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Douche Baggins
04-30-2011, 12:00 PM
Height: 6-4 3/8
Weight: 223
Speed: 4.93
Arm: 32
Hand: 10
Wingspan: 77 5/8
Birthdate: 09/03/1987
Hometown: Mentor, OH
Grade: 5.53

http://images.wikia.com/nfl/images/9/9c/Tom.jpg

Notes: Also earned four letters in basketball as an Ohio prep. Redshirted in 2006. Arrested in May ’07 for underaged possession of alcohol. Saw very limited action in two games in ’07, recording just an interception in four pass attempts. In the fall, started 11-of-13 games (yielded starts to Jake Christensen against Maine and Pittsburgh) and completed 150-of-254 pass attempts (59.1 percent) for 1,956 yards with 14 touchdowns and nine interceptions. Started all 11 games in which he played in ’09, tossing 171-304-2,417-17-15 (56.3). Missed a pair of games after severely spraining his right ankle against Northwestern and undergoing surgery. Healthy in ’10, started all 13 games and totaled 221-345-3,004-25-6 (64.1). Sprained his left knee in the season opener. Team captain. Had a 26-9 career starting record.

Positives: Outstanding size with a compact, over-the-top delivery. Played in pro-style offense and is very comfortable operating from underneath center. Good footwork and delivery quickness. Has enough arm strength, and it has improved in recent years. Nice footwork. Athletic enough to sidestep the first wave of pressure. Smart, hardworking and is passionate about the game — is wired the right way, works at his craft and has earned the respect of his teammates. Very humble and quietly competitive. Will play through pain.

Negatives: Has a very lean build, is still underdeveloped physically and needs to spend more time in the weight room and get stronger. Does not drive the ball downfield — and some balls die with low RPMs. Can be flustered by pressure and forced into making bad throws. Does not read the whole field or see undercutting safeties — needs to hone his instincts and become more confident anticipating receivers coming open and pulling the trigger. Must improve field vision, anticipation and progression quickness. Could not come through in the clutch and close out tight contests vs. Arizona, Wisconsin and Northwestern when the game was on the line. Did not exude confidence at the Senior Bowl or show well.

Summary: An excellent-sized, pro-style passer who still needs to learn to trust his eyes and get the ball out on time, Stanzi has a strong base from which to develop and could blossom with quality coaching that feeds his confidence. Has appealing intangibles, leadership traits and work habits and most of his flaws are correctable. Has potential to develop into an eventual starter and draws some eerily similar semblance to a young Tom Brady.

NFL projection: Third- to fourth-round pick.

suzzer99
04-30-2011, 12:02 PM
Cool.

niblet
04-30-2011, 12:03 PM
http://images.wikia.com/nfl/images/9/9c/Tom.jpg

ROFL

BWillie
04-30-2011, 12:03 PM
The Stanzinator is ours!

Chocolate Hog
04-30-2011, 12:04 PM
I've noticed we've drafted a lot of former high school basketball players. New theme.

bevischief
04-30-2011, 12:04 PM
Height: 6-4 3/8
Weight: 223
Speed: 4.93
Arm: 32
Hand: 10
Wingspan: 77 5/8
Birthdate: 09/03/1987
Hometown: Mentor, OH
Grade: 5.53

http://images.wikia.com/nfl/images/9/9c/Tom.jpg

Notes: Also earned four letters in basketball as an Ohio prep. Redshirted in 2006. Arrested in May ’07 for underaged possession of alcohol. Saw very limited action in two games in ’07, recording just an interception in four pass attempts. In the fall, started 11-of-13 games (yielded starts to Jake Christensen against Maine and Pittsburgh) and completed 150-of-254 pass attempts (59.1 percent) for 1,956 yards with 14 touchdowns and nine interceptions. Started all 11 games in which he played in ’09, tossing 171-304-2,417-17-15 (56.3). Missed a pair of games after severely spraining his right ankle against Northwestern and undergoing surgery. Healthy in ’10, started all 13 games and totaled 221-345-3,004-25-6 (64.1). Sprained his left knee in the season opener. Team captain. Had a 26-9 career starting record.

Positives: Outstanding size with a compact, over-the-top delivery. Played in pro-style offense and is very comfortable operating from underneath center. Good footwork and delivery quickness. Has enough arm strength, and it has improved in recent years. Nice footwork. Athletic enough to sidestep the first wave of pressure. Smart, hardworking and is passionate about the game — is wired the right way, works at his craft and has earned the respect of his teammates. Very humble and quietly competitive. Will play through pain.

Negatives: Has a very lean build, is still underdeveloped physically and needs to spend more time in the weight room and get stronger. Does not drive the ball downfield — and some balls die with low RPMs. Can be flustered by pressure and forced into making bad throws. Does not read the whole field or see undercutting safeties — needs to hone his instincts and become more confident anticipating receivers coming open and pulling the trigger. Must improve field vision, anticipation and progression quickness. Could not come through in the clutch and close out tight contests vs. Arizona, Wisconsin and Northwestern when the game was on the line. Did not exude confidence at the Senior Bowl or show well.

Summary: An excellent-sized, pro-style passer who still needs to learn to trust his eyes and get the ball out on time, Stanzi has a strong base from which to develop and could blossom with quality coaching that feeds his confidence. Has appealing intangibles, leadership traits and work habits and most of his flaws are correctable. Has potential to develop into an eventual starter and draws some eerily similar semblance to a young Tom Brady.

NFL projection: Third- to fourth-round pick..

Douche Baggins
04-30-2011, 12:04 PM
I'm thrilled with this pick. At the very least I think he will be an EXCELLENT backup QB.

Much better option than Brokie.

Chocolate Hog
04-30-2011, 12:05 PM
I'm thrilled with this pick. At the very least I think he will be an EXCELLENT backup QB.

Much better option than Brokie.

Please post the Tomahawk Chop avatar again.

Mr. Arrowhead
04-30-2011, 12:05 PM
haha good one GC, ROFL

beach tribe
04-30-2011, 12:05 PM
I'm thrilled with this pick. At the very least I think he will be an EXCELLENT backup QB.

Much better option than Brokie.

Same here. Will have plenty of time to develop, but could easily be our backup for the next decade.

Thig Lyfe
04-30-2011, 12:06 PM
FINALLY GOT OUR QBOTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chocolate Hog
04-30-2011, 12:07 PM
Dane speaks to us....


Seriously, I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.

And say no to Ricky Stanzi. He's Matt Cassel part deux, from what I've seen (three or four games this year).

Although I expect the Iowa homers to tell me how great he is in this thread.

:rolleyes:

Douche Baggins
04-30-2011, 12:09 PM
Please post the Tomahawk Chop avatar again.

