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KILLER_CLOWN
06-09-2011, 11:07 PM
Friday, June 10, 2011 by: Ethan A. Huff, staff writer

(NaturalNews) Recent data released by Dimitar Ouzounov and colleagues from the NASA Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland highlights some strange atmospheric anomalies over Japan just days before the massive earthquake and tsunami struck on March 11. Seemingly inexplicable and rapid heating of the ionosphere directly above the epicenter reached a maximum only three days prior to the quake, according to satellite observations, suggesting that directed energy emitted from transmitters used in the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) may have been responsible for inducing the quake.

Published in the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) publication Technology Review, the findings are presented alongside a different theory called Lithosphere-Atmosphere-Ionosphere Coupling, which hypothesizes that the heating in the ionosphere may have been caused by the impending earthquake as the fault line released radioactive radon. This theory, of course, is not actually proven, but is instead presented as a possible explanation for the presence of the high-density electrons and emitted infrared radiation that was observed.

Another explanation for this strange heating -- and one that, upon analysis, seems much more likely -- is that it was an indication that concentrated energy was used to induce the earthquake, and not the other way around. Numerous credible reports and scientific observations reveal that HAARP technology is fully capable of being used as a scalar weapon, meaning it can emit strong electromagnetic pulse bombs that can alter weather or trigger seismic fault lines.

Evidence that HAARP is not only capable of inducing earthquakes, but that it appears to have been used on Japan
A casual glance at the graphics presented as part of Ouzounov's research data shows near-perfect heat rings present above the epicenter of the quake. If radon emissions from the fault line were truly responsible for creating these heat zones, they would more than likely have had irregular, scattered appearances, rather than concentric circles. This anomaly by itself debunks the theory that the impending earthquake caused the heat patterns.

Also, readings from the HAARP Induction Magnetometer, which visualizes the frequency spectrum of signals detected in the earth's geomagnetic field, show that a steady, ultra-low frequency (ULF) of roughly 2.5 Hz was being broadcast days before the earthquake. The 2.5 Hz ULF happens to be the exact same frequency as the natural resonance produced by an earthquake -- and since there were no constant earthquakes occurring on the days before the quake as the HAARP Induction Magnetometer appeared to indicate, the logical conclusion is that the signal was being broadcast to induce the quake (http://presscore.ca/2011/?p=1624).

Some would argue that HAARP is not capable of producing such frequencies, especially at the power levels that would be required to induce a massive earthquake like the 9.0+ that occurred in Japan. But testimony by various governments says otherwise.

On April 28, 1997, then US Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen gave an important keynote address at the Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and US Strategy at the University of Georgia in Athens. When asked a question about terrorism, Cohen had this to say as part of his response about the type of technology that existed, even back then:

"Others are engaging even in an eco-type terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves" (http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/...).

This admission counters the claims made by some that no such technology exists, and that it is impossible to create seismic activity using directed energy. Clearly the technology has been around for a while, and the notion of it being used as a weapon is anything but a baseless conspiracy theory.

Then, there is the EU report on the environment, security and foreign policy, that was released on January 14, 1999 (http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides...). This report outlines various types of weapon threats, including a section entitled, "HAARP - a weapons system which disrupts the climate."

The paper explains that HAARP is "run jointly by the US Air Force and Navy," and that one of its purposes is "to heat up portions of ionosphere with powerful radio beams." It also states the following important details:

"HAARP can be used for many purposes. Enormous quantities of energy can be controlled by manipulating the electrical characteristics of the atmosphere. If used as a military weapon this can have a devastating impact on an enemy. HAARP can deliver millions of times more energy to a given area than any other conventional transmitter. The energy can also be aimed at a moving target which should constitute a potential anti-missile system."

Later references to HAARP describe it as "a matter of global concern," emphasizing that most people have no idea it even exists. This was written, of course, more than a decade ago -- and yet not much has changed since that time, despite several pushes to make HAARP more transparent. But if HAARP is truly responsible for helping to induce some of the seemingly natural disasters that occur in the world, it is no surprise that the program continues to be kept largely under wraps.

You can view the HAARP Fluxgate Magnetometer for yourself at the following link:

http://maestro.haarp.alaska.edu/cgi-bin/scmag/disp-scmag.cgi

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/032670_Fukushima_HAARP.html#ixzz1OqYgsak5

alnorth
06-09-2011, 11:13 PM
You are a moron.

Seriously, this isn't hyperbole or me being an ass.

If you seriously believe in this "US government caused the quakes because of electromagnetic watchamacallit research" theory, then you are a grade-A verified 100% moron.

KILLER_CLOWN
06-09-2011, 11:14 PM
You are a moron.

Seriously, this isn't hyperbole or me being an ass.

If you seriously believe in this "US government caused the quakes because of electromagnetic watchamacallit research" theory, then you are a grade-A verified 100% moron.

Not sure if i believe it, but the claims are there and at this point nothing would surprise me. I stated all of that without the usual "losing the argument namecalling" that you just demonstrated.

Silock
06-09-2011, 11:15 PM
No, it's true. I read it on the internets.

alnorth
06-09-2011, 11:15 PM
Not sure if i believe it, but the claims are there and at this point nothing would surprise me.

The fact that "this would not surprise you" also qualifies for moron status.

Not grade A 100% verified, but maybe silver level membership moron.

KILLER_CLOWN
06-09-2011, 11:19 PM
No, it's true. I saw it on the teevee.

FYP!

KILLER_CLOWN
06-09-2011, 11:22 PM
Q: Let me ask you specifically about last week's scare here in Washington, and what we might have learned from how prepared we are to deal with that (inaudible), at B'nai Brith.

A: Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the intelligence community, we had something called -- and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.

So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important.

http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=674

listopencil
06-09-2011, 11:46 PM
A: Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the intelligence community, we had something called -- and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.

http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=674


He's using climate control warfare as an example of a "false threat".

KILLER_CLOWN
06-09-2011, 11:51 PM
He's using climate control warfare as an example of a "false threat".

