Patriots
Danny Watkins -- G, Baylor
Watkins is the safest pick in the entire draft — the one player you can confidently say will be in the Pro Bowl in 2012. He’s the best guard on the board, and some NFL teams were looking at him as both a center and tackle.

If Belicheat would take him you know Pioli would. :)

doomy3
04-27-2011, 11:50 PM
Well its not the worst pick (Danny ****ing Watkins). But there are a lot of players id want before him.... ****ing Quinn falling right to before our picks is a laugh..... :huh:

Who that's on the board at 21 in this mock would you rather have?

doomy3
04-27-2011, 11:52 PM
I'd bet in this scenario we could get the 49ers to trade up from their second round pick to get in front of Philly and Seattle to grab Prince at 21. That would be awesome.

ChiefsCountry
04-27-2011, 11:53 PM
OTWP, are you still a mod in this forum? Maybe it would be worth editing the OP to reflect that his final mock is up.

Fixed.

BossChief
04-27-2011, 11:53 PM
At least that pick wouldnt piss me off.

Miller going to Denver is good for us. We could run on that defense all day and that would eventually eliminate their pass rush.

2 huge liabilities against the run would be a coup.

Miller needs to be able to use his dominant first step and at 4-3 backer, thats not gonna happen often and with their DL our linemen should be able to hit the second level with some consistency.

Id like it if it fell this way. I wouldnt be excited, but it would be a solid pick.

We could probably trade back 7-10 spots and still get him though...while adding more picks.

Bewbies
04-27-2011, 11:54 PM
I'm still hoping for a trade, but we could do worse than Carimi.

doomy3
04-27-2011, 11:55 PM
Fixed.

Thanks, much easier to reference it.

Bewbies
04-27-2011, 11:55 PM
Anyone else laugh at Oakland taking Moch? LMAO

Chiefs=Good
04-27-2011, 11:55 PM
Who that's on the board at 21 in this mock would you rather have?

Not in this mock i suppose. if it were to fall like that i would be reasonably pissed. Id rather trade down (easier said than done)... Having said that i like Carimi as a RT. Just still not sure you take one in the 1st round....

Von Dumbass
04-27-2011, 11:57 PM
Miller is not a bad run defender. If you watched him play he disengages from blocks in the run game exceptionally well and he has the speed to chase RB's from behind.

Can you imagine having Elvis Dumervil AND Von Miller (who has been compared to Derrick Thomas mind you) at DE rushing the QB on 3rd and long. :)

doomy3
04-27-2011, 11:57 PM
Not in this mock i suppose. if it were to fall like that i would be reasonably pissed. Id rather trade down (easier said than done)... Having said that i like Carimi as a RT. Just still not sure you take one in the 1st round....

Well, the team that everyone on here hails at being the best drafting team did it when they took Oher. He started off at RT, and then moved to the left side last year, although he looks to be better suited on the right side. I think Carimi could be a similar situation. If Albert doesn't improve, you bump him inside and move Carimi to the left side. I think there is plenty of logic there.

ChiefsCountry
04-27-2011, 11:57 PM
royII thinks Von Miller is a good pick, so that is a good sign.

BossChief
04-27-2011, 11:58 PM
If it falls like this, I nailed the Browns pick at 6 (Julio Jones)and was 3 slots in the profit on my Atlanta pick (Adrian Clayborn).

Not bad for a damn n00b.

Bewbies
04-27-2011, 11:59 PM
Miller is not a bad run defender. If you watched him play he disengages from blocks in the run game exceptionally well and he has the speed to chase RB's from behind.

Can you imagine having Elvis Dumervil AND Von Miller (who has been compared to Derrick Thomas mind you) at DE rushing the QB on 3rd and long. down by 25 in the 2nd quarter?:)

That's better.

salame
04-28-2011, 12:00 AM
no one but me is surprised at no daquan bowers in the 1st?

Chiefs=Good
04-28-2011, 12:00 AM
Well, the team that everyone on here hails at being the best drafting team did it when they took Oher. He started off at RT, and then moved to the left side last year, although he looks to be better suited on the right side. I think Carimi could be a similar situation. If Albert doesn't improve, you bump him inside and move Carimi to the left side. I think there is plenty of logic there.

Well in the Alt mock draft i took Tyron Smith with the Chiefs pick for that exact reasoning. But thats because Tyron has potential at LT, while Carimi does not (IMHO).

doomy3
04-28-2011, 12:01 AM
no one but me is surprised at no daquan bowers in the 1st?

I am, but there has been a lot of negative news coming out on him this week. Today a GM was quoted as saying he'll only play out one contract due to his injuries.

I'm not as surprised about that as I am about Prince falling to 25.

BossChief
04-28-2011, 12:01 AM
Anyone else laugh at Oakland taking Moch? LMAO
AL DAVIS IS ALIVE AND WELL!!!!!!!

Chiefs=Good
04-28-2011, 12:02 AM
Can you imagine having Elvis Dumervil AND Von Miller (who has been compared to Derrick Thomas mind you) at DE rushing the QB on 3rd and long. :)

The Charles draw, would actually be a wise play call in that case. Having said that yes i would be scared of that duo... in the 3-4.......

doomy3
04-28-2011, 12:02 AM
Well in the Alt mock draft i took Tyron Smith with the Chiefs pick for that exact reasoning. But thats because Tyron has potential at LT, while Carimi does not (IMHO).

See, I like Carimi better than any other tackle in this draft, Smith included.

T-post Tom
04-28-2011, 12:03 AM
Schefter, Kara Henderson from NFL Network, and Mike Klis from the Denver Post all have said today that it will be Miller.

Schefter said he was 80% certain.

80% of Schefter = 5% of an average sized man. Yard gnomes unite!!!

Captain Obvious
04-28-2011, 12:03 AM
Suh and Fairley? Sick.

doomy3
04-28-2011, 12:04 AM
Suh and Fairley? Sick.

Yeah, that is completely insane.

