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Comanche
05-04-2011, 08:47 AM
I'm just saying. . .

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/05/congress-to-examine-inappropriate-and-devastating-use-of-geronimo-codename-in-bin-laden-mission.html

alpha_omega
05-04-2011, 08:53 AM
Didn't even know that was the codename until i read it here.

tooge
05-04-2011, 08:55 AM
I'm just saying. . .

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/05/congress-to-examine-inappropriate-and-devastating-use-of-geronimo-codename-in-bin-laden-mission.html

Oh sheesh. Give it a rest. I'd be proud to have the name of one of my forefathers picked as the name of the mission to rid the world of a terroritst. It was heroic men completing a heroic task named after a heroic warrior and leader. That is all. Native Americans should be proud of this.

Bowser
05-04-2011, 08:58 AM
Sounds like a completely attention whorish move to pull. I sincerely doubt anyone was trying to dirty the name of anyone or the groups they belong to.

ROYC75
05-04-2011, 09:01 AM
Sounds like a completely attention whorish move to pull. I sincerely doubt anyone was trying to dirty the name of anyone or the groups they belong to.

This but as you know, every dog has it's day, it just happens to be this one's turn.

Iowanian
05-04-2011, 09:02 AM
Wah.

Geronimo was an outlaw the govt spent years chasing....just like this asshole.

Get over it, and start paying taxes on your casino income.

mlyonsd
05-04-2011, 09:04 AM
Yeah I didn't appreciate that either. When I first heard it I turned to the wife and said they should have come up with a different name.

Huffmeister
05-04-2011, 09:08 AM
And the crazy thing is that 'Geronimo' didn't refer to OBL himself, it referred to the entire mission. They're upset because 'Geronimo' was 'linked' to OBL, regardless of the connotation. They might as well be upset if Apache helicopters were used (of course, they probably are upset).

ROYC75
05-04-2011, 09:09 AM
And the crazy thing is that 'Geronimo' didn't refer to OBL himself, it referred to the entire mission. They're upset because 'Geronimo' was 'linked' to OBL, regardless of the connotation. They might as well be upset if Apache helicopters were used (of course, they probably are upset).

Oh hush you before they catch up on that one too.

jiveturkey
05-04-2011, 09:26 AM
OLB apparently bought a lot of Pepsi too.

Just sayin'

Bob Dole
05-04-2011, 09:29 AM
Oh sheesh. Give it a rest. I'd be proud to have the name of one of my forefathers picked as the name of the mission to rid the world of a terroritst.

Gomer just doesn't have a nice ring to it.

Graystoke
05-04-2011, 09:29 AM
That's just "Crazy Horse" Talk

mlyonsd
05-04-2011, 09:31 AM
Elway or Davis would have been better.

RedNeckRaider
05-04-2011, 09:31 AM
For the life of me I cannot fathom how anyone could look me in the eye and say they are offended by this with a straight face~

oldandslow
05-04-2011, 09:34 AM
Wah.

Geronimo was an outlaw the govt spent years chasing....just like this asshole.

Get over it, and start paying taxes on your casino income.

Code name doesn't bother me....

but this post is a bit over the top...

Let's see...Apaches owned the land...white settlers came and tried to take it...Apaches fight back...Apaches are the outlaws...

Gotcha.

Keep your treaties and we'll begin to pay taxes to our own govt....Begin with the Fort Laramie treaty

58-4ever
05-04-2011, 09:39 AM
Code name doesn't bother me....

but this post is a bit over the top...

Let's see...Apaches owned the land...white settlers came and tried to take it...Apaches fight back...Apaches are the outlaws...

Gotcha.

Keep your treaties and we'll begin to pay taxes to our own govt....Begin with the Fort Laramie treaty

Your own govt? Please explain...

RedNeckRaider
05-04-2011, 09:41 AM
Code name doesn't bother me.... Let's see...Apaches owned the land...white settlers came and tried to take it...Apaches fight back...Apaches are the outlaws...

Gotcha.

I have to agree that comparing Geronimo to OBL is rather asinine~

Royal Fanatic
05-04-2011, 09:41 AM
I've always been annoyed by the pressure some Native American groups put on sports teams to change their names because they've decided to be offended by them. This is more of that same tired old bullshit.

It IS attention-whorish.

Chief Henry
05-04-2011, 10:37 AM
Wah.

Geronimo was an outlaw the govt spent years chasing....just like this asshole.

Get over it, and start paying taxes on your casino income.




LMAO

Iowanian
05-04-2011, 11:34 AM
Code name doesn't bother me....

but this post is a bit over the top...

Let's see...Apaches owned the land...white settlers came and tried to take it...Apaches fight back...Apaches are the outlaws...

Gotcha.

Keep your treaties and we'll begin to pay taxes to our own govt....Begin with the Fort Laramie treaty

Assimilate, Long hair.

Stop accepting American welfare if you're a sovereign nation.
Settlers didn't TRY to take the land.....they did and kept it.

how despicable are these commandos for riding into battle in a Blackhawk. Damn racists!

vailpass
05-04-2011, 11:36 AM
Code name doesn't bother me....

but this post is a bit over the top...

Let's see...Apaches owned the land...white settlers came and tried to take it...Apaches fight back...Apaches are the outlaws...

Gotcha.

Keep your treaties and we'll begin to pay taxes to our own govt....Begin with the Fort Laramie treaty

You don't like it? You should have fought harder.

Iowanian
05-04-2011, 11:41 AM
It sounds like we should anticipate the Indian nations to lobby strongly against illegal immigration this election. We agree on that.


Geronimo encouraged and led raids in Mexican and US territories. He participated in and encouraged targeting of women and children. The govt spent years chasing him down to eliminate him as a threat.



I think it's a perfectly appropriate code name in this circumstance.

RedNeckRaider
05-04-2011, 12:29 PM
It sounds like we should anticipate the Indian nations to lobby strongly against illegal immigration this election. We agree on that.


Geronimo encouraged and led raids in Mexican and US territories. He participated in and encouraged targeting of women and children. The govt spent years chasing him down to eliminate him as a threat.



I think it's a perfectly appropriate code name in this circumstance.

And there was no targeting of women and children from the other side? I would rather not engage too heavily in this debate. That said every atrocity committed by Geronimo was certainly matched by the US government. There is no high ground to be had in this discussion IMO~

vailpass
05-04-2011, 12:34 PM
Any time the Western way of war can be unleashed on an enemy stupid enough to enter its arena, victory is assured.
Victor Davis Hanson

BucEyedPea
05-04-2011, 12:40 PM
How bout Operation Che Guevara? He was shot and killed by the CIA on a special mission.

Iowanian
05-04-2011, 01:02 PM
And there was no targeting of women and children from the other side? I would rather not engage too heavily in this debate. That said every atrocity committed by Geronimo was certainly matched by the US government. There is no high ground to be had in this discussion IMO~

You're probably confusing me with someone who cares enough to debate that, and why those responses happened, and how Indian tribes treated each other in warfare.


The biggest difference is, I wouldn't be a whining bitch if they had called it "daniel boone"

vailpass
05-04-2011, 01:11 PM
They should have called it Ted Nugent.

RedNeckRaider
05-04-2011, 01:13 PM
You're probably confusing me with someone who cares enough to debate that, and why those responses happened, and how Indian tribes treated each other in warfare.


The biggest difference is, I wouldn't be a whining bitch if they had called it "daniel boone"

My first reply is in total agreement with how silly this is. I only commented on the comparison of Geronimo and Osama. I could give two shits in a bucket if someone named a team the Peckerwoods, Honkys, or Crackers. I would probably buy a jersey and think it was funny~

Rain Man
05-04-2011, 01:29 PM
The Americans go to battle with Apache and Blackhawk helicopters on tactical stuff, and hit you with Tomahawks from longer range. Does this mean that we'll have an Osama weapons system in the year 2150?

Iowanian
05-04-2011, 02:16 PM
They've got to call the outhouse barrels something....

orange
05-04-2011, 02:26 PM
The Americans go to battle with Apache and Blackhawk helicopters on tactical stuff, and hit you with Tomahawks from longer range. Does this mean that we'll have an Osama weapons system in the year 2150?

No need. Our aircraft have Been Laden for years and years.

http://swns.com/images/stories/typhoonlibya/typhoonlibya1.jpg

mikey23545
05-04-2011, 02:33 PM
Code name doesn't bother me....

but this post is a bit over the top...

Let's see...Apaches owned the land...white settlers came and tried to take it...Apaches fight back...Apaches are the outlaws...

Gotcha.

Keep your treaties and we'll begin to pay taxes to our own govt....Begin with the Fort Laramie treaty

I'm still waiting for Neanderthals like you to start demanding reparations from Homo Sapiens...

teedubya
05-04-2011, 02:39 PM
Wah.

Geronimo was an outlaw the govt spent years chasing....just like this asshole.

Get over it, and start paying taxes on your casino income.

IMO, the white men were the original terrorists.

He who wins the wars, writes the history books though. If I were a native American... and my rights were infringed upon... I'd fight like an Apache also.

mikey23545
05-04-2011, 02:41 PM
IMO, the white men were the original terrorists.

He who wins the wars, writes the history books though. If I were a native American... and my rights were infringed upon... I'd fight like an Apache also.

I'm still waiting for Neanderthals like you to start demanding reparations from Homo Sapiens...

.

vailpass
05-04-2011, 02:42 PM
IMO, the white men were the original terrorists.

He who wins the wars, writes the history books though. If I were a native American... and my rights were infringed upon... I'd fight like an Apache also.

GTFO

mikey23545
05-04-2011, 02:48 PM
And suddenly, this strange new thing called "history" is revealed to teedubya...

dirk digler
05-04-2011, 02:59 PM
IMO, the white men were the original terrorists.

He who wins the wars, writes the history books though. If I were a native American... and my rights were infringed upon... I'd fight like an Apache also.

I hear ya

oldandslow
05-04-2011, 06:10 PM
Assimilate, Long hair.

Stop accepting American welfare if you're a sovereign nation.
Settlers didn't TRY to take the land.....they did and kept it.

how despicable are these commandos for riding into battle in a Blackhawk. Damn racists!

I love how all you conservatives scream property rights until you want somebody else's property. Hypocrytic much?

I told you I didn't care about the code word. Or the words describing the helicopter.

I fought for this country in 68 and 69. Came home and couldn't get a job cause I was red. Yet, I never took one damn dime from the govt except for GI Bill to get through school. Finished up and been teaching your kids how to tell the difference between a skunk and raccoon ever since. Sad that so many of them wouldn't last a day in the wild.

For the record, had you Kept your damn promises indian folks wouldn't need your welfare.

Finally, you can go to straight to hell. I will never assimilate completely...nor do I want to.

Garcia Bronco
05-04-2011, 06:55 PM
IMO, the white men were the original terrorists.

He who wins the wars, writes the history books though. If I were a native American... and my rights were infringed upon... I'd fight like an Apache also.

How do you figure? My great grandfather in 1650 married a Native American. Had they not done that; I wouldn't be here. Was he a terrorist? He was white.

Iowanian
05-04-2011, 08:02 PM
Thank you, Ira Hayes.


I love how all you conservatives scream property rights until you want somebody else's property. Hypocrytic much?

I told you I didn't care about the code word. Or the words describing the helicopter.

I fought for this country in 68 and 69. Came home and couldn't get a job cause I was red. Yet, I never took one damn dime from the govt except for GI Bill to get through school. Finished up and been teaching your kids how to tell the difference between a skunk and raccoon ever since. Sad that so many of them wouldn't last a day in the wild.

For the record, had you Kept your damn promises indian folks wouldn't need your welfare.

Finally, you can go to straight to hell. I will never assimilate completely...nor do I want to.

