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ROYC75
06-01-2011, 11:46 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/atlantic/20110601/pl_atlantic/hermancainsaysprovesteapartyisntracist38345_1

Herman Cain explains in a video from his presidential campaign that he "left that Democrat plantation a long time ago--and I ain't going back!" Cain is not well known, but the Republican primary voters who do know him like him a lot. Gallup found he's well ahead of the rest of the GOP 2012 pack in his positive intensity score, which is the percentage of people who have strongly favorable feelings about him minus the percentage who have strongly unfavorable feelings. The Tea Party loves him, which is interesting, given that another recent Tea Party favorite was Donald Trump. It's been just over a month since Trump's birther campaign, with its troubling racial undertones, compelled President Obama to release his long-form birth certificate. Trump immediately moved on to demanding Obama's college transcripts, implying he had benefited from affirmative action.

So it's notable that in his new video, Cain addresses race directly, saying, "To all of those people who say that the Tea Party is a racist organization, eat your words." The evidence? Herman Cain: while a countryish guitar-strummer sings about "the Cain train," the Republican candidate explains, "My great, great grandparents were slaves, and now I’m running for President of the United States of America. Is this a great country, or what?" One woman in the video says yes, the Tea Party is "about color... red, white, and blue." Cain, who grew up in Jim Crow-era Atlanta, is referred to as a "son of the South."


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The more I listen to this guy, the more I like his common sense approach.

Now if he can handle the National Security interest well, he would be my leading candidate. I'm interested to see and hear more of this guy.

Anybody else ?

oldandslow
06-01-2011, 11:53 AM
No chance.

ChiTown
06-01-2011, 11:56 AM
Common sense and practical business experience don't play well in Washington.

vailpass
06-01-2011, 11:59 AM
Ugh. Last thing this country needs.

ROYC75
06-01-2011, 12:03 PM
No chance.

Maybe true, he is a long shot.

But I don't recall saying he would make it.

ROYC75
06-01-2011, 12:04 PM
Common sense and practical business experience don't play well in Washington.

Uh, the guy we have now has no common sense ( or very little of it) and absolutely no business experience.

So how is this working out for us ?

Right, not to good.

ROYC75
06-01-2011, 12:04 PM
Ugh. Last thing this country needs.

What is ?

alpha_omega
06-01-2011, 12:25 PM
He turned Godfathers back in to a $$$ maker...maybe he can turn the country around???

go bowe
06-01-2011, 12:29 PM
the guy knows less about foreign affairs than palin...

yeah, that's right, less than palin...

ROYC75
06-01-2011, 12:53 PM
the guy knows less about foreign affairs than palin...

yeah, that's right, less than palin...


This is the only thing so far that I dislike, not saying I like everything about him. Just in the exploratory stages of all the candidates.

But, one could always surround himself with top notch FP personnel. I believe this is what a staff is suppose to consist of? No ?

Funny, Obama forgot to do this.

go bowe
06-01-2011, 12:56 PM
This is the only thing so far that I dislike, not saying I like everything about him. Just in the exploratory stages of all the candidates.

But, one could always surround himself with top notch FP personnel. I believe this is what a staff is suppose to consist of? No ?

Funny, Obama forgot to do this.

top notch?

if you disagree with the fp of the current administration, the fp advisers are not top notch, is that what you're saying?

but if you do agree with the policy, then the advisors are top notch?

why am i not surprised, roy?

go bowe
06-01-2011, 12:59 PM
This is the only thing so far that I dislike, not saying I like everything about him. Just in the exploratory stages of all the candidates.

But, one could always surround himself with top notch FP personnel. I believe this is what a staff is suppose to consist of? No ?

Funny, Obama forgot to do this.

staff can only do so much...

the guy didn't know what the right of return was, even when the discussion was about israel which should have given him a clue...

Bewbies
06-01-2011, 01:04 PM
the guy knows less about foreign affairs than palin...

yeah, that's right, less than palin...

You could make similar comments about different areas for every candidate. That's why they have a cabinet and advisors. I don't know why people think the President needs to be an expert of everything, that's impossible.

go bowe
06-01-2011, 01:20 PM
You could make similar comments about different areas for every candidate. That's why they have a cabinet and advisors. I don't know why people think the President needs to be an expert of everything, that's impossible.

i dunno...

i think there's a pretty big difference between being an expert and having the general knowledge of the situation that anyone who has been paying attention at all to the arab-israeli conflict for the last 40 years or so...

a president ought to have at least some idea of current events that are so important to our fp and to our ally, israel...

the man seems to be woefully ignorant of even the most basic issues...

he should go back to pizza, he's out of his league in the field of foreign affairs...

mlyonsd
06-01-2011, 01:22 PM
he should go back to pizza, he's out of his league in the field of foreign affairs...So was the current president, at least until after he took office and started following the path of his predecessor. :p:p:p

go bowe
06-01-2011, 01:25 PM
So was the current president, at least until after he took office and started following the path of his predecessor. :p:p:p

bill clinton?

ronald reagan?

jfk?

harry truman?

of whom do you speak?

vailpass
06-01-2011, 01:27 PM
What is ?

