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ForeverChiefs58
05-04-2011, 11:08 PM
Report highlights Iran force's Al-Qaeda links

WASHINGTON (AFP) – A Congressional panel released a report Wednesday that alleges that Iran's elite Al-Quds force offers support to Al-Qaeda, adding a new dimension to the militant threat to the United States.

In its report to the Congressional Anti-Terrorism Caucus, the strategic advisory firm Kronos highlighted what it says are increasingly strong links between the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps force and Al-Qaeda.

The report was released by the caucus after US troops killed Osama bin Laden in a raid in Pakistan that raised fresh doubts about Pakistan's willingness or ability to track down Al-Qaeda suspects.

"Iran has quietly forged a strong working relationship with core al-Qaeda leaders," said the report's author Michael S. Smith II.

"This relationship has been established to counter American influence in the Middle East and South Asia," according to his report.

"Through it, Iran will likely also help Al-Qaeda mobilize terrorists to carry out attacks against the US and our allies, providing the support required to extend Al-Qaeda's operational reach," the report added.

Smith argued that not enough attention has been paid to the links between the two entities because of a "pervasive" belief that Shiite and non-Arab Iran will work with the Sunni Arab militants of Al-Qaeda.

The ties date back to the 1990s when Al-Quds members worked with the Iranian-backed Hezbollah to train and equip bin Laden's holy warriors. He cites the 9/11 Commission Report for operational linkages between the two.

"Since 9/11, these partnerships have become all the more pronounced. Hundreds of al-Qaeda members, along with family members of core al-Qaeda leaders like Osama bin Laden, have found refuge inside Iran," he wrote.

In appealing for US policy makers to address the links, Smith warned that "if left unchecked, Iran's relationship with Al-Qaeda could cost America and our allies dearly."

The congressional caucus's Andy Polk said in an email to AFP that: "With the death of Bin Laden, and with Iran's Quds Force being listed as part of the new sanctions against Syria, this is an interesting and timely report."

Smith told AFP that a member of the House of Representative's permanent select committee on intelligence indicated there is "mounting interest" in the apparent links between Al-Quds and Al-Qaeda.

The member, who he did not name, suggested that Kronos could help by presenting a report about that relationship based on open-source materials, one that could be discussed with intelligence and defense officials.

Later, he said, a caucus representative contacted him and offered to distribute such a report to the nearly 100 members of Congress affiliated with the ATC.

Link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110505/wl_mideast_afp/usattacksirancongress

Chocolate Hog
05-05-2011, 12:22 AM
Bang that war drum!

KILLER_CLOWN
05-05-2011, 02:41 AM
Iran's ties to Al-Qaeda...zero They are enemies.

patteeu
05-05-2011, 02:51 AM
The Iranians are just misunderstood. /BEP, billay, and other assorted vaporheads.

Chocolate Hog
05-05-2011, 03:58 AM
The Iranians are just misunderstood. /BEP, billay, and other assorted vaporheads.

Did you find those WMD's in Iraq yet?

ForeverChiefs58
05-05-2011, 07:06 AM
Iran's ties to Al-Qaeda...zero They are enemies.

they are frenemies.

ForeverChiefs58
05-05-2011, 07:20 AM
Iran's ties to Al-Qaeda...zero They are enemies.

hating jews, the western world and believing in a holy jihad. They might argue over who will wear the suicide vest, but there is a lot of common ground there.

Amnorix
05-05-2011, 07:21 AM
I read a fascinating report that basically was saying that Hizbollah is massively funded by Iran, through Syria, which is one reason why Iran is goign to stoutly defend/support Syria through it's domestic troubles. They want/need to keep that pipeline.

The report was laying ALOT of blame for a ton of stuff around the ME right at Iran's doorstep.

patteeu
05-05-2011, 07:39 AM
I read a fascinating report that basically was saying that Hizbollah is massively funded by Iran, through Syria, which is one reason why Iran is goign to stoutly defend/support Syria through it's domestic troubles. They want/need to keep that pipeline.

The report was laying ALOT of blame for a ton of stuff around the ME right at Iran's doorstep.

I think Iran was the big prize all along, even when the Bush administration decided to target Iraq. Although, when I say that I don't necessarily mean that invasion was the idea.

ForeverChiefs58
05-05-2011, 07:47 AM
I read a fascinating report that basically was saying that Hizbollah is massively funded by Iran, through Syria, which is one reason why Iran is goign to stoutly defend/support Syria through it's domestic troubles. They want/need to keep that pipeline.

The report was laying ALOT of blame for a ton of stuff around the ME right at Iran's doorstep.

Iran funds hundreds of millions of dollars to many terrorists groups like Hamas and Hezbollah each year.

Iran would send money to anyone who would want to destroy israel.

Iran and iraq were bitter enemies too, yet Sadaam would publically state he would pay the families of suicide bombers in israel a large reward. That is called common ground.

BucEyedPea
05-05-2011, 08:53 AM
Here we go again. War #4 on the horizon with false reports planted in the press.
Al Qaeda is the govt of Iran's enemy. Iran is Shia. AQ is Sunni.
We actually helped Iran by going into Afghanistan.


You can tell there's a R majority again in congress.

ROYC75
05-05-2011, 09:00 AM
Why is none of this surprising ?:shrug:

BucEyedPea
05-05-2011, 09:14 AM
Why is none of this surprising ?:shrug:

I wouldn't necessarily believe that. It doesn't fit if one knows that AQ has been Iran's enemy.
We need more healthy skepticism from the right these days.