TrebMaxx
05-04-2011, 08:59 PM
I'm still waiting for Neanderthals like you to start demanding reparations from Homo Sapiens...

We have a winner!

ForeverChiefs58
05-04-2011, 09:03 PM
How bout Operation Che Guevara? He was shot and killed by the CIA on a special mission.
Ernesto!
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/che-body.jpg

Otter
05-04-2011, 09:03 PM
Taxes
Death
Someone will find something to bitch about

TrebMaxx
05-04-2011, 09:05 PM
Ernesto!
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/che-body.jpg

Good day. Good day indeed.

Brock
05-04-2011, 09:18 PM
I love how all you conservatives scream property rights until you want somebody else's property. Hypocrytic much?

I told you I didn't care about the code word. Or the words describing the helicopter.

I fought for this country in 68 and 69. Came home and couldn't get a job cause I was red. Yet, I never took one damn dime from the govt except for GI Bill to get through school. Finished up and been teaching your kids how to tell the difference between a skunk and raccoon ever since. Sad that so many of them wouldn't last a day in the wild.

For the record, had you Kept your damn promises indian folks wouldn't need your welfare.

Finally, you can go to straight to hell. I will never assimilate completely...nor do I want to.

Probably bout time to get over it.

oldandslow
05-04-2011, 09:47 PM
Thank you, Ira Hayes.

No problem, Col Chivington. High quality folks like you are rare indeed.

booger
05-04-2011, 09:56 PM
fine, change it. But the only acceptable alternative is "shoot the dude in the funny hat who dances with goats."

Bewbies
05-04-2011, 09:59 PM
I'd like to thank the boomers for raising a generation of pussies.

Brock
05-04-2011, 10:09 PM
I'd like to thank the boomers for being a generation of pussies.

fyp

go bowe
05-04-2011, 10:13 PM
which fort laramie treaty?

the first or second (although they both suffered the same fate)?

The_Doctor10
05-05-2011, 01:18 AM
I don't know about anyone else, but I associated Operation Geronimo with jumping off a high dive and hoping you don't die... But then, I'm not an American, maybe I don't have the proper versing in American history.

SNR
05-05-2011, 01:38 AM
I'm still waiting for Neanderthals like you to start demanding reparations from Homo Sapiens...I love the way you try to come across as educated. I've been reading your posts for years, and I gotta say, you never disappoint.

mikey23545
05-05-2011, 03:53 AM
I love the way you try to come across as educated. I've been reading your posts for years, and I gotta say, you never disappoint.

Yeah, luckily all I have to do is keep retyping everything I see on the teleprompter and it makes me look like I know what I'm talking about.

Neat, huh?

Iowanian
05-05-2011, 06:42 AM
No problem, Col Chivington. High quality folks like you are rare indeed.

No problem, Squanto.


Maybe you should spend more time crying and using shit that happened 200 years ago as an excuse today. It's been proven to be an excellent path to success.


Indian pride often talks about how tough your people are, so maybe it's time to stop being butthurt all of the time.

If more Americans were "high quality people like me" we'd all be better off. There would sure be more getting done and less whining about shit that doesn't really matter.

ROYC75
05-05-2011, 08:10 AM
I don't know about anyone else, but I associated Operation Geronimo with jumping off a high dive and hoping you don't die... But then, I'm not an American, maybe I don't have the proper versing in American history.

Me thinks that was , Charge ! :shrug:


I mean, look if they had said Gung-Ho, would it have pissed off the Chinese or all the tramps of the world ? Or both ?

The Marine Corps ?

tooge
05-05-2011, 09:15 AM
They should have called it Ted Nugent.

Or Chuck Norris

Radar Chief
05-05-2011, 09:18 AM
Me thinks that was , Charge ! :shrug:


I mean, look if they had said Gung-Ho, would it have pissed off the Chinese or all the tramps of the world ? Or both ?

The Marine Corps ?

Setting the Record Straight About Native Languages: "Geronimo"

Q: Why do people shout 'Geronimo!' when they jump off something high or do something else dangerous? Was this an Apache battle cry, or a reference to something the historical Geronimo really did?

A: No, this common use of the name Geronimo comes from the US military during World War II. Paratroopers would shout "Geronimo!" as they jumped from their planes. Many of them claimed this was because the Apache chief himself bellowed this out as a war cry, and that he once evaded the US Army by leaping his horse off a cliff into a river near their air force base in Ft. Sill, Oklahoma. These are highly unlikely stories. Geronimo really did evade the US Army on many occasions and was well-known for daring feats, but all of them happened in Apache territory in Arizona, New Mexico, and Mexico. Geronimo was only sent to Oklahoma near the end of his life, as a prisoner of war, and did not do any fighting or escaping while he was there. Furthermore, "Geronimo" is what the Spanish called him (his own name was Goyathlay), so he would never have shouted it in battle or while performing acrobatics on horseback.

Like most military legends, this one probably has a less mysterious explanation. One veteran quoted in the Morris Dictionary of Word and Phrase Origins remembered it this way: "In the early days of the 82nd Airborne, the men used to go to the nearby movie in Lafayetteville. During the week scheduled for the division's initial jumps, they saw a movie named "Geronimo." Anyway, one guy hollered the name and one of those things no one can explain happened. The whole division took it up and from them it spread to the later-activated airborne forces." This lively online account of the same incident has more detail including the name of the private who started the tradition. The stories told by these veterans about a paratrooper's act of bravado inspired by a movie seem highly plausible in comparison to an untraceable legend about an Apache warrior shouting out the wrong name in the wrong state.

http://www.native-languages.org/iaq22.htm

Thig Lyfe
05-05-2011, 09:30 AM
White People: Telling oppressed minorities to "Get over it" since 1492

RedNeckRaider
05-05-2011, 09:36 AM
White People: Telling oppressed minorities to "Get over it" since 1492

LMAO

Brock
05-05-2011, 09:36 AM
White People: Telling oppressed minorities to "Get over it" since 1492

Who's being oppressed?

Iowanian
05-05-2011, 09:59 AM
White People: Telling oppressed minorities to "Get over it" since 1492


It's one of the historical benefits of #winning

Maybe it's time for a tigerblood transplant?

SNR
05-05-2011, 10:01 AM
Who's being oppressed?Ever been to an Indian reservation?

Brock
05-05-2011, 10:03 AM
Ever been to an Indian reservation?

I wasn't aware Indian reservations were prisons camps.

SNR
05-05-2011, 10:05 AM
I wasn't aware Indian reservations were prisons camps.But you agree the majority of them are in a pretty sorry state with crime and violence and poverty galore, yeah?

How do you think they got to be that way?

Brock
05-05-2011, 10:06 AM
But you agree the majority of them are in a pretty sorry state with crime and violence and poverty galore, yeah?

How do you think they got to be that way?

Let me guess, it's OUR fault.

vailpass
05-05-2011, 10:09 AM
I love how all you conservatives scream property rights until you want somebody else's property. Hypocrytic much?

I told you I didn't care about the code word. Or the words describing the helicopter.

I fought for this country in 68 and 69. Came home and couldn't get a job cause I was red. Yet, I never took one damn dime from the govt except for GI Bill to get through school. Finished up and been teaching your kids how to tell the difference between a skunk and raccoon ever since. Sad that so many of them wouldn't last a day in the wild.

For the record, had you Kept your damn promises indian folks wouldn't need your welfare.

Finally, you can go to straight to hell. I will never assimilate completely...nor do I want to.


Thank you for your service both to your country and to those you educate.

SNR
05-05-2011, 10:10 AM
Let me guess, it's OUR fault.No, it's not your fault. It's the American government's fault from 100 or more years ago.

Ever read Wretched Of The Earth by Franz Fanon? This country did the same thing to indians.

Thig Lyfe
05-05-2011, 10:10 AM
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vailpass
05-05-2011, 10:12 AM
Ever been to an Indian reservation?

Yes. What is your point?

Iowanian
05-05-2011, 10:12 AM
Ever been to an Indian reservation?

The one I'm most familiar with and drive through once in a while, there isn't a house older than 10 years of age. I also knew 2 young people from there who told me they are given $50k cash on their 18th birthday.


Sounds pretty rough.

It seems to me, the people most responsible for the state of repair, quality of life(crime, drugs et al) are the people who live there.

Furthermore, if it's a requirement to remain destitute in the mean streets of the non-taxed "self governed state" the Indians should take some initiative to fix that. If one is accustomed to such harsh conditions, I would hardly think that a nickname, of someone they never knew, who is likely from a tribe that would have murdered and scalped them over deer hunting rights, wouldn't be so sensitive.

Brock
05-05-2011, 10:13 AM
No, it's not your fault. It's the American government's fault from 100 or more years ago.

Ever read Wretched Of The Earth by Franz Fanon? This country did the same thing to indians.

100 years or more ago is plenty of time to get your shit together. Especially when the government will shovel money at you to help you do it. **** that. If they live in a junkyard, it's because they choose to do that. That's not oppression.

Iowanian
05-05-2011, 10:19 AM
No, it's not your fault. It's the American government's fault from 100 or more years ago.

Ever read Wretched Of The Earth by Franz Fanon? This country did the same thing to indians.


Just think how much you set back the life of that poor Indian person a few years ago by turning him in for pot.


Without that conviction, he may have been the current President of the United States.

SNR
05-05-2011, 10:25 AM
Just think how much you set back the life of that poor Indian person a few years ago by turning him in for pot.


Without that conviction, he may have been the current President of the United States.I just wanted him to get off my car. I got the gas station staff and they're the ones who called the cops

Iowanian
05-05-2011, 10:28 AM
Oppression of freedom of location to recline and meditate on the trials and tribulation of historical biggotry, cowboy.


Did you say "Hiya, Hiya, Hiya" as they carried the poor lad away, probably somewhere to be waterboarded?

Don't you have any compassion for the tough life and oppression that man has suffered?

SNR
05-05-2011, 10:30 AM
Oppression of freedom of location to recline and meditate on the trials and tribulation of historical biggotry, cowboy.


Did you say "Hiya, Hiya, Hiya" as they carried the poor lad away, probably somewhere to be waterboarded?

Don't you have any compassion for the tough life and oppression that man has suffered?On my car? Yeah, I hope they actually did waterboard him. Fuck that guy.

vailpass
05-05-2011, 10:33 AM
Native Americans are totally abused, poor victims. There are 4 indian casinos in the Phoenix metro area and they are pushing for a 5th.

Tribe asks feds to reaffirm land near Glendale OK for casino

by Cecilia Chan on Apr. 19, 2011, under National News
The Tohono O’odham Nation is asking the U.S. Department of Interior to issue an opinion reaffirming that land it purchased near Glendale is eligible for gaming.

The agency plans on May 16 to take the 54 acres near the city’s sports and entertainment district into the reservation system, a precursor to a casino.

Tribal officials said they don’t need the federal opinion to move forward but want to have an open process. A tribal representative said the tribe expected the decision “will happen relatively quickly.”

The Tohono O’odham Nation maintains that the 54 acres is part of a land settlement claim that allows for gaming on reservation lands acquired after 1988.

Renderings of proposed Glendale casino

The tribe, under a 1986 congressional act, was given $30 million to buy replacement property after its reservation land was destroyed by the construction of a federal dam.

“We have chosen to move forward with obtaining a gaming determination now to emphasize our dedication to this project, the surrounding communities and others,” tribal Chairman Ned Norris, Jr. said in a news release.

Norris said it was an appropriate time to ask for a decision given that the agency has agreed to designate the land a reservation, and the designation was upheld by a federal judge.