27. Considers HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Project) by virtue of its farreaching impact on the environment to be a global concern and calls for its legal, ecological and ethical implications to be examined by an international independent body before any further research and testing; regrets the repeated refusal of the United States Administration to send anyone in person to give evidence to the public hearing or any subsequent meeting held by its competent committee into the environmental and public risks connected with the high Frequency Active Auroral Research Project (HAARP) programme currently being funded in Alaska;

28. Requests the Scientific and Technological Options Assessment (STOA) Panel to agree to examine the scientific and technical evidence provided in all existing research findings on HAARP to assess the exact nature and degree of risk that HAARP poses both to the local and global environment and to public health generally;

29. Calls on the Commission, in collaboration with the governments of Sweden, Finland, Norway and the Russian Federation, to examine the environmental and public health implications of the HAARP programme for Arctic Europe and to report back to Parliament with its findings;

HAARP - a weapons system which disrupts the climate

On 5 February 1998 Parliament's Subcommittee on Security and Disarmament held a hearing the subject of which included HAARP. NATO and the US had been invited to send representatives, but chose not to do so. The Committee regrets the failure of the USA to send a representative to answer questions, or to use the opportunity to comment on the material submitted.(21)

HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Project) is run jointly by the US Air Force and Navy, in conjunction with the Geophysical Institute of the University of Alaska, Fairbanks. Similar experiments are also being conducted in Norway, probably in the Antarctic, as well as in the former Soviet Union.(22) HAARP is a research project using a ground based apparatus, an array of antennae each powered by its own transmitter, to heat up portions of ionosphere with powerful radio beams.(23) The energy generated heats up parts of the ionosphere; this results in holes in the ionosphere and produces artificial 'lenses'.

HAARP can be used for many purposes. Enormous quantities of energy can be controlled by manipulating the electrical characteristics of the atmosphere. If used as a military weapon this can have a devastating impact on an enemy. HAARP can deliver millions of times more energy to a given area than any other conventional transmitter. The energy can also be aimed at a moving target which should constitute a potential anti-missile system.

The project would also allow better communications with submarines and manipulation of global weather patterns, but it is also possible to do the reverse, to disrupt communications. By manipulating the ionosphere one could block global communications while transmitting one's own. Another application is earth-penetrating, tomography, x-raying the earth several kilometres deep, to detect oil and gas fields, or underground military facilities. Over-the-horizon radar is another application, looking round the curvature of the earth for in-coming objects.

From the 1950s the USA conducted explosions of nuclear material in the Van Allen Belts(24) to investigate the effect of the electro-magnetic pulse generated by nuclear weapon explosions at these heights on radio communications and the operation of radar. This created new magnetic radiation belts which covered nearly the whole earth. The electrons travelled along magnetic lines of force and created an artificial Aurora Borealis above the North Pole. These military tests are liable to disrupt the Van Allen belt for a long period. The earth's magnetic field could be disrupted over large areas, which would obstruct radio communications. According to US scientists it could take hundreds of years for the Van Allen belt to return to normal. HAARP could result in changes in weather patterns. It could also influence whole ecosystems, especially in the sensitive Antarctic regions.

Another damaging consequence of HAARP is the occurrence of holes in the ionosphere caused by the powerful radio beams. The ionosphere protects us from incoming cosmic radiation. The hope is that the holes will fill again, but our experience of change in the ozone layer points in the other direction. This means substantial holes in the ionosphere that protects us.

With its far-reaching impact on the environment HAARP is a matter of global concern and we have to ask whether its advantages really outweigh the risks. The environmental impact and the ethical aspect must be closely examined before any further research and testing takes place. HAARP is a project of which the public is almost completely unaware, and this needs to be remedied.

HAARP has links with 50 years of intensive space research for military purposes, including the Star Wars project, to control the upper atmosphere and communications. This kind of research has to be regarded as a serious threat to the environment, with an incalculable impact on human life. Even now nobody knows what impact HAARP may have. We have to beat down the wall of secrecy around military research, and set up the right to openness and democratic scrutiny of military research projects, and parliamentary control.

A series of international treaties and conventions (the Convention on the prohibition of military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques, the Antarctic Treaty, the Treaty on principles governing the activities of states in the exploration and use of outer space including the moon and other celestial bodies, and the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea) casts considerable doubt on HAARP on legal as well as humanitarian and political grounds. The Antarctic Treaty lays down that the Antarctic may be used exclusively for peaceful purposes.(25) This would mean that HAARP is a breach of international law. All the implications of the new weapons systems should be examined by independent international bodies. Further international agreements should be sought to protect the environment from unnecessary destruction in war.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+REPORT+A4-1999-0005+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN

CrazyPhuD
06-10-2011, 12:54 AM
JFC....some people clearly have a serious lead deficiency in their brains......

The fact that you consider 'naturalnews.com' an even moderately credible news source makes me feel bad for your family.

So if people want here's the actual paper. Which BTW is not peer reviewed. What does that mean? It means the credibility of the results are low. One should not express a high degree of confidence that any theory in the paper is correct.

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1105/1105.2841.pdf

However when you look at his conclusion here is what he says....

The joint analysis of atmospheric and ionospheric parameters during the M9 Tohoku earthquake has demonstrated the presence of correlated variations of ionospheric anomalies implying their connection with before the earthquake. One of the possible explanations for this relationship is the Lithosphere- Atmosphere- Ionosphere Coupling mechanism (Pulinets and Boyarchuk, 2004; Pulinets and Ouzounov, 2011), which provides the physical links between the different geochemical, atmospheric and ionospheric variations and tectonic activity. Briefly, the primary process is the ionization of the air produced by an increased emanation of radon (and other gases) from the Earth’s crust in the vicinity of active fault (Toutain and Baubron, 1998; Omori et al., 2007; Ondoh, 2009). The increased radon emanation launches the chain of physical processes, which leads to changes in the conductivity of the air and a latent heat release (increasing air temperature) due to water molecules attachment (condensation) to ions (Pulinets et al., 2007; Cervone et al., 2006; Prasad et al., 2005). Our results show evidence that process is related to the Tohoku earthquakes March 8 through 11 with a thermal build up near the epicentral area (Fig 2 and Fig.3).

His conclusion is that the data supports the theory of the radon release. Not some wild half baked crackpot analysis by people with little to no credible scientific background.

KILLER_CLOWN
06-10-2011, 12:58 AM
JFC....some people clearly have a serious lead deficiency in their brains......

The fact that you consider 'naturalnews.com' an even moderately credible news source makes me feel bad for your family.

So if people want here's the actual paper. Which BTW is not peer reviewed. What does that mean? It means the credibility of the results are low. One should not express a high degree of confidence that any theory in the paper is correct.

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1105/1105.2841.pdf

However when you look at his conclusion here is what he says....



His conclusion is that the data supports the theory of the radon release. Not some wild half baked crackpot analysis by people with little to no credible scientific background.

Obviously the European Parliament is a crackpot organization.

bowener
06-10-2011, 12:59 AM
IDK about this shit from OP, but have you guys heard of earthquake lights?

CrazyPhuD
06-10-2011, 01:35 AM
Obviously the European Parliament is a crackpot organization.

With 110% certainty...yes...seriously have you ever been out of this country, more specifically have you ever spent significant time in any european country. There are wack jobs all over european politics. Just from simple background search there are at least 5-10 neoNazi party members in the European Parliament right now and likely more. Hell while we may think we have some crazies in congress they pale in comparison to some of the far left and far right parties in europe. The man reason that they are able to be involved is because they don't have a two party system. So small parties and 3rd, 4th, 5th parties can actually have a viable political future.

