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The Poz
04-26-2011, 09:56 AM

Tom Keiser sounds like a guys I wouldn't mind seeing in red and gold.

Draft 2011: Late-Round Steals
Tuesday, April 26, 2011

North Carolina Quarterback T.J. Yates

The Tar Heels' all-time passing leader, Yates is ideally built (6'4/221) for the position with one of the quickest releases in the draft. Though there are questions about Yates' arm strength, he's not that far off from TCU's Andy Dalton, a projected first- to early second-round pick. Yates started 44 games at UNC, completing 62.26 percent of his career passes with 58 TDs. An aggressive passer with plenty of upside, Yates could be just as good as Dalton and available several rounds later.

Nebraska Running Back Roy Helu

Some players with elite size-speed combinations are workout wonders with little production. Not Helu. Armed with 4.4 speed at 6'0/219, Helu averaged 6.62 yards per carry as a senior with 11 TDs and was voted second-team All-Big 12 by the conference's coaches, leaving Nebraska as the No. 5 rusher in school history. Helu also has big hands for a running back at 10 1/8 inches, which should help his ball security. He'll appeal to zone-blocking teams like the Redskins and Colts.

UCF Offensive Tackle Jah Reid

One of NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock's favorite sleepers, Reid was a 41-game starter at right tackle for the Golden Knights. While his value is limited because of his ability to play just one position on the line, the 6'7/325-pound man child has ideal NFL length (34" arms, 10" hands) and a decorated track record as a two-time first-team All-Conference USA selection. Any power-blocking team in need of a right tackle should have its eyes on Reid early on the draft's third day.

Marshall Inside Linebacker Mario Harvey

Harvey ranked fourth in the nation in tackles as a senior, manning the middle of Marshall's 4-3 defense. Nicknamed "Thumper" for his propensity to make big hits, Harvey's stock took off at the Thundering Pro Day. Built low to the ground at 5'11/257, Harvey ran an eye-opening 4.43 forty time with a 32" vertical and 4.19 short shuttle. He also showed a knack for rushing the passer in college (21 career sacks, 36.5 tackles for loss), and will appeal to 3-4 teams as an inside 'backer.

Miami cornerback Ryan Hill

Demarcus Van Dyke and Brandon Harris get more attention among corner prospects from The U, but Hill may have the most upside. The 5'11/205-pound former wideout picked off more passes as a senior than either of the 'Canes' big-name cornerbacks, and has drawn comparisons to Green Bay's Sam Shields for his college pedigree. Hill, in fact, started over Van Dyke last year. At the very least, the experienced special teamer will make an impact in kickoff coverage.

Southern Illinois Cornerback Korey Lindsey

Lindsey is built unimpressively from head to toe (5'10/181, 7 7/8" hands), but no one can doubt his playmaking ability. A two-time first-team FCS All American and three-time first-team All-Missouri Valley Conference pick, Lindsey picked off 14 career passes despite teams' refusal to throw in his direction as a senior. Also offering value in the punt return game, Lindsey projects as an NFL nickel back with ideal ball skills. He'll likely begin his pro career covering slot receivers.

North Carolina State Wide Receiver Owen Spencer

Spencer ran a relatively disappointing 4.54 forty at the Combine, but he plays much faster. The 6'2/195-pound deep threat set the ACC single-season record with a 25.5 yards-per-catch average as a junior, finishing his career with a 19.37 mark and 15 touchdowns. Spencer also has long arms (33 3/8") for a receiver and a big "catch radius." The 23-year-old needs to get stronger, but possesses dangerous vertical skills and could make an immediate impact in four-receiver sets.

Arkansas State Tackle Derek Newton

Newton was only a two-year starter at D-IAA Arkansas State, but he's certainly got NFL-caliber athleticism. At 6'5/311, Newton posted a 5.01 forty time at the Combine to rank third out of the 49 offensive linemen who participated. He's clearly a top-notch athlete. Also a first-team All-Sun Belt selection as a senior, Newton will kick inside in the pros after protecting the blind side for the Indians. Teams that value guards who can pull and block downfield will be intrigued by Newton.