Glendale, the state and the Gila River Indian Community are appealing the reservation status in the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

Glendale issued a statement that it is focusing its energies on the appeal and called the tribe’s latest action “a continued disregard for the residents and neighborhood.”

http://tucsoncitizen.com/national-news/2011/04/19/tribe-asks-feds-to-reaffirm-land-near-glendale-ok-for-casino/

Discuss Thrower
05-05-2011, 10:36 AM
From what I know, the tribes don't benefit much from the casinos as a whole, but the leadership councils / chiefs do.

vailpass
05-05-2011, 10:37 AM
From what I know, the tribes don't benefit much from the casinos as a whole, but the leadership councils / chiefs do.

Not entirely. Investors eat up a big chunk.
Good study on it here:
http://www.investnative.org/research_policy_pubs/Per_Capita_Distributions_NNI.pdf

suzzer99
05-05-2011, 10:49 AM
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5624/5390575v14480x480frontc.jpg

Wasn't Geronimo one of the last, if not the last renegade Indian? If so the symbolism might not be by accident, which is kind of messed up imo. Just like putting Andrew Jackson on a new coin.

vailpass dickishness in 3...2...1...

vailpass
05-05-2011, 11:16 AM
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5624/5390575v14480x480frontc.jpg

Wasn't Geronimo one of the last, if not the last renegade Indian? If so the symbolism might not be by accident, which is kind of messed up imo. Just like putting Andrew Jackson on a new coin.

vailpass dickishness in 3...2...1...

It is good that you have now been trained to bend over and brace yourself for impact. But living in LA I guess that isn't so much survival as it is a night on the town for you.

As to the pic you posted: I was telling oldandslow a few months ago that one day at the gym there was an old native, long braids and all probalby in his 70s, wearing a t shirt with that pic on the front. Funny as hell.
BTW did you know Geronimo's native name means "big yawn" or something thereabouts. Where do they get those names?

Radar Chief
05-05-2011, 11:24 AM
BTW did you know Geronimo's native name means "big yawn" or something thereabouts. Where do they get those names?

When a child is born the father walks outside and the first thing he sees is what the child is named. Isn't that right, Dog Licking Balls? Yes its true, Two Deers Fucking. /Old Joke

vailpass
05-05-2011, 11:25 AM
When a child is born the father walks outside and the first thing he sees is what the child is named. Isn't that right, Dog Licking Balls? Yes its true, Two Deers ****ing. /Old Joke

LMAO

loochy
05-05-2011, 11:32 AM
White People: Telling oppressed minorities to "Get over it" since 1492

Minorities: Not getting their act together since 1492

You know, there are poor white people too. The thing is that they just don't blame their poorness on other ethnicities (well, they usually don't).

suzzer99
05-05-2011, 02:35 PM
No they blame it on other ethnicities.

blaise
05-05-2011, 02:40 PM
Was the mission named Geronimo or was Geronimo the code word for Bin Laden? I thought they were supposed to text "Geronimo" to signify a completed mission. Maybe I misread something. How exactly was it used?

mlyonsd
05-05-2011, 02:45 PM
Was the mission named Geronimo or was Geronimo the code word for Bin Laden? I thought they were supposed to text "Geronimo" to signify a completed mission. Maybe I misread something. How exactly was it used?


Original posting: The U.S. military's use of the code name "Geronimo" in the assault on Osama bin Laden's compound has generated a backlash among some Native American tribes and organizations.
How exactly the term was used remains unclear. After bin Laden was killed, the military sent a message back to the White House: "Geronimo EKIA" — enemy killed in action. U.S. officials have since said that "Geronimo" was the name of the operation itself and that "Jackpot" was the code word for bin Laden.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/05/use-of-geronimo-codename-in-bin-laden-operation-stirs-american-indian-backlash/1

The first I heard "Geronimo EKIA" I thought they were talking about OBL but it's not clear to me anymore that is the case.

vailpass
05-05-2011, 02:47 PM
Was the mission named Geronimo or was Geronimo the code word for Bin Laden? I thought they were supposed to text "Geronimo" to signify a completed mission. Maybe I misread something. How exactly was it used?

You are completely correct but the indians don't want to hear that. If they did they would have to admit they have nothing to complain about.

blaise
05-05-2011, 02:51 PM
You are completely correct but the indians don't want to hear that. If they did they would have to admit they have nothing to complain about.

Yeah I don't really get what would be offensive about the use. I seems to me it would be something to be proud of. I mean, if they called it Operation blaise I would be like, "Yeah, awesome."

Yes, then the mission would have been a fail- I'll save anyone the joke.

vailpass
05-05-2011, 03:02 PM
Yeah I don't really get what would be offensive about the use. I seems to me it would be something to be proud of. I mean, if they called it Operation blaise I would be like, "Yeah, awesome."

Yes, then the mission would have been a fail- I'll save anyone the joke.

X2

Comanche
05-05-2011, 03:04 PM
White People: Telling oppressed minorities to "Get over it" since 1492

Care to share your ethnic heritage there "Mr. Sensitive"?

vailpass
05-05-2011, 03:07 PM
Care to share your ethnic heritage there "Mr. Sensitive"?

He is 1/3 cockatoo and 2/3 gaymo.

Comanche
05-05-2011, 03:12 PM
Oh sheesh. Give it a rest. I'd be proud to have the name of one of my forefathers picked as the name of the mission to rid the world of a terroritst. It was heroic men completing a heroic task named after a heroic warrior and leader. That is all. Native Americans should be proud of this.

Obama had since at least August to approve a name. Guess he figured African-Americans would not have been "proud" of using a name from the Civil Rights Movement. Perhaps "Sharpton" would have been a name to be "proud" of, for example. If Obama really cared about ethnic sensitivities he would have known not to make such a bad choice. He is the freaking President and could have named it "Snow White" or any damb thing.

go bowe
05-05-2011, 03:14 PM
He is 1/3 cockatoo and 2/3 gaymo.and don't forget, a cockatoo is a right-winged bird...

RedNeckRaider
05-05-2011, 03:28 PM
Obama had since at least August to approve a name. Guess he figured African-Americans would not have been "proud" of using a name from the Civil Rights Movement. Perhaps "Sharpton" would have been a name to be "proud" of, for example. If Obama really cared about ethnic sensitivities he would have known not to make such a bad choice. He is the freaking President and could have named it "Snow White" or any damb thing.

Sharpton??? of all the names to represent the civil rights movement why would he use him unless he wanted to inspire them to fail on the mission and as people on the whole. As far as Geronimo he was a great and feared warrior so the nickname makes perfect sense to me~

Comanche
05-05-2011, 03:29 PM
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5624/5390575v14480x480frontc.jpg

Wasn't Geronimo one of the last, if not the last renegade Indian? If so the symbolism might not be by accident, which is kind of messed up imo. Just like putting Andrew Jackson on a new coin.


vailpass dickishness in 3...2...1...

It is good that you have now been trained to bend over and brace yourself for impact. But living in LA I guess that isn't so much survival as it is a night on the town for you.

As to the pic you posted: I was telling oldandslow a few months ago that one day at the gym there was an old native, long braids and all probalby in his 70s, wearing a t shirt with that pic on the front. Funny as hell.
BTW did you know Geronimo's native name means "big yawn" or something thereabouts. Where do they get those names?

Geronimo ultimately was not captured by the United States soldiers. He surrendered in order to keep his family from starving.

Consider that the "old native" was AT THE GYM while in his 70s! Will you still be going to the gym when you are in your 70s?

mikey23545
05-05-2011, 03:30 PM
and don't forget, a cockatoo is a right-winged bird...

And loons are left-wing birds...

Comanche
05-05-2011, 03:40 PM
Sharpton??? of all the names to represent the civil rights movement why would he use him unless he wanted to inspire them to fail on the mission and as people on the whole. As far as Geronimo he was a great and feared warrior so the nickname makes perfect sense to me~

CIA head Leon Panetta said "We have a visual on Geronimo" during the intelligence chief's narration of the raid to President Barack Obama and other top officials gathered in the White House Situation Room.

Harlyn Geronimo, whose father fought on Omaha Beach in northern France during the D-day invasion in 1944, asked Obama or Defense Secretary Robert Gates to explain "how this disgraceful use of my great grandfather's name occurred" and to apologize "for the grievous insult."

go bowe
05-05-2011, 03:43 PM
And loons are left-wing birds...LMAO LMAO LMAO

quick and ready wit, congratulations...

RedNeckRaider
05-05-2011, 03:45 PM
CIA head Leon Panetta said "We have a visual on Geronimo" during the intelligence chief's narration of the raid to President Barack Obama and other top officials gathered in the White House Situation Room.

Harlyn Geronimo, whose father fought on Omaha Beach in northern France during the D-day invasion in 1944, asked Obama or Defense Secretary Robert Gates to explain "how this disgraceful use of my great grandfather's name occurred" and to apologize "for the grievous insult."

Well once again Geronimo was a feared warrior who evaded capture for years so it still make sense. If you read my posts you should know I am not taking cheapshots~

blaise
05-05-2011, 03:51 PM
I don't see how any reasonable person would think this links Geronimo to terrorism. I think most people would look at it as a historical American word or place used as more of an honor, the same way a battleship might have the name of Lincoln or Roosevelt. I really fail to see why it's thought this was used as a negative toward Geronimo.
I doubt the intent was to say, "yeah, Geronimo was evil. Let's call Osama 'Geronimo'" I think it's more likely that they thought of the name Geronimo as something American.

mlyonsd
05-05-2011, 04:42 PM
CIA head Leon Panetta said "We have a visual on Geronimo" during the intelligence chief's narration of the raid to President Barack Obama and other top officials gathered in the White House Situation Room.

Harlyn Geronimo, whose father fought on Omaha Beach in northern France during the D-day invasion in 1944, asked Obama or Defense Secretary Robert Gates to explain "how this disgraceful use of my great grandfather's name occurred" and to apologize "for the grievous insult."

Just asking a question here......

Would you be ok with it if the name of the operation was 'Geronimo' and not the dick head that was targeted?

If it was the latter I have a problem with it as well. I'm hoping the media and Panetta just screwed up.

vailpass
05-05-2011, 04:52 PM
[QUOTE=vailpass;7622000]

Geronimo ultimately was not captured by the United States soldiers. He surrendered in order to keep his family from starving.

Consider that the "old native" was AT THE GYM while in his 70s! Will you still be going to the gym when you are in your 70s?

Not sure what you are getting at here?

vailpass
05-05-2011, 04:53 PM
Obama had since at least August to approve a name. Guess he figured African-Americans would not have been "proud" of using a name from the Civil Rights Movement. Perhaps "Sharpton" would have been a name to be "proud" of, for example. If Obama really cared about ethnic sensitivities he would have known not to make such a bad choice. He is the freaking President and could have named it "Snow White" or any damb thing.

Some people just look for things to bitch about. And when they can't find any they go ahead and make something up.

Gracie Dean
05-05-2011, 05:04 PM
then your name is wrong also

I'm just saying

Otter
05-06-2011, 01:47 AM
CIA head Leon Panetta said "We have a visual on Geronimo" during the intelligence chief's narration of the raid to President Barack Obama and other top officials gathered in the White House Situation Room.

Harlyn Geronimo, whose father fought on Omaha Beach in northern France during the D-day invasion in 1944, asked Obama or Defense Secretary Robert Gates to explain "how this disgraceful use of my great grandfather's name occurred" and to apologize "for the grievous insult."

I highly doubt Obama was laying in his wool jammies with a scratch pad next to Michelle thinking of the code name for Osama or he would have called him "bigfoot". The name was chosen by the team leader or at least someone between him and the 4 star JSOC general that actually gets to talk to Barry. The only blanks Barry filled in was his signature on the approval if anything.

Also handling a group like SEAL Team 6 and all involved (the peeps behind the intel mainly) in such a high profile manner is probably going to bite Barry in the ass if it already isn't.