CORN FED IOWA MOTHERFUCKERS STAYING IN THE BREAD BOWL FTMFW

http://i54.tinypic.com/14wpqvr.jpg

TRR
04-30-2011, 12:11 PM
I've watched Stanzi his entire career and met him several times in IC. A nice guy.....however....

Not sold on his QB ability in the least bit. IA fans were sold on him early in his career, but lost faith in him late with his INT issues (Jr year) and mental lapses in his senior season. He's probably the most streaky QB I've ever watched in my life. Extremely hot and cold.

I don't project Stanzi as a starting QB ever, but a decent backup. Think a stronger Brodie Croyle without as good of collegiate career.
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Tuckdaddy
04-30-2011, 12:12 PM
GOOD PICK. This kid is a gamer. I hope he starts but that won't happen.

Douche Baggins
04-30-2011, 12:12 PM
Preseason games are gonna be OFF THA HEEZY

Bowser
04-30-2011, 12:13 PM
I've watched Stanzi his entire career and met him several times in IC. A nice guy.....however....

Not sold on his QB ability in the least bit. IA fans were sold on him early in his career, but lost faith in him late with his INT issues (Jr year) and mental lapses in his senior season. He's probably the most streaky QB I've ever watched in my life. Extremely hot and cold.

I don't project Stanzi as a starting QB ever, but a decent backup. Think a stronger Brodie Croyle without as good of collegiate career.
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GOOD PICK. This kid is a gamer. I hope he starts but that won't happen.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WHICH IS IT

keg in kc
04-30-2011, 12:18 PM
I'll be greatly surprised if he's ever a starter but I don't think a backup QB in the 5th round is a bad pick.

kysirsoze
04-30-2011, 12:20 PM
Can be flustered by pressure and forced into making bad throws. Does not read the whole field or see undercutting safeties — needs to hone his instincts and become more confident anticipating receivers coming open and pulling the trigger. Must improve field vision, anticipation and progression quickness. Could not come through in the clutch and close out tight contests vs. Arizona, Wisconsin and Northwestern when the game was on the line.

Well that seals it. He really is Cassel II.

Gonzo
04-30-2011, 12:23 PM
He's average at best. But hey, we need a backup.
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aturnis
04-30-2011, 12:24 PM
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aturnis
04-30-2011, 12:24 PM
He's average at best. But hey, we need a backup.
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Shows what you know...

Tribal Warfare
04-30-2011, 12:27 PM
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aturnis
04-30-2011, 12:28 PM
I've watched Stanzi his entire career and met him several times in IC. A nice guy.....however....

Not sold on his QB ability in the least bit. IA fans were sold on him early in his career, but lost faith in him late with his INT issues (Jr year) and mental lapses in his senior season. He's probably the most streaky QB I've ever watched in my life. Extremely hot and cold.

I don't project Stanzi as a starting QB ever, but a decent backup. Think a stronger Brodie Croyle without as good of collegiate career.
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Whatever. Stanzi's INT problems were because of his gunslinger mentality. Had to win, and won lots of games for the Hawkeyes, unfortunately as a JR. he almost lost a few trying to be like Brett Favre. The only question mark he has as far as I'm concerned is his deep ball.

Discuss Thrower
04-30-2011, 12:28 PM
I've noticed we've drafted a lot of former high school basketball players. New theme.

Quick thinking? ability to improvise? Overall better athleticism?

AndChiefs
04-30-2011, 12:28 PM
Whatever. Stanzi's INT problems were because of his gunslinger mentality. Had to win, and won lots of games for the Hawkeyes, unfortunately as a JR. he almost lost a few trying to be like Brett Favre. The only question mark he has as far as I'm concerned is his deep ball.

You don't happen to be Stanzi's mother do you?

aturnis
04-30-2011, 12:30 PM
I've noticed we've drafted a lot of former high school basketball players. New theme.

What athlete doesn't play any sport they can in high school?

eazyb81
04-30-2011, 12:35 PM
I love this pick.

At the very least, he's EASILY a better option at backup than Croyle, who is a waste of a roster spot at this point.

Just like every QB in this draft, he has some flaws. But he has enough positives to dream on and project him as a potential solid starter one day.

Sure-Oz
04-30-2011, 12:37 PM
Croyle broke his wrist looking at this thread

TRR
04-30-2011, 12:43 PM
Whatever. Stanzi's INT problems were because of his gunslinger mentality. Had to win, and won lots of games for the Hawkeyes, unfortunately as a JR. he almost lost a few trying to be like Brett Favre. The only question mark he has as far as I'm concerned is his deep ball.

He was never, ever a gunslinger. He threw INT's because he is prone to making mental errors. It happened over and over and over again his entire career. Iowa had to simplify the offense his SENIOR season, and give him 1-2 reads with high percentage throws. And this is with two of the best WRs Iowa has ever seen, and decent TE's.

I don't mind the pick, but I have a very hard time envisioning him as a starter.
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kcfanXIII
04-30-2011, 12:44 PM
Croyle broke his wrist looking at this thread

then threw an int...

aturnis
04-30-2011, 12:50 PM
He was never, ever a gunslinger. He threw INT's because he is prone to making mental errors. It happened over and over and over again his entire career. Iowa had to simplify the offense his SENIOR season, and give him 1-2 reads with high percentage throws. And this is with two of the best WRs Iowa has ever seen, and decent TE's.

I don't mind the pick, but I have a very hard time envisioning him as a starter.
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Simplified the offense huh? First I've heard of that. All I heard was how much he worked hard during last offseason, studying film yada yada, and cut out all the mistakes this year.

Not saying he didn't get caught watching a receiver from time to time, but if DJK had done for you what he did for Iowa, it might be understandable, the guy was trustworthy. Also, if he was only to make 1 or 2 reads, how does he make all of the improvised plays when escaping pressure? Didn't keep his eyes downfield looking for the open receiver?

TRR
04-30-2011, 12:56 PM
Simplified the offense huh? First I've heard of that. All I heard was how much he worked hard during last offseason, studying film yada yada, and cut out all the mistakes this year.

Not saying he didn't get caught watching a receiver from time to time, but if DJK had done for you what he did for Iowa, it might be understandable, the guy was trustworthy. Also, if he was only to make 1 or 2 reads, how does he make all of the improvised plays when escaping pressure? Didn't keep his eyes downfield looking for the open receiver?

I've had discussions on Stanzi over and over. I live in Iowa City, and have watched Stanzi play his entire career, and my opinion has been formed of him over his career.