Ultimately you're talking about a <10 line section of a multihundred line document, that ultimately went nowhere, it's not even clear it made it out of committee and hit the parliament floor. What is clear is that it's ultimate outcome was that the report was tabled. Not even an up or down vote by the full body of parliament.

I'll go with crazy nutjob for $1000, on this one any day.

mikey23545
06-10-2011, 01:46 AM
With 110% certainty...yes...seriously have you ever been out of this country, more specifically have you ever spent significant time in any european country. There are wack jobs all over european politics. Just from simple background search there are at least 5-10 neoNazi party members in the European Parliament right now and likely more. Hell while we may think we have some crazies in congress they pale in comparison to some of the far left and far right parties in europe. The man reason that they are able to be involved is because they don't have a two party system. So small parties and 3rd, 4th, 5th parties can actually have a viable political future.

Ultimately you're talking about a <10 line section of a multihundred line document, that ultimately went nowhere, it's not even clear it made it out of committee and hit the parliament floor. What is clear is that it's ultimate outcome was that the report was tabled. Not even an up or down vote by the full body of parliament.

I'll go with crazy nutjob for $1000, on this one any day.

Nice research, dude. You blew this piece of solidified paranoia right out of the water. Two things to keep in mind, though...

1) Nuts can generate tripe like this a lot faster than you can research and debunk it. You'll never keep up.

2) Even if you could, all the INSANE_CLOWNs of the world will still choose to believe the crackpots.

Save your breath.

KILLER_CLOWN
06-10-2011, 02:13 AM
For anyone interested(and i know there are many) the latest Guns and Butter torrent is here.

"Earthquake, Fusion and New Energy Research" with Dr. Steven Jones.

Scientific research into instances of man-made earthquakes; HAARP; muon-catalyzed fusion; metal catalyzed fusion; a new kind of dynamic energy.

http://torrage.ws/torrent/A5A49565153A778077F59D1DA2F0CE4220D08539.torrent

CrazyPhuD
06-10-2011, 02:28 AM
I'll tax Being a Dr. doesn't preclude you from being a nutjob for $2000 Alex.

Because afterall research by a guy know for his 'Cold Fusion Research', being a 9/11 wack job and now a HAARP nut too?

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/jones/StevenJones.html

And who as asked to step down from his position at BYU because of his wackiness.

In the fall of 2006, amid controversy surrounding his work on the collapse of the World Trade Center (which Jones believes was destroyed by controlled demolition during the September 11 attacks), he was relieved of his teaching duties and placed on paid leave from Brigham Young University.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_E._Jones

I'll take "Crazy Dr. who is most likely doing research on the TinFoil hat controversy of the month for $3000 Alex."

But at least you are pirating it, small thanks for small favors so at least they don't receive additional funding for crackpot 'science'.

CrazyPhuD
06-10-2011, 02:31 AM
Nice research, dude. You blew this piece of solidified paranoia right out of the water. Two things to keep in mind, though...

1) Nuts can generate tripe like this a lot faster than you can research and debunk it. You'll never keep up.

2) Even if you could, all the INSANE_CLOWNs of the world will still choose to believe the crackpots.

Save your breath.

One cannot enlighten the unconscious so I generally do not try. It's mostly done for the uninformed who may stumble upon the thread. The only thing necessary for the triumph of ignorance is for good men to do nothing.

mikey23545
06-10-2011, 03:52 AM
For anyone interested(and i know there are many) the latest Guns and Butter torrent is here.

"Earthquake, Fusion and New Energy Research" with Dr. Steven Jones.

Scientific research into instances of man-made earthquakes; HAARP; muon-catalyzed fusion; metal catalyzed fusion; a new kind of dynamic energy.

http://torrage.ws/torrent/A5A49565153A778077F59D1DA2F0CE4220D08539.torrent

One thing you must be given credit for is your utter sincerity, KILLER...

You seem like a genuinely good fellow, and I'm sure you would be a hoot to have a few beers with. Lord knows you live in a much more colorful and exciting world than I do...

Carry on, you crazy CLOWN!

Amnorix
06-10-2011, 06:35 AM
.

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0805/insane-insane-sign-demotivational-poster-1210626464.jpg

Jaric
06-10-2011, 06:42 AM
So we have an earthquake machine now?

Neat.

Dave Lane
06-10-2011, 06:52 AM
Nice research, dude. You blew this piece of solidified paranoia right out of the water. Two things to keep in mind, though...

1) Nuts can generate tripe like this a lot faster than you can research and debunk it. You'll never keep up.

2) Even if you could, all the INSANE_CLOWNs of the world will still choose to believe the crackpots.

Save your breath.

Agreed. Scary part of this is did these crazies always exist among us and the internet has just given them voice, or is this a new phenomena brought on by the medias constant fear mongering?

AndChiefs
06-10-2011, 06:52 AM
So we have an earthquake machine now?

Neat.

And for some reason we're targeting one of our biggest allies in Asia with it.

durtyrute
06-10-2011, 07:05 AM
Wouldn't surprise me one bit

Iowanian
06-10-2011, 07:33 AM
Soak your balls in bleach because you need to chlorinate your gene pool.


You can save the Earth, but you're going to have to drink only from used public toilets.

Jaric
06-10-2011, 09:15 AM
And for some reason we're targeting one of our biggest allies in Asia with it.

Well, I would assume if we had an earthquake machine, we'd only target our friends with it.

Lzen
06-10-2011, 09:45 AM
And for some reason we're targeting one of our biggest allies in Asia with it.

That was my initial thought. Can these conspiracy theorists come up with a good explanation as to why these things are done? Why on Earth would we do this to Japan and not some other place that would make a lot more sense? An example would be N. Korea.

Saul Good
06-10-2011, 09:56 AM
I fully believe that the same people who can't contain themselves from sending out dick pictures via twitter have some super-secret earthquake machine that we are using on our allies.

whoman69
06-10-2011, 10:51 AM
In a related note, John Kennedy was really killed by microwaves because he was going to spill the beans on the plan to fake a moon landing. Kennedy was actually a secret flat Earther.

Jaric
06-10-2011, 11:04 AM
That was my initial thought. Can these conspiracy theorists come up with a good explanation as to why these things are done? Why on Earth would we do this to Japan and not some other place that would make a lot more sense? An example would be N. Korea.

Maybe that was the plan but we missed?

Jaric
06-10-2011, 11:06 AM
I fully believe that the same people who can't contain themselves from sending out dick pictures via twitter have some super-secret earthquake machine that we are using on our allies.

Be fair, if you had a secret earthquake machine, wouldn't you be sending pictures of your junk to porn stars via twitter? I mean, if they complain or threaten to tell you could just flatten their house.

blaise
06-10-2011, 11:09 AM
It's true. I saw this weapon being developed in Under Siege 2.