Another POTUS with zero insider experience, zero foreign policy knowledge, zero experience in political concensus building/forcing. Cain may be good for the pizza business but is very unpolished as a candidate for Commander in Chief of the largest military in the world.

Bewbies
06-01-2011, 01:34 PM
So was the current president, at least until after he took office and started following the path of his predecessor. :p:p:p

Our President is the least qualified man in every room he walks in.

ROYC75
06-01-2011, 01:52 PM
top notch?

if you disagree with the fp of the current administration, the fp advisers are not top notch, is that what you're saying?

but if you do agree with the policy, then the advisors are top notch?

why am i not surprised, roy?

I do not agree with Obama's FP or his current so called top notch advisers, crap his whole staff practically.

BTA, I'm not surprised by your response either.;)

ROYC75
06-01-2011, 01:53 PM
You could make similar comments about different areas for every candidate. That's why they have a cabinet and advisors. I don't know why people think the President needs to be an expert of everything, that's impossible.

This.

go bowe
06-01-2011, 02:02 PM
roy, you do know what the right of return refers to, don't you?

and that makes you more qualified than this guy... :p

ROYC75
06-01-2011, 02:30 PM
roy, you do know what the right of return refers to, don't you?

and that makes you more qualified than this guy... :p

Sure, everybody has a right to return to ........ Since this is the ME I presume we are talking about, Palestinians are exercising their rights.

mnchiefsguy
06-01-2011, 02:35 PM
roy, you do know what the right of return refers to, don't you?

and that makes you more qualified than this guy... :p

Cain's answer to the right of return question was bad. However, I do like the fact that he did not try to sugar coat the fact he gave a bad answer. He admitted in later interviews he did not know the question, and has said he has since educated himself on the issue. The fact that he is willing to admit a lack of knowledge on something, and, more importantly, seek out knowledge to educate himself on an issue, did win some points from me. Don't have enough knowledge about him yet to say yay or nay, but the fact that he is confident enough in himself to admit he does not know something is a positive attribute.

Bewbies
06-01-2011, 03:37 PM
Cain's answer to the right of return question was bad. However, I do like the fact that he did not try to sugar coat the fact he gave a bad answer. He admitted in later interviews he did not know the question, and has said he has since educated himself on the issue. The fact that he is willing to admit a lack of knowledge on something, and, more importantly, seek out knowledge to educate himself on an issue, did win some points from me. Don't have enough knowledge about him yet to say yay or nay, but the fact that he is confident enough in himself to admit he does not know something is a positive attribute.

This is crazy. The President should know absolutely everything there is to know about everything.

Chocolate Hog
06-01-2011, 03:39 PM
Cain is a dumbass.

ROYC75
06-01-2011, 03:46 PM
Cain is a dumbass.

Well, I certainly do not expect him to win the nomination.


I only said I like the way he talks with common sense. With that said, he hasn't said very much , yet. He may not ever, I dunno.

patteeu
06-01-2011, 03:47 PM
The "right of return" thing was embarrassing, but I'll take "embarrassing with an ability to learn" over "dangerous", "naive" and "incompetent" any day.

patteeu
06-01-2011, 03:50 PM
Well, I certainly do not expect him to win the nomination.


I only said I like the way he talks with common sense. With that said, he hasn't said very much , yet. He may not ever, I dunno.

Don't back down, Roy. Cain is a fine fellow. He may or may not be the best man to nominate in our efforts to make Obama a one term president, but he's a decent, accomplished man who wouldn't adopt an isolationist foreign policy and wouldn't embrace big government socialism at every opportunity.

Hydrae
06-01-2011, 04:06 PM
The only thing I know about Cain is that he is strongly in favor of the Fair Tax concept.

ROYC75
06-01-2011, 05:02 PM
Don't back down, Roy. Cain is a fine fellow. He may or may not be the best man to nominate in our efforts to make Obama a one term president, but he's a decent, accomplished man who wouldn't adopt an isolationist foreign policy and wouldn't embrace big government socialism at every opportunity.


I can relate to this. Having common sense and surrounding yourself with a good cabinet can make a very good POTUS.

Too often, people want somebody that knows it all as POTUS. Personally, we have that now and it's not working out too well.

notorious
06-01-2011, 06:28 PM
I definately see myself voting for this man.


It sucks that money is going to hold him back. Money should have nothing to do with our political world, but it is everything.

