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vailpass
05-25-2011, 01:32 PM
No Laughing Here Over obama's Latest travel Gaffe

Just watch, sometime soon -- maybe even this morning -- some lamestream journalist will start collecting all the gaffes from President Obama's latest foreign jaunt.

The funniest so far was his not knowing what day or year it was in London on Tuesday when he signed the guest book at Westminster Abbey. Obama reportedly asked someone nearby what the date was and they told him "May 24," assuming incorrectly that the leader of the free world would know what year it was (2011).

Instead, Obama wrote in his leftist scrawl "24 May 2008."

Understandable in a way. Those were heady days back then when the ex-state senator was not crawling along with approval ratings in the 40s and he was fixing to tie up the Democratic nomination and make Oprah Winfrey cry off her false eyelashes in Denver.

Although, to be accurate, on May 24 2008 Hillary Clinton had yet to become convinced of Obama's impending win. Now, she's on this trip as secretary of State, taking a tour of Buckingham Palace artworks while Obama has a royal sleepover there.
And for sure some journalist will drag up his favorite hilarious Obama gaffes from the past -- the 57 states gaffe, the president of Canada gaffe, the Sioux-City-Sioux-Falls-where-are-we-anyway gaffe, the Austrians-speak-Austrian gaffe and the beloved Cinco de Cuatro gaffe.

But we're not going to do that here this morning. Nor will we be detailing the rough patch the president's limo encountered Monday in Dublin. Somebody already did that here with a funny video.

Oh, wait, that hypothetical journo would also recall the 2009 Obama gift gaffes -- the movie DVDs for Prime Minister Gordon Brown that wouldn't work on British players, the toy helicopters for Brown's children, the iPod for Queen Elizabeth II thoughtfully pre-loaded with some of the Real Good Talker's own speeches.

And the tiny pat that Michelle Obama gave that darling little lady who wears such huge hats anyway, bless her royal heart.

This time the Obamas were in better form. No royal touching. And they gave Her Majesty a leather-bound volume of memorabilia from her parents' 1939 U.S. visit.

And the queen gave Obama a collection of letter exchanges between American presidents and Queen Victoria, which the Chicago pol will no doubt plunge into the moment the NBA playoffs finish, if they ever do.

The Obamas also had a pleasant chat with the royal newlyweds, who didn't invite the Obamas to their wedding. The Americans were busy, anyway. It must be a real thrill for Obama to stay overnight in the palace of the monarch who ruled his father's homeland for so long.

The good news is that Obama got off on this foreign journey without launching air attacks against another country, unlike the March family tour of South America when he took on Libya -- which we're still taking on, come to think of it.
It's also good that Obama was out of town for coverage of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's address to a joint session of Congress on Tuesday. The Israeli leader's remarks were better received by Congress than the American leader's most recent speech there.

Netanyahu got sandbagged last week by Obama's Middle East address, talking publicly about, among other things, peace talks there starting with the pre-1967 borders of Israel.

Only troublemakers would suggest that Netanyahu's two dozen bipartisan standing ovations from Congress -- the longest coming when the Israeli bluntly said that starting from the indefensible 1967 borders was a non-starter -- had anything to do with rebuffing the president's treatment of America's closest Middle Eastern ally.

With Donald Trump on hype hiatus, the president's trip has provided laugh fodder for late-night comics. Jay Leno reported late last night that in Obama's meeting with Queen Elizabeth, the British ruler had suggested returning to pre-1776 borders.

Speaking of jokes, let's talk secret code names a sec. Obama took a little heat early this month from Native Americans, who wanted him to apologize for allowing the military's execution of Osama bin Laden to be codenamed Operation Geronimo after the fabled Apache warrior.

Every secret service also has secret code names for prominent protectees.The British chose a possibly derogatory codename for the American president this time, the word "Chalaque." That's Punjabi for crafty or cunning.

Scotland Yard innocently explained the code names are chosen by computer, which doesn't explain why they didn't gin up another.

But anyway, the idea of secret code names is that those folks with the little coiled wires draining out of their ears can say the secret word on the radio without tipping off bad guys who they're discussing.

If we were one of those annoying journalists poking around, we would ask, What exactly is the point of secret code names that everyone knows?

But we won't do that.

-- Andrew Malcolm

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/05/obama-britain-gaffe-queen-elizabeth.html

mlyonsd
05-25-2011, 01:40 PM
This must have been written before his screw up of the toast to the Queen. W never looked THAT stupid.

vailpass
05-25-2011, 01:44 PM
This must have been written before his screw up of the toast to the Queen. W never looked THAT stupid.

Yes, I was going to add it in here but thought that particular obama fail deserved it's own post.
If this were a R President the media would be going bat shit reporting all of this. Instead, crickets. Just like burying Netanyahu's drubbing of obama in his address in the House on Tuesday.

Donger
05-25-2011, 02:02 PM
This must have been written before his screw up of the toast to the Queen. W never looked THAT stupid.

What happened?

mlyonsd
05-25-2011, 02:07 PM
What happened?
http://abcnews.go.com/International/video/obamas-toast-queen-turns-awkward-13678496

Sorry, I've never imbedded a video before.

Donger
05-25-2011, 02:10 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/International/video/obamas-toast-queen-turns-awkward-13678496

Sorry, I've never imbedded a video before.

They played "My Country 'Tis of Thee"?

LMAO

mlyonsd
05-25-2011, 02:12 PM
They played "My Country 'Tis of Thee"?

LMAOApparently that's what Obama thought it was.

HonestChieffan
05-25-2011, 03:10 PM
Classless boob

orange
05-25-2011, 03:18 PM
You lameasses are truly pathetic. LMAO

You cannot even read a subtitle.

"President pauses during toast, prompting orchestra to start playing too soon."

Obama did nothing wrong - the band jumped its cue.

"But, but, Obama ....."

vailpass
05-25-2011, 03:22 PM
You lameasses are truly pathetic. LMAO

You cannot even read a subtitle.

"President pauses during toast, prompting orchestra to start playing too soon."

Obama did nothing wrong - the band jumped its cue.

"But, but, Obama ....."

As usual your spin is wrong and tired.

Tone deaf obama continued his toast during the playing of God Save theQueen even though everyone else ahd put down their glasses out of respect. The QUEEN was in the room and he was so full of hearing his own voice the uppity prick didn't stop talking.

