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KILLER_CLOWN
05-10-2011, 10:20 PM
A former student at a high school in Southern California recently filed a lawsuit against the school district after he had been suspended for sharing his faith.

About a year ago, Kenneth Dominguez, 16, was disciplined by Gateway East High School in San Diego County and was prevented from bringing his Bible to campus.

The lawsuit was filed after the Grossmont Union High School District refused to acknowledge any wrongdoing, according to Brad Dacus, president and founder of Pacific Justice Institute, which is representing Dominguez.

Dominguez is a new believer. He surrendered his life to the Lord during Christmas break in the 2009-2010 school year.

When he returned to school in January, he began to tell his peers about his Christian faith.

He was "on fire" and "excited about his faith," sharing "what happened to him and what God had done," Dacus explained to The Christian Post.

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But his grace sharing period came to a halt when an administrator reprimanded him. The school official told Dominguez that he was not allowed to share his faith because of the "separation of church and state."

According to Dacus, Dominguez had not created any disruption when he was testifying about his faith to fellow students. He didn't shout or preach out loud and he limited his talk to lunch breaks and the hallways, and not the classroom.

Additionally, there has been no record of any student or anyone else complaining, Dacus noted.

After being warned by the administrator, Dominguez continued to discuss his faith and bring his Bible to school. He was then told that he could not bring his Bible to campus either. A two-day suspension soon followed.

Defending the student, attorney Michael J. Peffer, who heads PJI's Southern California office, contended, “No student should be forced to leave his faith and Bible at the gate when he enters school grounds. We are looking forward to this opportunity to vindicate Mr. Dominguez and protect students throughout California.”

The incident doesn't come as a surprise to PJI attorneys. Among the 4,000 requests for legal assistance received last year alone, Dacus said many of them dealt with public school religious freedom issues.

"Particularly in a state like California where the teachers union has such great control over what goes on in public schools, we see a lot of hostility and bigotry against Christian students, sometimes under the cloak of 'tolerance,'" he lamented.

Catherine Martin, spokeswoman for the Grossmont Union High School District, was unable to comment because of pending litigation.

[UPDATE] 3-31 7:12 p.m.

The Grossmont Union High School District released a statement today in response to the lawsuit:

The Grossmont Union High School District Governing Board and Administration fully supports and defends the Constitution of the United States, particularly the First Amendment provisions protecting the free exercise of religion and freedom of speech. It is also the firm commitment of the Grossmont Union High School District (GUHSD) to provide a safe and orderly learning environment for all students and staff that is free of disruption to the educational process on each of its campuses.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-student-suspended-for-sharing-faith-sues-school-district-49655/

Taco John
05-10-2011, 10:48 PM
Life is funny. I'd be the first person in line to tell the kid to shut up about his faith and keep it to himself, and the first person in line to tell the principle to STFU that the kid has the right to talk about his religion to anyone he wants.

Thig Lyfe
05-10-2011, 11:51 PM
"Surrendered his life to the Lord"? That's creepy as fuck.

Mile High Mania
05-11-2011, 04:30 AM
If this were another particular faith... we wouldn't hear about this at all, we'd likely be reading that it was now a part of an after school learning session.

mikey23545
05-11-2011, 04:41 AM
"Surrendered his life to the Lord"? That's creepy as ****.

Nowhere near as creepy as surrendering it to Obama...

mikey23545
05-11-2011, 04:42 AM
Life is funny. I'd be the first person in line to tell the kid to shut up about his faith and keep it to himself, and the first person in line to tell the principle to STFU that the kid has the right to talk about his religion to anyone he wants.

Pretty much nails it.

blaise
05-11-2011, 08:08 AM
I wonder how it is they can tell him not to bring a Bible to school? That doesn't seem quite right.
I can see if they felt he was disrupting the learning process by preaching and wanted him to stop that, but I don't see why they should prevent him from just having the book.

Amnorix
05-11-2011, 08:12 AM
Life is funny. I'd be the first person in line to tell the kid to shut up about his faith and keep it to himself, and the first person in line to tell the principle to STFU that the kid has the right to talk about his religion to anyone he wants.