Chocolate Hog
06-01-2011, 06:56 PM
Don't back down, Roy. Cain is a fine fellow. He may or may not be the best man to nominate in our efforts to make Obama a one term president, but he's a decent, accomplished man who wouldn't adopt an isolationist foreign policy and wouldn't embrace big government socialism at every opportunity.

And he doesn't know the difference between the constitution and The Declaration of Independence.

Bewbies
06-01-2011, 06:58 PM
Don't back down, Roy. Cain is a fine fellow. He may or may not be the best man to nominate in our efforts to make Obama a one term president, but he's a decent, accomplished man who wouldn't adopt an isolationist foreign policy and wouldn't embrace big government socialism at every opportunity.

Bingo. Ron Paul fans would actually like him if they'd look into him.

BucEyedPea
06-01-2011, 06:59 PM
And he doesn't know the difference between the constitution and The Declaration of Independence.

He's being put out there by DC/Bank insiders. He's a Fed'ster and pro-bank bailout. He is already on record saying everyone should support the bank bailouts. So he supports criminals. He's a fraud and is more of the same. Plus his pizza sukks. Never elect a businessman who can't make a decent pizza.

Bewbies
06-01-2011, 06:59 PM
And he doesn't know the difference between the constitution and The Declaration of Independence.

Do you honestly believe this?

Bewbies
06-01-2011, 07:00 PM
He's being put out there by DC/Bank insiders. He's a Fed'ster and pro-bank bailout. He is already on record saying everyone should support the bank bailouts. So he supports criminals. He's a fraud and is more of the same. Plus his pizza sukks. Never elect a businessman who can't make a decent pizza.

Um, swing and a miss. I've personally listened to him rant against the bailouts.

Chocolate Hog
06-01-2011, 07:00 PM
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ROFL

BucEyedPea
06-01-2011, 07:01 PM
Do you honestly believe this?

Uhm, well he has said everyone should support the bank bailouts....I don't know where that is in the Constitution and it does violate basic rights in the Bill of Rights.

BucEyedPea
06-01-2011, 07:01 PM
Um, swing and a miss. I've personally listened to him rant against the bailouts.

Oh yeah, when? Sounds like he may be changing his tune to get elected. These cats KNOW what they can't say. Just like Obama on Iraq. Then he gives us Libya.

Nope, no swing and a miss. Provide some dates. Otherwise, it's more like some are being duped.

Bewbies
06-01-2011, 07:02 PM
Uhm, well he has said everyone should support the bank bailouts....I don't know where that is in the Constitution and it does violate basic rights in the Bill of Rights.

That's not what I was asking if he believed.

Chocolate Hog
06-01-2011, 07:02 PM
Do you honestly believe this?

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Show me where “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” appear in the constitution LMAO

Chocolate Hog
06-01-2011, 07:05 PM
Herman Cain the small government candidate also supported TARP and ran as a Bush Republican in 2004. Seriously Bewbies i'd study the guys positions before I supported him.

Bewbies
06-01-2011, 07:06 PM
Oh yeah, when? Sounds like he may be changing his tune to get elected.

At least a year ago, if not 2, long before there were even rumblings that he was thinking about jumping in the ring.

I spent a lot of evenings in my car listening to his views on this stuff, and getting behind bailouts isn't what I ever heard. Maybe you have better sources though.

Jenson71
06-01-2011, 07:07 PM
Uhm, well he has said everyone should support the bank bailouts....I don't know where that is in the Constitution and it does violate basic rights in the Bill of Rights.

Which Bill of Rights does the bank bailout violate?

Bewbies
06-01-2011, 07:08 PM
Herman Cain the small government candidate also supported TARP and ran as a Bush Republican in 2004. Seriously Bewbies i'd study the guys positions before I supported him.

I don't have "my guy" at this point. The race hasn't even started....

I liked Ron Paul last time, but I've come to the conclusion he's a crazy old bastard with a bunch of zombies that follow him. So I've ruled him and Obama out thus far.

Chocolate Hog
06-01-2011, 07:11 PM
I don't have "my guy" at this point. The race hasn't even started....

I liked Ron Paul last time, but I've come to the conclusion he's a crazy old bastard with a bunch of zombies that follow him. So I've ruled him and Obama out thus far.

You don't think every candidate has its followers?

Jenson71
06-01-2011, 07:13 PM
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Show me where “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” appear in the constitution LMAO

That is pretty funny, considering he's lecturing on how people need to read the Constitution.

Chocolate Hog
06-01-2011, 07:14 PM
That is pretty funny, considering he's lecturing on how people need to read the Constitution.

Maybe he was just quizing them and they all FAILED because the constitution has became nothing more than a talking point for Repubs.

BucEyedPea
06-01-2011, 07:15 PM
At least a year ago, if not 2, long before there were even rumblings that he was thinking about jumping in the ring.