BossChief
04-28-2011, 12:05 AM
Well in the Alt mock draft i took Tyron Smith with the Chiefs pick for that exact reasoning. But thats because Tyron has potential at LT, while Carimi does not (IMHO).

weird being that Smith played right tackle in college and Carimi played LT...thats the game though...

salame
04-28-2011, 12:06 AM
detroit is building a good defense
and if they take Fairley which is honestly something I never thought about that would be SICK

Von Dumbass
04-28-2011, 12:07 AM
The Charles draw, would actually be a wise play call in that case. Having said that yes i would be scared of that duo... in the 3-4.......

I'm pretty sure that the year Von Miller at 17 sacks he was playing DE and not OLB. And the majority of Dumervil's sacks come when he has his hand on the ground as well.

Chiefs=Good
04-28-2011, 12:07 AM
See, I like Carimi better than any other tackle in this draft, Smith included.

My board would be:

Smith
Carimi
Castanzo
Sherrod

And i wouldnt touch Solder.

Do you think Carimi could play LT? Im not so sure but interested in other opinions..

BossChief
04-28-2011, 12:08 AM
Albert
Lilja
_____ (Wisnewski in rd 2?)
Asamoah
Carimi

if we add a good center, that line could be one of the best in the NFL fairly quick...and extremely young as well.

Shit, that happens and we might be able to shut sac up for a draft or two.

probably not.

Chiefs=Good
04-28-2011, 12:08 AM
weird being that Smith played right tackle in college and Carimi played LT...thats the game though...

Smith projects much better. Hes athletic as fuck.. As ive stated before though. id be ok with Carimi being the pick in the senario that Gos gave....

salame
04-28-2011, 12:10 AM
Carimi is a fucking giant

Von Dumbass
04-28-2011, 12:11 AM
The Chiefs better draft a good tackle because DOOM and VON are coming!

Chiefs=Good
04-28-2011, 12:12 AM
I'm pretty sure that the year Von Miller at 17 sacks he was playing DE and not OLB. And the majority of Dumervil's sacks come when he has his hand on the ground as well.

You can have one of them and not have your defense be a liability against the run. But 2? Your just asking for trouble.

Playing LB in college is much different in the nfl.. Covering competent TEs every week is going to be a struggle. Hes waisted in the 43 unless he playing RE, where Dum will play...

salame
04-28-2011, 12:13 AM
The Chiefs better draft a good tackle because DOOM and VON are coming!

sounds like a wrestling tag team

BossChief
04-28-2011, 12:13 AM
The Chiefs better draft a good tackle because DOOM and VON are coming!

Charles would have a 300 yard game against them with our line.

They wouldnt get many chances to pin their ears back. More like peel their asses off the floor.

and oh yeah, Moeaki would OWN.

BigRock
04-28-2011, 12:14 AM
And the majority of Dumervil's sacks come when he has his hand on the ground as well.

How many sacks did Dumervil have in his last season as a 4-3 DE?

salame
04-28-2011, 12:14 AM
Charles would have a 300 yard game against them with our line.

They wouldnt get many chances to pin their ears back. More like peel their asses off the floor.

Boss,
where do you think Christian Ballard ends up?

Saccopoo
04-28-2011, 12:14 AM
This fucking guy...

He took acid before spewing this shit out.

That's the worst mock in mock history.

Saccopoo
04-28-2011, 12:17 AM
Carimi played well against great competition, and is a guy who could really anchor a line for many years.

Fuck that.

Carimi is a stiff lunger that can't handle speed rushers and would be out of place in a zone blocking scheme like Haley runs.

Great. We'll have a Branden Albert clone for the right side now as well.

What a shitty ass pick.

Von Dumbass
04-28-2011, 12:18 AM
How many sacks did Dumervil have in his last season as a 4-3 DE?

He had 20 sacks his first two years in the NFL and then broke a bone in his hand in 08 and had something like 4 sacks that year.

Von Dumbass
04-28-2011, 12:18 AM
1. Von Miller, Texas A&M, 6-3, 246. This is a natural pass rusher in the mold of Derrick Thomas. Miller is fast and explosive, and he has a feel for defeating blockers and getting to quarterbacks. He has some versatility to play in any scheme but is light to be a down lineman against the run. Miller still is developing as a coverage player, but he has the quickness and athleticism to excel in his drops.http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-04-19/sports/ct-spt-0419-web-nfl-draft-outside-lin20110418_1_nfl-draft-fastest-linebackers-von-miller


Miller, who's playing linebacker for the South in Mobile this week, is showing NFL scouts he can do more than rush the passer.

"They're playing him as a 4-3 outside linebacker here, and he has shown people he can be that guy," Mayock said. "Now all the sudden he's scheme-diverse. Thirty-two teams will like him, not only whatever teams are 3-4 teams. So he's really helped himself."

"He's really special," NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock said of Miller, who is projected to be an early first-round pick in April's NFL draft. "He can almost get parallel to the ground. When he's running the arc, when he's bending and trying to get around an offensive tackle, and trying to drop (his) hips and get around, he almost defies gravity. It's amazing. I don't know how he does it, and he accelerates while he does it. He's a phenomenal pass rusher."

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/01/its_von_millers_time_to_shine.html

A couple of weeks ago, Houston Chronicle reporter John McClain said that one NFL personnel man told him that every time he sees Texas A&M linebacker Von Miller play, it reminds him of the late Derrick Thomas.

Pretty high compliment, no?

Well apparently Miller caught wind of the comparison and decided to do his homework on the late Hall of Fame linebacker. According to National Football Post, Von Miller recently said:

"Right then and there, I looked him up and just watched him. I try to emulate some of the stuff he does. You can't do some of the stuff he does, but I try my hardest to be like Derrick Thomas."

When asked specifically about how he tries to be like Derrick Thomas, Miller said,

"Just his mentality about the game. I don't think it's his physical ability that I try to emulate. It's the way he played the game with a relentless fanatical effort with every play. That's what allowed him to make the plays that he made."