Last night, Barack Obama was the Queen's specially invited guest at a banquet at Buckingham Palace. Honored by the invitation, President Obama attempted to give a speech thanking her Majesty for her friendship and grace. He asked the congregation to stand as he proposed a toast. And then he said, “To Her Majesty the Queen.”

Thinking that was their cue, the orchestra of the Scots Guard mistakenly started to play God Save The Queen. Everyone fell silent, as is tradition,…except President Obama. Apparently, he was unaware that it is against protocol to talk over the national anthem, especially when you are in front of the Queen.

But he forged on with his speech anyway, unaware of the stares he was getting from across the room and the tiniest, but the most uncomfortable smile coming across her Majesty's face.

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orange
05-25-2011, 03:28 PM
Yeah, everybody's so torn up about it.

President Jokes About Toast Mishap
May 25, 2011 9:48 AM

LONDON - President Obama shared a laugh with UK Deputy Prime Minister Clegg today about the president's toast mishap last night.

"I thought you did exactly the right thing," Clegg told Obama, referring to how the president continued speaking even after the orchestra, mistakenly under the impression that the president had concluded his toast to the Queen, began playing "God Save the Queen," creating an awkward moment.

"I thought that it was like, it was like out of the movies when the soundtrack kinda comes in," President Obama told Clegg.

"Like a crescendo," Clegg joked. "A voiceover."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/05/president-jokes-about-toast-mishap.html

Bewbies
05-25-2011, 03:36 PM
Obama could walk in and piss on Orange's mom, wife, kids, etc and he'd tell us it was awesome.

orange
05-25-2011, 03:40 PM
Obama could take a breath and the rightards would tell us it was an offense against humanity.

No wait, cancel "would" and insert "do."

RNR
05-25-2011, 03:46 PM
Obama could take a breath and the rightards would tell us it was an offense against humanity.

No wait, cancel "would" and insert "do."

It's not?

listopencil
05-25-2011, 03:51 PM
Meh. So Bush and Obama have made some embarrassing protocol mistakes in foreign countries. When Bush did it he looked like a dumbass, when Obama did it he looked like an asshole. Not a huge difference.

listopencil
05-25-2011, 03:52 PM
Wait, are we still allowed to compare both of them to monkeys or is that against the rules now?

vailpass
05-25-2011, 03:59 PM
Wait, are we still allowed to compare both of them to monkeys or is that against the rules now?

Be careful, Jenson might call you a ****** to prove uh, er, something.

Brock
05-25-2011, 04:19 PM
Surprisingly, nobody cares.

listopencil
05-25-2011, 04:22 PM
Be careful, Jenson might call you a ****** to prove uh, er, something.


Wow, it filters out the whole word. I guess you have to be able to figure it out from contextual clues.

vailpass
05-25-2011, 04:26 PM
Wow, it filters out the whole word. I guess you have to be able to figure it out from contextual clues.

I don't type the word, I type * instead. Which doesn't mean this still isn't one of the funniest South Parks ever:
(nsfw language)

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Amnorix
05-25-2011, 04:33 PM
Wait, I thought the right thought that the opinions of the international community were completely irrelevant to the right of America to do what they want, when they want, to whomever they want?

listopencil
05-25-2011, 04:37 PM
I don't type the word, I type * instead. Which doesn't mean this still isn't one of the funniest South Parks ever:
(nsfw language)




Oh, well that makes sense. I've never typed the word out on here myself. Just the usual cussing and it's fairly easy to tell what was filtered out.

vailpass
05-25-2011, 04:38 PM
Wait, I thought the right thought that the opinions of the international community were completely irrelevant to the right of America to do what they want, when they want, to whomever they want?

The Brits are our #1 ally. It is embarrassing to screw up like that; sort of like when the First Sasquatch touched the royal person.

Do you not see any humor in the 2008 thing or obama continuing to talk, oblivious to all around him?

WV
05-25-2011, 04:47 PM
Still doesn't change the fact that the media would be all over this had this been an R president. Instead BO looked like an ass with his smug smile even when he screwed up and the media looks the other way. Again...had this been an R president they'd have been on this like stink on shit.

Brock
05-25-2011, 04:47 PM
Another faux pas was when Obama bowed to King Faud instead of tossing his salad as is customary!

Donger
05-25-2011, 04:54 PM
As usual your spin is wrong and tired.

Tone deaf obama continued his toast during the playing of God Save theQueen even though everyone else ahd put down their glasses out of respect. The QUEEN was in the room and he was so full of hearing his own voice the uppity prick didn't stop talking.

Last night, Barack Obama was the Queen's specially invited guest at a banquet at Buckingham Palace. Honored by the invitation, President Obama attempted to give a speech thanking her Majesty for her friendship and grace. He asked the congregation to stand as he proposed a toast. And then he said, “To Her Majesty the Queen.”

Thinking that was their cue, the orchestra of the Scots Guard mistakenly started to play God Save The Queen. Everyone fell silent, as is tradition,…except President Obama. Apparently, he was unaware that it is against protocol to talk over the national anthem, especially when you are in front of the Queen.

But he forged on with his speech anyway, unaware of the stares he was getting from across the room and the tiniest, but the most uncomfortable smile coming across her Majesty's face.

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Not really surprising from a POTUS who sometimes places his hand over his heart during OUR national anthem. His discretion.

alnorth
05-25-2011, 05:02 PM
Some people care about irrelevant political minutia far too much and need to get a life. Some of these articles are like celebrity gossip ETV types of shows about Paris Hilton... except with politicians.

I can pitching the frothy spittle flying as people mash their keyboards about Obama or Bush or whatever other politician they hate after reading about what they did or said after the latest speech or dinner. Obama didn't do anything particularly wrong or embarassing. Let me know when he tries to give Merkel a shoulder massage and then maybe the world will raise an eyebrow.

Radar Chief
05-25-2011, 05:15 PM
Some people care about irrelevant political minutia far too much and need to get a life. Some of these articles are like celebrity gossip ETV types of shows about Paris Hilton... except with politicians.

Politics is showbiz for the ugly. /Limbaugh

Simplex3
05-25-2011, 05:39 PM
Meh. So Bush and Obama have made some embarrassing protocol mistakes in foreign countries. When Bush did it he looked like a dumbass, when Obama did it he looked like an asshole. Not a huge difference.