I could be very wrong, and I hope I am. But, I really felt his improvement on the INT's happened not because of him, but because of the extremely short leash he was on. Stanzi has made some great plays over his career....And some extremely terrible ones that I can't get over easily.
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Sweet Daddy Hate
04-30-2011, 01:02 PM
There were better prospects this year, but the fact that Ass Hattle is teh god-awful suck and needs to be challenged makes me say "okay, why not"(?).

2bikemike
04-30-2011, 01:14 PM
Well I don't know if Stanzi is better than Brokie or not but one thing they have in common is the number of wins in the NFL.

buddha
04-30-2011, 01:18 PM
We know Croyle is horrible. Stanzi has some tools and some size. I don't think he's great, but I think he has potential. With where we got him, that's the best you can hope for. If he sucks or flames out, big deal.

Douche Baggins
04-30-2011, 01:19 PM
Stanzi meets all of the Parcells QB requirements.

1. He must be a senior, because you need time and maturity to develop into a good professional quarterback. CHECK.

2. He must be a graduate, because you want someone who takes his responsibilities seriously. CHECK.

3. He must be a three-year starter, because you need to make sure his success wasn’t ephemeral and that he has lived as “the guy” for some period of time. CHECK.

4. He must have at least 23 wins, because the big passing numbers must come in the context of winning games. CHECK

Mr_Tomahawk
04-30-2011, 01:21 PM
Stanzi makes me a bit more interested in the [possible] upcoming preseason.

wazu
04-30-2011, 01:21 PM
Well that seals it. He really is Cassel II.

They've probably played a comparable amount of football.

BWillie
04-30-2011, 01:23 PM
If it matters any, he had an extremely high Wonderlic score and interviewed very well. He looks the part.

Sweet Daddy Hate
04-30-2011, 01:23 PM
Stanzi meets all of the Parcells QB requirements.

1. He must be a senior, because you need time and maturity to develop into a good professional quarterback. CHECK.

2. He must be a graduate, because you want someone who takes his responsibilities seriously. CHECK.

3. He must be a three-year starter, because you need to make sure his success wasn’t ephemeral and that he has lived as “the guy” for some period of time. CHECK.

4. He must have at least 23 wins, because the big passing numbers must come in the context of winning games. CHECK

If he can be a better game manager than the Shamed One, he has already paid for himself.

TEX
04-30-2011, 01:26 PM
Well I don't know if Stanzi is better than Brokie or not but one thing they have in common is the number of wins in the NFL.

THIS.
Brodie is FINALLY G-O-N-E.

Bewbies
04-30-2011, 01:39 PM
Will someone start an OFFICIAL START RICKY STANZI thread? Lots of QB's I'd have rather drafted, but he's not Matt Cassel right?

Sweet Daddy Hate
04-30-2011, 01:46 PM
Will someone start an OFFICIAL START RICKY STANZI thread? Lots of QB's I'd have rather drafted, but he's not Matt Cassel right?

Eh, let's let him work with Zorn for a year whilst The Turdwhacker continues to build a case against himself.

Bump
04-30-2011, 01:46 PM
Bye Brodie, I will always remember jizzing to the pics of your wife.

Bewbies
04-30-2011, 01:48 PM
Eh, let's let him work with Zorn for a year whilst The Turdwhacker continues to build a case against himself.

That case has already been closed. :evil:

Sweet Daddy Hate
04-30-2011, 01:51 PM
That case has already been closed. :evil:

63 million reasons to revoke this "Executive of the Year"-horseshit.

aturnis
04-30-2011, 01:56 PM
Mel Kiper on the Stanzi pick.

"I like this kid," Kiper said. "I'm not going to say Tom Brady -- Big Ten, No. 12. 6'4", 225 pounds, very accurate in the pocket. He takes snaps from under center. He's pro-style all the way. Veteran of the collegiate ranks. Stayed his whole career there working for Kirk Feretnz getting the job done for the Iowa Hawkeyes. I like the way he improved.

"I didn't like the fourth quarter metldowns. The fourth quarter as a junior was outstanding. Made some big throws. This year he completed only 56.3 percent in the fourth quarter. When you talk about a kid on third down completing 69.2 percent of his passes, seven touchdowns, zero interceptions. Remember Tony Moeaki last year? Stanzi allowed him to be successful there. Good football player. He'll provide competition on Matt Cassel."

Wilson8
04-30-2011, 02:18 PM
Footballoutsiders has a story concerning stats and prediction on an NFL career...

Important stats: 35 games started, 59.8% completion rate, senior passer rating improved 26.0 points.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2011/introducing-lewin-career-forecast-v20

BigRedChief
04-30-2011, 02:38 PM
THIS.
Brodie is FINALLY G-O-N-E.I wonder if we can work out a deal to have the Mrs. stay?

Chocolate Hog
04-30-2011, 02:39 PM
I wonder if we can work out a deal to have the Mrs. stay?

A bad yeast infection could keep her bedside for awhile.

Bewbies
04-30-2011, 02:44 PM
63 million reasons to revoke this "Executive of the Year"-horseshit.

As much as I hate Cassel I'm not sold he didn't make a good move there. Detroit wanted Stafford, and it's pretty clear the Jets wanted Sanchez. With everyone trying to move out of the top of that draft I'm not sure we would have landed Sanchez anyway.....

Hard to believe we win 2 freaking games and end up with the 3rd pick that year. Terrible. :banghead:

Bewbies
04-30-2011, 02:45 PM
In hindsight the big miss was Freeman, but I don't think too many people saw him developing this quickly.

Tuckdaddy
04-30-2011, 02:47 PM
He's a throw back kid that plays with heart, a little anger and purpose. He doesn't like to lose pure and simple.

Fritz88
04-30-2011, 03:05 PM
Horrible pick. I am just glad we felt the need to address this position.

PGM
04-30-2011, 03:42 PM
Solid selection with a 5th.

T-post Tom
04-30-2011, 03:47 PM
I've had discussions on Stanzi over and over. I live in Iowa City, and have watched Stanzi play his entire career, and my opinion has been formed of him over his career.

I could be very wrong, and I hope I am. But, I really felt his improvement on the INT's happened not because of him, but because of the extremely short leash he was on. Stanzi has made some great plays over his career....And some extremely terrible ones that I can't get over easily.
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Jim Zorn will have him throwing TDs & dating a supermodel in no time. No worries. :thumb:

herkyhawkeye
04-30-2011, 04:27 PM
The naysayers in this thread are ridiculous. You just picked up a guy that many thought was a 3rd rounder. The talent gap is minimal(if at all depending on opinions) between Stanzi and the trio of Dalton,Kaepernick, and Ponder. They went in the top 35 Stanzi went 135.

