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HonestChieffan
05-20-2011, 03:07 PM
WASHINGTON, May 20 (Reuters) — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Friday he was prepared to make compromises to peace but he rejected President Barack Obama’s proposal that Israel return to its 1967 borders.

Obama and Netanyahu met at the White House a day after the U.S. president endorsed a longstanding Palestinian demand on the borders for their future state.

In remarks to reporters in the Oval Office, Obama said he had reiterated the principles he had laid out on Thursday.

Both men acknowledged differences between their positions.

Obama said the United States and Israel had an extraordinary bond. Netanyahu said he and Obama could still work together for peace.



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"“The only peace that will endure is one that is based on reality, on unshakable facts. I think for there to be peace, the Palestinians will have to accept some basic realities. The first is that while Israel is prepared to make generous compromises for peace, it cannot go back to the 1967 lines. Because these lines are indefensible. Because they don’t take into account certain changes that have taken place on the ground, demographic changes that have taken place over the last 44 years.

Remember that before 1967, Israel was all of 9 miles wide. It was half the width of the Washington beltway. These were not the boundaries of peace. They were the boundaries of repeated wars because the attack on Israel was so attractive for them. We can’t go back to those indefensible lines and we’re going to have to have a long-term military presence along the Jordan. . . .

We’ve been around for almost four thousand years. We’ve experienced struggle and suffering like no other people. We’ve gone through expulsions, pogroms and massacres and the murder of millions.

But I can say that even at the dearth, even at the nadir of the valley of death, we never lost hope and we never lost our dream of reestablishing a sovereign state in our ancient homeland, the land of Israel.

And now it falls on my shoulders as the Prime Minister of Israel, at a time of extraordinary instability and uncertainty in the middle east to work with you and fashion a peace that will ensure Israel’s security and will not jeopardize it’s survival.

Chiefshrink
05-20-2011, 09:02 PM
What you saw today between Barry and Benjamin was the difference between a "man-child poser" and a true leader of men. Obama definitely exposed his naive idealogue incompetency who has never lived in the real world compared to Benjamin who has been to hell and back several times defending his native country.

Bottom line: Netanyahu handed Obama's ass to him today giving Obama 3 lessons IMO: 1) A healthy dose of reality 2) History lesson 3) What it means to be a true leader:thumb:

HonestChieffan
05-20-2011, 09:18 PM
What you saw today between Barry and Benjamin was the difference between a "man-child poser" and a true leader of men. Obama definitely exposed his naive idealogue incompetency who has never lived in the real world compared to a Benjamin who has been to hell and back several times defending his native country.

Bottom line: Netanyahu handed Obama's ass to him today giving Obama 3 lessons IMO: 1) A healthy dose of reality 2) History lesson 3) What it means to be a true leader:thumb:

Careful Orange will be here to show BiBi is wrong and you will be branded as a result

HonestChieffan
05-20-2011, 09:20 PM
http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Bibi_Obama.jpg

Benjamin Netanyahu was born in 1949 in Tel Aviv and grew up in Jerusalem. He spent his high school years in the US, where his father, historian Benzion Netanyahu, was doing research. Returning to Israel in 1967, Mr. Netanyahu enlisted in the IDF and served in an elite commando unit, Sayeret Matkal. He took part in a number of military operations, including the rescue of hostages in a high-jacked Sabena airplane in 1972. In the same year, he was cited for outstanding operational leadership by the late Major General Motta Gur. Discharged from the IDF in 1972, Mr. Netanyahu participated in the Yom Kippur War and reached the rank of captain.


Obama was a community organizer in the most corrupt political city in the US.

Chiefshrink
05-21-2011, 07:16 AM
http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Bibi_Obama.jpg

Benjamin Netanyahu was born in 1949 in Tel Aviv and grew up in Jerusalem. He spent his high school years in the US, where his father, historian Benzion Netanyahu, was doing research. Returning to Israel in 1967, Mr. Netanyahu enlisted in the IDF and served in an elite commando unit, Sayeret Matkal. He took part in a number of military operations, including the rescue of hostages in a high-jacked Sabena airplane in 1972. In the same year, he was cited for outstanding operational leadership by the late Major General Motta Gur. Discharged from the IDF in 1972, Mr. Netanyahu participated in the Yom Kippur War and reached the rank of captain.


Obama was a community organizer in the most corrupt political city in the US.

Pretty much sums it up in a nutshell:thumb:

Amnorix
05-21-2011, 09:50 PM
This is the same Benjamin Netanyahu who was taped saying that, basically, America was full of suckers that were being played by Israel and was easily duped, and who is basically genetically predisposed to never make concessions or make peace with Israel's enemies, right?