Yeah, but Obama was supposed to be this uber-worldly diplomat.

listopencil
05-25-2011, 05:43 PM
Yeah, but Obama was supposed to be this uber-worldly diplomat.


Really? I did not realize that. Come to think of it I do recall world politics as one of his supposed strengths though.

listopencil
05-25-2011, 05:46 PM
To be clear- I'm not disputing what you are saying Simplex. There is just so much bullshit and opinion thrown out there during the Presidential campaign that a lot of the nuances like this don't sink in with me.

Stinger
05-25-2011, 06:03 PM
No big deal here .... except when Bush did it he was an perceived as an idiot. Obama does it and it seems to be perceived as always someone else fault. Either way no one is losing sleep over it.

mlyonsd
05-25-2011, 07:36 PM
No big deal here .... except when Bush did it he was an perceived as an idiot. Obama does it and it seems to be perceived as always someone else fault. Either way no one is losing sleep over it.Bingo.

But if we want to use the left's description that Bush was an embarrassing idiot Obama has proven he wears the same label.

Direckshun
05-25-2011, 08:39 PM
There is an entire industry somewhere near WND-ville where people are incredibly invested with the Obamas violating sacred Queen protocol.

Same shit when Michelle patting the Queen on the back some two years ago.

Meanwhile Obama polls something like 70% in England.

So I'll try to give a shit about England's royalty when they do.

ClevelandBronco
05-25-2011, 08:57 PM
If the United Kingdom has any plan in place that would make it impossible for Pres. Obama to seek a second term, I would celebrate that plan's success.

notorious
05-25-2011, 09:45 PM
Why does anyone give a fuck?

Rausch
05-25-2011, 10:41 PM
Why does anyone give a ****?

Pretty much.

It's not like this is our first idiot president...

Direckshun
05-26-2011, 12:31 AM
If the United Kingdom has any plan in place that would make it impossible for Pres. Obama to seek a second term, I would celebrate that plan's success.

You're slipping into a one-note horn here. Don't make me post a string of your posts together.

You're embarrassing some admittedly pretty high standards.

Rausch
05-26-2011, 02:57 AM
You're slipping into a one-note horn here. Don't make me post a string of your posts together.

Please don't make me suffer it.

You're embarrassing some admittedly pretty high standards.

According to whom?...

Direckshun
05-26-2011, 03:45 AM
According to whom?...

Go climb an AIDS tree. CB brings his shit.

Rausch
05-26-2011, 03:59 AM
Go climb an AIDS tree. CB brings his shit.

Well, that finishes that off I guess...

Amnorix
05-26-2011, 05:55 AM
The Brits are our #1 ally. It is embarrassing to screw up like that; sort of like when the First Sasquatch touched the royal person.

Do you not see any humor in the 2008 thing or obama continuing to talk, oblivious to all around him?

Humor? No. Not really. Mostly I consider it all noise.

Let's be real here, compared to puking all over the Prime Minister of Japan or whoever the hell it was, these items are a "1" in the proverbial 1-10 scale of what not to do on foreign trips. Sure, the political opponents can point and laugh, but in the long run, it has no effect on anythign whatsoever -- neither the US's standing in the world, nor Obama's ability/inability to get things done in the foreign relations realm, nor the next American election.

But I understand -- we're between elections and it's a somewhat slow news cycle right now. Keep yourself entertained if you wish, but this isn't exactly opening the door for Ron Paul's ascension to the Presidency...

Ugly Duck
05-26-2011, 06:22 AM
W never looked THAT stupid.
:LOL:LMAO:LOL:

Mizzou_8541
05-26-2011, 06:24 AM
Yeah, everybody's so torn up about it.

President Jokes About Toast Mishap
May 25, 2011 9:48 AM

LONDON - President Obama shared a laugh with UK Deputy Prime Minister Clegg today about the president's toast mishap last night.

"I thought you did exactly the right thing," Clegg told Obama, referring to how the president continued speaking even after the orchestra, mistakenly under the impression that the president had concluded his toast to the Queen, began playing "God Save the Queen," creating an awkward moment.

"I thought that it was like, it was like out of the movies when the soundtrack kinda comes in," President Obama told Clegg.

"Like a crescendo," Clegg joked. "A voiceover."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/05/president-jokes-about-toast-mishap.html

It is funny when Orange has to backpedal. That poor ego of his...

Ugly Duck
05-26-2011, 06:33 AM
It is funny when Orange has to backpedal. That poor ego of his...

Orange didn't say the band jumped its cue & started playing while the President was still talking... UK Deputy Prime Minister Clegg did.

dirk digler
05-26-2011, 07:01 AM
Some people care about irrelevant political minutia far too much and need to get a life. Some of these articles are like celebrity gossip ETV types of shows about Paris Hilton... except with politicians.

I can pitching the frothy spittle flying as people mash their keyboards about Obama or Bush or whatever other politician they hate after reading about what they did or said after the latest speech or dinner. Obama didn't do anything particularly wrong or embarassing. Let me know when he tries to give Merkel a shoulder massage and then maybe the world will raise an eyebrow.

Yep. I never really engaged in this kind of stupid stuff when Bush was POTUS which makes me a better person and not so small minded like some here. :)

orange
05-26-2011, 10:18 AM
It is funny when Orange has to backpedal. That poor ego of his...

I'm supposed to be backpedaling? From what, some nitwit rightard interpretation of English "protocol" that the English find laughable? LMAO

Let me know when the Brits slam him for "Voiceovergate." The Queen will no doubt be sending the gifts back.

patteeu
05-26-2011, 12:07 PM
:)

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/05/26/article-1390986-0C44C00400000578-37_634x407.jpg

Mizzou_8541
05-26-2011, 06:47 PM
I'm supposed to be backpedaling? From what, some nitwit rightard interpretation of English "protocol" that the English find laughable? LMAO

Let me know when the Brits slam him for "Voiceovergate." The Queen will no doubt be sending the gifts back.

Your butthurt is enjoyable. He made a mistake that, in the long run, makes absolutely no difference in the course of world events. Who really cares? Every president makes mistakes like that. But your predictable, blind defense of him makes you look like a petulant child.