He isnt missing any tools that are necessary to succeed in the league, has prototypical size, and is a gamer. He continually improved his entire career and has a very good work ethic. He is a PR dream with the media and gained high praise in the locker room. Guy is a film room rat with a high work ethic. Never received proper tutelage in college(Iowas QB coach is a OC who has shown no ability of development in the past). The guys game compares to Tom Brady and he comes from a Pro Style system that translates extremely well to the league and expecially the KC Chiefs. The guys favorite target was Tony Moeaki. High upside and no major weaknesses or character flaws.

This was a great pick and probably has more value at where he was drafted than any other QB. I came on here last year and schooled the naysayers on Moeaki and im doing it again right here. Another great pick for a KC draft class that is turning out to be one of the best in the entire draft.

Fritz88
04-30-2011, 04:34 PM
The naysayers in this thread are ridiculous. You just picked up a guy that many thought was a 3rd rounder. The talent gap is minimal(if at all depending on opinions) between Stanzi and the trio of Dalton,Kaepernick, and Ponder. They went in the top 35 Stanzi went 135.

He isnt missing any tools that are necessary to succeed in the league, has prototypical size, and is a gamer. He continually improved his entire career and has a very good work ethic. He is a PR dream with the media and gained high praise in the locker room. Guy is a film room rat with a high work ethic. Never received proper tutelage in college(Iowas QB coach is a OC who has shown no ability of development in the past). The guys game compares to Tom Brady and he comes from a Pro Style system that translates extremely well to the league and expecially the KC Chiefs. The guys favorite target was Tony Moeaki. High upside and no major weaknesses or character flaws.

This was a great pick and probably has more value at where he was drafted than any other QB. I came on here last year and schooled the naysayers on Moeaki and im doing it again right here. Another great pick for a KC draft class that is turning out to be one of the best in the entire draft.

Molest me.
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NewChief
04-30-2011, 04:36 PM
The naysayers in this thread are ridiculous. You just picked up a guy that many thought was a 3rd rounder. The talent gap is minimal(if at all depending on opinions) between Stanzi and the trio of Dalton,Kaepernick, and Ponder. They went in the top 35 Stanzi went 135.

He isnt missing any tools that are necessary to succeed in the league, has prototypical size, and is a gamer. He continually improved his entire career and has a very good work ethic. He is a PR dream with the media and gained high praise in the locker room. Guy is a film room rat with a high work ethic. Never received proper tutelage in college(Iowas QB coach is a OC who has shown no ability of development in the past). The guys game compares to Tom Brady and he comes from a Pro Style system that translates extremely well to the league and expecially the KC Chiefs. The guys favorite target was Tony Moeaki. High upside and no major weaknesses or character flaws.

This was a great pick and probably has more value at where he was drafted than any other QB. I came on here last year and schooled the naysayers on Moeaki and im doing it again right here. Another great pick for a KC draft class that is turning out to be one of the best in the entire draft.


If he says stupid shit like the comments about hippies and how they aren't going anywhere and doing anything then follows it up with the fact that he didn't vote, then he's not a PR dream. He came off as a moron in that clip.

TRR
04-30-2011, 04:42 PM
If he says stupid shit like the comments about hippies and how they aren't going anywhere and doing anything then follows it up with the fact that he didn't vote, then he's not a PR dream. He came off as a moron in that clip.

Stanzi has been known to do that stuff. He likes to talk about his "born in America" tattoo a lot, and seems to speak with an agenda.

He's a good guy all and all. A good locker room guy, and a likeable guy. A good backup that will hopefully develop.
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Chiefnj2
04-30-2011, 04:44 PM
Stanzi's a great pick for where he was chosen. You can't ask for more from a QB in terms of value where he was chosen.

PGM
04-30-2011, 04:55 PM
I like this Ricky Stanzi

Otter
04-30-2011, 05:01 PM
I LOVE this pick. Don't know anything more than what I read about the guy but developing a QB is ****ing aces in my book.

We're on the right track bitches!

suzzer99
04-30-2011, 05:04 PM
O/U on # of games until CP starts calling to put in Stanzi? 1.5?

Bowser
04-30-2011, 05:05 PM
O/U on # of games until CP starts calling to put in Stanzi? 1.5?

Shit. Training camp.

BossChief
04-30-2011, 05:06 PM
Stoked about the value.

We got us a good backup and a guy that has a chance to develop into a good player.

I wonder what vet we sign now that has experience in the system

Dave Lane
04-30-2011, 05:10 PM
http://fantasyfootballmetrics.com/Pl..._2-23-2011.htm

NFL DRAFT 2011 - QB
By R.C. Fischer

NFL Draft 2011: Statistical Analysis of Ricky Stanzi, the Best QB in the 2011 NFL Draft and/or the next Tom Brady?

*An on-going series of putting college QBs in our mathematical analysis. We don’t have all the needed data until the 2011 NFL Combine results, but we can assume some of it (for now) and we have all the game performance/statistics.

See this link for details on the College QB rating system -- Predicting the Unpredictable…Projecting a College QB to the NFL with a Mathematical Formula

Ricky Stanzi, Iowa - NFL Draft 2011

I know you are going to find this completely insane...

New readers, I may have already lost you with the title...but bear with me on this. At worst, this will just be an interesting read and something you will say "no way" to. At best, this will be a tremendous call and huge validation for our mathematical model's ability to project college QBs to the NFL. (I also have a few years to hide from it potentially too!)

I have to confess I did not watch many Iowa Hawkeye football games this season. As the college QBs start their journey to the NFL, I get more interested for the Fantasy Football aspect. This season, I was aware of the usual "big names" -- Newton, Locker, Gabbert, Mallett and had been intrigued by Andy Dalton...but I have to say when I saw Ricky Stanzi's name on a list -- I wondered, "how did he make it in the QBs list for the 2011 NFL Draft"? Don't ask me why I had that reaction, I just know I did. Big-10 bias (against), maybe? Flashbacks to Chuck Long, perhaps? Whatever the reason, I just had an irrational gut reaction. Which is why I love what I do, I try to eliminate the emotional and just rely on the data. Not knowing Stanzi, I was curious as how the analysis would turn out.

As I input the key game/tougher opponent game data for Ricky Stanzi into our algorithm for analyzing college QBs, I just kept saying "that's pretty good" after each game entered...and it just kept rolling. Before I went to take a look at Stanzi's overall total score in our system I thought, "this could be pretty good". When I did finally look at the overall rating, it wasn't good -- it was great. It was college-to-NFL projected "elite". High up on the list wedged in-between Carson Palmer and Mark Sanchez, and slightly above Philip Rivers and Aaron Rodgers. I had to go back check a 2nd and 3rd time to see if I had made an error. No error...