I remember Carl Peterson making a similar statement about Thomas' endurance and fanatical pursuit of the quarterback. When Peterson went to check out Derrick Thomas for the first time at Alabama, Peterson said DT was the first player who simply did not get tired during the drills. He kept coming back for more and more Peterson said. He almost couldn't get tired.

To all of you college prospects out there, there are few better people to emulate on the football field than the late, great Derrick Thomas.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2011/3/9/2040374/texas-am-von-miller-derrick-thomas

Saccopoo
04-28-2011, 12:21 AM
Well its not the worst pick (Danny ****ing Watkins). But there are a lot of players id want before him.... ****ing Quinn falling right to before our pick is a laugh..... :huh:

Fuck you. Watkins would be a substantially better NFL RT than Carimi, especially in this system. You people are idiots for falling in line after Rick "Nostradamus" Gosselin puts up his third mock.

I mean, Amukamara falling to #25? Eat more shrooms Rick.

http://magic-mushroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/shrooms1.jpg

BossChief
04-28-2011, 12:21 AM
Boss,
where do you think Christian Ballard ends up?

the HOF

haha

I drafted him top of the second round in the CP Mock for the Browns and I think thats about where he comes off the board.

He could go higher though and surprise some because he is "scheme diverse" and therefore has value to all teams.

It sucks that we dont really need a DE because I think he or Clayborn would be slamdunks as 5techs at 21...especially Clayborn.

keg in kc
04-28-2011, 12:21 AM
I'm not questioning that Miller is going to be a great player, I'm just questioning why they'd take him in instead of Fairley.

That guy in the middle of a 4-3 would scare me to no end.

BossChief
04-28-2011, 12:23 AM
This fucking guy...

He took acid before spewing this shit out.

That's the worst mock in mock history.

He has the most accurate mocks in publication over the years. Your disapproval of it is just a microcosm of your posting history here.

Fuck that.

Carimi is a stiff lunger that can't handle speed rushers and would be out of place in a zone blocking scheme like Haley runs.

Great. We'll have a Branden Albert clone for the right side now as well.

What a shitty ass pick.

See, Carimi would be a good pick.

It hath been confirmed.

This would give us our Jon Runyan.

keg in kc
04-28-2011, 12:24 AM
This ****ing guy...

He took acid before spewing this shit out.

That's the worst mock in mock history.You do realize that this final mock is the one he makes based entirely on inside sources from the teams, right? He's not projecting where he thinks players should go, he's projecting where players appear to be falling based on what people actually involved with making the picks have told him.

His final mock is generally the most reliable out of anyone's anywhere because he has so many in's.

Saccopoo
04-28-2011, 12:25 AM
Well, the team that everyone on here hails at being the best drafting team did it when they took Oher. He started off at RT, and then moved to the left side last year, although he looks to be better suited on the right side. I think Carimi could be a similar situation. If Albert doesn't improve, you bump him inside and move Carimi to the left side. I think there is plenty of logic there.

Oh, so now that Gosselin said we will take a fucking wooden block at #21, it's okay to move Albert in now?

I've been saying that shit for years, but now that we take Alberts fucking twin brother because the Rickster said so, it's all wine and roses that Albert can be move into the guard spot?

Jesus fucking Christ...

Bewbies
04-28-2011, 12:25 AM
You do realize that this final mock is the one he makes based entirely on inside sources from the teams, right? He's not projecting where he thinks players should go, he's projecting where players appear to be falling based on what people actually involved with making the picks have told him.

His final mock is generally the most reliable out of anyone's anywhere because he has so many in's.

He had us taking Amobi Okoye a few years ago, so he's not always right though either...

Von Dumbass
04-28-2011, 12:26 AM
I'm not questioning that Miller is going to be a great player, I'm just questioning why they'd take him in instead of Fairley.

That guy in the middle of a 4-3 would scare me to no end.

I would happy with Fairley and our biggest need is defensive tackle.

I think Denver knows how deep the DL class is this year and have two very high second round picks. Guys like Paea, Marvin Austin, Muhammad Wilkerson, Kenrick Ellis, Allen Bailey, and Phil Taylor could be there when we pick in the second round.

Why not pick the best LB in the draft when you have a good chance of getting some good DT's in the second round.

BossChief
04-28-2011, 12:27 AM
Oh, so now that Gosselin said we will take a fucking wooden block at #21, it's okay to move Albert in now?

I've been saying that shit for years, but now that we take Alberts fucking twin brother because the Rickster said so, it's all wine and roses that Albert can be move into the guard spot?

Jesus fucking Christ...

just let it die

FFS

Saccopoo
04-28-2011, 12:27 AM
Albert
Lilja
_____ (Wisnewski in rd 2?)
Asamoah
Carimi

I just fucking gagged.

keg in kc
04-28-2011, 12:28 AM
He had us taking Amobi Okoye a few years ago, so he's not always right though either...And on the flip side he was also the first person to somehow pick up our interest in Tyson Jackson.

Either way, I don't think I've ever seen anybody with a 100% accurate draft. It's just the nature of the beast. Year-to-year rankings, though, Gosselin is among the best. He's able to get information that other people aren't.

Bewbies
04-28-2011, 12:28 AM
I just ****ing gagged.

Don't put so much of Okungs dick in your mouth.

BossChief
04-28-2011, 12:29 AM
I would happy with Fairley and our biggest need is defensive tackle.

I think Denver knows how deep the DL class is this year and have two very high second round picks. Guys like Paea, Marvin Austin, Muhammad Wilkerson, Kenrick Ellis, Allen Bailey, and Phil Taylor could be there when we pick in the second round.

Why not pick the best LB in the draft when you have a good chance of getting some good DT's in the second round.

he isnt the best linebacker in the draft.

He is the best 3-4 OLB in the draft.

Can he cover?

can he hold the edge in run support?

Can he find ways to utilize his pass rushing skills (like that brutal first step) as a 4-3 backer?