You remind me of my 6-year old niece who, when she doesn't get her way, screams, then crosses her arms and pouts in a corner.

orange
05-26-2011, 07:20 PM
... my 6-year old niece who, when she doesn't get her way, screams, then crosses her arms and pouts in a corner.

Your 6-year old niece has a good career waiting for her; she can blog for the LATimes.

thecoffeeguy
05-27-2011, 08:31 AM
You lameasses are truly pathetic. LMAO

You cannot even read a subtitle.

"President pauses during toast, prompting orchestra to start playing too soon."

Obama did nothing wrong - the band jumped its cue.

"But, but, Obama ....."

Dude, you are so wrong it is ridiculous.

He screwed up "royally", plain and simple. Stop the spin.

Dylan
05-28-2011, 09:16 AM
As usual your spin is wrong and tired.

Tone deaf obama continued his toast during the playing of God Save theQueen even though everyone else ahd put down their glasses out of respect. The QUEEN was in the room and he was so full of hearing his own voice the uppity prick didn't stop talking.

Last night, Barack Obama was the Queen's specially invited guest at a banquet at Buckingham Palace. Honored by the invitation, President Obama attempted to give a speech thanking her Majesty for her friendship and grace. He asked the congregation to stand as he proposed a toast. And then he said, “To Her Majesty the Queen.”

Thinking that was their cue, the orchestra of the Scots Guard mistakenly started to play God Save The Queen. Everyone fell silent, as is tradition,…except President Obama. Apparently, he was unaware that it is against protocol to talk over the national anthem, especially when you are in front of the Queen.

But he forged on with his speech anyway, unaware of the stares he was getting from across the room and the tiniest, but the most uncomfortable smile coming across her Majesty's face.

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The toast heard around the world! The travesty of all this -- as Americans you expect the President of the United States to follow the protocol in whatever country he visits.

It is a big deal. President Obama hosted a dinner in honor of the Queen. The Royal Protocol is strictly followed in the Kingdom. When Obama said, "Ladies and gentlemen, please stand with me and raise your glasses as I propose a toast To Her Majesty the Queen." In her presence, it is the cue for the Scots band to start playing the National Anthem. It was cringe-worthy to watch.

Rausch
05-28-2011, 09:26 AM
The toast heard around the world! The travesty of all this -- as Americans you expect the President of the United States to follow the protocol in whatever country he visits.

It is a big deal. President Obama hosted a dinner in honor of the Queen. The Royal Protocol is strictly followed in the Kingdom. When Obama said, "Ladies and gentlemen, please stand with me and raise your glasses as I propose a toast To Her Majesty the Queen." In her presence, it is the cue for the Scots band to start playing the National Anthem. It was cringe-worthy to watch.

His ignorance of European tradition offends me less than his ignorance of America...

Dylan
05-28-2011, 09:29 AM
Now the laughs...

What was hysterical was the president was trying to read his notes which he was holding behind the floral arrangement.

The way you eloquently give a toast is to memorize the words. In addition, it is not a toast unless the host sips from the glass which Obama did not do. I die... LMAO

He put the glass down without taking a sip! The Queen couldn't believe it LMAO neither could I.

The Grifters... LMAO

Dylan
05-28-2011, 09:30 AM
His ignorance of European tradition offends me less than his ignorance of America...

That too... :thumb:

Dylan
05-28-2011, 09:46 AM
The Telegraph U.K.

President Obama’s top ten insults against Britain – 2011 edition

By Nile Gardiner
May 24th, 2011

In March last year I published a list of Barack Obama’s biggest insults against America’s biggest ally Great Britain, during his time in office. A lot of water has flown under the bridge since then, including the Gulf oil spill and the White House’s campaign against BP, the now infamous Obama-Sarkozy press conference earlier this year, and the release by Wikileaks of US government documents revealing the Obama administration had betrayed Britain in order to appease the Russians over the New START Treaty.

In honour of President Obama’s state visit to Britain this week, here’s an updated and revised list, as a reminder to readers of the president’s less than stellar track record when it comes to US-British relations. The US president will no doubt be careful not to offend his hosts when he travels to London, and he will receive a warm welcome from the Queen and the Prime Minister, as any American president would. But the prospect of an embarrassing diplomatic gaffe or insensitive remark cannot be ruled out from a world leader whose administration has all too often specialised in them. As I noted in my original piece:

Without a shadow of a doubt, Barack Obama has been the most anti-British president in modern American history. The Special Relationship has been significantly downgraded, and at times humiliated under his presidency, which has displayed a shocking disregard for America’s most important partner and strategic ally.

There are a multitude of reasons for President Obama’s dismissive approach to the UK, and here are a few: an obsession with engaging and appeasing America’s enemies rather than cultivating allies; personal animosity towards Britain because of his grandfather’s role as a Mau Mau supporter in 1950’s colonial Kenya; Democrat resentment over British support for the Bush Administration over Iraq; left-wing disdain for the idea of Anglo-American exceptionalism and world leadership; support for supranational institutions such as the European Union over the supremacy of the nation state.


1. Siding with Argentina over the Falklands
For sheer offensiveness it’s hard to beat the Obama administration’s brazen support for Argentina’s call for UN-brokered negotiations over the sovereignty of the Falklands, despite the fact that 255 British servicemen laid down their lives to restore British rule over the Islands after they were brutally invaded in 1982. In a March 2010 press conference in Buenos Aires with President Cristina Kirchner, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton gave Argentina a huge propaganda coup by emphatically backing the position of the Péronist regime.

In June last year, Mrs. Clinton slapped Britain in face again by signing on to an Organisation of American States (OAS) resolution calling for negotiations over the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands, a position which is completely unacceptable to Great Britain. To add insult to injury, the Obama administration has insisted on using the Argentine term “Malvinas” to describe the Islands in yet another sop to Buenos Aires.

2. Calling France America’s strongest ally
In January this year, President Obama held a joint press conference at the White House with his French counterpart, literally gushing with praise for Washington’s new-found Gallic friends, declaring: “We don’t have a stronger friend and stronger ally than Nicolas Sarkozy, and the French people.” As I noted at the time:

Quite what the French have done to merit this kind of high praise from the US president is difficult to fathom, and if the White House means what it says this represents an extraordinary sea change in US foreign policy. Nicolas Sarkozy is a distinctly more pro-American president than any of his predecessors, and has been an important ally over issues such as Iran and the War on Terror. But to suggest that Paris and not London is Washington’s strongest partner is simply ludicrous.