Can Ricky Stanzi really be a future elite NFL QB? Can he really be the # 1 overall best QB (according to our system right now)? Right now he is for us. A lot of this potential stardom projection is riding on his Wonderlic scores from the NFL Combine, a bad score can tumble Stanzi right out of great and into maybe good or mediocre. Assuming an average/good Wonderlic score, Ricky Stanzi is the hidden gem QB of 2011.

What about Stanzi makes him pop in our system?

NO Red-flags in our system!

We found multiple things that future NFL elite QB's had in common in college. Subsequently, we found things future NFL bust/weak QB's had in common as well -- we called them, simply, "red-flag metrics". Some red-flags for the QBs are historical killers (90%+ probable), such as -- QB's with low Wonderlic scores, "short" (in height) QB's, high or low ratios on key advanced metrics we have on various passing stats. Just one red-flag is one foot in the grave for their future NFL elite prospects, 2 red-flags is almost an assured question mark on even being good in the NFL, 3+ red-flags is almost guaranteed a bust in our system (3+ red-flag QB examples in our system = Ryan Leaf, Tim Tebow, Chad Henne, Max Hall, Rex Grossman, Derek Anderson and Tavaris Jackson...among others. Jay Cutler is the probably the best NFL QB with 3+ red-flags in our system).

No red-flags is just not avoiding trouble, it is several key metrics that when we look back at history -- the QBs with particular red-flags in our system were not as good as hyped and/or "busted" from lofty expectations. Perhaps a list of current QBs in our mathematical system that have NO red-flags, will impress you on the fact that Ricky Stanzi could be special.

The 14 QBs with no red-flags of 60+ studied in the last decade (and a few outside of the last decade) *in alphabetical order:

Bradford, Sam
Brady, Tom
Elway, John (sketchy, we have yet to be able fully break him down due to some missing data...but of what we have, he has none)
Flacco, Joe
Kolb, Kevin
Leftwich, Byron
Luck, Andrew
Manning, Peyton
Palmer, Carson
Pike, Tony (may not belong here, we have a sketchy Wonderlic data point we have assumed neutral until we know...but if bad, he would fall off list)
Pennington, Chad
Rodgers, Aaron
Roethlisberger, Ben
Sanchez, Mark
14 QBs with no red-flags. Take away Andrew Luck because he is not even draft eligible. Take away John Elway and Tony Pike, because of some possible data question marks on our end and we have 11 QB's who have played in the NFL -- with 9 of the 11 (82%) as good, great and good/potentially great on this list. The 2 misses in our system so far are (1) Byron Leftwich is not elite, maybe not even good. (2) Kevin Kolb is incomplete (however, I think he will ultimately be star of this magnitude...those of you that have been with the site awhile know my Kolb love affair). If Kolb hits, then our NO red-flag indicator for future success would be up to a 91% accuracy of predicting NFL good/greatness.

It's a laundry list of mostly impressive QBs. Now add to that list Ricky Stanzi, the only 2011 QB prospect with no red-flags in our system currently. (Andrew Luck would have been too). I'm as shocked as you are...Ricky Stanzi, really?



Great against better competition

Stanzi had 3 major tests in conference in 2010, a Big-10 Conference in which Stanzi has started for 3 seasons...and these teams have a book on him. Facing Wisconsin (11-2), Michigan State (11-2) and Ohio State (12-1), Stanzi put up the following stats:

7 Passing TDs and NO Interceptions

The elite QBs of the NFL threw for between 15-19 Pass Attempts per Passing TD in "key" games, and some QBs hit as low (good) as 10-12 Pass Attempts per Passing TD. Stanzi averaged a very low (good) 11.9 Passing TDs per Pass Attempts in these 3 big matchups

Besides a stellar/perfect NO interceptions in these big 3 games, Stanzi hit on a 67.4% Completion Percentage as well

Iowa/Stanzi played the Arizona Wildcats this season, coached by defensive guru Mike Stoops. Stoops/Arizona only allowed two QBs to throw for 3+ TDs in a game against them this season -- not Andrew Luck (he had 2), but it was Oregon's Darron Thomas and yes...Ricky Stanzi.



Better than Gabbert in the 2010 Bowl Game vs. Missouri?

This may be crazy talk too, but hang with me...

Stanzi statistically bombed in one game in 2010 -- the Insight Bowl Game matchup against Missouri. Stanzi had no TDs and 2 INTs. Stanzi's only 2 INT game of the season. In that game Blaine Gabbert had 434 yards passing and won the hearts of everyone who just watched the game from a stat tally perspective. But was Gabbert really the better QB that day?

434 yards for Gabbert is awesome, but it was on 57 Pass Attempts. Stanzi only had 21 pass attempts in this game, in part because Iowa RB Marcus Coker had 33 carries for 219 yards. Why pass if you can run all over Mizzu, and win (which Iowa did)? Looking at the passing productivity by breaking it down to the view from the per passing attempts...a quick look at Gabbert vs. Stanzi in the Bowl Game from a different perspective:

Yards per Pass Attempt = 7.6 for Gabbert, 9.5 for Stanzi

Yards per Completion = 10.6 for Gabbert, 18.2 for Stanzi

If both QBs equally had 35 pass attempts at their above pace, Gabbert would have thrown for 266 yards to Stanzi's 332.

Not to say Stanzi had a great game...because it was his worst game of 2010. It's to point out that looking only at the totals -- Stanzi vs. Gabbert total stats in this game would have made Stanzi forgettable and Gabbert brilliant, but it really had to do more with Pass Attempt totals. Stanzi wasn't as bad as it seemed, and Gabbert wasn't near as impressive as his 434 yards would show. Gabbert also threw 2 INTs as well in this game (like Stanzi), and 1 TD.



Ricky Stanzi as the next Tom Brady?

Blasphemy I know...

Please keep in mind, I have no loyalty to the University of Iowa. I had seen Ricky Stanzi play a little before I started this research. Of what I remember, I didn't really remember anything great (or bad). Stanzi never registered anything in my mind. This statement comparing him to Brady is just as crazy to me as it is to you. However, I am now suddenly very intrigued (and hand-cuffed) to Ricky Stanzi with this statement.

When I went into to see why Stanzi was so good in our ratings, it wasn't just one good thing (it never is to achieve the scores the future elites ultimately did). It's just that Stanzi is well above average in every metric we judge, with no red-flags or outliers. His numbers parallel nicely against the best of today's NFL QBs data in college. When I started filtering Stanzi's metrics in our system and considered similar QBs around his height and weight...out popped Tom Brady. What is eerie and cheesy about that is, when I started researching Stanzi more because of the high score that popped up in our system analysis -- I went and watched some game tape and when I looked at him I exclaimed, "he looks just like Tom Brady". Tall, thin, accurate, steady. When I then filtered our college QB database of metrics and Brady was sitting there as a best match, I was amazed and felt weird at the same time. It's cliché' to say "the next Tom Brady", but the numbers are saying -- Ricky Stanzi might be the next Tom Brady.