ROYC75
05-05-2011, 09:17 AM
I wouldn't necessarily believe that. It doesn't fit if one knows that AQ has been Iran's enemy.
We need more healthy skepticism from the right these days.

Iran has a lot to gain if America crumbles, but also has a lot to loose if this information is true.

BucEyedPea
05-05-2011, 09:36 AM
Iran has a lot to gain if America crumbles, but also has a lot to loose if this information is true.

America is not going to crumble due to Iran. It's not a superpower and it's not that strong a country. No where near what the former USSR was.
The US is already crumbling inside due to: corrupt leadership, lack of Constitutional restraints, over spending and the AQ strategy of drawing us into more Muslim countries until we go bankrupt. Plus Iran has more influence in Iraq since we invaded it. All superpowers ended the same way. It has got to stop. I wish the right would not heed such manipulation to their emotions only.

There's always been a Sunni Shia divide over there, so Iran won't gain much. The areas is too divided. Perhaps just more influence in their own back yard but not over here.

ROYC75
05-05-2011, 09:44 AM
America is not going to crumble due to Iran.

I knew this much. From within, very possible.

The USSR got sucked into a 10 year war and look where it got them? From within, they exploded.

Will we follow ? Only the powers to be have that control.

ForeverChiefs58
05-05-2011, 10:21 AM
Here we go again. War #4 on the horizon with false reports planted in the press.
Al Qaeda is the govt of Iran's enemy. Iran is Shia. AQ is Sunni.
We actually helped Iran by going into Afghanistan.


You can tell there's a R majority again in congress.

You know why Iran would give shelter to OBL's family?

Why Saadam would talk publically about paying the families of Shias, funded by iran, for killing jews?

Answer is the mutual hatred for jews, and common goal of destuction of israel and that land given to palestinians. I am only repeating what everyone over there knows is as common knowledge as water is wet.

Most muslim countries will do a lot of double talk to outsiders, so you have to understand the underlying hatred for their common enemy. They don't spend every single day talking about their hatred for eachother, but they do spend everyday talking about their hatred for jews. On TV, radio, books, magazines, newspapers, schools, preachers, and talk on the street all focuses on "resisting" and getting rid of jews. Those are the ties that bind them together.

ForeverChiefs58
05-05-2011, 11:21 AM
The Islamic Republic of Iran is widely recognized as the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism, providing funds, training and weapons to terrorist groups including Hezbollah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), Hamas and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC). Iran also assists both Shia and Sunni groups in Iraq and the Taliban in Afghanistan. Additionally, Iran has said it will share its nuclear know-how with Islamic countries or groups as it pursues nuclear technology in defiance of the U.N. Security Council.

vailpass
05-05-2011, 11:29 AM
Here we go again. War #4 on the horizon with false reports planted in the press.
Al Qaeda is the govt of Iran's enemy. Iran is Shia. AQ is Sunni.
We actually helped Iran by going into Afghanistan.


You can tell there's a R majority again in congress.

Blaming the Rs?
Haven't you heard? obama is now a Hawk.

ForeverChiefs58
05-05-2011, 11:45 AM
Iran: Breakdown of Financial Backing for Terrorist Groups

Iran funds terrorist groups in the following manner:

•Hamas: $30 million annually from 1993 – 2006, as well as several hundred million yearly between 2006 and 2009. Iran has also trained almost 1,000 Hamas terrorists in Iran, supporting their travel to Iran through Syria and providing instruction in rockets and bombs, tactical warfare, weapons operation and sniper tactics. Following a November 2006 visit to Iran by Hamas leaders, $250 million was pledged to help the Hamas regime deal with the Israeli embargo. Iran provides the vast majority of Hamas’ weaponry. Following the Israeli offensive against Hamas in Feb. 2009, Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal visited Tehran praising it for aiding its "victory." In August 2009, Meshaal stated that post-election violence in Iran should not hinder Ahmadinejad’s support for Hamas.

•Hezbollah: Over $200 million a year, plus a reported $300 million after the Hezbollah-Israel war in the summer of 2006. The U.S. State Department's 2009 annual terrorism report states that Iran has provided "hundreds of millions of dollars" in support to Hezbollah, and has trained thousands of Hezbollah fighters at camps in Iran. At least 4,500 Hezbollah operatives have received intensive training from Iran. In violation of United Nations Resolution 1701, Iran has re-supplied the Shia terror group with Katyusha rockets, surface-to-air rockets and anti-tank weapons; Hezbollah moreover provides training camps and financial assistance to Hamas. In an interview given to an Iranian news agency, Hezbollah's leader that his group would continue to be "obedient" to Iran. In June 2008, the US Treasury Department designated a number of Venezuelans as aiding Iran's financial network backing Hezbollah through this South American country.

•Armed Forces of Columbia (FARC): Iranian terrorists allegedly trained with FARC guerillas. The 2007 U.S. government’s terrorism Country Reports highlighted Iran’s close ties to Venezuela as cause for concern due to President Hugo Chavez’s ‘ideological sympathy’ for regional terror groups, which previously resulted in illicit arms smuggling and drug deals.