Won't argue over whether it was right or wrong but I highly doubt "Geronimo" was chosen out of anything besides tactics. Take a look at the NATO phonetic alphabet. It fits in pretty well.

Comanche
05-06-2011, 07:15 AM
Well once again Geronimo was a feared warrior who evaded capture for years so it still make sense. If you read my posts you should know I am not taking cheapshots~

I understand. Apparently certain members of the Obama Administration are attempting to do damage control by now implying that the "mission" was named "Geronimo" and not THE MAN. Clearly, Leon Panetta's comment that "We have a visual on Geronimo" indicates the name was placed on the man and hence the insult. I certainly don't believe the name was used to "honor" a war hero of the Native American people. No way.

Iowanian
05-06-2011, 07:23 AM
Geronimo was a "war hero" of the Natives, but he's not a hero of the United States.


The United States is under no obligation to honor him.

Comanche
05-06-2011, 07:25 AM
I highly doubt Obama was laying in his wool jammies with a scratch pad next to Michelle thinking of the code name for Osama or he would have called him "bigfoot". The name was chosen by the team leader or at least someone between him and the 4 star JSOC general that actually gets to talk to Barry. The only blanks Barry filled in was his signature on the approval if anything.

Also handling a group like SEAL Team 6 and all involved (the peeps behind the intel mainly) in such a high profile manner is probably going to bite Barry in the ass if it already isn't.

Won't argue over whether it was right or wrong but I highly doubt "Geronimo" was chosen out of anything besides tactics. Take a look at the NATO phonetic alphabet. It fits in pretty well.

I get your point but just as Dwight Eisenhower had the opportunity to approve the name, "Omaha Beach," Obama certainly had the opportunity to say, uhh boys, think we should call this guy something else. Surely he understood that if the mission was successful, children would be reading this code name in history books for decades to come.

blaise
05-06-2011, 07:32 AM
I understand. Apparently certain members of the Obama Administration are attempting to do damage control by now implying that the "mission" was named "Geronimo" and not THE MAN. Clearly, Leon Panetta's comment that "We have a visual on Geronimo" indicates the name was placed on the man and hence the insult. I certainly don't believe the name was used to "honor" a war hero of the Native American people. No way.

I don't think that it clearly shows that. He may have not articulated well at that moment.

And I'll also say the majority of people seem to think Geronimo was referencing the mission, not Bin Laden. The people who seem to be insisting Geronimo was supposed to be synonymous with Bin Laden are the ones who are saying this tarnishes Geronimo's legacy. If they were really interested in preserving his legacy why are they going to such trouble to draw a parallel to Bin Laden and Geronimo? If most people think the mission was called Geronimo (I don't know that for a fact, but it seems to be the impression I get) then why go to a the trouble to link Geronimo to Bin Laden? To make other people who aren't drawing that parallel come around to your thinking that there is one?

Iowanian
05-06-2011, 07:34 AM
It's also possible that the planning teams were more interested in logistics of how many seals, contingency plans, the effect of a catastrophic fail of the mission and other details far more insignificant than offending casino-owner-Americans.

blaise
05-06-2011, 07:46 AM
A: I can't believe they called Bin Laden "Geronimo"
B: I thought the mission was called Geronimo
A: No, Bin Laden was Geronimo
B: Really? I thought it was the mission, and I think it reflects positively on Geronimo.
A: No, Bin Laden was Geronimo.
B: Oh, so this isn't an honor?
A: No, this links Geronimo and Bin Laden.
B: Ok, I guess I'll think of Geronimo as a sort of terrorist like Bin Laden then. Thanks, I guess.
A: Then my work is done. I've convinced you that you should link Bin Laden and Geronimo in a negative fashion instead of a positive one.
B: Thanks?

Comanche
05-06-2011, 07:48 AM
Geronimo was a "war hero" of the Natives, but he's not a hero of the United States.


The United States is under no obligation to honor him.

So who asked the "United States" to even use his name? Certainly Geronimo's family didn't. If you knew the full history of Geronimo you would want to personally honor him. He made the effort to become a "good Injun" and live on a promised rez created in his home territory. He was lied to and he and his people were sent on a train to Florida where many died from exposure to diseases their bodies had no immunities to. When the government saw the appalling rate of disease and death, they moved the remaining tribe members Mt. Vernon, Ala., then to Ft Sill, Oklahoma. There Geronimo attempted to make a living by digging potatoes out of poor dirt. He was no "dirt farmer", however, and through his cunning and inventiveness adapted to a capitalist society by selling memorabilia. Many of the items he sold included bows/arrows he personally made and like modern day athletes, he sold his autograph and photos. Plenty of whites were thrilled to pay for items signed by the historical figure.

Remove the scabs of hatred from your eyes and open your heart to the injustice of this thing.

Comanche
05-06-2011, 08:06 AM
And the crazy thing is that 'Geronimo' didn't refer to OBL himself, it referred to the entire mission.

“It’s another attempt to label Native Americans as terrorists,” said Paula Antoine from the Rosebud Sioux Tribe in South Dakota.

“WTF, da gov't code named osama bin laden "Geronimo"! wat kinda (expletive) is that?” is how Cody YoungBear LeClair of Marshalltown, Iowa, put it on his Facebook page.

On Facebook, on Twitter, on Native American websites, in local newspapers, and in what appear to be countless conservations on reservations and in schools across the country, Native Americans are genuinely hurt and puzzled by the choice of “Geronimo” as a code-name for either Bin Laden or the mission to take him out.

White House officials have insisted that the Geronimo was used as the name only for the mission, not bin Laden himself.

Navy SEALs confirmed the death of Bin Laden with the line: “Geronimo E-KIA.”

blaise
05-06-2011, 08:10 AM
“It’s another attempt to label Native Americans as terrorists,” said Paula Antoine from the Rosebud Sioux Tribe in South Dakota.

“WTF, da gov't code named osama bin laden "Geronimo"! wat kinda (expletive) is that?” is how Cody YoungBear LeClair of Marshalltown, Iowa, put it on his Facebook page.

On Facebook, on Twitter, on Native American websites, in local newspapers, and in what appear to be countless conservations on reservations and in schools across the country, Native Americans are genuinely hurt and puzzled by the choice of “Geronimo” as a code-name for either Bin Laden or the mission to take him out.

White House officials have insisted that the Geronimo was used as the name only for the mission, not bin Laden himself.

Navy SEALs confirmed the death of Bin Laden with the line: “Geronimo E-KIA.”

Ok, you've convinced me. I was thinking it was an honor, but from now on I'll associate negatively with Geronimo. Congrats.

Radar Chief
05-06-2011, 09:14 AM
So who asked the "United States" to even use his name? Certainly Geronimo's family didn't.

Do they have the name trade marked or something?

Bowser
05-06-2011, 09:41 AM
This thread is one ginormous :facepalm:

ROYC75
05-06-2011, 10:18 AM
All of this, I say, all, said All of this is just plain messed up, I mean all messed up man.

No?

vailpass
05-06-2011, 10:21 AM
So who asked the "United States" to even use his name? Certainly Geronimo's family didn't. If you knew the full history of Geronimo you would want to personally honor him. He made the effort to become a "good Injun" and live on a promised rez created in his home territory. He was lied to and he and his people were sent on a train to Florida where many died from exposure to diseases their bodies had no immunities to. When the government saw the appalling rate of disease and death, they moved the remaining tribe members Mt. Vernon, Ala., then to Ft Sill, Oklahoma. There Geronimo attempted to make a living by digging potatoes out of poor dirt. He was no "dirt farmer", however, and through his cunning and inventiveness adapted to a capitalist society by selling memorabilia. Many of the items he sold included bows/arrows he personally made and like modern day athletes, he sold his autograph and photos. Plenty of whites were thrilled to pay for items signed by the historical figure.

Remove the scabs of hatred from your eyes and open your heart to the injustice of this thing.

The US doesn't have to ask to use his name, we don't have to ask you for jack shit. So long as it pleases us to do so we will allow you to retain your reservations and your casino operations. If and when it becomes necessary for us to nationalize those lands and assetts we will excercise eminent domain and do so.
This is how it works when you are conquered. Whether you like it or not is of no consequence.

ROYC75
05-06-2011, 10:28 AM
The US doesn't have to ask to use his name, we don't have to ask you for jack shit. So long as it pleases us to do so we will allow you to retain your reservations and your casino operations. If and when it becomes necessary for us to nationalize those lands and assetts we will excercise eminent domain and do so.
This is how it works when you are conquered. Whether you like it or not is of no consequence.

This is fact, should be end of the story, but, it won't.

Mile High Mania
05-06-2011, 10:30 AM
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Huffmeister
05-06-2011, 11:15 AM
It's only offensive if you choose to be offended.

Radar Chief
05-06-2011, 11:27 AM
It's only offensive if you choose to be offended.

YOU DON'T KNOW, MAN!!! YOU WEREN'T ON THE TRAIL OF TEARS!!!
Oh, wait.

Comanche
05-06-2011, 04:46 PM
The US doesn't have to ask to use his name, we don't have to ask you for jack shit. So long as it pleases us to do so we will allow you to retain your reservations and your casino operations. If and when it becomes necessary for us to nationalize those lands and assetts we will excercise eminent domain and do so.
This is how it works when you are conquered. Whether you like it or not is of no consequence.

And just who do you think you are talking about? It is highly likely that many of your co-workers on the job have an ethnic heritage that includes Native American decent. Have you combed through your spouse's family tree? Many Americans are PROUD of the fact that their heritage includes "Indian" blood. So you can stop your hatred of "them" and realize "them" is "us". The so called "conquered" are walking among "you" everyday. Other ethnic groups expect to be treated with respect. Native Americans are no different.

vailpass
05-06-2011, 05:24 PM
And just who do you think you are talking about? It is highly likely that many of your co-workers on the job have an ethnic heritage that includes Native American decent. Have you combed through your spouse's family tree? Many Americans are PROUD of the fact that their heritage includes "Indian" blood. So you can stop your hatred of "them" and realize "them" is "us". The so called "conquered" are walking among "you" everyday. Other ethnic groups expect to be treated with respect. Native Americans are no different.

Calm down there dances with wolves. Go get yourself a jumbo jack and a buttweiser and relax.

ClevelandBronco
05-06-2011, 05:38 PM
...Remove the scabs of hatred from your eyes and open your heart to the injustice of this thing.

Take a deep breath and get comfortable with the idea that no one really cares. Indians haven't been on our radar much for a century or so. Look, we'll throw you a bone on a sports team's name every now and them, but it's only because we don't have to give a shit any more.

Comanche
05-07-2011, 08:00 AM
Calm down there dances with wolves. Go get yourself a jumbo jack and a buttweiser and relax.

Hey, "William the Conqueror", tell us YOUR ethnic background and I will let you know who kicked THEIR azzes. Every population has been "conquered" by someone during the course of their histories. The Puritans, for example, were early American settlers who were escaping persecution in Europe. Therefore, there is no need for you to get all "puffed up" about 5,000 well armed soldiers who were never able to capture by force Geronimo and his band of about 400 Native Americans.

Again, it was hypocritical for Obama to defame the name of a Native American that way. African-Americans (esp. Al Sharpton) would NOT have been "honored" if the name of a prominent black leader had been used (and rightly so). Chit would have hit the fan if Don Imus or someone else had referred to OBL as "Rev. Jesse Jackson" or similar. You know that's true.

Comanche
05-07-2011, 08:08 AM
Take a deep breath and get comfortable with the idea that no one really cares. Indians haven't been on our radar much for a century or so. Look, we'll throw you a bone on a sports team's name every now and them, but it's only because we don't have to give a shit any more.