Lots of questions if he is your guys' pick.

keg in kc
04-28-2011, 12:31 AM
Why not pick the best LB in the draft when you have a good chance of getting some good DT's in the second round.Because it's the 2nd pick, and that seems like a very, very high price to pay for a linebacker. Later in the round, maybe, but I think I'd rather have the best DT and a 2nd tier LB than the best LB and a 2nd tier DT. JMO of course. And we're talking about a 4-3 linebacker, which to me skews it even more in favor of the DT.

BossChief
04-28-2011, 12:32 AM
I just fucking gagged.

If you think that line wouldn't be a top ten in the NFL line (within a short timeframe) there is nothing that can help you.

Von Dumbass
04-28-2011, 12:33 AM
He is without a doubt the best 4-3 or 3-4 LB in this class. I don't think a single 4-3 LB other than Miller even has a first round grade.

He would have to do all of the things you mentioned in a 3-4 as well. He is a phenomenal player. He has the athleticism, ability, and instincts to thrive in any scheme.

Can he find ways to utilize his pass rushing skills (like that brutal first step) as a 4-3 backer?
He played DE in a 4-3 and had 17 sacks his junior season.

Saccopoo
04-28-2011, 12:33 AM
You do realize that this final mock is the one he makes based entirely on inside sources from the teams, right? He's not projecting where he thinks players should go, he's projecting where players appear to be falling based on what people actually involved with making the picks have told him.

His final mock is generally the most reliable out of anyone's anywhere because he has so many in's.

Yeah, I'm sure that he called up Scotty and Todd and said, hey, I got my mock coming out today and who you picking?

And they said, "Well, Rickster, because it's you and you've got all these in's, we'll give you our super secret first round info: it's Albert's twin brother Gabe who we'll be picking. Book it mother fucker, 'cause you are the draft bomb."

Fuck Gosselin. That mock is fucking retarded.

Von Dumbass
04-28-2011, 12:35 AM
Because it's the 2nd pick, and that seems like a very, very high price to pay for a linebacker. Later in the round, maybe, but I think I'd rather have the best DT and a 2nd tier LB than the best LB and a 2nd tier DT. JMO of course. And we're talking about a 4-3 linebacker, which to me skews it even more in favor of the DT.

Number 2 would be too high for a normal SAM LB but Von Miller can be a double digit sack guy in the NFL as well.

Plus this draft doesn't have a whole lot of quality 4-3 LB's to choose from. I think Martez Wilson is one of the only 4-3 LB's who has a second round grade.

BossChief
04-28-2011, 12:37 AM
He is without a doubt the best 4-3 or 3-4 LB in this class. I don't think a single 4-3 LB other than Miller even has a first round grade.

He would have to do all of the things you mentioned in a 3-4 as well. He is a phenomenal player. He has the athleticism, ability, and instincts to thrive in any scheme.


He played DE in a 4-3 and had 17 sacks his junior season.

I know you are already falling in love with the pick (even before its made) and thats cool.

Kids love ice cream.

If he is your pick and both he and Elvis are played at end, you will have the leagues worst run defense.

Write that down.

salame
04-28-2011, 12:37 AM
the HOF

haha

I drafted him top of the second round in the CP Mock for the Browns and I think thats about where he comes off the board.

He could go higher though and surprise some because he is "scheme diverse" and therefore has value to all teams.

It sucks that we dont really need a DE because I think he or Clayborn would be slamdunks as 5techs at 21...especially Clayborn.

I actually like Ballard better for a 3-4

Saccopoo
04-28-2011, 12:37 AM
If you think that line wouldn't be a top ten in the NFL line (within a short timeframe) there is nothing that can help you.

Your and idiot.

Two tackles that can't handle the speed rush for shit with shitty footwork, a left guard who can't hold the point of attack and an unknown rookie center?

Yeah, best line ever. In Canada.

salame
04-28-2011, 12:38 AM
Number 2 would be too high for a normaly SAM LB but Von Miller can be a double digit sack guy in the NFL as well.

Plus this draft doesn't have a whole lot of quality 4-3 LB's to choose from. I think Martez Wilson is one of the only 4-3 LB's who has a second round grade.

Wilson is a bad motherfucker I thought he would go in the end of the 1st

Von Dumbass
04-28-2011, 12:40 AM
I know you are already falling in love with the pick (even before its made) and thats cool.

Kids love ice cream.

If he is your pick and both he and Elvis are played at end, you will have the leagues worst run defense.

Write that down.

He will only be playing end on 3rd down. Our DE's on 1st and 2nd down would be Doom and Robert Ayers (who is a fantastic run defender btw).

Miller will be playing SAM on 1st and 2nd down and will have his hand in the dirt on passing downs.

BossChief
04-28-2011, 12:40 AM
Your and idiot.

Two tackles that can't handle the speed rush for shit with shitty footwork, a left guard who can't hold the point of attack and an unknown rookie center?

Yeah, best line ever. In Canada.there is no other response but...

:facepalm:

Von Dumbass
04-28-2011, 12:41 AM
Wilson is a bad mother****er I thought he would go in the end of the 1st

He is one of the guys I would want Denver to draft in the second round if we end up picking a DT in the first.

salame
04-28-2011, 12:44 AM
He is one of the guys I would want Denver to draft in the second round if we end up picking a DT in the first.

I really really think it will be von miller or peterson
Elway seems like he wants to bring some zaz in
he is a zazzy guy
ZAZ

BossChief
04-28-2011, 12:46 AM
Watch Baltimore draft either Clayborn or Ballard in the first and then Sash in the second.

salame
04-28-2011, 12:49 AM
sash?

salame
04-28-2011, 12:51 AM
dont you mean
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/291955/jimmerjammer.jpg

BossChief
04-28-2011, 12:58 AM
Pairing Sash with Reed would really help that secondary.