•Iraq insurgents: $3 million monthly. Insurgents regularly receive intensive training in Iran. Iran provides explosively formed penetrators and other advanced weaponry (EFP). Weapons captured from both Shia and Sunni groups bear markings of Iranian manufacture.
"Despite its pledge to support the stabilization of Iraq, Iranian authorities continued to provide lethal support, including weapons, training, funding, and guidance, to Iraqi Shia militant groups that targeted U.S. and Iraqi forces," according to a 2009 U.S. State Department terror report.

"Iran's Qods Force continued to supply Iraqi militants with Iranian-produced advanced rockets, sniper rifles, automatic weapons, and mortars that have killed Iraqi and coalition Forces, as well as civilians," according to the U.S. State Department report. "The Qods Force, in concert with Lebanese Hezbollah, provided training outside of Iraq and advisors inside Iraq for Shia militants in the construction and use of sophisticated improvised explosive device technology and other advanced weaponry."

•Palestinian Islamic Jihad: In April 2006 Iran reportedly transferred almost $2 million to the militant group.

•Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command: No direct funding, but the terrorist organization runs Iranian training camps in Syria and Lebanon.

•Taliban: Iran's Qods Force provided training to the Taliban in Afghanistan on small unit tactics, small arms, explosives, and indirect fire weapons, according to a U.S. State Department terror report. Since at least 2006, Iran has arranged arms shipments to select Taliban members, including small arms and associated ammunition, rocket propelled grenades, mortar rounds, 107mm rockets, and plastic explosives, according to the 2009 U.S. State Department report.

Iran has provided rocket-propelled grenades, C-4 explosives, 107mm mortars, small arms and surface-to-air missiles.

•Provisional Irish Republican Army: Iran plotted in the early 1990s to aid the Provisional IRA with guns, drugs and money, though this was intercepted by British intelligence.

•Bosnia-Herzegovina: During the 1990s, Iran sent arms to the Muslim-led Bosnian government, a move that violated a United Nations embargo prohibiting armament of parties involved in the civil war. The Bosnian prime minister visited Iran in 1996, at which time he said his country would always remember the ‘aid’ sent by Iran. In addition, between 2004 and 2007 over 300 Iranian operatives reportedly entered Bosnia-Herzegovina to aid Muslim fighters.

patteeu
05-05-2011, 12:41 PM
Here we go again. War #4 on the horizon with false reports planted in the press.
Al Qaeda is the govt of Iran's enemy. Iran is Shia. AQ is Sunni.
We actually helped Iran by going into Afghanistan.


You can tell there's a R majority again in congress.

Did you hear this in your local grocery store?

patteeu
05-05-2011, 12:48 PM
I wouldn't necessarily believe that. It doesn't fit if one knows that AQ has been Iran's enemy.
We need more healthy skepticism from the right these days.

Vietnam and the US couldn't possibly cooperate and establish a trade relationship. Anyone who knows that Vietnam and the US have been enemies would know this.

patteeu
05-05-2011, 12:55 PM
Iran has a lot to gain if America crumbles, but also has a lot to loose if this information is true.

They don't have anything to lose. We've known they were working with our enemies in Iraq and Afghanistan for years now and we haven't done anything. We're not going to do anything about it now either. We're not going to do anything about Pakistan's coddling of our enemies either.

Amnorix
05-05-2011, 01:06 PM
Another item of note in the report I read was that Israel is barely being restrained from kicking Lebanon's ass due to repeated missile attacks, etc. The concern was that if Israel does it, it could dramatically affect (in a negative way) elections in Egypt and the Arab Spring in general.

Not sure how accurate the report is, of course, but figured I'd pass that last little tidbit along.

ROYC75
05-05-2011, 03:05 PM
They don't have anything to lose. We've known they were working with our enemies in Iraq and Afghanistan for years now and we haven't done anything. We're not going to do anything about it now either. We're not going to do anything about Pakistan's coddling of our enemies either.

So turning a blind eye and a deaf ear while American soldiers are killed in these conflicts is proper? We either need to address this or get the hell out!

patteeu
05-05-2011, 03:08 PM
So turning a blind eye and a deaf ear while American soldiers are killed in these conflicts is proper? We either need to address this or get the hell out!

I'm not saying it's proper. I'm just making a prediction. Part of the problem is our current President, but the bigger problem is that the people of the US have no stomach for seeing these things through.

ROYC75
05-05-2011, 03:16 PM
I'm not saying it's proper. I'm just making a prediction. Part of the problem is our current President, but the bigger problem is that the people of the US have no stomach for seeing these things through.


This is true, we kiss the other countries butts to get along and our people do not like the conflict.

Better to pull up strings, bring our boys home, leave the other countries alone and take care of our own.


No wait, we need the oil!:deevee:

go bowe
05-05-2011, 03:32 PM
hating jews, the western world and believing in a holy jihad. They might argue over who will wear the suicide vest, but there is a lot of common ground there.
i don't remember exactly when the last iranian suicide bomber struck...

while iran supports terrorists with money and arms, it doesn't actively engage in "jihad" itself...

their support of palestinian terrorists arises more from their geopolitical goals than their ideological goals, although the two are obviously intertwined...

go bowe
05-05-2011, 03:43 PM
The Islamic Republic of Iran is widely recognized as the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism, providing funds, training and weapons to terrorist groups including Hezbollah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), Hamas and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC). Iran also assists both Shia and Sunni groups in Iraq and the Taliban in Afghanistan. Additionally, Iran has said it will share its nuclear know-how with Islamic countries or groups as it pursues nuclear technology in defiance of the U.N. Security Council.link? source of the bolded part?