I spent a lot of evenings in my car listening to his views on this stuff, and getting behind bailouts isn't what I ever heard. Maybe you have better sources though.
Would that be on Neil Boortz's show? Boortz is a NeoCon.

Cain said this in 2008. He denies it now using verbal sleight-of-hand by saying it's out of context but it's BS. He's covering up. He also chided people who believed in free markets. He was Deputy Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. Now he says he doesn't agree with everything the Federal Reserve does. BS. He is no Tea Party guy.

Bunch of material here:
http://www.dailypaul.com/153575/herman-cain-2012-hopeful-theres-no-reason-to-audit-the-federal-reserve


http://youtu.be/Ol45PnAIFRU


http://youtu.be/2aScniZ1-3k

Jenson71
06-01-2011, 07:16 PM
Maybe he was just quizing them and they all FAILED because the constitution has became nothing more than a talking point for Repubs.

I don't know what you mean. The Constitution continues to be the only supreme law and framework of our government.

BucEyedPea
06-01-2011, 07:17 PM
Says his own plan can't work because they waited too long. He talks out of both sides of his mouth here:

http://youtu.be/Q1j9EEl4GGw

Jenson71
06-01-2011, 07:18 PM
Would that be on Neil Boortz's show? Boortz is a NeoCon.

Holy ad hominem, batman.

orange
06-01-2011, 07:18 PM
Never elect a businessman who can't make a decent pizza.

Hear, hear! That reminds me of the commercials for some Italian grills around here where the two portly brothers who owned it said their father always said, "never trust a skinny cook."

BucEyedPea
06-01-2011, 07:22 PM
I don't have "my guy" at this point. The race hasn't even started....

I liked Ron Paul last time, but I've come to the conclusion he's a crazy old bastard with a bunch of zombies that follow him. So I've ruled him and Obama out thus far.

Well, then you might as well resign yourself to the status quo. It's going to take someone very different to change things. Unfortunately that's the reality. It's also the reality that as the world goes mad that a sane and rational person is considered crazy. He's radical...I can admit that. But all radical means is getting to the root of things. That's what's needed. I basically feel that Paul has to still work with a congress and that would temper things. That people think a president can just do all he wants....is a serious flaw in our current electorate who suffer from Moses Syndrome.

BucEyedPea
06-01-2011, 07:23 PM
Hear, hear! That reminds me of the commercials for some Italian grills around here where the two portly brothers who owned it said their father always said, "never trust a skinny cook."

He'll turn the country into a greasy fast food eatery! :p;)

BucEyedPea
06-01-2011, 07:24 PM
Holy ad hominem, batman.

That's just a word to summarize his views instead of having to type them out every time. I think most here know what ideas that stands for by now.
Boortz= status quo. Besides, I wasn't debating him here.

Jenson71
06-01-2011, 07:27 PM
That's just a word to summarize his views instead of having to type them out every time. I think most here know what ideas that stands for by now.
Boortz= status quo. Besides, I wasn't debating him here.

What does Boortz being a neocon have to do with Cain's position on bank bailouts? Nothing. Yet you indicated it made the argument. That made no sense.

BucEyedPea
06-01-2011, 07:31 PM
What does Boortz being a neocon have to do with Cain's position on bank bailouts? Nothing. That made no sense.

Are you here to stir up shit or start a fight? Sure seems like it. I don't know how you even came off ignore. But I'm gonna have to fix it.

To answer your question ( and this will be my last response to you while you go into Donger mode and I don't have the time for that):
Bewbie said he heard what Cain said on a certain show. I know Cain was on Boortz so I was wondering if it was there. So if Boortz likes him....for me it means "BEWARE." Same for Dick Morris. I don't know if that's where Bewbies heard Cain though. I was just speculating.

Jenson71
06-01-2011, 07:33 PM
Are you here to stir up shit or start a fight? Sure seems like it. I don't know how you even came off ignore. But I'm gonna have to fix it.


Does this mean you won't be addressing which Bill of Right(s) was/were violated by the bank bailouts?

BucEyedPea
06-01-2011, 07:34 PM
You can look any of those questions up by reading the document, Boortz's and Cain's views. Even though you questions are rhetorical. You should start your own thread too instead of hijacking this one.

Jenson71
06-01-2011, 07:40 PM
You can look any of those questions up by reading the document, Boortz's and Cain's views. Even though you questions are rhetorical. You should start your own thread too instead of hijacking this one.

No, I'm fine with this. I appreciate the suggestion, though.

Chocolate Hog
06-01-2011, 07:42 PM
I don't know what you mean. The Constitution continues to be the only supreme law and framework of our government.

Not really.

BucEyedPea
06-01-2011, 07:43 PM
Not really.

I see he's still wants to change the argument altogether in this thread.