If the real draft falls like this mock, one would have to think they would be trying to move up to draft Prince, though after he gets into the late teens and then into the early 20s. Even if thats not normally their drafting strategy.
Their front seven is good enough to go another year and their defense would be well served to add a couple difference makers back there.

Add Prince and Sash to Baltimores existing defense....damn.

keg in kc
04-28-2011, 01:00 AM
Plus this draft doesn't have a whole lot of quality 4-3 LB's to choose from. I think Martez Wilson is one of the only 4-3 LB's who has a second round grade.That's not a real good justification for taking one at 2. LB is more of a middle-round position, value wise.

I still say Fairley makes more sense. Nothing is more disruptive on an every-down basis than a tackle who can penetrate.

Which is no slam on Miller. As I've said, I just don't get the logic.

BossChief
04-28-2011, 01:05 AM
you cant take a premier pass rushing prospect high enough or too high.

salame
04-28-2011, 01:13 AM
That's not a real good justification for taking one at 2. LB is more of a middle-round position, value wise.

I still say Fairley makes more sense. Nothing is more disruptive on an every-down basis than a tackle who can penetrate.

Which is no slam on Miller. As I've said, I just don't get the logic.

zazzy logic

keg in kc
04-28-2011, 01:44 AM
you cant take a premier pass rushing prospect high enough or too high.Which is to me another mark for Fairley. Who's more valueable to a 4-3, a player like Warren Sapp, or a player like any of the interchangeable outside rushers that 4-3 teams all have? I'd say the best and rarest pass rusher of all is the 4-3 undertackle.

Although maybe Denver's system will feature larger tackles who just hold blocks. Or maybe they think they have somebody there already to handle the undertackle. I won't pretend to know their roster.

I will say this much: I don't like seeing Von Miller there. But I'm much more glad (should this turn out to be the case) that I won't be seeing Fairley.

Chiefs=Good
04-28-2011, 02:31 AM
**** you. Watkins would be a substantially better NFL RT than Carimi, especially in this system. You people are idiots for falling in line after Rick "Nostradamus" Gosselin puts up his third mock.

I mean, Amukamara falling to #25? Eat more shrooms Rick.

http://magic-mushroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/shrooms1.jpg

:LOL:

Mm yer. A 27 year old projected guard is a better option to play RT. Arnt you the guy who wanted Brian Bulaga instead of Berry? Eat a dick you Idiot.

MagicHef
04-28-2011, 03:37 AM
That's not a real good justification for taking one at 2. LB is more of a middle-round position, value wise.

I still say Fairley makes more sense. Nothing is more disruptive on an every-down basis than a tackle who can penetrate.

Which is no slam on Miller. As I've said, I just don't get the logic.

Fairley just isn't as good of a player. You may disagree, but that is the consensus. Reaching for need is a very bad idea at the top of the first round, that's how you end up drafting Tyson Jackson.

the Talking Can
04-28-2011, 04:13 AM
meh, oh well...still hope we trade down

the only positive is that saccofbats hates him (he's worse than knowmo now), which means he must be pretty good...


if we end up with some combo of hankerson/little/ellis/powe in the next 2 rounds I'd feel better...

salame
04-28-2011, 04:16 AM
I'm sure they have some fucking bargain basement receiver in mind

MoreLemonPledge
04-28-2011, 04:34 AM
I'm sure they have some fucking bargain basement receiver in mind

WE ALREADY HAVE KEVIN CURTIS THE ONE TESTICLED WONDER

Crush
04-28-2011, 05:06 AM
Gunther will start looking like a competent DC if that happens.

BryanBusby
04-28-2011, 05:42 AM
:LOL:

Mm yer. A 27 year old projected guard is a better option to play RT. Arnt you the guy who wanted Brian Bulaga instead of Berry? Eat a dick you Idiot.

He has been projected to play tackle, guard and center. The Sacapoo thrashing is amusing, but not a good argument here.

I'm still trying to figure out how Carimi is a first rounder.

DaKCMan AP
04-28-2011, 05:45 AM
Miller is not a bad run defender. If you watched him play he disengages from blocks in the run game exceptionally well and he has the speed to chase RB's from behind.

Can you imagine having Elvis Dumervil AND Von Miller (who has been compared to Derrick Thomas mind you) at DE rushing the QB on 3rd and long. :)

JFC :doh!:

DaKCMan AP
04-28-2011, 05:48 AM
Somehow I don't see 5 QBs going in the first 12 picks.

Especially having 5 go in the first 12 and then Mallett slipping to the 2nd round.

DaKCMan AP
04-28-2011, 05:49 AM
Oh, and Mark Ingram to the Rams is beyond stupid.

The Bad Guy
04-28-2011, 06:44 AM
Miller is not a bad run defender. If you watched him play he disengages from blocks in the run game exceptionally well and he has the speed to chase RB's from behind.

Can you imagine having Elvis Dumervil AND Von Miller (who has been compared to Derrick Thomas mind you) at DE rushing the QB on 3rd and long. :)

You've watched Youtube clips of him. Stop talking like you watched full game footage of Von Miller when you couldn't even be bothered to watch entire games of the 2010 Denver Broncos.

The Bad Guy
04-28-2011, 06:46 AM
Another real interesting thing is he has Bowers completely out of round 1 (if my morning eyes are working right.)

El Jefe
04-28-2011, 06:56 AM
:LOL:

Mm yer. A 27 year old projected guard is a better option to play RT. Arnt you the guy who wanted Brian Bulaga instead of Berry? Eat a dick you Idiot.

ROFL

BossChief
04-28-2011, 08:08 AM
Another real interesting thing is he has Bowers completely out of round 1 (if my morning eyes are working right.)

He's a one year wonder with big injury red flags.

I've said all along that I'd be more surprised to see him go before our pick then after it. I doubt he falls all the way out of the first, but it's more probable than some think.

Saccopoo
04-28-2011, 08:09 AM
:LOL:

Mm yer. A 27 year old projected guard is a better option to play RT. Arnt you the guy who wanted Brian Bulaga instead of Berry? Eat a dick you Idiot.