Dayze
06-10-2011, 11:11 AM
So we have an earthquake machine now?

Neat.

not nearly as cool as our hurricane gin.

acesn8s
06-11-2011, 03:15 AM
Friday, June 10, 2011 by: Ethan A. Huff, staff writer

(NaturalNews) Recent data released by Dimitar Ouzounov and colleagues from the NASA Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland highlights some strange atmospheric anomalies over Japan just days before the massive earthquake and tsunami struck on March 11. Seemingly inexplicable and rapid heating of the ionosphere directly above the epicenter reached a maximum only three days prior to the quake, according to satellite observations, suggesting that directed energy emitted from transmitters used in the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) may have been responsible for inducing the quake.
I heard a similar story after the 1995 quake in Japan.

Furthermore,

According to the the USGS, there was a 7.2 quake at that same area March 9, 2011.

ClevelandBronco
06-11-2011, 08:41 AM
I read something once about bearing false witness. I'll see if I can dig it up.

teedubya
06-11-2011, 10:56 PM
Here is a video that no one will watch.

Japan was threatened with the EQ in 2008... and forced them to give up control of the printing of yen. I don't understand the whole deal... but this video is interesting.

It answers some of the questions posed here. I'd hate to 100% believe that this is possible... but I think it's 70% possible.

<iframe width="640" height="510" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/YRqcxjdRzGw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

teedubya
06-11-2011, 11:00 PM
That video above may be viewed as "kooky" by those of you who are comatose to reality... If you don't want to listen to that dude, fast forward to 6:30 and watch from there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRqcxjdRzGw&feature=player_detailpage#t=396s

here is some corresponding evidence that backs up the OP... by MIT Technology Review.


Atmosphere Above Japan Heated Rapidly Before M9 Earthquake

Infrared emissions above the epicenter increased dramatically in the days before the devastating earthquake in Japan, say scientists.

http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/26773/

http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/files/63290/Tohoku%20earthquake.png

Geologists have long puzzled over anecdotal reports of strange atmospheric phenomena in the days before big earthquakes. But good data to back up these stories has been hard to come by.

In recent years, however, various teams have set up atmospheric monitoring stations in earthquake zones and a number of satellites are capable of sending back data about the state of the upper atmosphere and the ionosphere during an earthquake.

Last year, we looked at some fascinating data from the DEMETER spacecraft showing a significant increase in ultra-low frequency radio signals before the magnitude 7 Haiti earthquake in January 2010

Today, Dimitar Ouzounov at the NASA Goddard Space Flight Centre in Maryland and a few buddies present the data from the Great Tohoku earthquake which devastated Japan on 11 March. Their results, although preliminary, are eye-opening.

They say that before the M9 earthquake, the total electron content of the ionosphere increased dramatically over the epicentre, reaching a maximum three days before the quake struck.

At the same time, satellite observations showed a big increase in infrared emissions from above the epicentre, which peaked in the hours before the quake. In other words, the atmosphere was heating up.

These kinds of observations are consistent with an idea called the Lithosphere-Atmosphere-Ionosphere Coupling mechanism. The thinking is that in the days before an earthquake, the great stresses in a fault as it is about to give cause the releases large amounts of radon.

The radioactivity from this gas ionises the air on a large scale and this has a number of knock on effects. Since water molecules are attracted to ions in the air, ionisation triggers the large scale condensation of water.

But the process of condensation also releases heat and it is this that causes infrared emissions. "Our first results show that on March 8th a rapid increase of emitted infrared radiation was observed from the satellite data," say Ouzounov and co.

These emissions go on to effect the ionosphere and its total electron content.

It certainly makes sense that the lithosphere, atmosphere and ionosphere are coupled in a way that can be measured when one of them is perturbed. The question is to what extent the new evidence backs up this idea.

The Japan earthquake is the largest to have struck the island in modern times and will certainly turn out to be among the best studied. If good evidence of this relationship doesn't emerge from this data, other opportunities will be few and far between.

Ref: arxiv.org/abs/1105.2841: Atmosphere-Ionosphere Response to the M9 Tohoku Earthquake Revealed by Joined Satellite and Ground Observations. Preliminary Results.

FAX
06-11-2011, 11:25 PM
I don't know if we have an earthquake maker machine or not. But, I know for damn sure that, if it were possible to build one, we would do it.

FAX

Brock
06-11-2011, 11:26 PM
Here is a video that no one will watch.


If people don't watch that, it's their loss. Hilarious!

CrazyPhuD
06-11-2011, 11:44 PM
I feel sorry for you....Unfortunately it is evident that you cannot do research or that you are not capable of understanding the 'research' that you do do. For that I truly do pity you, as they say in life, it is better to remain silent and have people think you a fool....than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

I have quoted the conclusions the scientist you quote came to in YOUR quote. Regarding the heating of the atmosphere....

The thinking is that in the days before an earthquake, the great stresses in a fault as it is about to give cause the releases large amounts of radon.

The radioactivity from this gas ionises the air on a large scale and this has a number of knock on effects. Since water molecules are attracted to ions in the air, ionisation triggers the large scale condensation of water.

But the process of condensation also releases heat and it is this that causes infrared emissions. "Our first results show that on March 8th a rapid increase of emitted infrared radiation was observed from the satellite data," say Ouzounov and co.

Your wild theory is supported by NO facts, in fact the scientist drew entirely different conclusions based upon the facts. BUT even the conclusions they draw are strictly preliminary and actually have very little scientific weight because as of yet they have no been peer reviewed. Peer review is a critical part of the scientific process because it asks other experts in the field to evaluate your data and ask whether is appears to be sound. Without peer review anyone can quote any data and have it say damn near anything, but it may be a complete misinterpretation of the data. While peer review isn't perfect, it does tend to give more weight in that unbiased readers have read your analysis and said it appears to be sound. Right now that paper has none of it, so potentially interesting, one can draw no hard conclusions from it until there is more data and other people have gotten a chance to examine the theories.

At any rate even if true they support nothing with regards to the HAARP theory you propose. So there are ZERO facts about your HAARP theories just more unsubstantiated hypothesis.

BTW here is the paper's conclusions on the same theory with citations, you can grab the paper from the link I posted above. In which the scientists say the process is driven from the GROUND not the air which would shoot holes in any correlation to HAARP effects.

Briefly, the primary process is the ionization of the air produced by an increased emanation of radon (and other gases) from the Earthís crust in the vicinity of active fault (Toutain and Baubron, 1998; Omori et al., 2007; Ondoh, 2009). The increased radon emanation launches the chain of physical processes, which leads to changes in the conductivity of the air and a latent heat release (increasing air temperature) due to water molecules attachment (condensation) to ions (Pulinets et al., 2007; Cervone et al., 2006; Prasad et al., 2005). Our results show evidence that process is related to the Tohoku earthquakes March 8 through 11 with a thermal build up near the epicentral area (Fig 2 and Fig.3).