Well, you better be looking over your shoulder "Internet Tough Guy" since Native American lawyers have been kicking in the doors on land reclamation and other issues for about the past 25 years. Even in KC, on both sides of the State Line, Native Americans have won judgments concerning land usage and sovereignty issues.

Do you have the balls to step up and list your ethnic background? Thought not. Then I'll tell you how much "shit" people give about your ancestors.

AndChiefs
05-07-2011, 08:28 AM
Do you have the balls to step up and list your ethnic background? Thought not. Then I'll tell you how much "shit" people give about your ancestors.

I'm Dutch, Jewish, Gypsy, and English. People talk crap all the time about my ancestors (especially the Gypsy ones). Who cares. Make fun of my ancestors all you want. They don't define me.

Your ancestors helped shape your present and every people group has their stereotypes and issues.

I don't understand the furor on this at all. Geronimo was an important and famous figure in our nation's past. Who cares if the mission or OBL was nicknamed Geronimo. He could have been named George Washington for all I care. The whole idea of code-names is making sure people don't know what you're talking about in case your signal is intercepted. They're not used to subtly slam entire people groups (especially in today's sensitive society).

Dave Lane
05-07-2011, 08:35 AM
Oh sheesh. Give it a rest. I'd be proud to have the name of one of my forefathers picked as the name of the mission to rid the world of a terroritst. It was heroic men completing a heroic task named after a heroic warrior and leader. That is all. Native Americans should be proud of this.

The vast majority I'm sure see it that way. If the posts in this forum where quoted in the national media people would be convinced all white people are insane.

vailpass
05-07-2011, 08:47 AM
Hey, "William the Conqueror", tell us YOUR ethnic background and I will let you know who kicked THEIR azzes. Every population has been "conquered" by someone during the course of their histories. The Puritans, for example, were early American settlers who were escaping persecution in Europe. Therefore, there is no need for you to get all "puffed up" about 5,000 well armed soldiers who were never able to capture by force Geronimo and his band of about 400 Native Americans.

Again, it was hypocritical for Obama to defame the name of a Native American that way. African-Americans (esp. Al Sharpton) would NOT have been "honored" if the name of a prominent black leader had been used (and rightly so). Chit would have hit the fan if Don Imus or someone else had referred to OBL as "Rev. Jesse Jackson" or similar. You know that's true.

I'm sorry to see you so worked up. I have peace offering for you. A big stack of blankets, enough for your whole tribe.

ClevelandBronco
05-07-2011, 10:05 AM
Do you have the balls to step up and list your ethnic background? Thought not. Then I'll tell you how much "shit" people give about your ancestors.

Half Slovene, half English/Irish/Scottish mixture with a sprinkle of Cherokee. It's no surprise that people don't give a shit about my heritage. I know I don't.

Iowanian
05-07-2011, 10:37 AM
I'm Dutch, Jewish, Gypsy, and English. People talk crap all the time about my ancestors (especially the Gypsy ones). Who cares. Make fun of my ancestors all you want. They don't define me.

Your ancestors helped shape your present and every people group has their stereotypes and issues.

I don't understand the furor on this at all. Geronimo was an important and famous figure in our nation's past. Who cares if the mission or OBL was nicknamed Geronimo. He could have been named George Washington for all I care. The whole idea of code-names is making sure people don't know what you're talking about in case your signal is intercepted. They're not used to subtly slam entire people groups (especially in today's sensitive society).

A gypsie-Jew?

Does that mean you only steal cheap shit?



burn.

Bump
05-07-2011, 10:42 AM
I learned the hard way that you shouldn't yell "GERONIMO!!!!!" around any native americans while going down that one slide at that water park in Wichita.

ClevelandBronco
05-07-2011, 10:51 AM
Well, you better be looking over your shoulder "Internet Tough Guy"...

BTW, you have me all wrong. I'm not an internet tough guy. I'm an internet don't-give-a-smallpox-laden-fuck-about-your-ghost-dancing-bullshit guy.

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Bump
05-07-2011, 10:56 AM
I better not say how I feel about native americans, it's not fair to the few of them who are decent people.

KILLER_CLOWN
05-07-2011, 10:56 AM
:harumph:

ClevelandBronco
05-07-2011, 10:57 AM
I better not say how I feel about native americans, it's not fair to the few of them who are decent people.

Well, their native Americanness has nothing to do with whether they're decent or not.

ChiefaRoo
05-07-2011, 12:03 PM
I'm just saying. . .

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/05/congress-to-examine-inappropriate-and-devastating-use-of-geronimo-codename-in-bin-laden-mission.html

I completely agree they should of used "The Mexican" as a code word

As in

"Seal6 to base we have acquired "The Mexican" "Operation Trail of tears is complete"

:)

Brock
05-07-2011, 12:47 PM
I better not say how I feel about native americans, it's not fair to the few of them who are decent people.

Coming from you, that really means a lot.

seamonster
05-07-2011, 01:38 PM
I've always been annoyed by the pressure some Native American groups put on sports teams to change their names because they've decided to be offended by them. This is more of that same tired old bullshit.

It IS attention-whorish.

I can't think of anyreason why a group of people would be aggravated by the cleveland indians or the washington redskins. racial sluring ethnic minorities so you can scratch your balls and cheer for the hillbilly home team is just how things should stay.

Comanche
05-07-2011, 03:17 PM
Half Slovene, half English/Irish/Scottish mixture with a sprinkle of Cherokee. It's no surprise that people don't give a shit about my heritage. I know I don't.

"but it's only because we don't have to give a shit any more."

Sad to hear that you have "sprinkle of Cherokee" and have no pride in your heritage. The Cherokee Nation is one of the "Five Civilized Tribes." The Cherokee participated in the "Trail of Tears." To this day, the Cherokee have a strong governmental presence in Oklahoma. Chief Sequoyah was responsible for developing a written language for the Cherokee nation. Being Cherokee is definitely something to be proud of.

blaise
05-07-2011, 03:32 PM
"Dammit, you will associate Bin Laden and Geronimo! You will stop thinking this is an honor and let your mind associate the two in the worst possible way! Only then will you truly honor Geronimo!"

Garcia Bronco
05-08-2011, 05:07 PM
I am Native American and I give permission to all people to make fun us, our mothers, fathers, and anything else we do. Thank you.

mlyonsd
05-08-2011, 07:34 PM
FWIW tonight on 60 Minutes Obama admits the name was code for OBL, not the mission.

T-post Tom
05-08-2011, 07:46 PM
Imagine all the angry British-Americans had the code name been "Nigel."

ClevelandBronco
05-08-2011, 07:59 PM
"but it's only because we don't have to give a shit any more."

Sad to hear that you have "sprinkle of Cherokee" and have no pride in your heritage. The Cherokee Nation is one of the "Five Civilized Tribes." The Cherokee participated in the "Trail of Tears." To this day, the Cherokee have a strong governmental presence in Oklahoma. Chief Sequoyah was responsible for developing a written language for the Cherokee nation. Being Cherokee is definitely something to be proud of.

All very well and good, but I'm not Slovene and I'm not Cherokee.

Mr. Kotter
05-08-2011, 09:24 PM
Geronimo....is, now, a euphemism for "let's go" and "bonzai"....and, ANYONE, who chooses to be "offended" by it....needs to get a fuggin' real life. Seriously.

I'm just sayin'. :shake:

ForeverChiefs58
05-08-2011, 09:32 PM
Obama had since at least August to approve a name. Guess he figured African-Americans would not have been "proud" of using a name from the Civil Rights Movement. Perhaps "Sharpton" would have been a name to be "proud" of, for example. If Obama really cared about ethnic sensitivities he would have known not to make such a bad choice. He is the freaking President and could have named it "Snow White" or any damb thing.

What a stupid fucking post. I think Sharpton sucks, but he hasn't ever butchered any innocent families before that I know of, and either has any civil rights leaders so your comparison= FAIL.

Geronimo maybe someone YOU view as heroic, but to ordinary people and the cavalry, back then he was in today's term a terrorist that frustrated the USA.

It doesn't matter if we call his code name two male dogs fucking, or what we name any sports team. I would think you would be happy ANYONE remembered you at all since it is rare to even meet someone 100% indian of native american heritage. If we stopped naming things after native americans you would be forgotten, at least it keeps your heritage in remembrance.
Most people don't think fondly of people who resist their govt. that they support. In short, stop your bitching.

Brock
05-08-2011, 09:34 PM
This is still going on? WGAF?

Comanche
05-09-2011, 07:30 AM
I'm sorry to see you so worked up. I have peace offering for you. A big stack of blankets, enough for your whole tribe.

Hater. You obviously can't communicate in an intelligent, informed or decent manner.

Comanche
05-09-2011, 07:33 AM
I am Native American and I give permission to all people to make fun us, our mothers, fathers, and anything else we do. Thank you.

Yeah right. Hablo español "Garcia"?

Comanche
05-09-2011, 07:36 AM
FWIW tonight on 60 Minutes Obama admits the name was code for OBL, not the mission.

Exactly. Thank you!

Comanche
05-09-2011, 07:39 AM
BTW, you have me all wrong. I'm not an internet tough guy. I'm an internet don't-give-a-smallpox-laden-****-about-your-ghost-dancing-bullshit guy.


!

Perhaps "Rude, irreverent SOB" better "defines" you.

Comanche
05-09-2011, 07:44 AM
Geronimo....is, now, a euphemism for "let's go" and "bonzai"....and, ANYONE, who chooses to be "offended" by it....needs to get a fuggin' real life. Seriously.

I'm just sayin'. :shake:

The "N" word also became a "euphemism" for a number of figures of speech. Care to yell that word out-loud on Troost Avenue to determine how well it is accepted as a "euphemism?" Didn't think so. Your "excuse" is very weak.

Otter
05-09-2011, 07:45 AM
Here's an idea: Get the fuck off your buffalo hide drum and build and identity for yourself so you don't get butt sore the next time "Geronimo" is mentioned in a fashion that doesn't meet your liking in the fucking the year TWO THOUSAND ELEVEN!!!

Unless of course you're just looking for a reason to be butt hurt because then no one can stop you from the whining and self pity.

Ya know what? Instead of going out and making a name for myself I'm gonna latch on to say...oh I don't know...John Fucking Wayne. Sure I never met the guy, but he sure was cool and done some cool shit according to what they told me and took out those Indians when we needed him too.

Yeah, think I'll just sit here till I fucking die and look for a reason to bitch and whine. Shut the fuck up already.

Otter
05-09-2011, 07:50 AM
Or here's an idea Two Dogs ****ing:

Put on some war paint and grab a hatchet and scalp a white man or a black president or whoever you're loathing in in self pit today and scalp his ass like Geronimo would have done instead fof watching cellulite accumulate on your ****ing never rode a horse ass and legs in front of your computer in between wank sessions on barely 18.

Make ****ing Geronimo proud already you fat ****.

Comanche
05-09-2011, 07:51 AM
What a stupid ****ing post. I think Sharpton sucks, but he hasn't ever butchered any innocent families before that I know of, and either has any civil rights leaders so your comparison= FAIL.

Geronimo maybe someone YOU view as heroic, but to ordinary people and the cavalry, back then he was in today's term a terrorist that frustrated the USA.

It doesn't matter if we call his code name two male dogs ****ing, or what we name any sports team. I would think you would be happy ANYONE remembered you at all since it is rare to even meet someone 100% indian of native american heritage. If we stopped naming things after native americans you would be forgotten, at least it keeps your heritage in remembrance.
Most people don't think fondly of people who resist their govt. that they support. In short, stop your bitching.

Perhaps you need to study a little history. You would learn that when Geronimo was a young man, Mexican troops attacked his camp and killed his wife, mother and three small children. How about THAT for "innocent women and children?" Learn something before you run your mouth.