Think that's about right. Kids have limited rights while in public schools, compared to most of us in other venues, but I think the school has a serious freedom of speech issue here.

morphius
05-11-2011, 08:12 AM
...and these are our "educators". The principal should be required to pay back the tax payers all the money he is about to cost them.

tiptap
05-11-2011, 08:13 AM
Dominguez, who no longer attends school in the district, was suspended for two days on Feb. 18, 2010 while at Gateway East Community Day School, a continuation school for students who have been expelled from their traditional campus, are on probation or have been habitual truants. Gateway East, in downtown El Cajon, has 34 students, two teachers and two classrooms, district spokeswoman Catherine Martin said. It is smaller than a 7-Eleven.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/mar/31/student-suspended-bible-seized-was-christian-disru/

Dave Lane
05-11-2011, 08:15 AM
If this were another particular faith... we wouldn't hear about this at all, we'd likely be reading that it was now a part of an after school learning session.

Exactly if this was some Muslim kids going on and on about Allah and he got suspended everyone would applaud.

ROYC75
05-11-2011, 08:23 AM
The school was wrong, he has every right to bring it to school, read in his spare time, same as any other book a student wants to read.

It was stupid of the ( Liberal ) teacher and the administration .

ROYC75
05-11-2011, 08:27 AM
"Surrendered his life to the Lord"? That's creepy as ****.

Not.


If a person had Satanic ways or worshiped Satan, that would be creepy, plus really stupid. But it is his / her's illogical choice.

ROYC75
05-11-2011, 08:27 AM
...and these are our "educators". The principal should be required to pay back the tax payers all the money he is about to cost them.

Agreed Jeff, well said.

blaise
05-11-2011, 08:37 AM
I'm guessing the kid was a bit more aggressive in his preaching than that story suggests.

morphius
05-11-2011, 08:40 AM
I'm guessing the kid was a bit more aggressive in his preaching than that story suggests.
That is the only thing that makes sense, he would actually have to be interrupting class for it to make sense.

Dave Lane
05-11-2011, 08:41 AM
I'm guessing the kid was a bit more aggressive in his preaching than that story suggests.

That

Dave Lane
05-11-2011, 08:42 AM
Dominguez, who no longer attends school in the district, was suspended for two days on Feb. 18, 2010 while at Gateway East Community Day School, a continuation school for students who have been expelled from their traditional campus, are on probation or have been habitual truants. Gateway East, in downtown El Cajon, has 34 students, two teachers and two classrooms, district spokeswoman Catherine Martin said. It is smaller than a 7-Eleven.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/mar/31/student-suspended-bible-seized-was-christian-disru/

Figures, the next step after the bottle is jesus.

ROYC75
05-11-2011, 08:48 AM
I'm guessing the kid was a bit more aggressive in his preaching than that story suggests.

That has to be the only reason, anything else and the school is dead wrong.

If the students, all ( what, 34 of them )back him up, the school is:Bartee:

tiptap
05-11-2011, 09:34 AM
You already have a group of students easily distracted from educational pursuits. It doesn't matter if his intent was honorable; if his actions during school time adds to the distraction from educational pursuit than it seems reasonable to remove the distraction. He has every opportunity to show in his personal conduct that he had changed in relation to learning and not prosetlyzing to get attention on him. In a regular school setting this isn't being singled out.

Rain Man
05-11-2011, 09:41 AM
It sounds like the principal was trying to help him avoid becoming a social pariah.

I once worked with a bible thumper who would frequently try to "save" me. He was a nice guy most of the time, but when he'd get on that kick I'd want to kill him, and I couldn't avoid him because we sat right next to each other.

If this kid was doing bible lessons with his similarly minded pals, go for it, and I have no issue with it. If he was being a missionary with a captive audience that can't leave, they should be able to shut him up.

ROYC75
05-11-2011, 09:59 AM
Well, we have already taken God, the bible,and prayer out of the classroom, what is next the states ?

No wait, it's happening, just like many said it would.

http://media.causes.com/604250?p_id=42563578

DaKCMan AP
05-11-2011, 10:35 AM
Well, we have already taken God, the bible,and prayer out of the classroom

Good.

ROYC75
05-11-2011, 10:43 AM
Good.

BAD!

DaKCMan AP
05-11-2011, 10:57 AM
BAD!

You're insane. School is for math, science, reading, and writing. If you want God and religion go to church/synagogue/mosque/etc.

vailpass
05-11-2011, 10:59 AM
Nowhere near as creepy as surrendering it to Obama...