Well, let's see...he was a two year starter at left tackle for Baylor after starting at left tackle for his junior college team, where he was named All-American Juco. He was first team All-Conference in 2010 and graded out at over 90 percent for the season despite playing against respected pass rushers such as Von Miller, Sam Acho, and Jeremy Beal.

He's being considered as a potential five position type player at the next level that has excellent strength and superb technique. For a guy who has only played football for four years, his skill set and understanding of the game is substantially better than the majority of offensive line prospects in this draft.

However, since you are a ****ing moron, I suspect that you don't know jack shit about anything related to players in the draft, and you have confirmed that suspicion with your dumb as **** post.

DaKCMan AP
04-28-2011, 08:23 AM
Well, let's see...he was a two year starter at left tackle for Baylor after starting at left tackle for his junior college team, where he was named All-American Juco. He was first team All-Conference in 2010 and graded out at over 90 percent for the season despite playing against respected pass rushers such as Von Miller, Sam Acho, and Jeremy Beal.

He's being considered as a potential five position type player at the next level that has excellent strength and superb technique. For a guy who has only played football for four years, his skill set and understanding of the game is substantially better than the majority of offensive line prospects in this draft.

However, since you are a ****ing moron, I suspect that you don't know jack shit about anything related to players in the draft, and you have confirmed that suspicion with your dumb as **** post.

http://worldaccordingtomonte.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/antoine-dodson-dumb.gif%3Fw%3D300%26h%3D225

Coogs
04-28-2011, 08:25 AM
Somehow I don't see 5 QBs going in the first 12 picks.

Especially having 5 go in the first 12 and then Mallett slipping to the 2nd round.

You know, if the draft falls this way... and if we are going to take a flier on a QB in the earlier part of this draft (day 2)... I'd just as soon get Mallett at 21 and get a RT on day 2.

Coogs
04-28-2011, 08:27 AM
Gunther will start looking like a competent DC if that happens.

Never... ever... underestimate Gunther's ability to be able to screw something up!

ChiefMojo
04-28-2011, 08:37 AM
I love the Gabe Carimi pick at #21... even more so that Sac hates it! With that said I would then either take WR or OLB in the 2nd round. In the 3rd I would take a NT in Powe out of Ole Miss. In the 4th round we take ether a WR or OLB if we didn't take the other in the 2nd. Still think we will see a QB in 5th-6th round range... someone like Tolizen or McElroy.

El Jefe
04-28-2011, 09:24 AM
Still carimi.

I'm almost satisfied due to relief that it's not watkins.

Almost...

****ing carimi.

HAHA, this post really made me LMAO, I am in the same mindset you are LOL.

OnTheWarpath58
04-28-2011, 09:35 AM
Well, fuck.

I left this thread last night thinking that maybe a good night's sleep, a morning workout and a nice breakfast might soften me a bit on this pick.

Nope.

RT in the 1st round is for teams with very few, if any holes. I'm a firm believer that you better get your LT early, that it's OK to take a center late in the 1st if he's a lock All-Pro - but otherwise, it's too fucking easy to find offensive linemen - RT especially - later in the draft.

If this happens, it will bother me to no end that our decision makers feel it's necessary to use the 21st overall pick on such a valueless position.

Trade up, trade down, whatever. Hell, I'd be OK with Taylor over a goddamn RT - it's like this organization forgets that NT is the most important position in the 34 defense.

*sigh*

Please be wrong, Goose.

Pestilence
04-28-2011, 09:37 AM
I'm on the trade down band wagon. I'm seriously hoping that Pouncey is there at #21. That way we can trade down to #31 and the Steelers can have their twins.

Chiefnj2
04-28-2011, 09:40 AM
KC needs versatility on the line. Waters and Weigman may retire. You have Asamoah to take one guard spot, but Lilja wore down as the season went on. It appeared that he was as much of a problem in short yardage situations as the center was. Richardson needs to be upgraded as well. I can see why Watkins would be a consideration - he can play RT or G. Maybe even LT in a pinch.

I'd still take Taylor over Watkins and Carimi, but I see the value to the team in all 3.

ChiefsCountry
04-28-2011, 09:45 AM
It's like this organization forgets that NT is the most important position in the 34 defense.


Come on now this is the organization that forgets that QB is the most important position on the whole freaking team.

Coogs
04-28-2011, 09:48 AM
I'm on the trade down band wagon. I'm seriously hoping that Pouncey is there at #21. That way we can trade down to #31 and the Steelers can have their twins.

If we are trading down, I would rather go into the 2nd round, and pick up that 1st rounder next year. Going down to 31 probably will just net a 3rd rounder this year. A late 3rd at that.

OnTheWarpath58
04-28-2011, 09:48 AM
Come on now this is the organization that forgets that QB is the most important position on the whole freaking team.

Well, when you have a GM that claims he "doesn't know what a first round grade is," we're bound to keep getting these valueless picks.

Detoxing
04-28-2011, 09:56 AM
Well, ****.

I left this thread last night thinking that maybe a good night's sleep, a morning workout and a nice breakfast might soften me a bit on this pick.

Nope.

RT in the 1st round is for teams with very few, if any holes. I'm a firm believer that you better get your LT early, that it's OK to take a center late in the 1st if he's a lock All-Pro - but otherwise, it's too ****ing easy to find offensive linemen - RT especially - later in the draft.

If this happens, it will bother me to no end that our decision makers feel it's necessary to use the 21st overall pick on such a valueless position.

Trade up, trade down, whatever. Hell, I'd be OK with Taylor over a goddamn RT - it's like this organization forgets that NT is the most important position in the 34 defense.

*sigh*

Please be wrong, Goose.

Who would you like to see @ 21?

Saccopoo
04-28-2011, 09:56 AM
Well, ****.

I left this thread last night thinking that maybe a good night's sleep, a morning workout and a nice breakfast might soften me a bit on this pick.

Nope.