Comanche
05-09-2011, 07:59 AM
Or here's an idea Two Dogs ****ing:

Put on some war paint and grab a hatchet and scalp a white man or a black president or whoever you're loathing in in self pit today and scalp his ass like Geronimo would have done instead fof watching cellulite accumulate on your ****ing never rode a horse ass and legs in front of your computer in between wank sessions on barely 18.

Make ****ing Geronimo proud already you fat ****.

You sound really tough typing from your mama's basement. You sound as though you have been taking sociopath lessons from Charles Manson.

Otter
05-09-2011, 08:02 AM
You sound really tough typing from your mama's basement. You sound as though you have been taking sociopath lessons from Charles Manson.

And you sound like a self-pitying, little bitch who won't shut up about one of the stupidest arguments I've ever read.

Go pity yourself little boy. Momma won't make fun of you when you cry. Go find her.

Comanche
05-09-2011, 08:08 AM
Instead of going out and making a name for myself I'm gonna latch on to say...oh I don't know...John ****ing Wayne. Sure I never met the guy, but he sure was cool and done some cool shit according to what they told me and took out those Indians when we needed him too.

Shut the **** up already.

Oh, by the way, "John Wayne's" REAL name was Marion Morrison! Therefore, the "name" you just made for yourself was "Marion." "Marion" was an actor who never "took out an Indian" in his entire life.

Otter
05-09-2011, 08:09 AM
Oh, by the way, "John Wayne's" REAL name was Marion Morrison! Therefore, the "name" you just made for yourself was "Marion." "Marion" was an actor who never "took out an Indian" in his entire life.

Now you have another reason to pity yourself. Go at it champ!

Comanche
05-09-2011, 08:11 AM
And you sound like a self-pitying, little bitch who won't shut up about one of the stupidest arguments I've ever read.

Go pity yourself little boy. Momma won't make fun of you when you cry. Go find her.

Sorry you didn't get to finish third grade. It is obvious you can't participate in an intellectual conversation. Cretin.

Comanche
05-09-2011, 08:12 AM
Now you have another reason to pity yourself. Go at it champ!

Duh, You're LOSING!

Comanche
05-09-2011, 08:13 AM
Oh, by the way, "John Wayne's" REAL name was Marion Morrison! Therefore, the "name" you just made for yourself was "Marion." "Marion" was an actor who never "took out an Indian" in his entire life. :p:p:p:p:p:p:p:pLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

Otter
05-09-2011, 08:24 AM
Duh, You're LOSING!

You should be all set for the rest of the year in excuses and self pity there Crying Whiny Buffalo. Have at it you pussy. :deevee:

Reaper16
05-09-2011, 08:33 AM
Carrie Prejean deserves to get Geronimo'd.

ForeverChiefs58
05-09-2011, 09:57 AM
Perhaps you need to study a little history. You would learn that when Geronimo was a young man, Mexican troops attacked his camp and killed his wife, mother and three small children. How about THAT for "innocent women and children?" Learn something before you run your mouth.

:spock:
Yes, he lost several wives and children either killed or taken as slaves, but it was nothing he or his tribe didn't also do to many, many others as well. Some of his other wives were even women he had captured.

The killing of coloradas i believe was what brought his war to whites.

Are you trying to seriously say that geronimo NEVER killed any innocent civilians? Never killed any innocent women and children settlers? Never killed any other apatches that didn't go along with his views? His apache tribe didn't have ANY innocent blood on their hands?

Maybe you should crack open a book there, big mouth running.

tyton75
05-09-2011, 09:59 AM
I actually took it as a compliment to Geronimo... he was a tough mother that was hard to kill just like Osama

if anything it was fitting

vailpass
05-09-2011, 10:05 AM
Hater. You obviously can't communicate in an intelligent, informed or decent manner.

Give me $100 worth of chips to your casino and I'll engage in all the wry reparte you require. Better make that $200 in chips. Plus 2 passes to the buffet.

Garcia Bronco
05-09-2011, 12:00 PM
Yeah right. Hablo español "Garcia"?

It's for Jerry Garcia. I am in part Native American and Welsh since the mid-1600's. You don't speak for all of us. I do because I am a Chief.

ClevelandBronco
05-09-2011, 12:09 PM
Oh, by the way, "John Wayne's" REAL name was Marion Morrison! Therefore, the "name" you just made for yourself was "Marion." "Marion" was an actor who never "took out an Indian" in his entire life.

Not even for coffee?

Jaric
05-09-2011, 12:17 PM
It's for Jerry Garcia. I am in part Native American and Welsh since the mid-1600's. You don't speak for all of us. I do because I am a Chief.

Oh snap!

No but seriously, there is a whole lot of silliness going on in this thread.

Comanche
05-09-2011, 12:36 PM
You should be all set for the rest of the year in excuses and self pity there Crying Whiny Buffalo. Have at it you pussy. :deevee:

You are ridiculous. You can't hang in an intelligent conversation so you resort to third grade tactics. They didn't work for you then and they don't work for you now. Coward.

Comanche
05-09-2011, 12:40 PM
It's for Jerry Garcia. I am in part Native American and Welsh since the mid-1600's. You don't speak for all of us. I do because I am a Chief.

Yeah, a "Kansas City Chief FAN" maybe. A true "Chief" understands that he doesn't even speak for his own tribe much less ALL "Native Americans." Disgrace your purported heritage if you want, it only serves to bring you down.

vailpass
05-09-2011, 12:48 PM
Yeah, a "Kansas City Chief FAN" maybe. A true "Chief" understands that he doesn't even speak for his own tribe much less ALL "Native Americans." Disgrace you purported heritage if you want, it only serves to bring you down.

Comanche on warpath. Take um many scalps. Think people take him serious. Ugh.

Comanche
05-09-2011, 12:52 PM
:spock:
Yes, he lost several wives and children either killed or taken as slaves, but it was nothing he or his tribe didn't also do to many, many others as well. Some of his other wives were even women he had captured.

The killing of coloradas i believe was what brought his war to whites.

Are you trying to seriously say that geronimo NEVER killed any innocent civilians? Never killed any innocent women and children settlers? Never killed any other apatches that didn't go along with his views? His apache tribe didn't have ANY innocent blood on their hands?

Maybe you should crack open a book there, big mouth running.

Care to discuss the "women and children" killed by CUSTER? Thought not. Colonel John Chivington, commanding the 1864 Sand Creek massacre, ordered his troops' murder of women and children with the aphorisms "Nits make lice" and "We must kill them big and little." Phil Sheridan went on record as saying "the only good Indians I ever saw were dead". Care to discuss Sherman's torching of Columbia, South Carolina? Didn't think so. Another history lesson for you. Read up before you shoot off your fat mouth.

Garcia Bronco
05-09-2011, 12:55 PM
Yeah, a "Kansas City Chief FAN" maybe. A true "Chief" understands that he doesn't even speak for his own tribe much less ALL "Native Americans." Disgrace you purported heritage if you want, it only serves to bring you down.

Native Americans made a choice...some made a choice to follow one way and other Native Americans decided to integrate with settlers from other lands. I come from the latter. I am still from several lines of Native Americans...thus making me a Native American.

So you don't get to claim exclusivity to the heritage. Since it belongs to many...no one speaks for the group...so what's all the complaining about?

Mr. Kotter
05-09-2011, 12:56 PM
Care to discuss the "women and children" killed by CUSTER? Thought not. Colonel John Chivington, commanding the 1864 Sand Creek massacre, ordered his troops' murder of women and children with the aphorisms "Nits make lice" and "We must kill them big and little." Phil Sheridan went on record as saying "the only good Indians I ever saw were dead". Care to discuss Sherman's torching of Columbia, South Carolina? Didn't think so. Another history lesson for you. Read up before you shoot off your fat mouth.

You still didn't answer his questions. Not that we'd really expect you to...

Comanche
05-09-2011, 12:57 PM
Comanche on warpath. Take um many scalps. Think people take him serious. Ugh.

You are an embarrassment to yourself.

Comanche
05-09-2011, 01:06 PM
You still didn't answer his questions. Not that we'd really expect you to...

He asked it in the form of a question. He failed to mention specific instances in history. Why then should I respond? Why are you defending him anyway? Don't you feel he can defend himself?

vailpass
05-09-2011, 01:08 PM
You are an embarrassment to yourself.

Comanche big mad. Drinkum fire water. Screw em totem pole. Get em new name: chief splinter dick.

Comanche
05-09-2011, 01:10 PM
Care to discuss the "women and children" killed by CUSTER? Thought not. Colonel John Chivington, commanding the 1864 Sand Creek massacre, ordered his troops' murder of women and children with the aphorisms "Nits make lice" and "We must kill them big and little." Phil Sheridan went on record as saying "the only good Indians I ever saw were dead". Care to discuss Sherman's torching of Columbia, South Carolina? Didn't think so. Another history lesson for you. Read up before you shoot off your fat mouth.

Obama should have used the code name "Chivington" to refer to OBL.

Comanche
05-09-2011, 01:15 PM
Comanche big mad. Drinkum fire water. Screw em totem pole. Get em new name: chief splinter dick.

Another Internet Coward. Hmmm "vailpass" has over 17,000 posts. The effects of his misspent youth are obvious.

vailpass
05-09-2011, 01:21 PM
Another Internet Coward. Hmmm "vailpass" has over 17,000 posts. The effects of his misspent youth are obvious.

I apologize. I didn't mean to get into this sort of arguement with you. I understand the trauma associated with having your lands taken away, your culture marginalized, your people forced onto the reservation.
So let me take that reservation off your hands. I'll give you a basket of beads and 7 shiny rocks in exchange.

ForeverChiefs58
05-09-2011, 01:54 PM
Care to discuss the "women and children" killed by CUSTER? Thought not. Colonel John Chivington, commanding the 1864 Sand Creek massacre, ordered his troops' murder of women and children with the aphorisms "Nits make lice" and "We must kill them big and little." Phil Sheridan went on record as saying "the only good Indians I ever saw were dead". Care to discuss Sherman's torching of Columbia, South Carolina? Didn't think so. Another history lesson for you. Read up before you shoot off your fat mouth.

Since he was never wanted by the united states your point is mute. however, if they did name it operation chivington, custer, john freaking wayne, or jessie freaking james I really doubt you would hear the level of whinning and even if you did, people would still tell them to STFD and get over it.

ClevelandBronco
05-09-2011, 02:10 PM
He asked it in the form of a question.

Is there a better way to ask?

Radar Chief
05-09-2011, 02:12 PM
Since he was never wanted by the united states your point is mute. however, if they did name it operation chivington, custer, john freaking wayne, or jessie freaking james I really doubt you would hear the level of whinning and even if you did, people would still tell them to STFD and get over it.

I just look at it as, things aren’t so bad for young Mr. Comanche here if this is really the worst he has to bitch about.

Comanche
05-09-2011, 04:16 PM
Since he was never wanted by the united states your point is mute. however, if they did name it operation chivington, custer, john freaking wayne, or jessie freaking james I really doubt you would hear the level of whinning and even if you did, people would still tell them to STFD and get over it.

Are you trying to seriously say that Harry Truman NEVER killed any innocent civilians? Never killed any innocent women and children urban dwellers?

More women and children were killed with ONE BOMB at Hiroshima than the total number of settlers killed in ALL Indian wars PLUS the total number of persons killed on 9/11. Perhaps, based upon your rationale, OBL code = "HARRY" would have been more appropriate. It would have described OBL better anyway (hairy. . .beard, get it?)

Iowanian
05-09-2011, 04:24 PM
It wasn't a true indian raid unless the seals took scalps, right.

Comanche
05-09-2011, 04:27 PM
Are you trying to seriously say that Harry Truman NEVER killed any innocent civilians? Never killed any innocent women and children urban dwellers?