Stanford Outside Linebacker Tom Keiser

Keiser has flown well under the radar for a pass rusher who was highly productive in the Pac 10. A surprise early entrant into the draft, Keiser was snubbed for a Combine invite after racking up an impressive 19.5 sacks and 31.5 tackles for loss in then-Cardinal defensive coordinator Vic Fangio's "multiple" defense. At 6'5/244, Keiser is built to play outside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme. Old pals Fangio and Jim Harbaugh may give Keiser a long look in the later rounds Saturday.

Baldwin-Wallace Outside Linebacker Keith Darbut

An athletic freak with plenty of production, Darbut ran a 4.32 during a pre-draft private workout with the Colts, and proved his sub-4.4 speed wasn't a fluke with a 4.38 at the Akron Pro Day. Darbut isn't well known because he played at D-3 Baldwin Wallace, but he dominated that level enough to earn Ohio Athletic Conference Defensive Lineman of the Year honors. At 6'4/230 with ridiculous wheels, Darbut could make an immediate impact running down kicks on special teams.

The Poz
04-26-2011, 02:05 PM
Another page dedicated to the "Sleeper".


The Pest
04-26-2011, 02:06 PM
I'll take Yates and Reid.

spanky 52
04-26-2011, 05:55 PM
I'd be okay with Yates, Reid and Keiser.

04-26-2011, 06:42 PM
I like your three Spanky!

The Poz
04-26-2011, 07:29 PM
Keiser sounds like a Pioli/Haley type of kid.

Positives: Solid pass rusher... Good burst off the ball... Reasonably good bend on the corner... Active hands... Uses his hands well... Gets good pressure on the pocket... Good balance... Good strength at the point of attack... Plays with good leverage... Solid rip move... Plays the run well... Very solid anchor... Holds the edge reasonably well... Decent change of direction agility... Chases the ball... Has a nose for the football... Stays active... Hard worker... Blue collar... Good motor... Disciplined... Plays smart... Good instincts... Versatile, can line up at a variety of spots... Offers some schematic versatility, has experience in both fronts at Stanford... Is most comfortable with his hand in the dirt... Good character... Can contribute on special teams.

Negatives: Is not the most physically gifted athlete... Does not have much of an arsenal... Average closing speed... Tweener, struggles in coverage and would be a project as a 3-4 OLB... Needs to add an additional 8-12 pounds of bulk to play defensive end... Looks more comfortable rushing the quarterback than dropping into coverage... A bit of a surprise early entrant though he was an academic senior and probably wouldn't have improved his stock by more than a round by staying in school... Pulled hamstring during first 40-yard dash attempt at pro day.

04-26-2011, 08:29 PM
Jah Reid is moving up on some media draft boards. A couple of months ago people thought maybe 5th or 6th round. The other day on the ESPN board during the Bill Parcells interview they had him as a 3rd round pick. I think maybe 4th round and he will be a good right tackle for some team.

04-26-2011, 08:46 PM
FootballOutsiders did a story on running back with a stats based prediction of success in the NFL. Roy Helu, Jr and Alex Green from Hawaii had the highest grades.


04-26-2011, 08:54 PM
Also from the story...

Two backs stand out quite a bit on this list, and neither tends to rank very highly on Draft experts' lists. Both Alex Green and Roy Helu Jr. have struggled with fumbles at times, which probably hurts their stock a bit, but since fumbles simply count as zero-point carries in this system, they are possibly not punished as much as they could be. Each has their own other negative traits as well (Helu is injury-prone, and Green runs high), but their numbers are fantastic.

Is this true on Helu, injuries and fumbles?

04-26-2011, 10:09 PM
My sleeper pick for the 6th or 7th round. FS Chris Prosinski, Wyoming. 6'1", 200 lbs, good productive tackler at Wyoming. Was not invited to NFL Combine but ran a 4.39 40 at Pro Day. He also did an 11 ft broad jump and 39 inch vertical jump. He's not just a work out warrior. Very productive in college with 373 career tackles and was a team captain.


04-27-2011, 07:44 AM
FootballOutsiders did a story on running back with a stats based prediction of success in the NFL. Roy Helu, Jr and Alex Green from Hawaii had the highest grades.


The problem with that article is that it just looks at production and doesn't seem to take in to consideration other factors that may have affected that production. In the case of Jaquizz Rodgers, the Beavers' offensive line was pretty bad last year. They were also breaking in a new QB. The defenses lined up to stop Quizz and dared the new QB to beat them. Once the main WR threat, Quizz's brother James, went down mid-season, there just wasn't anyone else for the defenses to worry about.