LMAO :thumb:

vailpass
05-11-2011, 11:01 AM
You're insane. School is for math, science, reading, and writing. If you want God and religion go to church/synagogue/mosque/etc.

Academics and faith are a very good mix when done properly. It works very well in my sons school.
Public school, of course, should contain no religion whatsoever.

blaise
05-11-2011, 11:03 AM
I still don't see why he can't have a Bible in the school, unless he's using it at the time to preach. Just saying, "You're not permitted to have a Bible on school grounds," seems like it's going too far.

Brock
05-11-2011, 11:12 AM
Well, we have already taken God, the bible,and prayer out of the classroom, what is next the states ?

No wait, it's happening, just like many said it would.

http://media.causes.com/604250?p_id=42563578

What's happening, just like many said it would?

vailpass
05-11-2011, 11:13 AM
I still don't see why he can't have a Bible in the school, unless he's using it at the time to preach. Just saying, "You're not permitted to have a Bible on school grounds," seems like it's going too far.

As has been said, I'll bet he wasn't carrying that bible so much as he was thumping it.

DaKCMan AP
05-11-2011, 11:17 AM
Academics and faith are a very good mix when done properly. It works very well in my sons school.
Public school, of course, should contain no religion whatsoever.

I'm cool with private schools doing whatever they want. Keep it out of public schools, though. I also strongly disagree with vouchers for private schools.

vailpass
05-11-2011, 11:20 AM
I'm cool with private schools doing whatever they want. Keep it out of public schools, though. I also strongly disagree with vouchers for private schools.

On the one hand I'd like to see vouchers. There are a lot of middle and lower class parents who would like to send their children to private schools but can't afford to; instead they are forced to subsidize sub-standard schools.

OTOH I hear some teachers say that would further erode the public schools system. But would that be a bad thing?

ROYC75
05-11-2011, 11:23 AM
What's happening, just like many said it would?

What's happening ? No kidding, just like putting Jesus on the cross, he knew it would happen. Just like when the Antichrist takes over, it will happen. Same as when Jesus comes back, it will happen.

People will look back and say, it's happening. I wish I had listened better.

Huffmeister
05-11-2011, 11:25 AM
What's happening ? No kidding, just like putting Jesus on the cross, he knew it would happen. Just like when the Antichrist takes over, it will happen. Same as when Jesus comes back, it will happen.

People will look back and say, it's happening. I wish I had listened better.

Hey, isn't the Rapture next week anyway?

ROYC75
05-11-2011, 11:26 AM
Hey, isn't the Rapture next week anyway?

Some people are saying this......

Garcia Bronco
05-11-2011, 12:26 PM
Life is funny. I'd be the first person in line to tell the kid to shut up about his faith and keep it to himself, and the first person in line to tell the principle to STFU that the kid has the right to talk about his religion to anyone he wants.

Exactly. end Thread

ClevelandBronco
05-11-2011, 01:08 PM
I'm cool with private schools doing whatever they want. Keep it out of public schools, though. I also strongly disagree with vouchers for private schools.

I assume that for consistency's sake you think that veterans' education benefits should be spent only at government universities, and never at an institution such as Notre Dame.

KILLER_CLOWN
05-11-2011, 02:24 PM
Well, we have already taken God, the bible,and prayer out of the classroom, what is next the states ?



Hopefully other religions like Global Warming, Evolution, etc

Easy 6
05-11-2011, 02:35 PM
I'm guessing the kid was a bit more aggressive in his preaching than that story suggests.

While i still think its way wrong & sickeningly pc to do what they did to this kid, i must say that i've known several people who, once they've committed to Christianity, become almost unbearable in their fervor & proselytizing for several months or years. They're on fire with the spirit & by gum, you will be too, if they can help it.

One good bud that i still hang with who is still rock solid in his faith, was once like that & when things had settled down for him actually apologized for being so hardcore & pushy early on.

KCrockaholic
05-11-2011, 02:44 PM
"Surrendered his life to the Lord"? That's creepy as ****.

Cult.

DaKCMan AP
05-11-2011, 02:48 PM
I assume that for consistency's sake you think that veterans' education benefits should be spent only at government universities, and never at an institution such as Notre Dame.