A few key metrics on Brady & Stanzi below:

"Adj" means just key games/better competition -- weighted for strength of opponent

"per 35 att" numbers are the key games, weighted for strength of opponent and then translated into an average as if every QB had an equal 35 Pass Attempts per game all the time, and thus what would each QB produce if they had 35 passes per game based on the key games their final college season.

QB Yr College H W adj Comp Pct Adj Yds per Comp adj Pass Att per TD adj Pass Att Per INT Yds per game 35 Att TDs per game 35 Att INTs per game 35 Att
Brady, Tom 1999 Michigan 76.3 211 64.6% 11.8 15.0 37.9 266.3 2.3 0.9
Stanzi, Ricky 2010 Iowa 76.1 221 63.6% 12.5 15.5 57.7 277.6 2.3 0.6
A respected scouting report on Brady in 2000 pre-draft (found on a Google search) = "Poor build, very skinny and narrow, lacks mobility and the ability to avoid the rush, lacks a strong arm."

A scouting report I just read on Stanzi = "Average arm, nothing spectacular about his throws...Not a great runner...Limited ceiling because of his average physical talents..."



Ricky Stanzi Overall Score = 1.012

*see historical rating chart on link to original study = Predicting the Unpredictable…Projecting a College QB to the NFL with a Mathematical Formula

As I re-examine the numbers, another thing that is rare on Stanzi is -- that as we refine the numbers to looking at just the better opponents, then adding in a weighted system to the most difficult opponents -- that is where Stanzi's passing metrics actually increase. Where most all other QBs in our mathematical system tail off a little (understandably with facing the toughest competition) as we "weight" the stats for opponents difficulty...Stanzi actually improves his performance against the better competition.

All this is great for Ricky Stanzi now, but we're still assuming some data. If Stanzi bombs or underperforms the Wonderlic...no more Tom Brady comparisons, and down he will fall from possible elite to possible just mediocre/good. If Stanzi scores well on the Wonderlic don't be shocked if Stanzi starts moving from a current potential 4-5th Round pick to a 2nd-3rd Round pick...and then don't be shocked if he actually becomes a first round actual selection...you heard it here first (again, unless he bombs the Wonderlic). If Stanzi doesn't work his way into the 1st Round -- I'll bet a "smart" team snags Stanzi (like a NE, PIT, PHI, SD, etc) in the 2nd-3rd Round.
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BWillie
04-30-2011, 05:16 PM
If he says stupid shit like the comments about hippies and how they aren't going anywhere and doing anything then follows it up with the fact that he didn't vote, then he's not a PR dream. He came off as a moron in that clip.

Stanzi is a great fit for kc, he has alot in common with a large part of our fan base. Like Stanzi and Cartman, I also hate hippies.

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Phobia
04-30-2011, 05:26 PM
Is he ready to play in the NFL? Probably not but he has the tools. I'm hopeful he can develop. He made some frustrating decisions at times in Iowa games but he made some big plays too. As long as he's not thrown into the fire, and he won't be, he'll be a fine devopmental prospect for the Chiefs.

I follow Iowa and have seen probably 30 of Stanzi's starts. He's grown significantly. He'll be okay. It's time for KC to develop a QB and this guy is our best chance of that for the immediate future.

PGM
04-30-2011, 05:27 PM
I just got a semi reading that article about Stanzi.

ReynardMuldrake
04-30-2011, 05:37 PM
http://fantasyfootballmetrics.com/Pl..._2-23-2011.htm

NFL DRAFT 2011 - QB
By R.C. Fischer

NFL Draft 2011: Statistical Analysis of Ricky Stanzi, the Best QB in the 2011 NFL Draft and/or the next Tom Brady?



Broken link. Here is the correct one:

http://fantasyfootballmetrics.com/Player_News/Content/NFL-Draft_2011_Stanzi_2-23-2011.htm

NewChief
04-30-2011, 05:40 PM
Stanzi is a great fit for kc, he has alot in common with a large part of our fan base. Like Stanzi and Cartman, I also hate hippies.

That's great and all, but I don't think an organization wants Glen Beck at the QB position.

eazyb81
04-30-2011, 05:42 PM
Hard to not get giddy after reading that article Dave posted.

On a pure value basis, Stanzi was probably the best pick of our draft.

LaChapelle
04-30-2011, 06:09 PM
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vailpass
04-30-2011, 06:13 PM
I've watched Stanzi his entire career and met him several times in IC. A nice guy.....however....

Not sold on his QB ability in the least bit. IA fans were sold on him early in his career, but lost faith in him late with his INT issues (Jr year) and mental lapses in his senior season. He's probably the most streaky QB I've ever watched in my life. Extremely hot and cold.

I don't project Stanzi as a starting QB ever, but a decent backup. Think a stronger Brodie Croyle without as good of collegiate career.
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Truth. I've sat at games and watched Ricky do some very good things but we were always waiting for him to **** one up.
Great kid, I wish him the best and hope he tears it up. Great to see a Hawk QB in the league, hope he does better than the last one (Long).

Phobia
04-30-2011, 06:15 PM
Here's some perspective on my thoughts - I followed Chuck Long's career closely at Iowa. He finished 2nd in Heisman voting to Bo Jackson in the closest Heisman race in the history of the trophy. He was a first round pick of the Lions. He played on some awful Lions squads and eventually fell to 3rd string behind Andre Ware/Rodney Peete.

I have much higher NFL expectations of Stanzi than I ever had of Long despite the accolades and achievements of Long's Iowa teams. This is coming from a long-time Iowa fan who should have by rights been a huge optimist on behalf of Chuck Long. I guess my poorly-made point is that my amateur scouting scores Stanzi higher than Long which probably bodes pretty well for Stanzi if you buy into amateur scouting reports from idiots on a message board.

Phobia
04-30-2011, 06:20 PM
Great to see a Hawk QB in the league, hope he does better than the last one (Long).

The Hawks put several QB's in the NFL in the early 90's.

vailpass
04-30-2011, 06:24 PM
The Hawks put several QB's in the NFL in the early 90's.

Only one I can think of is Matt Rodgers. Were there others? Vlasic?

vailpass
04-30-2011, 06:27 PM
The CR Gazette describes the Hawk QB situation pretty well...

No National Football League quarterback of impact ever played that position at the University of Iowa.

