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HonestChieffan
05-18-2011, 06:37 AM
Damage by this man with allies is immeasurable


JERUSALEM, May 17 (Xinhua) — U.S. President Barack Obama will call on Israel to withdraw to the 1967 borders and agree to additional concessions that will enable a resumption of the peace process, Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronoth revealed on Tuesday.

The newspaper claimed to have obtained a draft of Obama’s planned speech at the State Department on Thursday in which he will outline his administration’s Middle East policy, in light of the anti-government protests that have swept the region over the past year.

White House press secretary Jay Carney said Sunday that Obama would raise the need for progress in the peace process. However, he did not reveal whether the president planned to present a diplomatic initiative to revive the process, after negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians broke down last September.

According to Yedioth Ahronoth, Obama will call on Israel to withdraw to the 1967 cease-fire lines with territorial adjustments that will be agreed on in the negotiations with the Palestinian National Authority. The president will label the West Bank settlements as “illegal” and emphasize that Israel must halt their construction.

Obama’s position on the settlement blocs, which Israel slates to remain under its sovereignty in any peace deal, is yet unclear.

The president is also expected to announce his solution regarding the status of Jerusalem and call for its division. The U. S. envisions the city as the shared capital of the two states, Israel and Palestine, side by side in peace.

Such a stand would essentially echo the so-called “Clinton Parameters” offered by then-president Bill Clinton in 2000, which called predominantly Arab neighborhoods to come under the Palestinian sovereignty while Jewish neighborhoods remaining within the Israeli territories.


http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-05/17/c_13879553.htm

Donger
05-18-2011, 07:18 AM
Assuming that is accurate, what exactly is Obama going to "demand" that the Palestinians concede?

KILLER_CLOWN
05-18-2011, 07:23 AM
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RubberSponge
05-18-2011, 07:24 AM
Assuming that is accurate, what exactly is Obama going to "demand" that the Palestinians concede?

It's from the official news agency of China. They report to the Communist Party of China. It was posted by HonestChieffan. Do you need any more reasons to believe it is inaccurate?

alnorth
05-18-2011, 08:16 AM
At this point, I no longer care about Israel or the Palestinians except to the extent that others force us to expend resources on them. If the world demands that we propose solutions and peace roadmaps, fine. They are empty words because its obvious to me that neither side is interested in peace.

vailpass
05-18-2011, 10:57 AM
That limp wrist currently occupying our White House is in a position to demand nothing.

go bowe
05-18-2011, 10:59 AM
That limp wrist currently occupying our White House is in a position to demand nothing.oh yeah?

what exactly have you got against limp wrists, anyway?

homophobe...

vailpass
05-18-2011, 11:02 AM
oh yeah?

what exactly have you got against limp wrists, anyway?

homophobe...

:) Just because I don't like it doesn't mean I'm scared of it....

BucEyedPea
05-18-2011, 11:33 AM
Assuming that is accurate, what exactly is Obama going to "demand" that the Palestinians concede?

What have they taken illegally that must be conceded?

mnchiefsguy
05-18-2011, 11:40 AM
What have they taken illegally that must be conceded?

What has Israel taken illegally? They fought a war, and WON. They took it, they own it. Really pretty simple.

go bowe
05-18-2011, 01:02 PM
:) Just because I don't like it doesn't mean I'm scared of it....
i don't think you're scared of anything...

scary sometimes, but not scared...

go bowe
05-18-2011, 01:06 PM
What has Israel taken illegally? They fought a war, and WON. They took it, they own it. Really pretty simple.iraq had a war and took kuwait...

they owned it too, for awhile...

iraq is not israel, but they both won territory by conquest...

mnchiefsguy
05-18-2011, 01:09 PM
iraq had a war and took kuwait...

they owned it too, for awhile...

iraq is not israel, but they both won territory by conquest...