But as I mentioned above it is becoming increasingly aware that you will never accept information that does not adhear to your world view. Maybe in the future that behavior will change. Additionally you will attempt to twist and pervert otherwise more credible sources to attempt to support your position even in light to it clearly stating that is does not. I can tolerated you being foolish, but I can't tolerate you actively twisting data in an attempt to sway people to you ideas when the data does not support that.

Given that I'm mostly done with you, he who argues with a fool is a fool. But given your recent escapades in the lounge let make something clear. Feel free to post all the conspiracy things you want to in here. This is the place for wild crazy crackpot shit and it can be entertaining to debate. But be certain of this, if you go into the lounge again and post this conspiracy crap again, I won't hesitate to red card you every time for 'fake news'.

If you want to start doing more responsible research with an open mind that haarp may in fact have absolutely nothing to with the events you post then I may back off this. But as of yet you have not proven that responsibility. The key to really good science is trying to understand what is going on, NOT trying to prove a specific point. It's always possible that HAARP could have contributing factors to some of these events. But right now there is absolutely no scientific evidence of that fact and even when things appear to be related it does not in fact mean that they are.

Here's an important concept to be aware of.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

Read it, some of the examples are actually worth a laugh but more importantly I hope you understand the difference also.

teedubya
06-11-2011, 11:52 PM
Uh, that "wild theory" was MIT's. Not mine.

4th and Long
06-11-2011, 11:58 PM
Uh, that "wild theory" was MIT's. Not mine.
http://stamperdad.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/dewey_defeats_truman1.jpg

CrazyPhuD
06-12-2011, 12:03 AM
http://stamperdad.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/dewey_defeats_truman1.jpg

Nah man I like this one from the wiki article.

The more firemen fighting a fire, the bigger the fire is observed to be.
Therefore firemen cause fire.

ClevelandBronco
06-12-2011, 12:07 AM
What you should be experiencing now, teedubya, is the feeling of having been obliterated.

teedubya
06-12-2011, 12:10 AM
....

But as I mentioned above it is becoming increasingly aware that you will never accept information that does not adhear to your world view. Maybe in the future that behavior will change.

Given that I'm mostly done with you, he who argues with a fool is a fool.

1. That is every same brain mother fucker in here. No one looks outside of there cozy box for alternate possibilities here. No one question authority here. It's sickening.

2. Put me on ignore. Who are you anyway and why should I care what you think of me?

I put myself out and research. You all scoff and poke fun. Our freedoms have been eroded due to complacent, lazy fucks who trust this corrupt fucking govt ran by international bankers.

Keep trusting them... And when you are in one of the 1300+ FEMA camps maybe you will say... He mm that dude was onto to some things.

But if you all do or don't... It doesnt matter to me. If I cared what you all thought of me, I'd of shut up long ago.

I speak my truth and share my findings.

As far as correlation not equaling causation... When there becomes mountains of evidence of corruption... I pay attention.

Ftr, I don't believe that the earthquake in Japan was caused by HAARP... But I'm not ruling it out either.

Most of you instantly scoff at possibilities for this type of stuff. And that, to me, is the most scary thing. No one to fight on the side of the rebel alliance.

You are already a willing participant for the empire... You buy everything they sell. I don't.

Please find it in your heart to Forgive me for questioning and seeking truths.

teedubya
06-12-2011, 12:23 AM
What you should be experiencing now, teedubya, is the feeling of having been obliterated.

What I'm feeling is the feeling of sadness that no one here questions anything... Our country is doomed because most people think the federal reserve is a govt bank. They think politicians are for the people, by the people... Instead of how it really is... For the lobbyists and Corruptorations. You all think the FDA, medical and the pharmaceutical industries care about our health. You all think the military industrial complex is a good thing. You all think mainstream media is honest and truthful... Organizations like Bilderberg get zero notice... Most of you have never heard of it... Or the CFR or the Trilateral commission or the House of Rothschild... And how they all influence global policies.

Even the college educated folks here, which I'm one of... Most of US education is teaching us how to be standardized... And become employees as a cog in the engine of the powers that be. That doesn't encourage freethinking and asking questions and discernment.

There is no corruption in most of your minds... And most of what I say and post gets laughed at. I get it. You all are good 'Mericans. Watch your tv... Spew your hatred towards democrats, republicans, liberals, conservatives, Muslims, blacks, Jews...

Divide and conquer is what they are going for... Because if we could all find a way to unite... We might be able to change some shit. But I have little hope for that.

4th and Long
06-12-2011, 12:29 AM
I speak my truth
Truth? Perhaps you need to learn the actual meaning of that word before you use it in a sentence.

ClevelandBronco
06-12-2011, 12:31 AM
Even the college educated folks here, which I'm one of...

I think you have good reason to sue that institution.

4th and Long
06-12-2011, 12:42 AM
I think you have good reason to sue that institution.
LMAO

teedubya
06-12-2011, 12:45 AM
Truth? Perhaps you need to learn the actual meaning of that word before you use it in a sentence.

Perhaps you should go watch another DVD. They are good for your brain!

There is no corruption in the govt, at all. No chance of it. It's impossible.

The military industrial complex and their 700+Billion budget each year has no incentive to find/create enemies... and the media tells us everything we need to know.

teedubya
06-12-2011, 12:49 AM
I think you have good reason to sue that institution.

Why would I do that? Education is subjective. I know many people who have a degree and didn't do shit in school. And I know plenty who keep learning. I read between 30-40 books a year. And have for many years. I do well at my business.

Most of what I learned in college in the tech world in the early 90s doesn't even apply anymore. So you have to be a lifelong learner, which most people aren't.

College programs people to go work for someone else... to get a job. They don't really train entrepreneurs, which are the lifeblood of our economy.

When they had a stimulus plan... they didn't give it to entrepreneurs... they gave the money to failing banks to prop up the economy for awhile longer.

If you research the House of Rothschild... and go down the rabbit hole, you start seeing how things have been so easily manipulated for a very, very long time.

Stay clueless. It's cute.

CrazyPhuD
06-12-2011, 12:50 AM
1. That is every same brain mother fucker in here. No one looks outside of there cozy box for alternate possibilities here. No one question authority here. It's sickening.

2. Put me on ignore. Who are you anyway and why should I care what you think of me?

I put myself out and research. You all scoff and poke fun. Our freedoms have been eroded due to complacent, lazy fucks who trust this corrupt fucking govt ran by international bankers.

Keep trusting them... And when you are in one of the 1300+ FEMA camps maybe you will say... He mm that dude was onto to some things.

But if you all do or don't... It doesnt matter to me. If I cared what you all thought of me, I'd of shut up long ago.

I speak my truth and share my findings.

As far as correlation not equaling causation... When there becomes mountains of evidence of corruption... I pay attention.