University education is a completely different animal.

tiptap
05-11-2011, 02:53 PM
Hopefully other religions like Global Warming, Evolution, etc

Religions have a relationship between oneself and the deity or source to the benefit of the individual in this world or next or both. Science merely states the relationship between things and good science is more representative of how the world works apart from oneself. Global Warming may be bad science. Evolution may be bad science but they are not religions.

Brock
05-11-2011, 03:14 PM
What's happening ? No kidding, just like putting Jesus on the cross, he knew it would happen. Just like when the Antichrist takes over, it will happen. Same as when Jesus comes back, it will happen.

People will look back and say, it's happening. I wish I had listened better.

You didn't answer the question. At all. The question was "What's happening, just like many said it would?".

Dave Lane
05-11-2011, 03:18 PM
What's happening ? No kidding, just like putting Jesus on the cross, he knew it would happen. Just like when the Antichrist takes over, it will happen. Same as when Jesus comes back, it will happen.

People will look back and say, it's happening. I wish I had listened better.

I'm thinking you played a lot of football.


Without a helmet...

Dave Lane
05-11-2011, 03:19 PM
You didn't answer the question. At all. The question was "What's happening, just like many said it would?".

I'm sorry Roy's other brain cell isn't awake right now. Please leave a message at the tone and it will get back to you.

ROYC75
05-11-2011, 03:58 PM
You didn't answer the question. At all. The question was "What's happening, just like many said it would?".

Did you watch the video ? If not, watch all of it, the whole thing, then tell me if any of it struck America as we know it , today.

http://media.causes.com/604250?p_id=42563578

ROYC75
05-11-2011, 03:59 PM
I'm thinking you played a lot of football.


Without a helmet...

Lots of it, no head injuries at all.

Your logic doesn't apply with football or anything really.

ROYC75
05-11-2011, 04:00 PM
I'm sorry Roy's other brain cell isn't awake right now. Please leave a message at the tone and it will get back to you.

Cute, wanna try harder next time?

ROYC75
05-11-2011, 04:02 PM
The guy Red speaks of had what Americans today lack.

Brock
05-11-2011, 04:08 PM
Did you watch the video ? If not, watch all of it, the whole thing, then tell me if any of it struck America as we know it , today.

http://media.causes.com/604250?p_id=42563578

I don't want to watch a video. I just want you to answer the question. What's happening, just like many said it would?

Ugly Duck
05-11-2011, 05:58 PM
American Christians have to be the whiniest bitches in the history of mankind. They comprise 83% of the population & yet squeal like some oppressed minority.

ABC News: 83% of Americans identify themselves as Christians. Most of the rest, 13 percent, have no religion. That leaves just 4 percent as adherents of all non-Christian religions combined — Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc.

Thig Lyfe
05-11-2011, 06:17 PM
Nowhere near as creepy as surrendering it to Obama...

At least Obama actually exists. Now if you excuse me, I have to go to my secret socialist mosque so I can pray in the direction of the White House.

Psyko Tek
05-11-2011, 06:22 PM
Life is funny. I'd be the first person in line to tell the kid to shut up about his faith and keep it to himself, and the first person in line to tell the principle to STFU that the kid has the right to talk about his religion to anyone he wants.

truth
no where near a separation of church and state
it 's a STFU issue
not a constitutional thing

Psyko Tek
05-11-2011, 06:30 PM
off topic but shit but...
I was talking to my 16 yr olds counselor yesterday
and she said policy was they could only teach evolution one day per year

not quite related but in the same vein

censor ship comes from both sides and should not be allowed when it disrupts actual learning
or more importantly learning how to learn

listopencil
05-11-2011, 06:38 PM
American Christians have to be the whiniest bitches in the history of mankind. They comprise 83% of the population & yet squeal like some oppressed minority.


This.

orange
05-11-2011, 07:06 PM
Well, we have already taken God, the bible,and prayer out of the classroom, what is next the states ?

No wait, it's happening, just like many said it would.

http://media.causes.com/604250?p_id=42563578

What's happening, just like many said it would?

I'm not sure, but I'm guessing ROYC75 is nostalgic for the good old days when ten-year-olds would quit school and go to work because they were hungry - like Red Skelton did.

Bump
05-11-2011, 07:08 PM
ya, it's all good if you want to have religion and faith, but seriously, KEEP THAT SHIT TO YOURSELF.