Iraq had a war and took Kuwait....and they would have held it if not for the United States kicking the crap out of them and taking it back. Iraq won territory by conquest, but was unable to hold onto it, and then lost territory by being beaten. Israel has successfully defended the land they have taken, it is theirs until some it takes it from them, or they willing give it up. They are not willing to give it up, so it is theirs.

go bowe
05-18-2011, 01:45 PM
Iraq had a war and took Kuwait....and they would have held it if not for the United States kicking the crap out of them and taking it back. Iraq won territory by conquest, but was unable to hold onto it, and then lost territory by being beaten. Israel has successfully defended the land they have taken, it is theirs until some it takes it from them, or they willing give it up. They are not willing to give it up, so it is theirs.schoolyard bully tactics won't resolve the situation, they haven't worked in some 60 years...

without active us support, could israel still defend the conquered territories for any length of time?

has the cost of the defense so far (in terms of terrorism rockets and huge expenses for security as well as civilian deaths on both sides), been worth occupying the palestinian territories?

if israel really wanted to keep the west bank and gaza, wouldn't they have annexed it by now?

but there's nothing much there except for palestinians...

why wouldn't israel be willing to give up those essentially worthless lands for some measure of peace and security?

otoh, if they felt they owned the palestinian territories, why would they ever give them up?

vailpass
05-18-2011, 01:50 PM
i don't think you're scared of anything...

scary sometimes, but not scared...

I resemble that remark.

Hydrae
05-18-2011, 02:01 PM
The president will label the West Bank settlements as “illegal” and emphasize that Israel must halt their construction.

Yep, because the world runs under US law and our president has a say in how another country operates. :rolleyes:

mnchiefsguy
05-18-2011, 02:04 PM
schoolyard bully tactics won't resolve the situation, they haven't worked in some 60 years...

without active us support, could israel still defend the conquered territories for any length of time?

has the cost of the defense so far (in terms of terrorism rockets and huge expenses for security as well as civilian deaths on both sides), been worth occupying the palestinian territories?

if israel really wanted to keep the west bank and gaza, wouldn't they have annexed it by now?

but there's nothing much there except for palestinians...

why wouldn't israel be willing to give up those essentially worthless lands for some measure of peace and security?

otoh, if they felt they owned the palestinian territories, why would they ever give them up?

All valid points...but when the Palestinians are not even willing to concede and acknowledge Israel's right to exist, why should Israel even give them the time of day? Israel has been willing to give up land for peace in the past, but the Palestinians cannot not even agree to acknowledge an Israeli's right to live.

mikey23545
05-18-2011, 02:06 PM
Next he will demand they pull back to the 1947 border.

talastan
05-18-2011, 02:42 PM
Land for peace has been tried before and it hasn't ever worked. I agree with Ron Paul on this one. Let Israel handle it however they want to. Stop trying to hold the Israeli and Palastinian hands and force them to peace. It hasn't worked in hundreds of years and probably won't ever work. Obama, and the United States as a whole, needs to keep their noses out of it.

KILLER_CLOWN
05-18-2011, 03:51 PM
All valid points...but when the Palestinians are not even willing to concede and acknowledge Israel's right to exist, why should Israel even give them the time of day? Israel has been willing to give up land for peace in the past, but the Palestinians cannot not even agree to acknowledge an Israeli's right to live.

It's a 2 way street, Israel recognizes Palestine then Palestine recognizes Israel. The Rest is propaganda. Israel can start by drawing their borders.

mnchiefsguy
05-19-2011, 02:39 AM
It's a 2 way street, Israel recognizes Palestine then Palestine recognizes Israel. The Rest is propaganda. Israel can start by drawing their borders.

Israel does not advocate Palestinian genocide, yet a majority of Palestinian governments frequently advocate the destruction of the Jewish Race. You can be a Palestinian and live in Israel. Try being a Jew in Syria or Iran, etc. and see how long you last. Israel is negotiating from a position of strength, and they have no reason to give up land unless they get want they want, and feel that the Palestinians will actually keep their word.

patteeu
05-19-2011, 08:42 AM
BucEyedPea told me that Obama is cut from the same cloth as George W. Bush.

patteeu
05-19-2011, 08:45 AM
Assuming that is accurate, what exactly is Obama going to "demand" that the Palestinians concede?

Given their history of choosing conflict over peace no matter how sweet the deal being offered, maybe he thinks it's enough of a concession if they just agree to accept Israel's surrender on nearly all points of contention.

patteeu
05-19-2011, 08:53 AM
What have they taken illegally that must be conceded?

A homicidal approach to negotiations for starters.

But I reject your premise that they must have taken something in order to be expected to make a concession. Their rightful claim to land occupied by Israel after a series of defensive wars has been forfeited. If they want some of it gifted back to them, there are a number of concessions from the baseline of their demands that must be made. "Right of return" is at the top of the list.