Ftr, I don't believe that the earthquake in Japan was caused by HAARP... But I'm not ruling it out either.

Most of you instantly scoff at possibilities for this type of stuff. And that, to me, is the most scary thing. No one to fight on the side of the rebel alliance.

You are already a willing participant for the empire... You buy everything they sell. I don't.

Please find it in your heart to Forgive me for questioning and seeking truths.

Look I will never have issue with people asking questions....BUT you have to actually be asking questions. The problem is you're not asking questions. You're saying this thing is proven and it most definitely is not.

I won't lie I was really annoyed with you on the whole joplin thread when you kept posting this conspiracy crap while people were worried that there loved ones might not even be alive. There is a time and a place for the discussion of causes and right then was NOT the right time. Pick up the pieces then we can discuss how we got there.

But your post above is the one that really got under my skin, not because of what you were saying but because of how. What you did above was effectively say 'hey MIT proves and agrees with my theory', when in fact they did not, they were merely quoting an article that someone wrote that said the causes of the earthquake may have been the result of radon gas emission from the ground.

The reason I have such a big issue with this is because this is exactly how frauds and misinformation really get propagated. Someone misinterprets, a conclusion from a credible source and then people start to believe the crazy theory because 'Hey MIT said it', when in fact they didn't. If they hadn't obviously stated a different conclusion I could cut you more slack, but when they quote in the article a very different conclusion that would discount your theory I have to respond so people don't think the misinterpretation might me true. I have to clarify exactly what the article said.

Don't get me wrong I don't want you to not ask questions, and I don't want you to not challenge the accepted view points. What I do every day is try to do something that most people in my field would flat out say is impossible. But I've done this type of thing before and I'm good at what I do. I wouldn't be where I am if I didn't question and challenge accepted view points. The difference is in how you do it.

The big problem in your presentation is that you listed everything as accepted facts which they're not. If you wanted to have a conversation about 'could HAARP have caused the observations that this scientific paper reported'. Then we could have an interesting discussion. But if you're going to do that you need to start the conversation in the right way.

For instance, if I was interested in presenting a theory about could HAARP have caused those observations what I would have done was first. List and describe the paper, showing that I understood what they were presenting. Then I would have pitched my alternative theory and said. They assumed that radon caused this ionization, but what if the ionization was caused by a HAARP process instead. Then I would describe the HAARP process and describe how the HAARP process could actually cause that ionization. Once you've presented your theory and described how your theory can fit the data that we have THEN we can have an interesting conversation about if the data fits your theory and what other data and theories might exist.

The problem is you jumped over all the meat of the discussion and went from here's the data...it prove the HAARP theories. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't but I don't have confidence that it does until you show me HOW it fits the data. Science is a process and you can't short change it. One of the very critical points about asking questions and challenging the accepted vision is that you also then have to really understand the position you're taking. You can't trust someone else's opinion just because they aren't the 'authority'. If you can't teach it to someone else you probably don't know it that well yourself. Three steps to mastery of anything...see it....do it....teach it. Plus any scientist worth his salt is going to ask the question, 'ok how can I be wrong?' before you publish anything. One of the more embarrassing things will be well what about this obvious hole you missed. You try to shoot holes in your own work and see if you really believe what you are saying.

Look if you want to better develop your analysis and critical thinking skills to not only question but also back up your theories with real data I am more than willing to help(within some context that I am naturally really busy). I want you to be able to argue rationally and to use data to support your theories. BUT I'm not going to let people just spew unsupported theories especially when they try to tie them to credible sources that don't actually support them. That encourages bad science and misinformation.

There is actually one case worse than not knowing, and that is knowing the wrong thing. You see I am happy to deal with the person who says....I do not know and is willing to admit that. Too many people are afraid to admit that as if there is something wrong with not knowing. Hell in science you're going to be wrong 99.99% of the time but if you keep pushing on it, eventually you'll figure it out.

teedubya
06-12-2011, 01:00 AM
When did I say it was proven? Never. I said... here is some information... research yourself and come to your own conclusions.

I can't convince anyone of anything... but I sure awaken a lot of people to important information. And if you choose to gloss over it. Feel free.

You will awaken on your own time.

FACTS I KNOW:

1. The Federal Reserve is owned by several international bank trusts.
2. War, destruction & security are profitable.
3. The IRS pays our tax dollars to the Federal Reserve Bank Trustees.
4. Nikola Telsa invented HAARP back in the early 1900s and was to be used as a worldwide free energy source, but JP Morgan burned down his labratory and cut funding.
5. The 4th amendment is almost completely decimated.
6. Most political candidates from both parties are paid for by the same interests.
7. Corporations control the govt policies.
8. We have wars going on in 3 countries now.
9. 700 BILLION dollars a year goes to the military industrial complex.
10. Most people don't give a ****.

Earthquakes and weather may or may not be caused by HAARP. But, HAARP exists... it's purpose is unknown.

So, I research shit... and I do it quite congenially for the most part. You guys are the ones who send out the hate.

If I had a weak constitution your opinions would crush my poor spirits. lol.

Shit, I literally had 3 people connect with me to post this EXACT article on the board, because they didn't want to be made fun of.

I had a top secret security clearance in the US Army as a Russian Linguist in the early 90s... and have seen a lot of shit. So, I know shit isn't right in this world.

But keep telling yourselves that I'm the idiot... it makes you feel good about yourself, so that is a positive, right? lol

CrazyPhuD
06-12-2011, 01:01 AM
Most of what I learned in college in the tech world in the early 90s doesn't even apply anymore. So you have to be a lifelong learner, which most people aren't.

College programs people to go work for someone else... to get a job. They don't really train entrepreneurs, which are the lifeblood of our economy.


Heh so depending upon what you do, you might have been learning the wrong thing. So from the field of computer science I can say that if you were taught it in the 60s it would still be state of the art today. Yes the hardware changes but there are about 4 real ideas in computer science everything else is a variation. In fact you could argue that what is state of the art today was presented back in the 60s. Instead of invent something new just read old papers and apply that concept to your current problem. It's a funny but disturbingly accurate representation.

Everything in life evolves, if you don't evolve with it you'll get passed on(as you should be). There is a real issue about entrepreneurship and how to teach things the right way. An MBA is mostly about networking and a PhD is often too much time for what you are doing. To some degree what would be better in the tech field is to have a semi-combination MBA/PhD that takes 3-4 years post grad. With a focus on doing what's really novel.

teedubya
06-12-2011, 01:17 AM
One final thing before I go to bed...

shit has been corrupt for a long, long time. Look at where the White House is on this map...

http://www.bob-wonderland.supanet.com/Washington3.jpg

They are at the bottom of an inverted pentagram. Google map it.

For a country that is "One Nation Under God"... why did they build the White House at the bottom point of a pentagram?