More women and children were killed with ONE BOMB at Hiroshima than the total number of settlers killed in ALL Indian wars PLUS the total number of persons killed on 9/11. Perhaps, based upon your rationale, OBL code = "HARRY" would have been more appropriate. It would have described OBL better anyway (hairy. . .beard, get it?)

Apparently there no one on this thread besides myself who is willing to hold an intelligent conversation.

vailpass
05-09-2011, 04:27 PM
I'm glad my wife's people are a little more in control than Comanche here. I'll bet he is the type that wears the braid down to his ass and a cap that says "native pride" on it.

vailpass
05-09-2011, 04:28 PM
Is there no one on this thread besides myself who is willing to hold an intelligent conversation?

Absolutely. How shall we do it, smoke signals or drum beats?

ClevelandBronco
05-09-2011, 04:45 PM
If the U.S. cavalry had had the atomic bomb in the 1800s we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Of course, dropping that son of a bitch from the back of a horse does present logistical problems.

ForeverChiefs58
05-09-2011, 04:51 PM
Are you trying to seriously say that Harry Truman NEVER killed any innocent civilians? Never killed any innocent women and children urban dwellers?

More women and children were killed with ONE BOMB at Hiroshima than the total number of settlers killed in ALL Indian wars PLUS the total number of persons killed on 9/11. Perhaps, based upon your rationale, OBL code = "HARRY" would have been more appropriate. It would have described OBL better anyway (hairy. . .beard, get it?)

Uh, WTF? I never said anything like that. As a matter of fact I said the people you named were never wanted by our govt. Like it or not, geronimo was a wanted man for his murderous crimes by the united states for awhile.

Radar Chief
05-09-2011, 04:57 PM
Apparently there no one on this thread besides myself who is willing to hold an intelligent conversation.

Um, you seem to be using the term "intelligent conversation" as if its interchangable with incessantly whining and it isn't.

Iowanian
05-09-2011, 05:07 PM
Absolutely. How shall we do it, smoke signals or drum beats?


That's a pretty insulting comment about historical native american early communication techniques that were superior to those of the white devil.


Besides, everyone knows the best way to communicate is to tip the dealer and engage in conversation over a nice game of paigow poker to atone for past transgressions of your barbarian ancestors.

vailpass
05-09-2011, 06:01 PM
That's a pretty insulting comment about historical native american early communication techniques that were superior to those of the white devil.


Besides, everyone knows the best way to communicate is to tip the dealer and engage in conversation over a nice game of paigow poker to atone for past transgressions of your barbarian ancestors.

LMAO

Mr. Kotter
05-10-2011, 10:57 AM
Are you trying to seriously say that Harry Truman NEVER killed any innocent civilians? Never killed any innocent women and children urban dwellers?

More women and children were killed with ONE BOMB at Hiroshima than the total number of settlers killed in ALL Indian wars PLUS the total number of persons killed on 9/11. Perhaps, based upon your rationale, OBL code = "HARRY" would have been more appropriate. It would have described OBL better anyway (hairy. . .beard, get it?)

:spock:

As if there is a moral equivalence between an international terrorist, and a democratically elected President whose job it was to end a horrible war--and, in the process, save hundreds of thousands of American troops, and potentially a million or more Japanese who would have perished in an invasion of the Japanese mainland.

Spare us the righteous indignation, Cochise....stop wasting your time and ours, and piss off.

LMAO

Fruit Ninja
05-10-2011, 01:01 PM
lol, this just proves people like to bitch, just to bitch.

I dont know why i ventured to this area, but i did. SHame on me.

vailpass
05-10-2011, 01:06 PM
lol, this just proves people like to bitch, just to bitch.

I dont know why i ventured to this area, but i did. SHame on me.

GTFO of this cesspool while you can kcxiv.

Comanche
05-11-2011, 10:29 AM
Uh, WTF? I never said anything like that. As a matter of fact I said the people you named were never wanted by our govt. Like it or not, geronimo was a wanted man for his murderous crimes by the united states for awhile.

Under Franklin D. Roosevelt's administration, the United State's Air Force combined with the RAF to carpet bomb the city of Dresden. Listed below are the comments of a survivor of that attack. Perhaps this is what you meant by "murderous crimes."

To my left I suddenly see a woman. I can see her to this day and shall never forget it. She carries a bundle in her arms. It is a baby. She runs, she falls, and the child flies in an arc into the fire.

Suddenly, I saw people again, right in front of me. They scream and gesticulate with their hands, and then — to my utter horror and amazement — I see how one after the other they simply seem to let themselves drop to the ground. (Today I know that these unfortunate people were the victims of lack of oxygen). They fainted and then burnt to cinders.

Insane fear grips me and from then on I repeat one simple sentence to myself continuously: "I don't want to burn to death". I do not know how many people I fell over. I know only one thing: that I must not burn.


—Margaret Freyer, survivor.

Comanche
05-11-2011, 10:37 AM
:spock:

As if there is a moral equivalence between an international terrorist, and a democratically elected President whose job it was to end a horrible war--and, in the process, save hundreds of thousands of American troops, and potentially a million or more Japanese who would have perished in an invasion of the Japanese mainland.

Spare us the righteous indignation, Cochise....stop wasting your time and ours, and piss off.

LMAO

You're right, there is no "moral equivalence" between a Native American fighting to defend his own people, on his own land, hidden away in remote mountain ranges and a United State president who rained explosive fire at random non military targets in a foreign urban population center. So YOU "piss off."

Japan was virtually defeated without the bomb anyway. It was in the interest of Truman to expedite the occupation of Japan in order to prevent the incursion of the Soviets. Your assertion that dropping atomic bombs in two urban population centers SAVED civilian lives is unsubstantiated and ridiculous.

vailpass
05-11-2011, 10:42 AM
You're right, there is no "moral equivalence" between a Native American fighting to defend his own people, on his own land, hidden away in remote mountain ranges and a United State president who rained explosive fire at random non military targets in a foreign urban population center. So YOU "piss off."

You STILL haven't figured out nobody cares even a little bit about any of this?

ClevelandBronco
05-11-2011, 11:47 AM
Under Franklin D. Roosevelt's administration, the United State's Air Force combined with the RAF to carpet bomb the city of Dresden...

Japan was virtually defeated without the bomb anyway.

Fine victories. Air warriors with thunder balls counted much coup.

Comanche
05-13-2011, 03:00 PM
You STILL haven't figured out nobody cares even a little bit about any of this?

You STILL haven't figured out that you continue to follow the thread and post on it even though supposedly you "don't care a little bit about it." Please.

Donger
05-13-2011, 03:28 PM
Japan was virtually defeated without the bomb anyway. It was in the interest of Truman to expedite the occupation of Japan in order to prevent the incursion of the Soviets. Your assertion that dropping atomic bombs in two urban population centers SAVED civilian lives is unsubstantiated and ridiculous.

It most certainly did. We would have had to invade the home islands without the bomb.

Iowanian
05-13-2011, 04:24 PM
As the gun crew on an AC130 finds themselves mowing down a long row of AlQ marching in a desert that were located with intelligence from "geronimo" raid, I hope they sing

"One little Two Little, 3 Little Indians....Four little, five little six little indians...."

Jaric
05-13-2011, 04:53 PM
It most certainly did. We would have had to invade the home islands without the bomb.

From what I understand the department of defense, in anticipation of a land invasion of Japan ordered so many purple hearts that we've only recently run out of them. That's fucking staggering if you stop and think about it.

And I completely believe it too. Bushido is serious business.

Mr. Kotter
05-13-2011, 09:50 PM
Comanche = ignorant douchebag

Sorry, others; end of thread. :shrug:

Really. After his "post-IwoJima" ignorance showed its ugliness. Just sayin'. :shrug:

Mr. Kotter
05-13-2011, 09:53 PM
As the gun crew on an AC130 finds themselves mowing down a long row of AlQ marching in a desert that were located with intelligence from "geronimo" raid, I hope they sing

"One little Two Little, 3 Little Indians....Four little, five little six little indians...."

LMAO LMAO LMAO

orange
05-17-2011, 12:22 PM
Er, um...

"It was over in a matter of seconds.

Back at the White House Situation Room, word was relayed that bin Laden had been found, signaled by the code word “Geronimo.” That was not bin Laden’s code name, but rather a representation of the letter “G.” Each step of the mission was labeled alphabetically, and “Geronimo” meant that the raiders had reached step “G,” the killing or capture of bin Laden, two officials said."

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/05/ap-raiders-knew-mission-a-one-shot-deal-051711/

Now, back to your regularly-scheduled outrage.

Radar Chief
05-17-2011, 12:36 PM
Er, um...

"It was over in a matter of seconds.

Back at the White House Situation Room, word was relayed that bin Laden had been found, signaled by the code word “Geronimo.” That was not bin Laden’s code name, but rather a representation of the letter “G.” Each step of the mission was labeled alphabetically, and “Geronimo” meant that the raiders had reached step “G,” the killing or capture of bin Laden, two officials said."

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/05/ap-raiders-knew-mission-a-one-shot-deal-051711/

Now, back to your regularly-scheduled outrage.

Hmm, weird. Typically “G” = “golf” but whatever. I still don’t care.

orange
05-17-2011, 12:44 PM
Hmm, weird. Typically “G” = “golf” but whatever. I still don’t care.

Obama is getting a little touchy about the word "golf."

RedNeckRaider
05-17-2011, 12:49 PM
Er, um...

"It was over in a matter of seconds.

Back at the White House Situation Room, word was relayed that bin Laden had been found, signaled by the code word “Geronimo.” That was not bin Laden’s code name, but rather a representation of the letter “G.” Each step of the mission was labeled alphabetically, and “Geronimo” meant that the raiders had reached step “G,” the killing or capture of bin Laden, two officials said."

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/05/ap-raiders-knew-mission-a-one-shot-deal-051711/

Now, back to your regularly-scheduled outrage.
Half white man speak with fork tongue~

mlyonsd
05-17-2011, 01:01 PM
Obama is getting a little touchy about the word "golf."Okay, that's funny.

vailpass
05-17-2011, 01:06 PM
Er, um...

"It was over in a matter of seconds.

Back at the White House Situation Room, word was relayed that bin Laden had been found, signaled by the code word “Geronimo.” That was not bin Laden’s code name, but rather a representation of the letter “G.” Each step of the mission was labeled alphabetically, and “Geronimo” meant that the raiders had reached step “G,” the killing or capture of bin Laden, two officials said."

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/05/ap-raiders-knew-mission-a-one-shot-deal-051711/

Now, back to your regularly-scheduled outrage.

Geronimo for G? Not.

*edit* Radarchief beat me to it.

Comanche
06-01-2011, 06:44 AM
Fine victories. Air warriors with thunder balls counted much coup.

Stop being a hater. Your childish attempts at humor aren't funny.

Comanche
06-01-2011, 06:52 AM
It most certainly did. We would have had to invade the home islands without the bomb.

It most certainly DID NOT! The Japanese were in negotiations to surrender BEFORE the bombs were dropped. The bombs were dropped simply to send a message to Russia. The Japanese navy was virtually powerless. The Japanese air power was almost non existent. Japan is a SMALL ISLAND. It doesn't and didn't have the capacity to generate it's own food supply. Japan could easily have been isolated into submission although that would not have been needed.

There was NEVER a need to "invade" the home island. No, THOUSANDS of innocent civilians were killed needlessly. Even to say that engaging the military troupes on the beaches would have cost as many civilian lives as dropping atomic bombs on major urban centers is a joke. Read a little history.