it's hard to believe that iran supports sunni groups anywhere...

go bowe
05-05-2011, 03:50 PM
Iran: Breakdown of Financial Backing for Terrorist Groups

Iran funds terrorist groups in the following manner:

•Hamas: $30 million annually from 1993 – 2006, as well as several hundred million yearly between 2006 and 2009. Iran has also trained almost 1,000 Hamas terrorists in Iran, supporting their travel to Iran through Syria and providing instruction in rockets and bombs, tactical warfare, weapons operation and sniper tactics. Following a November 2006 visit to Iran by Hamas leaders, $250 million was pledged to help the Hamas regime deal with the Israeli embargo. Iran provides the vast majority of Hamas’ weaponry. Following the Israeli offensive against Hamas in Feb. 2009, Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal visited Tehran praising it for aiding its "victory." In August 2009, Meshaal stated that post-election violence in Iran should not hinder Ahmadinejad’s support for Hamas.

•Hezbollah: Over $200 million a year, plus a reported $300 million after the Hezbollah-Israel war in the summer of 2006. The U.S. State Department's 2009 annual terrorism report states that Iran has provided "hundreds of millions of dollars" in support to Hezbollah, and has trained thousands of Hezbollah fighters at camps in Iran. At least 4,500 Hezbollah operatives have received intensive training from Iran. In violation of United Nations Resolution 1701, Iran has re-supplied the Shia terror group with Katyusha rockets, surface-to-air rockets and anti-tank weapons; Hezbollah moreover provides training camps and financial assistance to Hamas. In an interview given to an Iranian news agency, Hezbollah's leader that his group would continue to be "obedient" to Iran. In June 2008, the US Treasury Department designated a number of Venezuelans as aiding Iran's financial network backing Hezbollah through this South American country.

•Armed Forces of Columbia (FARC): Iranian terrorists allegedly trained with FARC guerillas. The 2007 U.S. government’s terrorism Country Reports highlighted Iran’s close ties to Venezuela as cause for concern due to President Hugo Chavez’s ‘ideological sympathy’ for regional terror groups, which previously resulted in illicit arms smuggling and drug deals.

•Iraq insurgents: $3 million monthly. Insurgents regularly receive intensive training in Iran. Iran provides explosively formed penetrators and other advanced weaponry (EFP). Weapons captured from both Shia and Sunni groups bear markings of Iranian manufacture.
"Despite its pledge to support the stabilization of Iraq, Iranian authorities continued to provide lethal support, including weapons, training, funding, and guidance, to Iraqi Shia militant groups that targeted U.S. and Iraqi forces," according to a 2009 U.S. State Department terror report.

"Iran's Qods Force continued to supply Iraqi militants with Iranian-produced advanced rockets, sniper rifles, automatic weapons, and mortars that have killed Iraqi and coalition Forces, as well as civilians," according to the U.S. State Department report. "The Qods Force, in concert with Lebanese Hezbollah, provided training outside of Iraq and advisors inside Iraq for Shia militants in the construction and use of sophisticated improvised explosive device technology and other advanced weaponry."

•Palestinian Islamic Jihad: In April 2006 Iran reportedly transferred almost $2 million to the militant group.

•Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command: No direct funding, but the terrorist organization runs Iranian training camps in Syria and Lebanon.

•Taliban: Iran's Qods Force provided training to the Taliban in Afghanistan on small unit tactics, small arms, explosives, and indirect fire weapons, according to a U.S. State Department terror report. Since at least 2006, Iran has arranged arms shipments to select Taliban members, including small arms and associated ammunition, rocket propelled grenades, mortar rounds, 107mm rockets, and plastic explosives, according to the 2009 U.S. State Department report.

Iran has provided rocket-propelled grenades, C-4 explosives, 107mm mortars, small arms and surface-to-air missiles.

•Provisional Irish Republican Army: Iran plotted in the early 1990s to aid the Provisional IRA with guns, drugs and money, though this was intercepted by British intelligence.

•Bosnia-Herzegovina: During the 1990s, Iran sent arms to the Muslim-led Bosnian government, a move that violated a United Nations embargo prohibiting armament of parties involved in the civil war. The Bosnian prime minister visited Iran in 1996, at which time he said his country would always remember the ‘aid’ sent by Iran. In addition, between 2004 and 2007 over 300 Iranian operatives reportedly entered Bosnia-Herzegovina to aid Muslim fighters.
again, could you source these cut and pastes?

where are these assertions coming from?

simply saying so isn't enough when you're talking about specific information and data that if true, should be easily verifiable, you should provide the source of that information...

go bowe
05-05-2011, 03:51 PM
Did you hear this in your local grocery store?no, a friend told her...

go bowe
05-05-2011, 03:55 PM
They don't have anything to lose. We've known they were working with our enemies in Iraq and Afghanistan for years now and we haven't done anything. We're not going to do anything about it now either. We're not going to do anything about Pakistan's coddling of our enemies either.
although i probably can guess, what exactly would you have the government do about iran working with our enemies?

what should we do about pakistan?

go bowe
05-05-2011, 04:03 PM
Another item of note in the report I read was that Israel is barely being restrained from kicking Lebanon's ass due to repeated missile attacks, etc. The concern was that if Israel does it, it could dramatically affect (in a negative way) elections in Egypt and the Arab Spring in general.