These kinds of presidential statements matter. No US president in modern times has described France as America’s closest ally, and such a remark is not only factually wrong but also insulting to Britain, not least coming just a few years after the French famously knifed Washington in the back over the war in Iraq.

3. Downgrading the Special Relationship
Barack Obama very rarely refers to the Special Relationship, and has hardly even mentioned Britain in a major policy speech, either before or since taking office. The Anglo-American alliance is barely a blip on Obama’s teleprompter screen, and he acts as though it simply does not exist. The Special Relationship has also been largely erased from the official lexicon of the State Department, and is barely used by US officials in London. Despite being America’s only major reliable ally when the chips are down, London is now treated in Washington as though it were the same as any other European power, albeit less charitably than either Paris or Berlin.

4. Supporting a federal Europe and undercutting British sovereignty
The Obama administration’s relentless and wrongheaded support for the creation of a federal Europe, from backing the Treaty of Lisbon to the European Security and Defence Policy, is a slap in the face for the principle of national sovereignty in Europe. British sovereignty is non-negotiable, and Obama’s willingness to undermine it is both insulting to Britain and self-defeating for the United States.

While the Bush Administration was divided over Europe, the Obama team is ardently euro-federalist. Hillary Clinton described the Lisbon Treaty as “a major milestone in our world’s history”, and in an interview with The Irish Times in 2009 stated: “I believe [political integration is] in Europe’s interest and I believe that is in the United States’ interest because we want a strong Europe.” And in May last year, Vice President Joe Biden described Brussels as the “capital of the free world.”

And the US Ambassador to London, Louis Susman, has warned Britain that “all key issues must run through Europe.” According to a report by The Parliament.com, in a private meeting with British MEPs at an event in the European Parliament in January, Susman called for a stronger British commitment to the EU, emphatically warning against British withdrawal:
I want to stress that the UK needs to remain in the EU. The US does not want to see Britain’s role in the EU diminished in any way. The message I want to convey today is that we want to see a stronger EU, but also a stronger British participation within the EU. This is crucial if, together, we are going to meet all the global challenges facing us, including climate change and security.


5. Betraying Britain to appease Moscow over the New START Treaty
In February, The Daily Telegraph broke a major story with damaging implications for the Special Relationship, revealing that Washington “secretly agreed to give the Russians sensitive information on Britain’s nuclear deterrent to persuade them to sign a key treaty.” According to The Telegraph report:
Information about every Trident missile the US supplies to Britain will be given to Russia as part of an arms control deal signed by President Barack Obama next week. Defence analysts claim the agreement risks undermining Britain’s policy of refusing to confirm the exact size of its nuclear arsenal.

A series of classified messages sent to Washington by US negotiators show how information on Britain’s nuclear capability was crucial to securing Russia’s support for the “New START” deal. Although the treaty was not supposed to have any impact on Britain, the leaked cables show that Russia used the talks to demand more information about the UK’s Trident missiles, which are manufactured and maintained in the US.

Washington lobbied London in 2009 for permission to supply Moscow with detailed data about the performance of UK missiles. The UK refused, but the US agreed to hand over the serial numbers of Trident missiles it transfers to Britain.

6. Placing a “boot on the throat” of BP
The Obama administration’s relentless campaign against Britain’s largest company in the wake of Gulf oil spill was one of the most damaging episodes in US-UK relations in recent years, with 64 percent of Britons agreeing that the president’s handling of the issue had harmed the partnership between the two countries according to a YouGov poll. The White House’s aggressive trashing of BP, including a threat to put a “boot on the throat” of the oil giant, helped wipe out about half its share value, directly impacting the pensions of 18 million Britons. This led to a furious backlash in the British press, with even London mayor and long-time Obama admirer Boris Johnson demanding an end to “anti-British rhetoric, buck-passing and name-calling”.

7. Throwing Churchill out of the Oval Office
It is hard to think of a more derogatory message to send to the British people within days of taking office than to fling a bust of Winston Churchill out of the Oval Office and send it packing back to the British Embassy – not least as it was a loaned gift from Britain to the United States as a powerful display of solidarity in the aftermath of the 9/11 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington. Obviously, public diplomacy is not a concept that carries much weight in the current White House, and nor apparently is common sense.

8. DVDs for the Prime Minister
Readers know I’m no fan of Gordon Brown, but whatever one thinks of his third-rate premiership, Brown traveled abroad not as a private individual but as the leader of America’s closest ally. He represented 61 million Britons including the Armed Forces, as well as a huge amount of British trade and investment with the United States. He was however treated shabbily when he visited the White House in March 2009, and denied a Rose Garden press conference as well as a dinner. To cap it all, the decision to send him home with an assortment of 25 DVDs ranging from Toy Story to The Wizard of Oz – which couldn’t even be played in the UK – was a breathtaking display of diplomatic ineptitude that would have shamed the protocol office of an impoverished Third World country.

9. Insulting words from the State Department
The mocking views of a senior State Department official following Gordon Brown’s embarrassing reception at the White House in March last year says it all:
There’s nothing special about Britain. You’re just the same as the other 190 countries in the world. You shouldn’t expect special treatment.
One would have thought that this kind of monumentally shallow insult would have resulted in at least a formal apology and a reprimand for the official involved, but unfortunately Obama administration apologies are strictly reserved for the French and assorted enemies of the United States.

10. Undermining British influence in NATO
Despite Nicolas Sarkozy’s distinctly unflattering opinion of Barack Obama, the US president has gone to great lengths to appease French interests, even going as far as apologising to the French people in Strasbourg for hurting their feelings over the war in Iraq. The Obama administration has also done its best to give Paris a lead role in the NATO alliance at Britain’s expense, granting it one of two supreme NATO command positions – Allied Command Transformation (ACT). This, despite the fact that France has for decades been ambivalent and obstructionist over NATO, and is failing to carry its weight in Afghanistan.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100088961/barack-obama-top-ten-insults-against-britain-2011-edition/


Next Up: Obama's historical speech in Westminister Hall. As soon as I the have time, I'll post the laughs heard around the world! .... Hysteria ensued.