RT in the 1st round is for teams with very few, if any holes. I'm a firm believer that you better get your LT early, that it's OK to take a center late in the 1st if he's a lock All-Pro - but otherwise, it's too ****ing easy to find offensive linemen - RT especially - later in the draft.

That's applicable to any position.

If this happens, it will bother me to no end that our decision makers feel it's necessary to use the 21st overall pick on such a valueless position.

Right tackle is not a valueless position. With the blitz schemes most defenses are running now, along with swapping out the best pass rusher from side to side, like we do with Hali, having a quality right tackle is nearly as important as having a quality left tackle.

Trade up, trade down, whatever. Hell, I'd be OK with Taylor over a goddamn RT - it's like this organization forgets that NT is the most important position in the 34 defense.

So you'd be happy with a underachieving two gap run plugger over a right tackle?

Now, the argument with this is that going into the 2010 season, both Taylor and Carimi were considered third/fourth round prospects at best and now both are being mentioned as potential first rounders based on a late season surge and a very good Senior Bowl week.

Unless the guy is an uber-freak like Ted Washington or Haloti Ngata, you never piss away a high pick on a fat ass run stuffer, especially one that hasn't done jack squat to date.

*sigh*

Please be wrong, Goose.

Oh, I'm sure he's not. They way everyone is automatically deferring to his prophetic insight, I don't know why they are even having the draft. Gosselin has already made the correct choices for every team. Let's just pack up the bags and head into training camp with our new rookie selected by the Nostradamus of Football, Rick Gosselin. All hail the prognosticating brilliance of the Rickster!

OnTheWarpath58
04-28-2011, 10:07 AM
Who would you like to see @ 21?

I'd like to see a trade up for Julio, but that's not happening.

I'm really not a huge fan of anyone if we stay at 21 other than Aldon Smith. I don't think he'll fall that far, even with the talk of there being potentially 5-6 QB's in the Top 15.

I want no part of a RT at 21. I'd be OK with Ayers or Taylor. If we can't trade up, I'd prefer to trade back unless Smith is there.

One thought on Taylor:

I personally don't think he's worth the 21st pick. However, if we took him, I would hope it's because Pioli sees him as his Vince Wilfork.

Bottom line? I'm not a fan of this draft, at least not at 21.

philfree
04-28-2011, 10:27 AM
I'd like to see a trade up for Julio, but that's not happening.

I'm really not a huge fan of anyone if we stay at 21 other than Aldon Smith. I don't think he'll fall that far, even with the talk of there being potentially 5-6 QB's in the Top 15.

I want no part of a RT at 21. I'd be OK with Ayers or Taylor. If we can't trade up, I'd prefer to trade back unless Smith is there.

One thought on Taylor:

I personally don't think he's worth the 21st pick. However, if we took him, I would hope it's because Pioli sees him as his Vince Wilfork.

Bottom line? I'm not a fan of this draft, at least not at 21.

It's just not building up to excitement is it. We'l probably end up with a solid player......We'd all rather find a star. Oh....ho-hum...


PhilFree:arrow:

keg in kc
04-28-2011, 10:50 AM
Come on now this is the organization that forgets that QB is the most important position on the whole freaking team.Yeah, that's why their first move was to trade for one.

Dylan
04-28-2011, 11:25 AM
19. New York Giants: Nate Solder, OT, Colorado

Doubt it.

salame
04-28-2011, 02:05 PM
Doubt it.

why?
your offensive line is broken down

AndChiefs
04-28-2011, 02:11 PM
You've watched Youtube clips of him. Stop talking like you watched full game footage of Von Miller when you couldn't even be bothered to watch entire games of the 2010 Denver Broncos.

I watched every game. Unfortunately he's correct. Miller is a much better run defender than you would think. Of course, when the play is schemed for him to get to the QB he can get run out of position (just like every other excellent pass rusher). When he's defending the run you definitely can't ignore him like some.

RustShack
04-28-2011, 02:24 PM
I wonder if Lilja could play Center. Hes good, but he did wear down as the season went on. I think Asamoah would be the answer at RG, and maybe Harris is ready to take over LG if we don't draft someone.

SNR
04-28-2011, 02:38 PM
Well, let's see...he was a two year starter at left tackle for Baylor after starting at left tackle for his junior college team, where he was named All-American Juco. He was first team All-Conference in 2010 and graded out at over 90 percent for the season despite playing against respected pass rushers such as Von Miller, Sam Acho, and Jeremy Beal.

He's being considered as a potential five position type player at the next level that has excellent strength and superb technique. For a guy who has only played football for four years, his skill set and understanding of the game is substantially better than the majority of offensive line prospects in this draft.

However, since you are a ****ing moron, I suspect that you don't know jack shit about anything related to players in the draft, and you have confirmed that suspicion with your dumb as **** post.He's twenty fucking seven.

I can't wait to draft our franchise LT only to turn around in 3 years and say, "hmm... our guy is in his 30s now. That could be a problem"

And I don't want to hear the "wear and tear" argument.

You take 27 year olds in the 4th round and beyond. When the price is right. Not with your first rounder.

keg in kc
04-28-2011, 02:42 PM
Age doesn't matter. That's why Chris Weinke went in the first round.

Chiefnj2
04-28-2011, 02:51 PM
I don't care if the kid is 27. Seriously, if he is a pro bowl quality/caliber player and KC gets such a high level of play from the kid for 6-7 years, it's a win.

SNR
04-28-2011, 02:56 PM
I don't care if the kid is 27. Seriously, if he is a pro bowl quality/caliber player and KC gets such a high level of play from the kid for 6-7 years, it's a win.And if all goes well our young, virile QB will blossom into the franchise signal caller that all teams wish they had at the ripe age of 32.

Years matter in the NFL. If you're going to spend a 1st rounder on an offensive lineman, you better make sure he lasts a long time so you don't have to do it again.

MoreLemonPledge
04-28-2011, 03:04 PM
So I can get a 2005 Lexus and a brand new Lexus for the same price?