Not sure how accurate the report is, of course, but figured I'd pass that last little tidbit along.
taking that notion a bit further, israel might benefit from temporarily freezing settlements in a bid to influence the elections in egypt and improve the perception of israel by other fledgling arab democracies with their own elections coming up...

but i suppose the hard-liners couldn't bring themselves to actually allow arab politics to drive israeli policy, even it that policy would benefit israel in the end...

BucEyedPea
05-05-2011, 04:31 PM
Blaming the Rs?
Haven't you heard? obama is now a Hawk.

Yes I know he is. He started a war in Libya. I still won't vote for an R fpr president with what I'm hearing now. Both parties are War Parties and this thread clearly reveals it. I always said the left has dragged us into more wars and conflicts—but the Rs did get us out of them at some time.

BucEyedPea
05-05-2011, 04:32 PM
Iran: Breakdown of Financial Backing for Terrorist Groups

Iran funds terrorist groups in the following manner:

•Hamas: $30 million annually from 1993 – 2006, as well as several hundred million yearly between 2006 and 2009. Iran has also trained almost 1,000 Hamas terrorists in Iran, supporting their travel to Iran through Syria and providing instruction in rockets and bombs, tactical warfare, weapons operation and sniper tactics. Following a November 2006 visit to Iran by Hamas leaders, $250 million was pledged to help the Hamas regime deal with the Israeli embargo. Iran provides the vast majority of Hamas’ weaponry. Following the Israeli offensive against Hamas in Feb. 2009, Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal visited Tehran praising it for aiding its "victory." In August 2009, Meshaal stated that post-election violence in Iran should not hinder Ahmadinejad’s support for Hamas.

•Hezbollah: Over $200 million a year, plus a reported $300 million after the Hezbollah-Israel war in the summer of 2006. The U.S. State Department's 2009 annual terrorism report states that Iran has provided "hundreds of millions of dollars" in support to Hezbollah, and has trained thousands of Hezbollah fighters at camps in Iran. At least 4,500 Hezbollah operatives have received intensive training from Iran. In violation of United Nations Resolution 1701, Iran has re-supplied the Shia terror group with Katyusha rockets, surface-to-air rockets and anti-tank weapons; Hezbollah moreover provides training camps and financial assistance to Hamas. In an interview given to an Iranian news agency, Hezbollah's leader that his group would continue to be "obedient" to Iran. In June 2008, the US Treasury Department designated a number of Venezuelans as aiding Iran's financial network backing Hezbollah through this South American country.

•Armed Forces of Columbia (FARC): Iranian terrorists allegedly trained with FARC guerillas. The 2007 U.S. government’s terrorism Country Reports highlighted Iran’s close ties to Venezuela as cause for concern due to President Hugo Chavez’s ‘ideological sympathy’ for regional terror groups, which previously resulted in illicit arms smuggling and drug deals.

•Iraq insurgents: $3 million monthly. Insurgents regularly receive intensive training in Iran. Iran provides explosively formed penetrators and other advanced weaponry (EFP). Weapons captured from both Shia and Sunni groups bear markings of Iranian manufacture.
"Despite its pledge to support the stabilization of Iraq, Iranian authorities continued to provide lethal support, including weapons, training, funding, and guidance, to Iraqi Shia militant groups that targeted U.S. and Iraqi forces," according to a 2009 U.S. State Department terror report.

"Iran's Qods Force continued to supply Iraqi militants with Iranian-produced advanced rockets, sniper rifles, automatic weapons, and mortars that have killed Iraqi and coalition Forces, as well as civilians," according to the U.S. State Department report. "The Qods Force, in concert with Lebanese Hezbollah, provided training outside of Iraq and advisors inside Iraq for Shia militants in the construction and use of sophisticated improvised explosive device technology and other advanced weaponry."

•Palestinian Islamic Jihad: In April 2006 Iran reportedly transferred almost $2 million to the militant group.

•Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command: No direct funding, but the terrorist organization runs Iranian training camps in Syria and Lebanon.

•Taliban: Iran's Qods Force provided training to the Taliban in Afghanistan on small unit tactics, small arms, explosives, and indirect fire weapons, according to a U.S. State Department terror report. Since at least 2006, Iran has arranged arms shipments to select Taliban members, including small arms and associated ammunition, rocket propelled grenades, mortar rounds, 107mm rockets, and plastic explosives, according to the 2009 U.S. State Department report.

Iran has provided rocket-propelled grenades, C-4 explosives, 107mm mortars, small arms and surface-to-air missiles.

•Provisional Irish Republican Army: Iran plotted in the early 1990s to aid the Provisional IRA with guns, drugs and money, though this was intercepted by British intelligence.

•Bosnia-Herzegovina: During the 1990s, Iran sent arms to the Muslim-led Bosnian government, a move that violated a United Nations embargo prohibiting armament of parties involved in the civil war. The Bosnian prime minister visited Iran in 1996, at which time he said his country would always remember the ‘aid’ sent by Iran. In addition, between 2004 and 2007 over 300 Iranian operatives reportedly entered Bosnia-Herzegovina to aid Muslim fighters.

None of those do their dirty work here. As for insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan it's not terrorism to fight or resist foreign soldiers in your own country. That's an important distinction. This type of post simply blurs the lines on who attacked here at home and allows for major mission creep.