Ugly Duck
05-28-2011, 10:19 AM
OMG!! OMG!! The band started playing before the President finished his speech! OMG!! OMG!! He shudda told the band to stop playing till he was done!! OMG!! OMG!!

Weak.

ClevelandBronco
05-28-2011, 10:36 AM
OMG!! OMG!! The band started playing before the President finished his speech! OMG!! OMG!! He shudda told the band to stop playing till he was done!! OMG!! OMG!!

Weak.

Do we need to offer money to get just one intelligent post from you?

Ugly Duck
05-28-2011, 01:16 PM
Do we need to offer money to get just one intelligent post from you?

Weaker.

patteeu
05-28-2011, 01:51 PM
OMG!! OMG!! The band started playing before the President finished his speech! OMG!! OMG!! He shudda told the band to stop playing till he was done!! OMG!! OMG!!

Weak.

Say what you will about George W. Bush, but he wouldn't have repeatedly insulted one of our closest allies like this clown has. I don't think this toast snafu was intentional, but with the series of missteps he's had toward the Brits, you'd almost think they have to be a part of a design. I still think it's just incompetence though.

orange
05-28-2011, 02:34 PM
Say what you will about George W. Bush, but he wouldn't have repeatedly insulted one of our closest allies like this clown has. I don't think this toast snafu was intentional, but with the series of missteps he's had toward the Brits, you'd almost think they have to be a part of a design. I still think it's just incompetence though.

Proof that Blair is Bush's poodle ... president calls him 'My boy'
By JAMES TAPPER, The Mail on Sunday
Last updated at 22:00 22 July 2006

No one knows for sure if George W. Bush regards Tony Blair as his poodle - but he certainly addresses him as one.
The Mail on Sunday can reveal that the President has greeted him with a cry of "Blair!" and told him: "You"re my boy."
Following last week's revelation that Mr Bush said "Yo Blair" to greet the Prime Minister at the G8 summit in Russia, we used audio enhancement and a professional lip-reader to examine every meeting between the pair.
In a TV report of Mr Bush visiting Mr Blair's Sedgefield constituency in 2003, he steps from his helicopter at Teesside airport and breaks into a broad grin when he sees Tony and wife Cherie waiting to meet him. He can be heard, faintly, calling "Blair!" as they walk towards each other, before apparently adding: "You're my boy."

At a G8 summit in America in June 2004, Mr Bush made Mr Blair the butt of a joke, to the amusement of other world leaders. Footage of a photocall shows Mr Blair walking into a room after the other leaders have sat down.
As Mr Blair throws his jacket over his chair, Mr Bush makes a quip. Careful analysis reveals that he said: "We haven't even started and you're half asleep!" Mr Blair smiles and looks down, while the others chuckle.

Lapdog
In May this year, as the two walked in the Rose Garden at the White House, Mr Blair was trying to give his analysis of Saddam Hussein's trial. At one point, he said: "What I think is really interesting, the best bit, is what Saddam Hussein does...(inaudible)"
Mr Blair chats on enthusiastically while Mr Bush waves at the cameras. Mr Bush's only response was, "It sure does", and he then cuts off Mr Blair to speak to a security man.
Two days earlier, when Mr Bush met Mr Blair's motorcade, lip-reading analysis shows that he said: "Welcome Tony Blair, welcome. How are you?" They then put on fixed grins for the cameras for several moments. Then Mr Blair replied: "Pretty good, yes. Marvellous. Yes. Perfect."
On a visit to the White House in November 2004, Mr Blair got out of a car and was greeted by Mr Bush, who then added: "Must be a big day." Blair made a reply including the word "Yes" and they continued up the steps. Mr Bush then said: "Got a lot to work on." Mr Bush ushered the Prime Minister through the front door, his hand on the small of his back.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-397106/Proof-Blair-Bushs-poodle---president-calls-My-boy.html#ixzz1NgIVvgQl

The Daily Mail - rightards' "Voice of England."

ClevelandBronco
05-28-2011, 02:38 PM
Weaker.

No, seriously, dude. orange, Direckshun, Jenson, Dave Lane — there's proof that you can be both intelligent and liberal. I have yet to see anything from you that has caused me to think that you possess even a small amount of native intelligence, education and wit.

Fucking nothing. How many posts do you have anyway?

ClevelandBronco
05-28-2011, 02:39 PM
Holy shit. You've been here the whole time?

Okay.

I thought you were clueless because you were relatively new.

orange
05-28-2011, 02:56 PM
Say what you will about George W. Bush, but he wouldn't have repeatedly insulted one of our closest allies like this clown has. I don't think this toast snafu was intentional, but with the series of missteps he's had toward the Brits, you'd almost think they have to be a part of a design. I still think it's just incompetence though.

(Some Swami writing about Obama in 2007 perhaps?)

The special relationship is, however, under threat, and stands in a precarious long-term position. There are major challenges on the horizon, including the stunning rise of anti-Americanism in Britain, growing attempts by the al Qaeda network to break the alliance, as well as the continuing loss of British sovereignty in the European Union. The relationship cannot be taken for granted, and protecting and defending it should be a top-level priority for the U.S. government.

There is growing public animosity in the U.K. toward the alliance, and widespread disillusionment with American global leadership, across all political parties, social classes, and age groups.

In a September 2006 Financial Times/Harris poll, a striking 33 percent of Britons surveyed described the United States as “the greatest threat to global stability.”(Just 21 percent named Iran, and 10 percent, North Korea.) Nearly 70 percent of Britons questioned in an October 2006 Guardian/ICM survey stated that U.S. policy had made the world “less safe” since 2001, and 75 percent agreed that President Bush was “a great or moderate danger to peace”, more than the 62 percent scored by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the 69 percent by Kim Jong Il.

I wonder who the author could be. :hmmm:

patteeu
05-28-2011, 03:20 PM
I'm not sure what your point is, Orange, and I don't know who wrote those words.

If calling Tony Blair his "boy" is the worst thing you can dredge up about GW Bush wrt relations with our allies in the UK, I rest my case.

Ugly Duck
05-28-2011, 03:20 PM
I have yet to see anything from you that has caused me to think that you possess even a small amount of native intelligence, education and wit.

Weakest.

Baby Lee
05-28-2011, 03:21 PM
OMG!! OMG!! The band started playing before the President finished his speech! OMG!! OMG!! He shudda told the band to stop playing till he was done!! OMG!! OMG!!