BucEyedPea
06-01-2011, 07:45 PM
Look, the Constitution, including the Bill of Rights protects liberty and property. The Ninth Amendment protects rights not listed. The Bank Bailouts were the biggest bank heist in history and you and I are suffering and paying for it. Actually, for all that led up to it already amply discussed here several times over. Rinse and Repeat.

patteeu
06-01-2011, 07:49 PM
You don't think every candidate has its followers?

Not all candidates appeal to zombies.

Jenson71
06-01-2011, 07:50 PM
Not really.

Then I just wasted a ton of time and money and got a bad grade in addition.

Jenson71
06-01-2011, 07:52 PM
Look, the Constitution, including the Bill of Rights protects liberty and property. The Ninth Amendment protects rights not listed. The Bank Bailouts were the biggest bank heist in history and you and I are suffering and paying for it. Actually, for all that led up to it already amply discussed here several times over. Rinse and Repeat.

Despite this terrific argument, I'm still unconvinced that the bank bailouts were unconstitutional on 1st-10th Amendment grounds.

Chocolate Hog
06-01-2011, 07:53 PM
Not all candidates appeal to zombies.

You're talking about those who vote for a candidate because they have the D or R next to the name right?

Chocolate Hog
06-01-2011, 07:54 PM
Then I just wasted a ton of time and money and got a bad grade in addition.

We certainly don't follow the constitution like we used too.

Bewbies
06-01-2011, 07:58 PM
I never listen to Boortz, nor do I have any idea what he has to do with anything.

And I agree we're going to need an outside the box solution to fix our problems, I just disagree with the thinking that the only person capable of that is Ron Paul.

Jenson71
06-01-2011, 07:59 PM
We certainly don't follow the constitution like we used too.

People have been saying that since 1788.

Chocolate Hog
06-01-2011, 08:03 PM
I never listen to Boortz, nor do I have any idea what he has to do with anything.

And I agree we're going to need an outside the box solution to fix our problems, I just disagree with the thinking that the only person capable of that is Ron Paul.

Show me the outside the box thinkers that are currently running in the Republican primary though.

Bewbies
06-01-2011, 08:04 PM
Show me the outside the box thinkers that are currently running in the Republican primary though.

RON PAUL IS TEH ONLY 1!!

Jaric
06-01-2011, 08:23 PM
What does Boortz being a neocon have to do with Cain's position on bank bailouts? Nothing. Yet you indicated it made the argument. That made no sense.

It's fairly simple.

Neocons = wrong

therefore if Boortz = Neocon

then Boortz = wrong.

Chocolate Hog
06-01-2011, 08:43 PM
RON PAUL IS TEH ONLY 1!!

You not being able to answer the question is quite telling.

go bowe
06-01-2011, 08:55 PM
You can look any of those questions up by reading the document, Boortz's and Cain's views. Even though you questions are rhetorical. You should start your own thread too instead of hijacking this one.

you said there was a violation of the bill of rights...

all we are asking is to give peace a...

er, all we are asking is to tell us which amendment was violated, since we are too ignorant to figure it out on our own..l.

BucEyedPea
06-01-2011, 09:14 PM
I never listen to Boortz, nor do I have any idea what he has to do with anything.

You said:

I spent a lot of evenings in my car listening to his views on this stuff, and getting behind bailouts isn't what I ever heard. Maybe you have better sources though.—Bewbies

If you checked just the first link I put up in post #49, there were a few comments in there about Cain being heard on some radio shows just like you. One said he was subbing for Boortz’s on his broadcasts.

Here's that particular comment:
It takes about 15 seconds of listenting to him to figure out he's a neocon. Just like Neil Boortz is. And that's probably why Boortz has Cain doing the subbing on his show.

So I asked if "that" ( meaning where you heard it) was on Boortz's show. If you checked the link you would have tracked with that thought. 'Er I mean question.

And I agree we're going to need an outside the box solution to fix our problems, I just disagree with the thinking that the only person capable of that is Ron Paul.

No, Paul is not the only person capable. He's just the only person so far who is running who is capable—or has the better ideas. Cain, I thought I heard, is being funded by the mercantilist Koch Brothers.


Shhhh! Now y’all go back to sleep.

BucEyedPea
06-01-2011, 09:18 PM
It's fairly simple.

Neocons = wrong

therefore if Boortz = Neocon

then Boortz = wrong.

No Boortz is known as a NeoCon in enlightened circles. Ya' know even in the circles many of your own ideas hail from. That would be small govt conservatives, libertarians and libertarian leaners. Yes, even if Boortz claims to be a libertarian....he is not. Just look at some of his stands especially on FP. Anyone who attacks Paul the way he does on the arguments he does is clear evidence he is a wolf in libertarian clothing. You gotta keep up with your own crowd now. I've called Boortz that during the Iraq debacle... because well his foreign policy is clearly in that camp. That's the FP ideology just about every R is running on too. Ya' know the one they were tossed out of office for and which polls show 70% are sick and tired of. Yeah, that FP. That's NeoConservatism....the same as Obama's—making war for progressive reasons. ( which is just a lie)

Oh so now back to Cain. Cain is also for a 30% sales tax. That's another connection to Boortz as he wrote a book on the Fair Tax. Two peas in a pod.