That's so bizarre. Freemason symbols all over DC.

There is more than meets the eye going on with our govt.

--- But, the US sure is blood thirsty ---

The United States Has Killed At Least 10 Million People In The Last 75 Years For The Greedy Capitalistic Corporate Profits Controlled By The 1% Oligarchy

[this doesn't even include the complete decimation of the native Americans]

In the last 75 years, the United States has promoted, financed and participated in over 200 incursions and 20 separate wars, killing over 10,000,000 people.

For the sake of keeping this out of the realm of the ridiculous, I'm excluding everyone that died as part of legitimate peacekeeping missions and actual Americans. This is like a really rough look at how many NON-AMERICANS we've killed (i.e. not on our side at the time) since the 30s via military and economic intervention, rounded generally down to the nearest thousand (things with <1000 deaths like Grenada bombings not included) or so on conservative or moderate estimates since the dropping of the bombs in Japan. Hold on, this is going to get ugly.

1940s - nuked Japan.
Death toll: 145,000 to date in Nagasaki, 250,000 in Hiroshima

1947-49 - U.S. helps command extreme-right Greece party in Civil War.
Death toll: about 70,000 contributed by US-backed forces

1948-54 - CIA directs war against Huk Rebellion in Philippines.
Death toll: about 11,000

1950 - Independence movement crushed in Ponce, Puerto Rico
Death toll: conservative historians estimated about 8,000 peasants

1950-53 - Korean War
Death toll: about 1,776,000

1952 - CIA overthrows Democracy in Iran, installs Shah
Death toll: about 20,000

1954 - CIA directs invasion of Guatemala after new Democracy there nationalized U.S.-occupied lands
Death toll: about 140,000 missing and dead

1958 - In Lebanon, marine occupation against rebels
Death toll: about 2,000

1960-75+ - Vietnam War including Cambodia and Laos
Death toll: about 4,502,000 including civilians and resulting famines (conservative estimates)

1961 - Cuba's Bay of Pigs Invasion fails
Death toll: about 4,000

1963 - In Iraq, CIA organizes coup against President and agrees to back formerly exiled Saddam
Death toll: about 7,000 including civilians

1964 - In Panama, troops kill protesters against US-owned canal
Death toll: about 1,000

1965 - CIA assists Indonesian coup
Death toll: about 900,000

1966 - Troops and bombers threaten pro-communist parties in Dominican Republic
Death toll: about 3,000

1966-96 - Green berets in Guatemala against rebels, US backs pro-American forces in country until 1996
Death toll: about 200,000

1970 - Directs marine invasion of Oman
Death toll: about 2,000

1973 - CIA directs coup to oust elected Marxist president in Chile
Death toll: 30,000... 3,000 later disappeared under US-installed dictator

1976-92 - CIA assists South-African rebels in Angola
Death toll: median estimate at 550,000

1981-90 - CIA directs Contra invasions in Nicaragua
Death toll: median estimate at 30,000

1982-84 - Marines expel Lebanese rebels, aided by Israel
Death toll: 40,000

1987-88 - US intervenes for Iraq against Iran
Death toll: about 150,000 during time-frame, 100,000 during Desert Storm, 350,000 from resulting famine

1989 - US invades to oust CIA-installed Panamanian government gone rouge
Death toll: 2,000

1992-94 - US-led occupation of Somalia during civil war
Death toll: 50,000 in combat, 300,000 by starvation

2001+ - US Occupies Afghanistan
Death toll: 120,000 including civilians and combatants and resulting Opium Wars

2003+ - Iraqi War
Death toll: 665,000 also by starvation, displacement


TOTAL: 10,431,000

And that doesn't even include POWs, classified information, and WW2 pre-nuke!

America. **** Yeah.

Sources:
http://japanifik.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/nagasaki-bomb-radiation-deathtoll-reached-145984/
http://www.asahi.com/english/Herald-asahi/TKY200808070070.html
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat3.htm
http://www.puertorico-herald.org/issues/2004/vol8n04/ThenNow.html
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Death-toll
http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/story38.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion#Casualties
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6040054.stm

bowener
06-12-2011, 01:31 AM
I eat live babies and I am more sane than teedubya.

blaise
06-12-2011, 10:33 AM
Giant weather machines are controlling the NBA Finals.

Donger
06-12-2011, 10:40 AM
LMAO

teedubya
06-12-2011, 10:58 AM
Giant weather machines are controlling the NBA Finals.

I fucking knew it!! Dallas gets the World Series, Superbowl and the NBA finals in the same year???

Hah! LMAO

Dave Lane
06-12-2011, 11:26 AM
I have no words.

Donger
06-12-2011, 11:27 AM
I have no words.

That's because you are asleep.

Dave Lane
06-12-2011, 11:32 AM
No, but are there really any words to describe this thread adequately?

Donger
06-12-2011, 11:33 AM
No, but are there really any words to describe this thread adequately?

Sure. Paranoia.

Dave Lane
06-12-2011, 11:35 AM
Sure. Paranoia.

Not good enough. A true description of his thread bankrupts the English language.

teedubya
06-12-2011, 11:54 AM
The US govt. war machine doesn't have technology to do any of this, I'm sure. Dave Lane says so.

Donger
06-12-2011, 12:10 PM
The US govt. war machine doesn't have technology to do any of this, I'm sure. Dave Lane says so.

Sure they do. Didn't you see Superman? I forget which one it was, but Lex Luthor set off some nukes (we do have those) near the San Andreas Fault, which started an earthquake. That was all real.

banyon
06-12-2011, 01:11 PM
Wow, the most stunning thing about this thread is that anyone would be gullible enough to even consider this.

HonestChieffan
06-12-2011, 01:14 PM
Bilderberg, Rothchild, and Haarp
Attorneys' at Law

rrl308
06-12-2011, 04:05 PM
Wow, the most stunning thing about this thread is that anyone would be gullible enough to even consider this.

No the stunning thing is that most people can't begin to think this kind of technology is possible. It's like everything else, as long as people have a roof over their heads, a t.v. to watch and money in the pockets they are perfectly happy with never caring about what really goes on in the world. And thats fine more power to you, but don't be so quick to judge the ones who do.

Luckily for us not everyone tries to live a comfy little box that makes everything seem OK, or else we wouldn't have the technologies and Knowledge as a whole that we do today.

rrl308
06-12-2011, 04:20 PM
And for the record I'm not saying HAARP can do what the OP says. I'm just saying that I get tired of everyone not even allowing for the possibility that some things aren't always what they appear to be. They say "well that's just the way it is" or they don't want to hear anything they might make them leave their happy place, they would rather take the cop out and say something like "That's just crazy talk" or "There's no way that could possibly be true." Really? To me that's just a simple way of saying I don't know what your talking about so you must be an idiot. Come on people.