Comanche
06-01-2011, 06:54 AM
As the gun crew on an AC130 finds themselves mowing down a long row of AlQ marching in a desert that were located with intelligence from "geronimo" raid, I hope they sing

"One little Two Little, 3 Little Indians....Four little, five little six little indians...."

Your attempt at humor only reveals your bigoted ignorance. Stop being a hater.

Comanche
06-01-2011, 06:56 AM
From what I understand the department of defense, in anticipation of a land invasion of Japan ordered so many purple hearts that we've only recently run out of them. That's ****ing staggering if you stop and think about it.

And I completely believe it too. Bushido is serious business.

What is "staggering" is that only now the truth is being revealed that the Japanese were BEGGING to surrender BEFORE the bombs were dropped.

Comanche
06-01-2011, 06:58 AM
Comanche = ignorant douchebag

Sorry, others; end of thread. :shrug:

Really. After his "post-IwoJima" ignorance showed its ugliness. Just sayin'. :shrug:

Obviously name calling is all you got after you have been intellectually "SCHOOLED."

Comanche
06-01-2011, 07:02 AM
Er, um...

"It was over in a matter of seconds.

Back at the White House Situation Room, word was relayed that bin Laden had been found, signaled by the code word “Geronimo.” That was not bin Laden’s code name, but rather a representation of the letter “G.” Each step of the mission was labeled alphabetically, and “Geronimo” meant that the raiders had reached step “G,” the killing or capture of bin Laden, two officials said."

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/05/ap-raiders-knew-mission-a-one-shot-deal-051711/

Now, back to your regularly-scheduled outrage.

Er, um. . .

Apparently you missed the television reference FROM THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF that the name of the great Native American hero was used as the code word for Bin Laden. Please keep up.

blaise
06-01-2011, 07:04 AM
Holy shit, dude. Let it fucking go.

Comanche
06-01-2011, 07:04 AM
Half white man speak with fork tongue~

Not funny. Stop being a hater.

Comanche
06-01-2011, 07:09 AM
Holy shit, dude. Let it ****ing go.

Holy shit, dude what difference does it make to you!? After all, YOU opened the thread so YOU need to "Let it ****ing go."

blaise
06-01-2011, 07:16 AM
Holy shit, dude what difference does it make to you!? After all, YOU opened the thread so YOU need to "Let it ****ing go."

Yes, let's all continue to be outraged over this. You're doing a great job reminding people that we should associate Geronimo with Bin Laden. I had almost forgot, and I'm so glad you're here to keep telling everyone, "Associate Bin Laden with Geronimo! Associate Bin Laden with Geronimo!"

Just keep bumping the thread and spazzing out every few weeks.

Iowanian
06-01-2011, 07:34 AM
Your attempt at humor only reveals your bigoted ignorance. Stop being a hater.

I don't hate, I just happen to think on this particular subject, your actions indicate that your pussy is molting.

Bob Dole
06-01-2011, 07:42 AM
From what I understand the department of defense, in anticipation of a land invasion of Japan ordered so many purple hearts that we've only recently run out of them. That's ****ing staggering if you stop and think about it.


Pretty interesting article about that from 2000.

http://beta2.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/2000/8/2000_8_81.shtml

Otter
06-01-2011, 08:51 AM
I don't hate, I just happen to think on this particular subject, your actions indicate that your pussy is molting.

This sums up my opinion pretty well. I love reading about and respect the history of American Indians especially the Apache Tribe and their guerrilla tactics which were amazing. They were ahead of their own time as far as warriors but you're just being a sore vagina pussy looking for something to complain about.

mikey23545
06-01-2011, 09:06 AM
What is "staggering" is that only now the truth is being revealed that the Japanese were BEGGING to surrender BEFORE the bombs were dropped.

OMG...Yes, the same culture that spawned Kamikaze fighters, and fought to the death on every Pacific island larger than a postage stamp, was ready to roll belly up once we tried to invade their own homeland...LMAO

Where do you ignorant fucktards get this kind of shit?

LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

Jaric
06-01-2011, 10:27 AM
What is "staggering" is that only now the truth is being revealed that the Japanese were BEGGING to surrender BEFORE the bombs were dropped.

Dear lord I just saw this.

Are you familiar with the word "Bushido?"

I'm guessing based on this post that answer is "no."

Iowanian
06-01-2011, 10:31 AM
Dear lord I just saw this.

Are you familiar with the word "Bushido?"

I'm guessing based on this post that answer is "no."

Cumanche is more familiar with Bukake.

vailpass
06-01-2011, 11:08 AM
It most certainly DID NOT! The Japanese were in negotiations to surrender BEFORE the bombs were dropped. The bombs were dropped simply to send a message to Russia. The Japanese navy was virtually powerless. The Japanese air power was almost non existent. Japan is a SMALL ISLAND. It doesn't and didn't have the capacity to generate it's own food supply. Japan could easily have been isolated into submission although that would not have been needed.

There was NEVER a need to "invade" the home island. No, THOUSANDS of innocent civilians were killed needlessly. Even to say that engaging the military troupes on the beaches would have cost as many civilian lives as dropping atomic bombs on major urban centers is a joke. Read a little history.

You've gone off the reservation.

Otter
06-01-2011, 11:22 AM
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Comanche
06-02-2011, 07:13 AM
This sums up my opinion pretty well. I love reading about and respect the history of American Indians especially the Apache Tribe and their guerrilla tactics which were amazing. They were ahead of their own time as far as warriors but you're just being a sore vagina pussy looking for something to complain about.

. . .and YOU are just another Internet Coward. You are just another childish individual who resorts to name calling when you have no game. You sent a cowardly PM accused me of not being aware of history. Now you can read excerpts from letters detailing the accounts of American military brutality at the turn of the century in the Philippines.

Private Fred B. Hinchman, Company A, United States Engineers, writes from Manila, February 22d:
" I met one of our company, who told me that the Fourteenth and Washingtons were driving all before them, and taking no prisoners. This is now our rule of procedure. "

Another soldier in the Nebraska regiment:
"We came here to help, not to slaughter, these natives; to fight the oppressor Spain, not the oppressed."

Charles Bremer, of Minneapolis, Kansas, describing the fight at Caloocan:
"There occurred the hardest sight I ever saw. They had four prisoners, and didn't know what to do with them. They asked Captain Bishop what to do, and he said: 'You know the orders,' and four natives fell dead."

Ellis G. Davis, Company A, 20th Kansas:
"They will never surrender until their whole race is exterminated. They are fighting for a good cause, and the Americans should be the last of all nations to transgress upon such rights. Their independence is dearer to them than life, as ours was in years gone by, and is today."

Arthur Minkler, of the Kansas Regiment, says:
" I suppose you are not interested in the way we do the job. We take no prisoners. At least the Twentieth Kansas do not."

Captain Elliott, of the Kansas Regiment, February 27th:
"Caloocan was supposed to contain seventeen thousand inhabitants. The Twentieth Kansas swept through it, and now Caloocan contains not one living native. You can only faintly imagine this terrible scene of desolation.

Leonard F. Adams, of Ozark, in the Washington Regiment:
"I don't know how many men, women, and children the Tennessee boys did kill. They would not take any prisoners. One company of the Tennessee boys was sent to headquarters with thirty prisoners, and got there with about a hundred chickens and no prisoners."

Theodore Conley, of a Kansas Regiment:
"Talk about dead indians! Why, they are lying everywhere. Honest to God, I feel sorry for them."

A private from the Miami County Kansas Regiment:
"To shoot a man at six feet range with a Springfield rifle is a hard thing to do, but the orders were to let no insurgent live, and off would go the whole side of his head."

Anthony Michea, of the Third Artillery:
"We bombarded a place called Malabon, and then we went in and killed every native we met, men, women, and children. It was a dreadful sight, the killing of the poor creatures."

A private of Company H of the First Regiment, Washington State Volunteers:
"We will soon round them up and kill them all off. No more prisoners. "

Rev. C. F. Dole writes:
"I have a letter from a father in another State whose son is a soldier at Manila:
"I don't think I would miss the truth if I said more non-combatants have been killed than actual native soldiers. But it is a fact that the order was not to take a prisoner, and I have seen enough to almost make me ashamed to call myself an American.'"

Private Ruppenthal, Company M, Twentieth Kansas:
"Have been in numerous battles and skirmishes since February 4th, and with my own hand set fire to over fifty houses of Filipinos after the victory at Caloocan. Women and children were wounded by our fire."

Comanche
06-02-2011, 07:16 AM
Comanche is more familiar with (censored).

You are just a crude hater.

blaise
06-02-2011, 07:16 AM
Geronimo is Bin Laden.

blaise
06-02-2011, 07:18 AM
The code word didn't make me associate Geronimo with Bin Laden, but this thread makes me associate Geronimo with hypersensitive whining.

Radar Chief
06-02-2011, 07:27 AM
You are just a crude hater.

You do realize you’re the monkey in a cage hanging over the bar that people are taking turns poking sharpened sticks at just to watch you squeal, right?
If you’re looking for sympathy you’d be better served checking the dictionary between “shit” and “syphilis”.

Comanche
06-02-2011, 07:27 AM
OMG...Yes, the same culture that spawned Kamikaze fighters, and fought to the death on every Pacific island larger than a postage stamp, was ready to roll belly up once we tried to invade their own homeland...LMAO

Where do you ignorant ****tards get this kind of shit?

LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

So, are you calling Eisenhower an "ignorant ****tards?" Grow up and learn something for a change.

"...in [July] 1945... Secretary of War Stimson, visiting my headquarters in Germany, informed me that our government was preparing to drop an atomic bomb on Japan. I was one of those who felt that there were a number of cogent reasons to question the wisdom of such an act. ...the Secretary, upon giving me the news of the successful bomb test in New Mexico, and of the plan for using it, asked for my reaction, apparently expecting a vigorous assent.

"During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face'. The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude..."

- Dwight Eisenhower, Mandate For Change, pg. 380

In a Newsweek interview, Eisenhower again recalled the meeting with Stimson:

"...the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing."

- Ike on Ike, Newsweek, 11/11/63

Comanche
06-02-2011, 07:30 AM
You've gone off the reservation.

Bigot.

Otter
06-02-2011, 07:52 AM
. . .and YOU are just another Internet Coward. You are just another childish individual who resorts to name calling when you have no game. You sent a cowardly PM accused me of not being aware of history. Now you can read excerpts from letters detailing the accounts of American military brutality at the turn of the century in the Philippines.

That wasn't a PM it was a rep comment, quiet the difference. Don't worry, I'm done with you.

ClevelandBronco
06-02-2011, 10:38 AM
Geronimo couldn't grow a beard to save his terrorist ass. Probably a testosterone deficiency.

vailpass
06-02-2011, 10:41 AM
Bigot.

It's no wonder we were able to conquer your people, take your land and relegate your tribes to isolated and undesirable locations. Apparently you are cry babies.

Comanche
06-02-2011, 01:23 PM
Geronimo couldn't grow a beard to save his terrorist ass. Probably a testosterone deficiency.

Another racist comment from a hater.

Comanche
06-02-2011, 01:25 PM
It's no wonder we were able to conquer your people, take your land and relegate your tribes to isolated and undesirable locations. Apparently you are cry babies.

Bigot.

vailpass
06-02-2011, 01:26 PM
Bigot.

Yes! You are counting some major coup in here today eh bro?

Comanche
06-02-2011, 01:28 PM
The code word didn't make me associate Geronimo with Bin Laden, but this thread makes me associate Geronimo with hypersensitive whining.

Holy shit, dude. Let it ****ing go.

Comanche
06-02-2011, 01:29 PM
Yes! You are counting some major coup in here today eh bro?

Bigot.

vailpass
06-02-2011, 01:30 PM
Holy shit, dude. Let it ****ing go.

What is the comanche word for 'irony'?