KILLER_CLOWN
06-02-2011, 12:36 AM
No Boortz is known as a NeoCon in enlightened circles. Ya' know even in the circles many of your own ideas hail from. That would be small govt conservatives, libertarians and libertarian leaners. Yes, even if Boortz claims to be a libertarian....he is not. Just look at some of his stands especially on FP. Anyone who attacks Paul the way he does on the arguments he does is clear evidence he is a wolf in libertarian clothing. You gotta keep up with your own crowd now. I've called Boortz that during the Iraq debacle... because well his foreign policy is clearly in that camp. That's the FP ideology just about every R is running on too. Ya' know the one they were tossed out of office for and which polls show 70% are sick and tired of. Yeah, that FP. That's NeoConservatism....the same as Obama's—making war for progressive reasons. ( which is just a lie)

Oh so now back to Cain. Cain is also for a 30% sales tax. That's another connection to Boortz as he wrote a book on the Fair Tax. Two peas in a pod.

Boortz is an absolute joke, listening to his fake libertarian show is like fingers on a chalkboard. Cain is an absolute wolf in sheeps clothing, Federal Reserve Board member=GTFO!

patteeu
06-02-2011, 12:50 AM
Boortz is a libertarian who doesn't believe in an isolationist foreign policy. In fact, he embraces an assertive, peace-through-strength, America-first foreign policy like great conservative Republicans such as Reagan and Cheney.

KILLER_CLOWN
06-02-2011, 01:01 AM
Boortz is a libertarian who doesn't believe in an isolationist foreign policy. In fact, he embraces an assertive, peace-through-strength, America-first foreign policy like great conservative Republicans such as Reagan and Cheney.

Boortz is a blowhard nitwit that sounds little different than darth Cheney. I think he may be related to Cheney. Our current situation has put America first? we look to be crumbling.

alnorth
06-02-2011, 03:16 AM
He's got no chance whatsoever, but if he somehow won the nomination, then I would then lose all interest in the presidential election because Obama's 2nd term would be guaranteed.

Chocolate Hog
06-02-2011, 04:28 AM
Boortz is a libertarian who doesn't believe in an isolationist foreign policy. In fact, he embraces an assertive, peace-through-strength, America-first foreign policy like great conservative Republicans such as Reagan and Cheney.

Peace through strength LMAO now theres an oxymoron.

patteeu
06-02-2011, 07:17 AM
Peace through strength LMAO now theres an oxymoron.

Behold the wisdom of billay.

BucEyedPea
06-02-2011, 08:06 AM
Peace through strength LMAO now theres an oxymoron.
Is Pat still making that stupid left-wing and progressive "isolationist" argument? He can make it all he wants but THAT right there is what defines a Neo Con too. This is just more evidence since the non-aggression doctrine is the hallmark of libertarianism.

Meanwhile, we've been attacking countries that can't even defend themselves and who did not attack us. That's the FP of a bully never mind even "isolationism" entering into the argument. Speaking of "isolationism" that faux argument was coined by the internationalist left who want the whole world under it's power. It's very old hat anyway and a strawman to boot.

BucEyedPea
06-02-2011, 08:14 AM
Boortz is a blowhard nitwit that sounds little different than darth Cheney. I think he may be related to Cheney. Our current situation has put America first? we look to be crumbling.

His campaign bumper stickers should say:

More Quantitive Easing is Patriotic!

patteeu
06-02-2011, 08:18 AM
Is Pat still making that stupid left-wing and progressive "isolationist" argument? He can make it all he wants but THAT right there is what defines a Neo Con too. This is just more evidence since the non-aggression doctrine is the hallmark of libertarianism.

Meanwhile, we've been attacking countries that can't even defend themselves and who did not attack us. That's the FP of a bully never mind even "isolationism" entering into the argument. Speaking of "isolationism" that faux argument was coined by the internationalist left who want the whole world under it's power. It's very old hat anyway and a strawman to boot.

The way neocon has been used in the last few years, by you and by others, it's got so many meanings that it no longer has a meaning. I'm not embarrassed to say that I hold the same foreign policy views as many real neocons. I'm still a libertarian though.

Which countries have we attacked that didn't either attack us or harbor those who did? Iraq and Libya have both attacked us and Afghanistan harbored al Qaeda who attacked us. Now if you want to say that the Libyan attack had gotten pretty stale and that there had been an intervening step toward some level of rapprochement, then I'd agree.