Weak.

This from the king of the 'we win, you suck' howler monkeys

orange
05-28-2011, 03:31 PM
I'm not sure what your point is, Orange, and I don't know who wrote those words.

If calling Tony Blair his "boy" is the worst thing you can dredge up about GW Bush wrt relations with our allies in the UK, I rest my case.

The point is ... whinging about the unfairness of it all is what they do. The English right, that is.

The author of the second piece was, of course, Nile Gardiner. Mr. "Ten Insults" above. Pointing out how Bush nearly destroyed our relationship with England.

He goes on:

In a June 2006 Daily Telegraph/ YouGov poll, 77 percent of those polled disagreed with the view that the United States was “a beacon of hope for the world,” and 58 percent supported the description of America as “an imperial power.” Sixty-seven percent of respondents expressed “little or very little confidence” in “the ability of the United States to deal wisely with present world problems,” and 65 percent supported the view that U.S. policies made the world “a somewhat or much worse place to live in.” A July 2006 Guardian/ICM poll found that 63 percent of Britons thought the UK was “too close to the USA,” and just 9 percent of British respondents in a March 2007 YouGov poll agreed with the proposition that “Britain should continue to base its foreign policy on its close relationship with the United States.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/221407/after-blair/nile-gardiner



Of course, I'm sure you can find some way to blame that on Obama. Like I suggested, Gardiner was obviously channeling the future.

And as for "the best I can do" - I think "65 percent supported the view that BUSH'S U.S. policies made the world “a somewhat or much worse place to live in”" is pretty damned good, myself.

patteeu
05-28-2011, 03:43 PM
The point is ... bitching about the unfairness of it all is what they do. The English right, that is.

The author of the second piece was, of course, Nile Gardiner. Mr. "Ten Insults" above. Pointing out how Bush nearly destroyed our relationship with England.

He goes on:

In a June 2006 Daily Telegraph/ YouGov poll, 77 percent of those polled disagreed with the view that the United States was “a beacon of hope for the world,” and 58 percent supported the description of America as “an imperial power.” Sixty-seven percent of respondents expressed “little or very little confidence” in “the ability of the United States to deal wisely with present world problems,” and 65 percent supported the view that U.S. policies made the world “a somewhat or much worse place to live in.” A July 2006 Guardian/ICM poll found that 63 percent of Britons thought the UK was “too close to the USA,” and just 9 percent of British respondents in a March 2007 YouGov poll agreed with the proposition that “Britain should continue to base its foreign policy on its close relationship with the United States.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/221407/after-blair/nile-gardiner



Of course, I'm sure you can find some way to blame that on Obama. Like I suggested, Gardiner was obviously channeling the future.

Your Nile Gardiner quotes reflect a different type of concern than the one I'm pinning on Obama. I'm not particularly concerned with what the working class British think of us. It's far more important that we maintain a good relationship with their ruling elite. Bush did a great job of that. Obama seems, at times, to be working hard to do the opposite.

Jenson71
05-28-2011, 03:55 PM
Your Nile Gardiner quotes reflect a different type of concern than the one I'm pinning on Obama. I'm not particularly concerned with what the working class British think of us. It's far more important that we maintain a good relationship with their ruling elite. Bush did a great job of that. Obama seems, at times, to be working hard to do the opposite.

Do you think Obama desires to ruin a good relationship with Britain?

Dave Lane
05-28-2011, 05:04 PM
Say what you will about George W. Bush, but he wouldn't have repeatedly insulted one of our closest allies like this clown has. I don't think this toast snafu was intentional, but with the series of missteps he's had toward the Brits, you'd almost think they have to be a part of a design. I still think it's just incompetence though.

Memories run very short indeed in this forum.

patteeu
05-28-2011, 06:01 PM
Do you think Obama desires to ruin a good relationship with Britain?

Like I said before, I'm leaning toward mere incompetence, but it hasn't evaded my notice that he seems to coddle/court our enemies and snub/take for granted our allies on a fairly consistent basis and England is one of those "horrible" former colonial powers so there could be some latent antipathy involved.

orange
05-28-2011, 07:00 PM
Your Nile Gardiner quotes reflect a different type of concern than the one I'm pinning on Obama. I'm not particularly concerned with what the working class British think of us. It's far more important that we maintain a good relationship with their ruling elite. Bush did a great job of that. Obama seems, at times, to be working hard to do the opposite.

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/04_03/BushDM0507_468x308.jpg

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/04_03/queenbushG0705_468x306.jpg

mlyonsd
05-28-2011, 07:08 PM
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/04_03/BushDM0507_468x308.jpg

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/04_03/queenbushG0705_468x306.jpg:LOL: Desperation sets in.

ClevelandBronco
05-29-2011, 09:35 PM
No, seriously, dude. orange, Direckshun, Jenson, Dave Lane — there's proof that you can be both intelligent and liberal...

Oh. And banyon, of course. He doesn't post here nearly enough.

Ugly Duck
05-30-2011, 03:20 AM
Say what you will about George W. Bush, but he wouldn't have repeatedly insulted one of our closest allies like this clown has.

Your observation might carry more weight if our closest European allies agreed with you. But they most emphatically do not.

Pew Poll: A new survey finds that a majority of Europeans approve of, and trust, America's new president. A majority of Germans (93 percent) think that Obama will do the "right thing" when it comes to foreign policy --almost 80 percent more than in the Bush years. "His high ratings reflect personal confidence in him, and a sense that he will be much different than Bush Other European nations, including France, Great Britain and Spain, have also developed friendlier attitudes toward America.

Meanwhile, Bush had numbers like this in Great Britain: Even as President George W. Bush's mind may be firmly fixed on the lowest domestic job approval ratings of his presidency, a new Gallup survey* reveals that the British public gives Bush a far lower job approval rating than he gets at home. Less than a fifth of Britons (19%) approve of the job Bush is doing as president of the United States, while 73% disapprove. 37 percent called the U.S. president (Bush) "stupid," while only 6 percent described him as articulate and 10 percent as intelligent.

Mr. Flopnuts
05-30-2011, 04:34 AM
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l4voc82s121qb3riko1_250.gif

patteeu
05-30-2011, 08:33 AM
Your observation might carry more weight if our closest European allies agreed with you. But they most emphatically do not.