GUESS I'LL GO WITH THE 2005

Mr. Laz
04-28-2011, 03:05 PM
well taking Carimi isn't a sexy pick but at #21 it's a proper value imo.


i guess he can play both so maybe they start in him at RT and move him over to later.

Chiefnj2
04-28-2011, 03:14 PM
And if all goes well our young, virile QB will blossom into the franchise signal caller that all teams wish they had at the ripe age of 32.

Years matter in the NFL. If you're going to spend a 1st rounder on an offensive lineman, you better make sure he lasts a long time so you don't have to do it again.

I'll worry about him in the 2018 draft, after we've filled C, NT, LDE, WR, OLB, ILB. QB, etc., etc.,

SNR
04-28-2011, 03:14 PM
So I can get a 2005 Lexus and a brand new Lexus for the same price?

GUESS I'LL GO WITH THE 2005That's what people don't realize (especially Sac)

Danny Watkins isn't Willie Roaf. He's not Jerry Kramer. He's not Munoz. People act like we're going to get ultra quality line play if we take Watkins.

He's still got some ways to go just like all the other guys. Oh, and did I mention he's 27?

DeezNutz
04-28-2011, 03:32 PM
That's what people don't realize (especially Sac)

Danny Watkins isn't Willie Roaf. He's not Jerry Kramer. He's not Munoz. People act like we're going to get ultra quality line play if we take Watkins.

He's still got some ways to go just like all the other guys. Oh, and did I mention he's 27?

Actually, I think it's brilliant. He and Cassel can develop and realize their upside together.

OnTheWarpath58
04-28-2011, 03:35 PM
Actually, I think it's brilliant. He and Cassel can develop and realize their upside together.

LMAO

Amnorix
04-28-2011, 03:40 PM
Mort is reporting the 'boys want to back down out of 9. Are looking to swap with Pats, who might want to jump up for Jordan.

In case anyone doesn't know (and actually cares, which is even less likely), whatever BB wants to do is fine with me. He's more than proven that he's a master at draft board manipulation. That doesn't mean he picks the right player every time, of course, but when it comes to dealing picks or staying put, he has consistently proven that he can generate tremendous long term value.

DeezNutz
04-28-2011, 03:41 PM
Mort is reporting the 'boys want to back down out of 9. Are looking to swap with Pats, who might want to jump up for Jordan.

In case anyone doesn't know (and actually cares, which is even less likely), whatever BB wants to do is fine with me. He's more than proven that he's a master at draft board manipulation. That doesn't mean he picks the right player every time, of course, but when it comes to dealing picks or staying put, he has consistently proven that he can generate tremendous long term value.

Bullshit. It was Pioli who was pulling the draft-day strings in NE.

You're fucked.

Amnorix
04-28-2011, 03:41 PM
17th pick: New England Patriots
Cameron Jordan -- DE, California
The Patriots are likely to trade out of this spot. But Jordan here could be an inducement to stay put. He’s a 3-4 end who fits the size prototype (6-4, 287) Bill Belichick covets. Bigger is always better in New England.
(Team needs: OL, DE, OLB, HB)

28th pick: New England Patriots
Danny Watkins -- G, Baylor
Watkins is the safest pick in the entire draft — the one player you can confidently say will be in the Pro Bowl in 2012. He’s the best guard on the board, and some NFL teams were looking at him as both a center and tackle.
(Team needs: OL, DE, OLB, HB)

umm....yes. Waiter, check please....

DeezNutz
04-28-2011, 03:42 PM
Elders usually pay, so leave the check for Watkins' old ass.

Amnorix
04-28-2011, 03:43 PM
Bullshit. It was Pioli who was pulling the draft-day strings in NE.

You're fucked.


ROFL

SNR
04-28-2011, 03:49 PM
Mort is reporting the 'boys want to back down out of 9. Are looking to swap with Pats, who might want to jump up for Jordan.

In case anyone doesn't know (and actually cares, which is even less likely), whatever BB wants to do is fine with me. He's more than proven that he's a master at draft board manipulation. That doesn't mean he picks the right player every time, of course, but when it comes to dealing picks or staying put, he has consistently proven that he can generate tremendous long term value.How do you know it wasn't Joshy Mac who was the real draft mastermind for all those years?

Amnorix
04-28-2011, 03:52 PM
How do you know it wasn't Joshy Mac who was the real draft mastermind for all those years?

Mostly because he was still in diapers when we took Richard Seymour at #6 and Matt Light early in the 2nd in 2001.

Mr. Laz
04-28-2011, 03:56 PM
That's what people don't realize (especially Sac)

Danny Watkins isn't Willie Roaf. He's not Jerry Kramer. He's not Munoz. People act like we're going to get ultra quality line play if we take Watkins.

He's still got some ways to go just like all the other guys. Oh, and did I mention he's 27?27!!! :eek:

no way does "big picture" Pioli draft a 27 yr old imo

Dylan
04-28-2011, 04:28 PM
why?
your offensive line is broken down

I think the Giants will go after Pouncey -- if he's gone, my guess -- -- Castonzo -- The Giants need help in the interior line. - Also, Coughlin was the head coach at Boston College during 1990 (?) I guess it could be Solder

I really think the Giants will go after offensive players in the 2 / 3 round.

Corey Liuget ? DE/DT, Illinois -- Giants like to collect DE's. Cofield's future is up in the air.

The Giants have three top priorities: DT, OL & LB.

We also need a CB that can cover Dez Bryant & Desean Jackson.

Dylan
04-28-2011, 05:21 PM
Hearing that Solder is very raw and his strength is questionable. He also needs to bulk up.

Solder has a history of back problems due to his height, which could hurt his longevity in the NFL --

Deberg_1990
04-28-2011, 06:48 PM
So far Gosslein 3.0 has been pretty accurate.

Chiefs=Good
04-29-2011, 12:06 AM
Eat a Fat dick Gos. Baldwin FTW!!!