BucEyedPea
06-02-2011, 08:20 AM
Shhh! Go back to bed and sleep tight.

Bewbies
06-02-2011, 08:27 AM
Oh so now back to Cain. Cain is also for a 30% sales tax. That's another connection to Boortz as he wrote a book on the Fair Tax. Two peas in a pod.

It's called the Fair Tax, and it's not 30%. LMAO

You and Billay are really doing a bangup job here of showing us the light.

Bewbies
06-02-2011, 08:28 AM
You not being able to answer the question is quite telling.

Please. You should get back to your Ron Paul blogs before mom comes downstairs and tells you to get dressed.

Rausch
06-02-2011, 08:34 AM
He's got no chance whatsoever, but if he somehow won the nomination, then I would then lose all interest in the presidential election because Obama's 2nd term would be guaranteed.

If the others are dumb enough to let Cain in the debates they'll get killed.

ChiTown
06-02-2011, 09:00 AM
Peace through strength LMAO now theres an oxymoron.

:spock:

mlyonsd
06-02-2011, 09:02 AM
:spock:

I guess he missed that whole cold war thing with Russia.

BucEyedPea
06-02-2011, 09:04 AM
It's called the Fair Tax, and it's not 30%. LMAO


I know all about the Fair Tax since I was in on it's early developments back in the 90's. But it was, as I recall, only about 16% back then. Then it climbed to about 20-22%. Last I read, which was just a day or so ago, Cain supports 30%. That's too high but it shows how much the govt is growing. Anyhow, I was also showing his connection to Boortz since you said you didn't see that.

I'll see if I can find where I read that 30% by Cain again.


You and Billay are really doing a bangup job here of showing us the light.
Thank you, sorta. :hmmm: ;)

Chocolate Hog
06-02-2011, 09:12 AM
I guess he missed that whole cold war thing with Russia.

LMAO not a single shot was fired at Russia. WHOOPS! Damn those isolationist for not bombing Russia!

Chocolate Hog
06-02-2011, 09:15 AM
Please. You should get back to your Ron Paul blogs before mom comes downstairs and tells you to get dressed.

Hilarious. You came in here blindly supporting Herman Cain yet you didn't even know he supported TARP. You can't even answer the question. Now hurry up and sign off before dad beats you again.

patteeu
06-02-2011, 09:17 AM
It's called the Fair Tax, and it's not 30%. LMAO

You and Billay are really doing a bangup job here of showing us the light.

You're right to be skeptical of BEP's claims and her subsequent response to this shows that she doesn't understand what she's talking about, but in this case she's right (in a way). The FAIR tax rate is 23% of the total price of a retail consumer product. But it's 30% of the pre-tax price. In other words, an item priced at $1.00 ends up costing the consumer $1.30. 30 cents is 23% of $1.30. So if we talk about the FAIR tax rate the way we normally talk about sales tax rates, we'd say it's 30%. If we talk about it like we talk about the income tax rate, we'd say it's 23%.

vailpass
06-02-2011, 11:35 AM
Peace through strength LMAO now theres an oxymoron.

LMAO not a single shot was fired at Russia. WHOOPS! Damn those isolationist for not bombing Russia!



You poor dumb bastard.

Chocolate Hog
06-02-2011, 02:07 PM
You poor dumb bastard.

i·ro·ny1    
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1.
the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.
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a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated.
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vailpass
06-02-2011, 02:09 PM
i·ro·ny1    
[ahy-ruh-nee, ahy-er-] Show IPA
–noun, plural -nies.
1.
the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.
2.
Literature .
a.
a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated.
b.
(especially in contemporary writing) a manner of organizing a work so as to give full expression to contradictory or complementary impulses, attitudes, etc., especially as a means of indicating detachment from a subject, theme, or emotion.


Is this your peace through strength approach?

mlyonsd
06-02-2011, 02:10 PM
You poor dumb bastard.Ask him what the right of return means.

Chocolate Hog
06-02-2011, 02:16 PM
Is this your peace through strength approach?

You're too stupid to figure this out Patteau was advocating occupying nations someone else brought up the Cold War. This might surprise you but back then we we're occupying nations instead we were building up an army. So in the very least Patteaus statement is a contradiction.

patteeu
06-02-2011, 02:18 PM
You're too stupid to figure this out Patteau was advocating occupying nations someone else brought up the Cold War. This might surprise you but back then we we're occupying nations instead we were building up an army. So in the very least Patteaus statement is a contradiction.

I didn't say anything that could reasonably be construed as "advocating occupying nations".

Chocolate Hog
06-02-2011, 02:23 PM
I didn't say anything that could reasonably be construed as "advocating occupying nations".