Thirty-eight former Hawkeyes were in NFL training camps last summer and almost all of them spent the 2010 season in the league. None were quarterbacks.

No quarterback who finished his college career at Iowa has been an NFL draftee since Matt Rodgers in 1992, and he went in the 12th round. Drew Tate was Iowa’s starting quarterback from 2004 through 2006, is a backup quarterback in the Canadian Football League.

Kurt Warner of Cedar Rapids threw more touchdown passes in his first year as an NFL starter as all ex-Iowa quarterbacks did in their entire NFL careers. Combined.

So while Ricky Stanzi won’t be the first Iowa player taken in the 2011 draft, and his name certainly won’t be called Thursday night when only the first round is selected, his is the most interesting Hawkeye story this week.

No matter when Stanzi is drafted, the question will be if he is taken by a team that will have a logical scenario for one day having him as its starting QB. The ideal situation would seem to be a club with a proven veteran at that position, giving Stanzi two or three years to hone his pro skills and be equipped to start when the chance comes down the road.

It’s been floated by a few guessers that Stanzi might get grabbed by the New England Patriots, say with the 92nd pick of the draft in Round 3. That would give Stanzi ample time to learn from Tom Brady, (who turns 34 in August) before Brady rides off to do whatever retired matinee-idols married to supermodels do.

We’ll see. Things seldom go as expected after the first five or six picks of the draft.

But let’s backtrack to the paucity of Hawkeye quarterbacks in the NFL. This hasn’t been just a Kirk Ferentz-era thing, though Stanzi will be the first Iowa quarterback to get drafted in Ferentz’s 12 years as head coach. Even 2002 Heisman Trophy runner-up Brad Banks didn’t get taken by anyone.

The player who was the quarterback in Iowa’s only two Rose Bowl wins was the first pick in the NFL draft. College Football Hall of Famer Randy Duncan, a Heisman runner-up himself, was picked at the start of the 1959 draft by the Green Bay Packers. But he didn’t sign with them. He spent two years in the CFL and one with the AFL’s Dallas Texans before leaving the sport to begin a career of over 45 years as an attorney in Des Moines.

“Being the No. 1 draft choice in the league wasn’t what it was now,” Duncan told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel in 2009. “So basically it came down to money. I got more to play in Canada.”

Four of Hayden Fry’s Iowa quarterbacks were drafted. Two of them, first-round pick Chuck Long and Mark Vlasic, played in the league. They threw 19 and 4 TD passes in the NFL, respectively.

Jim Youel of Vinton threw for seven NFL scores (and intercepted two passes as a defensive back) from 1946 to 1948. Jerry Niles threw a TD pass in his one season with the New York Giants, in 1947.

That’s it, 31 NFL touchdown passes from all the quarterbacks who finished their college careers at Iowa. Warner had 31 TD tosses in his NFL postseason career, 208 in the regular-season. Bragging rights, Northern Iowa.

Former Hawkeye Rudy Bukich did have 61 NFL touchdown throws from 1953 to 1968. He came to Iowa from his St. Louis home as a wingback, then transferred to USC and switched to quarterback. He was the winning quarterback when USC won the 1953 Rose Bowl, then had his long pro career. He also played a gladiator in 1960 movie epic “Spartacus.”

For a half-century, Iowa high school graduates have said “But look at Rudy Bukich” when they told their parents they needed to move to the West Coast to live more fulfilling and prosperous lives.

The burden to change that is now upon Stanzi. Former University of Iowa students have become great scientists and physicians, winners of Academy Awards and Pulitzer Prizes, leaders and trailblazers.

Is it too much to ask for one prominent NFL quarterback?

http://thegazette.com/2011/04/27/hlas-column-hawkeyes-are-all-over-the-nfl-except-at-one-position-quarterback/

scott free
04-30-2011, 06:32 PM
'smart, hardworking and passionate about the game...'

Thats 3/4 of the battle at QB, i'm looking forward to scrounging around for Stanzi highlights.

aturnis
04-30-2011, 06:34 PM
Officially adopted. Back off bitches!

Douche Baggins
04-30-2011, 06:34 PM
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vailpass
04-30-2011, 06:37 PM
'smart, hardworking and passionate about the game...'

Thats 3/4 of the battle at QB, i'm looking forward to scrounging around for Stanzi highlights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x2UUWgv1NQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p9xT-7-UkU&feature=related

scott free
04-30-2011, 06:41 PM
Molest me.
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LMAO

scott free
04-30-2011, 06:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x2UUWgv1NQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p9xT-7-UkU&feature=related

Thanx dude.

I only needed about 1 minute into the first clip to know that he has 3x the arm as Cassel.

STANZI FOR PREZ!

vailpass
04-30-2011, 06:43 PM
Thanx dude.

de nada. I'm sure the experts here can provide many more and probably better, those are just two that I like. Stanzi is a good kid.

jspchief
04-30-2011, 06:47 PM
Another Hawkeye fan chiming in...

Stanzi has the physical tools. IMO what he lacks is composure. The thing I always noticed about him was he was over-amped at the start of games. It would take him a qtr to calm down and stop missing open guys. Once he hit his groove though, he was pretty good. Can make reads and make all the throws.

People talk about his decision making. When things would get hairy, the deep ball was his answer. That makes for some huge plays, and some stupid ones. I think the gunslinger reference is about right. He's not afraid to try and make a team pay. It just doesn't always work out.

You wouldn't have caught me saying "I hope we draft Stanzi", but I think it's a good pick for the 5th round. I think he has the tools to last in the NFL, just don't know if he can develop into a starter.

Phobia
04-30-2011, 07:05 PM
Only one I can think of is Matt Rodgers. Were there others? Vlasic?

Yeah, Vlasic was the most successful of the entire group I'd say but Hartlieb was the only other one I recall. Thought Brad Banks spent some time on an NFL squad too.

BossChief
04-30-2011, 07:06 PM
KEEP FUCKING DOUBTING RICKY STANZI!

Phobia
04-30-2011, 07:09 PM
You wouldn't have caught me saying "I hope we draft Stanzi", but I think it's a good pick for the 5th round. I think he has the tools to last in the NFL, just don't know if he can develop into a starter.
Exactly how I feel. He's a 5th rounder. If he busts, who cares? If he carries a clipboard and is an asset in the film room and on the sideline his whole career, who cares? If he turns into a stud starter for the Chiefs it won't quite be the Tom Brady story but still; who cares?

He's a project with tons of potential. I'm pulling for him.

Hoover
04-30-2011, 07:16 PM
Its especially good since we got him because Detroit got caught tampering.

mikey23545
04-30-2011, 07:25 PM
If he says stupid shit like the comments about hippies and how they aren't going anywhere and doing anything then follows it up with the fact that he didn't vote, then he's not a PR dream. He came off as a moron in that clip.