Chocolate Hog
05-05-2011, 04:38 PM
Patteau what do we give Israel all that money for? They're big boys they can take out the nuclear reactors. They did it once before let them do it again.

patteeu
05-05-2011, 04:39 PM
although i probably can guess, what exactly would you have the government do about iran working with our enemies?

what should we do about pakistan?

I think it's long past time for us to be sending Iran a forceful message whether it's delivered covertly (and maybe this is already happening) or by way of standoff attacks against key targets. The computer viruses are an excellent move but I hope that's not all we're doing.

I don't know what can be done about Pakistan since they're already a nuclear power. While we have pretty good access to their country though, we should be laying the groundwork for potential action in the future that might involve destroying their nuclear capability.

I don't necessarily have a good answer for you, but I've been frustrated with both the Bush administration and the Obama administration for appearing to do almost nothing in response to the overwhelming evidence that Iran is actively aiding the people who are trying to kill our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

patteeu
05-05-2011, 04:42 PM
taking that notion a bit further, israel might benefit from temporarily freezing settlements in a bid to influence the elections in egypt and improve the perception of israel by other fledgling arab democracies with their own elections coming up...

but i suppose the hard-liners couldn't bring themselves to actually allow arab politics to drive israeli policy, even it that policy would benefit israel in the end...

That seems like a pretty good idea to me. I'm against the idea of Israel being required to stop it's settlement practices just to get the palestinians to agree to negotiate, but if a temporary freeze could help produce a positive outcome in some of the events in the surrounding Arab world, that seems like a pretty big payoff.

BucEyedPea
05-05-2011, 05:13 PM
Ahem! That article in the original post has no link to a source. It also says these ties are "alleged."

This is from a year ago but it's on the same source that I relied on for Iraq who turned out to be right instead of relying on govt allegations or the same folks who were wrong about Iraq. It mainly about the the relationship of AQ to Iran.

Report Emphasizes Dubious Iran-al-Qaeda Ties (http://news.antiwar.com/2010/05/13/report-emphasizes-dubious-iran-al-qaeda-ties/)
US Officials Admit Situation Not Well Understood
Sunni fundamentalist al-Qaeda has a long history of open hostility to the Shi’ite Iranian government, so much so that the notion of even an alliance of convenience has long been unfathomable. Al-Qaeda was, after all, Jundallah’s chief ally against Iran before the two groups’ falling out, when the US began supporting Jundallah.

It is perhaps only the ridiculous levels of belligerence US officials have shown toward Iran which gives such rumors any credence: that Iran has become so desperate to hedge against US attack that they’re willing to countenance any potential aid, no matter how unsavory...

The Iranian government has been holding many of the alleged al-Qaeda as detainees for quite some time, and has held members of Osama bin Laden’s family under house arrest. The fact that Osama bin Laden’s 17-year-old daughter was allowed to move from Iran to Syria figures heavily into the claims of collaboration, which underscores just how little concrete information is available on this putative relationship.


Fool me once. Shame on you.
Fool me twice. Shame on me.

ForeverChiefs58
05-05-2011, 05:17 PM
i don't remember exactly when the last iranian suicide bomber struck...

while iran supports terrorists with money and arms, it doesn't actively engage in "jihad" itself...

their support of palestinian terrorists arises more from their geopolitical goals than their ideological goals, although the two are obviously intertwined...

I was attempting to make a funny, but yeah the last iranian suicide bomber that I know of was just a few months ago.
And in case you didn't know, Iran has claimed for years to have over 40,000 trained iranian suicide bombers.

"IRAN has formed battalions of suicide bombers to strike at British and American targets if the nation’s nuclear sites are attacked. According to Iranian officials, 40,000 trained suicide bombers are ready for action.
The main force, named the Special Unit of Martyr Seekers in the Revolutionary Guards, was first seen last month when members marched in a military parade, dressed in olive-green uniforms with explosive packs around their waists and detonators held high."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article706132.ece

Then there was the Iranian book celebrating suicide bombers "In Memory of Our Martyrs" found on the boarder in Arizona this year. It was published in Iran, it consists of short biographies of Islamic suicide bombers and other Islamic militants who died carrying out attacks.

That story should give you goose bumps
Here is a link with video
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/27/iranian-book-celebrating-suicide-bombers-arizona-desert/
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BucEyedPea
05-05-2011, 05:46 PM
might as well as the Tamil Tigers of Sri Lanka.

COLOMBO, Sri Lanka, Feb. 9 -- A suspected female Tamil Tiger suicide bomber blew herself up while she was being frisked by soldiers processing civilians fleeing from Sri Lanka's northern war zone Monday, killing at least 28 people and wounding 60, the military said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/09/AR2009020900525.html

ForeverChiefs58
05-05-2011, 05:56 PM
Ahem! That article in the original post has no link to a source. It also says these ties are "alleged."

This is from a year ago but it's on the same source that I relied on for Iraq who turned out to be right instead of relying on govt allegations or the same folks who were wrong about Iraq. It mainly about the the relationship of AQ to Iran.

Report Emphasizes Dubious Iran-al-Qaeda Ties (http://news.antiwar.com/2010/05/13/report-emphasizes-dubious-iran-al-qaeda-ties/)
US Officials Admit Situation Not Well Understood



Fool me once. Shame on you.
Fool me twice. Shame on me.