Now you're back tracking. You cheer lead the Iraq war and going to war with Iran every chance you get.

vailpass
06-02-2011, 02:23 PM
Ask him what the right of return means.

LMAO
That's what WalMart gives him in case the mullet cream he bought doesn't work.

patteeu
06-02-2011, 02:31 PM
Now you're back tracking. You cheer lead the Iraq war and going to war with Iran every chance you get.

I'm not back tracking at all. You said that I was advocating something I didn't even mention. Peace through strength is an independent concept from Iraq and as far as Iran is concerned, I can't remember calling for war although I definitely think Iran's actions would make a war justified, so to say that I cheerlead for it every chance I get is a pretty big whopper.

BucEyedPea
06-02-2011, 02:50 PM
Okay I saw it on Economic Policy which linked it to the NYT. It would come to 30% per this.

The rate would be set at 23 percent — but only if you accept the unconventional way in which Fair Tax supporters insist on calculating it. If calculated the way state and local sales taxes are calculated, the Fair Tax rate is actually 30 percent.
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/24/is-the-fair-tax-herman-cains-ace-in-the-hole/?src=tptw

Rausch
06-02-2011, 03:09 PM
Hilarious. You came in here blindly supporting Herman Cain yet you didn't even know he supported TARP.

He has, on numerous times, explained why he was FOR the idea and AGAINST what it became...

Rausch
06-02-2011, 03:11 PM
I didn't say anything that could reasonably be construed as "advocating occupying nations".

We consistently do this.

Why is this now a problem?

Chocolate Hog
06-02-2011, 03:17 PM
He has, on numerous times, explained why he was FOR the idea and AGAINST what it became...

Wasn't the Tea Party started because of the TARP program? And this guy calls himself a Tea Party candidate. He also supports raising the debt ceiling. :facepalm:

patteeu
06-02-2011, 03:27 PM
We consistently do this.

Why is this now a problem?

I don't understand your question.

BucEyedPea
06-02-2011, 05:23 PM
Wasn't the Tea Party started because of the TARP program?
That was one of the starting factors as well as FP.

And this guy calls himself a Tea Party candidate. He also supports raising the debt ceiling. :facepalm:

He's part of the hijacking team of the Tea Party: Establishment Republicans, Koch Brother mercantilists ( cartel capitalists that make money from govt protection, activity and favors) and Republicans in the pocket of Federal Reserve banksters.

BucEyedPea
06-02-2011, 05:25 PM
He has, on numerous times, explained why he was FOR the idea and AGAINST what it became...

I find that too convenient when combined with who he's worked for—the Federal Reserve.
That alone, means he supports central banking which uses central planning for the economy to the benefit of their crony capitalists.

orange
06-02-2011, 08:19 PM
You're right to be skeptical of BEP's claims and her subsequent response to this shows that she doesn't understand what she's talking about, but in this case she's right (in a way).

Mass hysteria!

http://bethemedia.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/ifdemocratswin.jpg

Chocolate Hog
06-02-2011, 11:04 PM
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/05/herman-cain-aquila-lawsuit-2012




Cain served on the board of directors throughout Aquila's ill-fated trading misadventure and the subsequent collapse of the company's retirement fund. In fact, he chaired the board's compensation committee, which, according to the lawsuit, had direct oversight of the push to get employees to invest more and more in Aquila stock. As chair of the compensation committee, Cain also saw fit to dole out $30 million in bonuses, not including stock options, to the top five execs at Aquila in 2002, with the company's stock plummeting. A month after the Kansas City Star reported on the hefty bonuses in July 2002, the company laid off 500 employees, and the losses to employees holding company stock had reached hundreds of millions of dollars.

As a board member, Cain would've had direct knowledge of Aquila's activities, says Fred Taylor Isquith, a New York attorney who litigated the employee class action. Asked if it was fair to place blame on Cain for the debacle at Aquila, Isquith replied, "Yes, I believe it is."

Chocolate Hog
06-02-2011, 11:09 PM
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ROFL what an idiot

Chocolate Hog
06-02-2011, 11:11 PM
http://www.mrc.org/bmi/commentary/2005/Commentary_The_Media_Say_the_Economy_Is_Horrible_So_It_Must_Be_True.html


You could write a book just on how poor the coverage has been of the alleged housing bubble. The media have been foretelling a massive bust in housing prices for months now. On May 19, ABCs Elizabeth Vargas said: The run up in housing prices is now beginning to look something like the boom in Internet stocks, and we know what happened there. That kind of ignorance makes homeowners fear that their most expensive possession could turn worthless overnight.

That wont happen. No matter how much the media compared Bush to Herbert Hoover last year, this is not the Great Depression.

KILLER_CLOWN
06-03-2011, 12:23 AM
His campaign bumper stickers should say:

More Quantitive Easing is Patriotic!

LMAO

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