Aww, is the little liberal hippie all butthurt over that?

Try getting a haircut, taking a shower, and see if you feel any better about yourself, assmunch.

Ebolapox
04-30-2011, 09:32 PM
As much as I hate Cassel I'm not sold he didn't make a good move there. Detroit wanted Stafford, and it's pretty clear the Jets wanted Sanchez. With everyone trying to move out of the top of that draft I'm not sure we would have landed Sanchez anyway.....

Hard to believe we win 2 freaking games and end up with the 3rd pick that year. Terrible. :banghead:

except we had the THIRD FUCKING PICK IN THE GODDAMNED DRAFT. if we FUCKING WANTED SANCHEZ, HE'D FUCKING BE OURS FOR FUCK'S SAKE. :banghead:

Ebolapox
04-30-2011, 09:36 PM
http://fantasyfootballmetrics.com/Pl..._2-23-2011.htm

NFL DRAFT 2011 - QB
By R.C. Fischer
...

interesting statistical analysis, but ironic b/c of the guy's name. one of the founders of population genetics and modern statistics was named R.A. Fisher. I found that interesting, though no obvious connection.

Marcellus
04-30-2011, 09:38 PM
except we had the THIRD ****ING PICK IN THE GODDAMNED DRAFT. if we ****ING WANTED SANCHEZ, HE'D ****ING BE OURS FOR ****'S SAKE. :banghead:

Beating your head against a wall about Sanchez is well, dumb. He is Cassel but younger.

We got lucky we didn't spend a #3 on him. Wait and see.

Bewbies
04-30-2011, 09:51 PM
except we had the THIRD ****ING PICK IN THE GODDAMNED DRAFT. if we ****ING WANTED SANCHEZ, HE'D ****ING BE OURS FOR ****'S SAKE. :banghead:

No, the Jets would have traded with the Rams, they didn't want to pick there either if you recall. LMAO

kysirsoze
04-30-2011, 09:53 PM
Only one I can think of is Matt Rodgers. Were there others? Vlasic?

They said on NFLN Vlasic was the last one to start in the NFL.

kysirsoze
04-30-2011, 09:56 PM
Aww, is the little liberal hippie all butthurt over that?

Try getting a haircut, taking a shower, and see if you feel any better about yourself, assmunch.

I have short hair and I thought he came off as a moron as well. Suggestions?

BryanBusby
04-30-2011, 10:04 PM
When I originally saw people mocking him to the Chiefs around the 3rd round, I was pretty meh about it. Now that I know they got him with their 2nd 5th rounder, I am cool with the selection.

Chiefshrink
04-30-2011, 10:08 PM
Exactly how I feel. He's a 5th rounder. If he busts, who cares? If he carries a clipboard and is an asset in the film room and on the sideline his whole career, who cares? If he turns into a stud starter for the Chiefs it won't quite be the Tom Brady story but still; who cares?

He's a project with tons of potential. I'm pulling for him.

Precisely:thumb:

And let's just say that Cassel just got alot more focused on being more consistently successful on the field.

Competition is always good:thumb:

vailpass
04-30-2011, 10:37 PM
I have short hair and I thought he came off as a moron as well. Suggestions?

You live in California? Well there you have it.

suzzer99
04-30-2011, 11:00 PM
You live in California? Well there you have it.

You are either the stupidest person or he most aggresive troll on this forum.

Chiefs Pantalones
05-01-2011, 12:45 AM
At what point this season will Stanzi take over for Cassel? Love the pick. I like watching his highlight films.

L.A. Chieffan
05-01-2011, 12:46 AM
I hate to break it to you guys but stanzi sucks

Bewbies
05-01-2011, 12:48 AM
You are either the stupidest person or he most aggresive troll on this forum.

LMAO

You know when you're in a group and you can't figure out who the idiot is?

HotRoute
05-02-2011, 01:50 PM
I hate to break it to you guys but stanzi sucks

Comparing him to Brady is very dangerous....

HotRoute
05-02-2011, 02:01 PM
Exactly how I feel. He's a 5th rounder. If he busts, who cares? If he carries a clipboard and is an asset in the film room and on the sideline his whole career, who cares? If he turns into a stud starter for the Chiefs it won't quite be the Tom Brady story but still; who cares?

He's a project with tons of potential. I'm pulling for him.

Me Too, I think having Croyle as our main backup proved to be a liability last year. As we all saw in the 2nd SD game he started in

Cave Johnson
05-02-2011, 02:07 PM
You are either the stupidest person or he most aggresive troll on this forum.

Can't he be both?

vailpass
05-02-2011, 07:10 PM
You are either the stupidest person or he most aggresive troll on this forum.

n00b says what? I'll have to give your mother a few extra butt lashes tonight for your insolence. Oh, I wouldn't bump into her curtains for a day or two, give them time to dry off.

Extra Point
05-02-2011, 10:15 PM
Ricky Fucking Stanzi!!!!!1111

Simply Red
05-02-2011, 11:14 PM
Todd McShay licked that kids taint on NFL Draft coverage, err. whatever ESPN's lil' draft hour/spotlight show is called.

aturnis
05-02-2011, 11:43 PM
Wish you could find a clip of that Red.

Simply Red
05-03-2011, 12:14 AM
Wish you could find a clip of that Red.

He'd indicated how good of a value he was, and then went on to say he could compete for the starting posi. w/in the next two/three yrs. Or something of the sort. I checked out some of his throws. Seems like his passes takes a while to reach their destination. I wonder about his arm-strength, and honestly I could be dead wrong, but from what I saw, he seemed sort of weak. I hope I saw wrong.

suzzer99
05-03-2011, 02:00 AM
Can't he be both?

It takes a certain amount of intelligence to be a good troll. I'm actually leaning toward that one, which I guess is a compliment.

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-05-2011, 01:45 PM
In hindsight the big miss was Freeman, but I don't think too many people saw him developing this quickly.

This.

Stoked about the value.

We got us a good backup and a guy that has a chance to develop into a good player.

I wonder what vet we sign now that has experience in the system

The value is practically unquestionable as it relates current depth and "talent".

except we had the THIRD FUCKING PICK IN THE GODDAMNED DRAFT. if we FUCKING WANTED SANCHEZ, HE'D FUCKING BE OURS FOR FUCK'S SAKE. :banghead:

Let's just forgo the game itself against NYJ this season and have a cage-match to the death at the 50 between Sirs "Born for the Job" and "Depends Active".

Rooster
05-05-2011, 02:06 PM
I hate to break it to you guys but stanzi sucks

:#:#