Pew Poll: A new survey finds that a majority of Europeans approve of, and trust, America's new president. A majority of Germans (93 percent) think that Obama will do the "right thing" when it comes to foreign policy --almost 80 percent more than in the Bush years. "His high ratings reflect personal confidence in him, and a sense that he will be much different than Bush Other European nations, including France, Great Britain and Spain, have also developed friendlier attitudes toward America.

Meanwhile, Bush had numbers like this in Great Britain: Even as President George W. Bush's mind may be firmly fixed on the lowest domestic job approval ratings of his presidency, a new Gallup survey* reveals that the British public gives Bush a far lower job approval rating than he gets at home. Less than a fifth of Britons (19%) approve of the job Bush is doing as president of the United States, while 73% disapprove. 37 percent called the U.S. president (Bush) "stupid," while only 6 percent described him as articulate and 10 percent as intelligent.

I've already addressed this irrelevant argument.

Ugly Duck
05-30-2011, 10:47 AM
I've already addressed this irrelevant argument.

So it's irrelevant that our European allies themselves don't agree with you that they are insulted by the President & were more comfortable with Bush? The relevancy is that the facts belie your postulate. That kinda stuff is really important to serious debaters.

This from the king of the 'we win, you suck' howler monkeys

“I would rather be the offspring of two apes than be a man and afraid to face the truth.” - Huxley

patteeu
05-30-2011, 11:06 AM
So it's irrelevant that our European allies themselves don't agree with you that they are insulted by the President & were more comfortable with Bush? The relevancy is that the facts belie your postulate. That kinda stuff is really important to serious debaters.



“I would rather be the offspring of two apes than be a man and afraid to face the truth.” - Huxley

You're talking about the schmucks in the European streets, not the people I'm talking about.

mlyonsd
05-30-2011, 11:12 AM
Your observation might carry more weight if our closest European allies agreed with you. But they most emphatically do not.

Pew Poll: A new survey finds that a majority of Europeans approve of, and trust, America's new president. A majority of Germans (93 percent) think that Obama will do the "right thing" when it comes to foreign policy --almost 80 percent more than in the Bush years. "His high ratings reflect personal confidence in him, and a sense that he will be much different than Bush Other European nations, including France, Great Britain and Spain, have also developed friendlier attitudes toward America.

Meanwhile, Bush had numbers like this in Great Britain: Even as President George W. Bush's mind may be firmly fixed on the lowest domestic job approval ratings of his presidency, a new Gallup survey* reveals that the British public gives Bush a far lower job approval rating than he gets at home. Less than a fifth of Britons (19%) approve of the job Bush is doing as president of the United States, while 73% disapprove. 37 percent called the U.S. president (Bush) "stupid," while only 6 percent described him as articulate and 10 percent as intelligent.

Of course they think Obama would do the right thing with foreign policy. They've already duped the dope into fighting an illegal Libyan war against a country that poses no threat to us so they can have cheaper oil.

JohnnyV13
05-30-2011, 02:01 PM
Oh for pete's sake. There were multiple f ups here. The band screwed up b/c they thought obama was finished talking. Obama screwed up b/c he didn't cue to the fact that you're supposed to be silent when they play "God Save the Queen" in England.

Sure, its similar etiquette to silence during the national anthem here, but still.

I know...lets start a war with england over it. "Your band didn't respect the president of the united states!" "You didn't respect the Queen!".

Yay...lets kill 2 million people!

Ugly Duck
05-30-2011, 03:06 PM
You're talking about the schmucks in the European streets, not the people I'm talking about.

But.... but that makes yours an untestable hypothesis. Decorum of the British ruling elite precludes them from communicating any perceived insult from either President Obama or Bush. Since we don't specify "Ruling Elite Only" in polls, we cannot use the resulting "street scum" opinion polls to either support or to refute your postulate. The only data are a few Queenly glares directed at Bush that don't even rise to the level of anecdotal evidence. So each is left with nothing but his own personal bias to decide whether the British elite are insulted by Bush or by the President. C'mon - include the opinion of the British in general... at least then we'd have something measurable! Here's one of my favorites, a UK YouGov poll in '07:

Britons evaluating the leadership qualities of George W Bush:
1% saw George W Bush as a "great leader"
15% deemed him "reasonably satisfactory".
34% thought him "pretty poor".
43% thought of him as a "terrible leader".

Maybe the 1% that think Bush was a great leader are actually the Ruling Elite. Then again, the Ruling Elite might be part of the 37% that say he is "stupid" - we'll never know...

vailpass
05-30-2011, 04:23 PM
An obama supporter AND a Raider fan.
*shudder*

patteeu
05-30-2011, 04:28 PM
There's Ugly Duck insisting that we limit our search to the area under the lamppost because that's where the light is. Nevermind the fact that we know that what we seek is nowhere near that lamppost. :shake:

Ugly Duck
05-30-2011, 07:51 PM
There's Ugly Duck insisting that we limit our search to the area under the lamppost because that's where the light is. Nevermind the fact that we know that what we seek is nowhere near that lamppost. :shake:

Dude... Here I am getting all hypersyllabic & stuff to convince Cleveland that I'm not stupid. Then you go & ruin it all by saying something that goes right over my head. I have no idea what your reply means, but I'm pretty dang sure it's inaccurate!

HonestChieffan
05-30-2011, 07:55 PM
Dude... Here I am getting all hypersyllabic & stuff to convince Cleveland that I'm not stupid. Then you go & ruin it all by saying something that goes right over my head. I have no idea what your reply means, but I'm pretty dang sure it's inaccurate!

You raise an interesting question. How would someone prove you are not stupid?
Let me know and I'll run with it.

Ugly Duck
05-30-2011, 08:18 PM
You raise an interesting question. How would someone prove you are not stupid?
Let me know and I'll run with it.

I honestly believe that you'd have to be stupid to think I'm stupid. But my own opinion of myself might not be objective enough for your purposes. Try polling a buncha totally objective subjects - none of whom are stupid.

HonestChieffan
05-30-2011, 08:53 PM
I honestly believe that you'd have to be stupid to think I'm stupid. But my own opinion of myself might not be objective enough for your purposes. Try polling a buncha totally objective subjects - none of whom are stupid.


I'm on it.