I linked it for you, and here is another:

"Former U.S. Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell told CFR.org in June 2007 there is "overwhelming evidence" that Iran supports terrorists in Iraq and "compelling" evidence that it does the same in Afghanistan. Iran has repeatedly denied involvement in attacks on U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, though in October 2008, a top Iranian military commander did acknowledge Iran supplies weapons to "liberation armies" (AP) in the Middle East. Western intelligence officials insist Iran's malfeasance is widespread. According to the State Department's 2010 Country Reports on Terrorism, the IRGC, and more specifically the elite Qods Force, remains Iran's "primary mechanism for cultivating and supporting terrorists abroad." An unclassified Defense Department report on Iran's military power (PDF) from April 2010 made similar claims. And according to declassified intelligence reports released by the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point in October 2008, Iranian support to militants in Iraq has included "paramilitary training, weapons, and equipment" (PDF). Similar meddling is believed to be ongoing in Afghanistan. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen, speaking with journalists in March 2010 in Kabul, said Iran was supplying weapons to fighters in southern Afghanistan."

http://www.cfr.org/iran/state-sponsors-iran/p9362

For months, top U.S. military leaders have accused Iran of supplying weapons and training to Taliban fighters battling American and Afghan troops. What should be done about it is in debate.

Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the former top commander in Afghanistan, said shortly before he resigned last month that there is clear evidence that Iran is arming and training the Taliban.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates said in March that the Iranians were playing a "double game" inside Afghanistan by striving for good relations with Kabul while undermining the U.S. effort. Weeks later, Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said there was evidence that Iran was smuggling weapons into Afghanistan.

The U.S. military has not made public evidence supporting its suspicions, but some analysts say that if the allegations are true, that means Iran and the Taliban are willing to work with a traditional religious Muslim rival to get the Americans.

"If the Taliban is getting support from Iran, they know that it's not out of some love for them," said Mohsen Milani, an Iran scholar at the University of South Florida. "It's only because they are being used as useful idiots to do the dirty work that Iran doesn't want to do itself or that Iran is not capable of doing."

The Taliban is led by Sunni Muslim clerics who imposed harsh Islamic law on Afghanistan until their ouster by a U.S.-led invasion in 2001.

Iran is a nation of largely Shiite Muslims, viewed as apostates by the Taliban.

The relationship between the Taliban and Iran has been violent at times. In 1998, Taliban terrorists abducted and killed 11 Iranian diplomats in Mazar-e-Sharif, and tens of thousands of Afghan refugees fled to Iran during the Taliban's rule.

However, Iran is known to support Sunni organizations. The U.S. State Department says Iran provides funds and weapons to Hamas, the Sunni regime in Gaza designated a terror group by the European Union and the United States. The Pentagon has said Iran has helped link al-Qaeda to other terror groups.

James Phillips, a Middle East analyst at the conservative Heritage Foundation in Washington, said Iran's aid to the Taliban is dwarfed by the amount of arms and financial support flowing to the Taliban from Pakistan, a U.S. ally. But he said it's important for the Obama administration to not ignore Iran's actions.

"At some point, there might be a need for military action against Iran, but it's not going to be over this," Phillips said.

He suggested that instead of a military strike, the United States should consider arming Kurdish separatist groups in Iran or pressing the United Nations to condemn Iran's actions.

"Iran is presenting the United States with [more evidence] to support taking action against them," he said.

Though Iran may be helping the Taliban kill Americans, it would not want to see the Taliban return to power, experts say. And the Taliban doesn't like the idea of Iran gaining influence in western Afghanistan with the country's minority Hazara and Tajik communities, said Gary Sick, a former National Security Council official and a professor at Columbia University.

"They hate each other, but that doesn't mean they won't cooperate on a particular project," he said.

Reuel Marc Gerecht, a former Middle East specialist at the CIA and senior fellow at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies in Washington, agrees that Iran doesn't want a replay of the chaos that followed the Taliban takeover in 1996. But he says Iran has much to gain if it could help push the Americans out.

"The distaste for the Americans being in Afghanistan easily exceeds whatever fears that the Iranians have about a post-American Afghanistan," Gerecht said.

Milani said Iran's leadership strategy may be to inflict "controlled and slow-bleeding" on the U.S. military.

"Iran wants America to bleed a bit, but it does not want the bleeding to be so severe that it would cause retaliation by the U.S., or it would jeopardize the overall situation in Afghanistan or create a serious friction with the (President Hamid) Karzai government," Milani said.

John Bolton, who served as U.S. ambassador to the United Nations during the Bush administration, argues that the totality of Iran's policies — its nuclear program, support for Hezbollah in Lebanon and Shiite militias in Iraq, as well as its backing of the Taliban — demonstrate that the United States should adopt a tougher policy on Iran.

ForeverChiefs58
05-05-2011, 05:57 PM
might as well as the Tamil Tigers of Sri Lanka.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/09/AR2009020900525.html

I wish so bad you were being serious cause I would be with you

ForeverChiefs58
05-05-2011, 06:02 PM
link? source of the bolded part?

it's hard to believe that iran supports sunni groups anywhere...

You really haven't looked very hard.

It is even on wikipedia:
"Iranís Qods Force provided training to the Taliban in Afghanistan on small unit tactics, small arms, explosives, and indirect fire weapons. Since at least 2006, Iran has arranged arms shipments to select Taliban members, including small arms and associated ammunition, rocket propelled grenades, mortar rounds, 107mm rockets, and plastic explosives."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Sponsors_of_Terrorism#Iran

ForeverChiefs58
05-05-2011, 06:03 PM
link? source of the bolded part?

it's hard to believe that iran supports sunni groups anywhere...