Look, I'm pretty pro-Israel, but don't kid yourself about who and what Netanyahu is -- he's basically the guy the Israelis elect when they want to tell the entire Arab world to fuck off.

go bowe
05-21-2011, 11:17 PM
This is the same Benjamin Netanyahu who was taped saying that, basically, America was full of suckers that were being played by Israel and was easily duped, and who is basically genetically predisposed to never make concessions or make peace with Israel's enemies, right?

Look, I'm pretty pro-Israel, but don't kid yourself about who and what Netanyahu is -- he's basically the guy the Israelis elect when they want to tell the entire Arab world to fuck off.

yep, that's the one... LMAO LMAO LMAO

Mr. Kotter
05-22-2011, 01:03 AM
Dang it, it's May 22nd, the doom-sayers were "off".....just sayin'...heh. LMAO

The Mad Crapper
05-22-2011, 10:43 AM
http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Bibi_Obama.jpg

Benjamin Netanyahu was born in 1949 in Tel Aviv and grew up in Jerusalem. He spent his high school years in the US, where his father, historian Benzion Netanyahu, was doing research. Returning to Israel in 1967, Mr. Netanyahu enlisted in the IDF and served in an elite commando unit, Sayeret Matkal. He took part in a number of military operations, including the rescue of hostages in a high-jacked Sabena airplane in 1972. In the same year, he was cited for outstanding operational leadership by the late Major General Motta Gur. Discharged from the IDF in 1972, Mr. Netanyahu participated in the Yom Kippur War and reached the rank of captain.


Obama was a community organizer in the most corrupt political city in the US.

It's beyond embarrassing.

Chiefshrink
05-22-2011, 11:10 AM
This is the same Benjamin Netanyahu who was taped saying that, basically, America was full of suckers that were being played by Israel and was easily duped, and who is basically genetically predisposed to never make concessions or make peace with Israel's enemies, right?

Look, I'm pretty pro-Israel, but don't kid yourself about who and what Netanyahu is -- he's basically the guy the Israelis elect when they want to tell the entire Arab world to **** off.

I would like to hear the whole context of that taped conversation. You can take that comment in many directions.

And what's wrong having a "Pattonesque" type of leader who has no problem 'swinging his brass balls' when needed, especially when you have 3 enemies(now 4 -Obama:rolleyes:) who like to see you eliminated that sits right at your doorstep:shrug: Common sense to me:thumb:

Chiefshrink
05-22-2011, 11:17 AM
It's beyond embarrassing.

To say the least, "BUT" what is needed to expose this "usurping lying fraud" to those who voted for this "man-child".

Hopefully many of the GOP politicians and candidates for POTUS in 2012 will sit up and take notice on how Benji deals with "fraudulant bullies" like Obama and "grow a pair" and seriously start going after this "phony in the WH":thumb:

But I think I am asking for too much at this point and so the insanity will probably continue:banghead:

morphius
05-22-2011, 11:20 AM
This is the same Benjamin Netanyahu who was taped saying that, basically, America was full of suckers that were being played by Israel and was easily duped, and who is basically genetically predisposed to never make concessions or make peace with Israel's enemies, right?

Look, I'm pretty pro-Israel, but don't kid yourself about who and what Netanyahu is -- he's basically the guy the Israelis elect when they want to tell the entire Arab world to fuck off.
I'd bet the same thing has been said by many a political expert helping to run any of the last few Presidents campaigns.

vailpass
05-22-2011, 01:58 PM
http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Bibi_Obama.jpg

Benjamin Netanyahu was born in 1949 in Tel Aviv and grew up in Jerusalem. He spent his high school years in the US, where his father, historian Benzion Netanyahu, was doing research. Returning to Israel in 1967, Mr. Netanyahu enlisted in the IDF and served in an elite commando unit, Sayeret Matkal. He took part in a number of military operations, including the rescue of hostages in a high-jacked Sabena airplane in 1972. In the same year, he was cited for outstanding operational leadership by the late Major General Motta Gur. Discharged from the IDF in 1972, Mr. Netanyahu participated in the Yom Kippur War and reached the rank of captain.


Obama was a community organizer in the most corrupt political city in the US.

This is not funny. Big Ben is a hard-core leader who used to bend and follow the US protocol when he knew our leaders were men of gravity, men to be respected.
Now look at us. Look at who is sitting across from Ben at the table.

Perhaps the saddest part of this is that if any obama defenders try to dispute my statement they will attemtp to do so not by showing where obama is a strong and accomplished leader that is to be respected. Instead they will argue that former US Presidents weren't so great.

Chiefshrink
05-22-2011, 06:34 PM
This is not funny. Big Ben is a hard-core leader who used to bend and follow the US protocol when he knew our leaders were men of gravity, men to be respected.
Now look at us. Look at who is sitting across from Ben at the table.

Perhaps the saddest part of this is that if any obama defenders try to dispute my statement they will attemtp to do so not by showing where obama is a strong and accomplished leader that is to be respected. Instead they will argue that former US Presidents weren't so great.