Nobody with any ounce of common sense is going to listen to that garbage.

KILLER_CLOWN
05-11-2011, 11:57 PM
American Christians have to be the whiniest bitches in the history of mankind. They comprise 83% of the population & yet squeal like some oppressed minority.

ABC News: 83% of Americans identify themselves as Christians. Most of the rest, 13 percent, have no religion. That leaves just 4 percent as adherents of all non-Christian religions combined — Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc.

Wow only 13% have no religion? With the disproportionate amount of whining by the faithless i would have thought that number much higher. I would say the number of non Christians i know(counting acquaintances) far outweighs the number of Christians.

KILLER_CLOWN
05-12-2011, 12:11 AM
Exhibit A

'Good Christian Bitches' Slapped With Protest Threat by Parents Television Council
Published: March 09, 2011 @ 5:30 pm

The Parents Television Council is objecting to the ABC pilot "Good Christian Bitches" before it even becomes a series.

If you guessed, "because of the title," give yourself a round of applause.

The media watchdog group, which recently grabbed headlines with its protest of MTV's "Skins," is calling for PTC members and the general public alike to sign a protest petition against the potential series because of its name.

Also read: MTV: We're Not Shedding 'Skins'

"ABCs decision is not only an affront to women, it blatantly attacks the world's largest faith. The B-word is toxic and is used to degrade, abuse, harass, bully and humiliate women. And the Christian element only adds insult to injury. Regardless of whether the title ultimately makes it to broadcast, ABC has publicly proclaimed its values and it has tarnished the Disney brand," PTC president Tim Winter said in a statement. (Disney owns the network.)

Winter said there might be a double-standard at play.

"Would ABC even consider another faith to denigrate?" Winter said. "Would they even consider a program title or a plot line based on 'bitches' who were Muslim, Hindu, Jewish or Buddhist? I suspect not, and I certainly hope not."

The pilot presentation for the soap opera-ish project hasn't even been fully cast yet and ABC says the title is likely to change. It's based on Kim Gatlin's novel of the same name, about a divorced mother of two who turns to her faith for strength after discovering that her friends are trying to destroy her reputation with gossip.

TheWrap asked the PTC about the title last month, but the group had no comment at the time, saying it "doesn't seem like it's a done deal that it would have that name if/when it makes it to air," a spokeswoman said.

http://www.thewrap.com/tv/column-post/abcs-good-christian-bitches-parents-television-council-protest-25382

Aries Walker
05-12-2011, 06:56 AM
I guarantee there's more to this story than we see. It's an obviously Christian slant ("gave himself to the Lord", christianpost.com, incendiary topic) and the article is written in such a way as to make it seem like a bustling California high school whose faceless overlords come down on an innocent Christian kid just trying to spread the good news.

Meanwhile, as the most informative post in this thread reminds us . . .

Dominguez, who no longer attends school in the district, was suspended for two days on Feb. 18, 2010 while at Gateway East Community Day School, a continuation school for students who have been expelled from their traditional campus, are on probation or have been habitual truants. Gateway East, in downtown El Cajon, has 34 students, two teachers and two classrooms, district spokeswoman Catherine Martin said. It is smaller than a 7-Eleven.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/mar/31/student-suspended-bible-seized-was-christian-disru/

It's not a regular school. I think I'm siding with the school district this time, and I'll bet Dominguez is significantly more disruptive than the article says. Looks to me like his lawyers are trying the case in the media. They'll go to court, the district will produce tons of evidence, Dominguez will lose, and we'll never hear from it again. It will have no lasting effect except to make people one step closer to thinking the public schools in this country are Stalinist prison camps.

ROYC75
05-12-2011, 08:21 AM
Wow only 13% have no religion? With the disproportionate amount of whining by the faithless i would have thought that number much higher. I would say the number of non Christians i know(counting acquaintances) far outweighs the number of Christians.

How does a 13% base control an 83% base ?


It's called the media!

DaKCMan AP
05-12-2011, 08:22 AM
How does a 13% base control an 83% base ?


It's called the media!

How are 83% being controlled?

ClevelandBronco
05-12-2011, 09:03 AM
How are 83% being controlled?

We're not. Get your ass in the back of the bus where you belong.