"A classified document used by military and intelligence officials in the determination of a Guantanamo detainee's linkages to al Qaeda and associated movements lists the intelligence services of Pakistan, Iran, and Yemen as "associated forces" known to support al Qaeda and allied movements, including the Taliban."


The document, titled "Matrix of Threat Indicators for Enemy Combatants," was one of more than 700 documents released to select news agencies by WikiLeaks. The document has been published by The New York Times.



The US Treasury Department has also directly linked Qods Force to the Taliban, while al Qaeda operatives are known to use Iran to transit to Afghanistan via safe houses. Hundreds of al Qaeda leaders, fighters, and their families traveled to Iran after the US invasion of Afghanistan, and were placed into protective custody. Meanwhile, some of these al Qaeda operatives coordinated attacks in neighboring countries. Qods Force also maintained contact with al Qaeda's top leaders. For instance, Osama bin Laden's son, Sa'ad, who was being held in Iran, facilitated communications between Ayman al Zawahiri and Qods Force in September 2008 after the deadly attack on the US embassy in Yemen.

Read more: http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2011/04/gitmo_docs_link_paki.php#ixzz1LWQiDN6L

ForeverChiefs58
05-05-2011, 06:13 PM
again, could you source these cut and pastes?

where are these assertions coming from?

simply saying so isn't enough when you're talking about specific information and data that if true, should be easily verifiable, you should provide the source of that information...

Here are a couple links: Take your pick

http://www.theisraelproject.org/site/c.hsJPK0PIJpH/b.2486101/k.AD22/Iran_Breakdown_of_Financial_Backing_for_Terrorist_Groups.htm

and this says the same

http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/templateC05.php?CID=2721

ForeverChiefs58
05-05-2011, 06:23 PM
Ahem! That article in the original post has no link to a source. It also says these ties are "alleged."

This is from a year ago but it's on the same source that I relied on for Iraq who turned out to be right instead of relying on govt allegations or the same folks who were wrong about Iraq. It mainly about the the relationship of AQ to Iran.

Report Emphasizes Dubious Iran-al-Qaeda Ties (http://news.antiwar.com/2010/05/13/report-emphasizes-dubious-iran-al-qaeda-ties/)
US Officials Admit Situation Not Well Understood



Fool me once. Shame on you.
Fool me twice. Shame on me.





Also as many on this board I have family in afghanistan and talks about they destroy plenty of iranian made weapons found with sunni taliban groups. Some of the stories are crazy, but prob not much different then when the US was giving weapons and money to alqaeda groups fighting the soviets, or now giving weapons and money to rebels in Lybia. Many of those "rebels" have ties to the same people we are currently fighting.

ForeverChiefs58
05-05-2011, 06:50 PM
None of those do their dirty work here. As for insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan it's not terrorism to fight or resist foreign soldiers in your own country. That's an important distinction. This type of post simply blurs the lines on who attacked here at home and allows for major mission creep.

It is not like we are just some invading force to conquer more land. It actually is terrorism if that foreign force has a just cause or world backing for being there.

We wouldn't be in afghanistan if we weren't attacked on 9-11.

We wouldn't be in iraq if they hadn't violated so many UN resolutions, and we didn't have any international support to go there.

I would agree with you if it is an invading force with bad intentions.

go bowe
05-06-2011, 10:23 PM
Here are a couple links: Take your pick

http://www.theisraelproject.org/site/c.hsJPK0PIJpH/b.2486101/k.AD22/Iran_Breakdown_of_Financial_Backing_for_Terrorist_Groups.htm

and this says the same

http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/templateC05.php?CID=2721

see, that's what i'm talkin' 'bout...

the article in the israel project is extremely well-sourced and very credible...

just posting the link with your quote from it would help everybody better evaluate the credibility of your source...

this time, based on this source, i am totally convinced that i was utterly wrong about iran's support for sunni as well as shia terrorist groups...

thanks for correcting my mis-impression... :thumb:

Frankie
05-07-2011, 10:01 AM
I read a fascinating report that basically was saying that Hizbollah is massively funded by Iran, through Syria, which is one reason why Iran is goign to stoutly defend/support Syria through it's domestic troubles. They want/need to keep that pipeline.

The report was laying ALOT of blame for a ton of stuff around the ME right at Iran's doorstep.

Hezbollah was pretty much created by/in Iran. And I have been of the opinion ever since the Syrian uprisings that if Syria falls it'll weaken the Iranian regime considerably.

Frankie
05-07-2011, 10:03 AM
Here we go again. War #4 on the horizon with false reports planted in the press.
Al Qaeda is the govt of Iran's enemy. Iran is Shia. AQ is Sunni.
We actually helped Iran by going into Afghanistan.


You can tell there's a R majority again in congress.

This.

ForeverChiefs58
05-07-2011, 02:37 PM
Hezbollah was pretty much created by/in Iran. And I have been of the opinion ever since the Syrian uprisings that if Syria falls it'll weaken the Iranian regime considerably.

Yes it would weaken iran, and I think it would also show the iranians that are in hope of change what a little democracy and a lot of uprising can do.

I find it odd so many in the international community were so quick to jump to the side of the civilians being killed in lybia, but fall silent to those in iran and syria being killed just for trying to protest and rise against tyranny.

Hopfully, there is a lot of behind the scenes work being done, but it looks like another NATO fail.