Precisely:thumb:

Ben knows he is dealing with a man-child and now must take the lead for the free world as opposed to a sitting U.S. Usurping President who wants nothing more than "tyranny and reparations" brought against the free market of so-called "white American and European capitalism that has oppressed the people of color in the world for centuries in his distorted mindset. :rolleyes:

ChiefaRoo
05-22-2011, 06:46 PM
This is the same Benjamin Netanyahu who was taped saying that, basically, America was full of suckers that were being played by Israel and was easily duped, and who is basically genetically predisposed to never make concessions or make peace with Israel's enemies, right?

Look, I'm pretty pro-Israel, but don't kid yourself about who and what Netanyahu is -- he's basically the guy the Israelis elect when they want to tell the entire Arab world to **** off.

Well, we are a nation full of suckers. Fat, bloated, hooked on Starbucks, Crispy Creme donuts, credit and American Idol suckers. I'd say two out of every three. The one third that's left is what keeps the suckers afloat and safe economically and militarily.

banyon
05-22-2011, 07:41 PM
What's "clueless" about this?

Obama announced the exact same policy on Israel of going back to pre 67 borders that Bush and Clinton did.

Or did you not have a clue about that "Honest"?

HonestChieffan
05-22-2011, 09:53 PM
Excellent article here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/damage-control-on-the-middle-east-speech/2011/03/29/AFDuUm7G_blog.html#pagebreak

One paragraph stands out related to the Obots amazing inability to critically examine the failing policies of their dear leader in particular as it relates to this stand he has taken regarding Israel:

What to make of all the liberal Jewish groups and pundits who fawned over the speech and insisted there was no change in U.S. policy contained in Obama’s statement on the 1967 borders (which is a misnomer; there is only the 1949 armistice line)? They have, to the extent they had any credibility, discredited themselves as reliable translators to Jews and Americans at large of the peace process. Whether through ignorance or through an insatiable need to defend a liberal president at all costs, they leapt into the fray to deny that Obama said anything damaging at all. The proof of Obama’s misstep is his swift backpedal, which, I suspect, will continue today.

banyon
05-22-2011, 10:02 PM
As opposed to an editorial opinion, which you call "an excellent article", this is an actual (written by a reporter and not a political pundit) article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/23/world/middleeast/23aipac.html?hp

As Mr. Obama himself pointed out, his theme in the speech last Thursday was not extraordinary. American presidents, including George W. Bush and Bill Clinton, have consistently instructed their foreign policy aides to pursue an agreement between the Israelis and Palestinians using the 1967 borders, with mutually agreed land swaps, as a basis for talks.

Also (an opinion):

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/05/nothing-new-in-the-idea-that-67-borders-should-guide-peace-talks-updated/239162/

Nothing New in the Idea That '67 Borders Should Guide Peace Talks (UPDATED)
By Jeffrey Goldberg

May 19 2011, 2:07 PM ET
I'm amazed at the amount of insta-commentary out there suggesting that the President has proposed something radical and new by declaring that Israel's 1967 borders should define -- with land-swaps -- the borders of a Palestinian state. I'm feeling a certain Groundhog Day effect here. This has been the basic idea for at least 12 years. This is what Bill Clinton, Ehud Barak and Yasser Arafat were talking about at Camp David, and later, at Taba. This is what George W. Bush was talking about with Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert. So what's the huge deal here? Is there any non-delusional Israeli who doesn't think that the 1967 border won't serve as the rough outline of the new Palestinian state?

A bigger deal: President Obama's call for a phased withdrawal of Israeli forces from the West Bank following an agreement. Prime Minister Netanyahu wants to keep a residual force in the Jordan Valley (as does the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, which won't admit this publicly). The key here is the word "phased," which could mean anything. Israel could keep troops in the valley for 10 years after an agreement.

A much bigger deal: Obama's forthright denunciation of the unilateral Palestinian plan to seek the General Assembly's endorsement this September of statehood. Also a big deal: The President's statement that the Hamas-Fatah pact "raises profound and legitimate questions for Israel -- how can one negotiate with a party that has shown itself unwilling to recognize your right to exist? In the weeks and months to come, Palestinian leaders will have to provide a credible answer to that question." This doesn't sound like a radical departure from long-term American policy. Or even a mild departure.

UPDATE: Here is what Hillary Clinton said in 2009: "We believe that through good-faith negotiations the parties can mutually agree on an outcome which ends the conflict and reconciles the Palestinian goal of an independent and viable state based on the 1967 lines, with agreed swaps, and the Israeli goal of a Jewish state with secure and recognized borders that reflect subsequent developments and meet Israeli security requirements."

But we must maintain the fictional narrative that everything Obama does is wrong, right?