Donger
06-12-2011, 04:24 PM
No the stunning thing is that most people can't begin to think this kind of technology is possible. It's like everything else, as long as people have a roof over their heads, a t.v. to watch and money in the pockets they are perfectly happy with never caring about what really goes on in the world. And thats fine more power to you, but don't be so quick to judge the ones who do.

Luckily for us not everyone tries to live a comfy little box that makes everything seem OK, or else we wouldn't have the technologies and Knowledge as a whole that we do today.

Anyone who thinks that the amount of TX power that HAARP generates can start a fucking earthquake is either crazy, just having fun or knows nothing about RF. Perhaps a combination.

rrl308
06-12-2011, 04:35 PM
Anyone who thinks that the amount of TX power that HAARP generates can start a ****ing earthquake is either crazy, just having fun or knows nothing about RF. Perhaps a combination.

You obviously didn't read the first line of my second post.

CrazyPhuD
06-12-2011, 04:35 PM
And for the record I'm not saying HAARP can do what the OP says. I'm just saying that I get tired of everyone not even allowing for the possibility that some things aren't always what they appear to be. They say "well that's just the way it is" or they don't want to hear anything they might make them leave their happy place, they would rather take the cop out and say something like "That's just crazy talk" or "There's no way that could possibly be true." Really? To me that's just a simple way of saying I don't know what your talking about so you must be an idiot. Come on people.

You know why it's called crackpot shit....it's not because it's controversial. It's because you have non scientists with little to know background in the area trying to present wild theories that have no facts to support them. Presenting wild theories without evidence IS bad science and realistically no one should want this because it propagates the chicken little effect. If you keep spouting the same theory without any evidence for long enough then people will stop even listening to you. Then if you actually do get evidence of it later people most likely won't want to hear it because they've already tuned you out.

If you want to make theories you better be prepared to support them with actual hard evidence. Presenting wild unsupported theories helps no one. You know what's as bad as refusing to consider controversial theories. When I tell someone their theory is scientifically unsound and then instead of them trying to fix the issues they say....oh you don't believe me because you're part of the 'system'.......

Donger
06-12-2011, 04:37 PM
You obviously didn't read the first line of my second post.

Actually, I did.

ClevelandBronco
06-12-2011, 05:10 PM
I'm just saying that I get tired of everyone...

I get tired of assholes that use words such as "everyone" when they mean "some people."

tmh
06-12-2011, 05:24 PM
When did I say it was proven? Never. I said... here is some information... research yourself and come to your own conclusions.

I can't convince anyone of anything... but I sure awaken a lot of people to important information. And if you choose to gloss over it. Feel free.

You will awaken on your own time.

FACTS I KNOW:

1. The Federal Reserve is owned by several international bank trusts.
2. War, destruction & security are profitable.
3. The IRS pays our tax dollars to the Federal Reserve Bank Trustees.
4. Nikola Telsa invented HAARP back in the early 1900s and was to be used as a worldwide free energy source, but JP Morgan burned down his labratory and cut funding.
5. The 4th amendment is almost completely decimated.
6. Most political candidates from both parties are paid for by the same interests.
7. Corporations control the govt policies.
8. We have wars going on in 3 countries now.
9. 700 BILLION dollars a year goes to the military industrial complex.
10. Most people don't give a ****.

Earthquakes and weather may or may not be caused by HAARP. But, HAARP exists... it's purpose is unknown.

So, I research shit... and I do it quite congenially for the most part. You guys are the ones who send out the hate.

If I had a weak constitution your opinions would crush my poor spirits. lol.

Shit, I literally had 3 people connect with me to post this EXACT article on the board, because they didn't want to be made fun of.

I had a top secret security clearance in the US Army as a Russian Linguist in the early 90s... and have seen a lot of shit. So, I know shit isn't right in this world.

But keep telling yourselves that I'm the idiot... it makes you feel good about yourself, so that is a positive, right? lol

just FYI on your facts, Tesla had nothing to do with HAARP, other than the FBI and state department siezed his papers after hi death, some of which is the basic reasearch that HAARP may be based on. Tesla postulated that it may be possible to control weather through high freqency radio transmission. However, his Wardencliff experiment, which Morgan did finance for a time, was not to control weather, but the wireless transmission of power.

I wont speculate either way on HAARPS involvment, but i know this for sure, if Tesla thought it was possible, Ill bet the farm that it is, cause he was on damn smart dude, the father of the modern age.

HonestChieffan
06-12-2011, 09:26 PM
I was not aware of the Masonic connection to HAARP

rrl308
06-12-2011, 10:36 PM
I get tired of assholes that use words such as "everyone" when they mean "some people."

I get tired of "some people" that have to use the word assholes because they can't think of anything more intelligent to say.

bowener
06-13-2011, 01:01 AM
Seriously, I eat live babies. Somebody should stop me. I can't stop myself.

ClevelandBronco
06-13-2011, 10:34 AM
I get tired of "some people" that have to use the word assholes because they can't think of anything more intelligent to say.

I'm pleased that you seem to be a teachable asshole.

Radar Chief
06-13-2011, 12:21 PM
just FYI on your facts, Tesla had nothing to do with HAARP, other than the FBI and state department siezed his papers after hi death, some of which is the basic reasearch that HAARP may be based on. Tesla postulated that it may be possible to control weather through high freqency radio transmission. However, his Wardencliff experiment, which Morgan did finance for a time, was not to control weather, but the wireless transmission of power.

I wont speculate either way on HAARPS involvment, but i know this for sure, if Tesla thought it was possible, Ill bet the farm that it is, cause he was on damn smart dude, the father of the modern age.

He was also known to be boastful with claims that could never be verified even with his work in hand.
Myth Busters did an interesting bit on Teslaís claim to have invented an anti-gravity machine. They duplicated it and got it to levitate but found it was working by accelerating air over the foils and that isnít anti-gravity.
Agreed that he was one hell of a smart dude though.

Edit: this is the episode I'm talking about.

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Donger
06-13-2011, 12:22 PM
He was also known to be boastful with claims that could never be verified even with his work in hand.
Myth Busters did an interesting bit on Teslaís claim to have invented an anti-gravity machine. They duplicated it and got it to levitate but found it was working by accelerating air over the foils and that isnít anti-gravity.
Agreed that he was one hell of a smart dude though.

Well, it IS anti-gravity, technically. :p

rrl308
06-13-2011, 05:33 PM
I'm pleased that you seem to be a teachable asshole.

And I see you still can't think of anything intelligent to say.

KurtCobain
06-13-2011, 06:46 PM
You guys just wait till a blizzard wipes out cuba.

CrazyPhuD
06-13-2011, 07:07 PM
You guys just wait till a blizzard wipes out cuba.

Bah it won't be blizzard that does it, they'll use an underling like a zergling horde to wipe out cuba.

HonestChieffan
06-13-2011, 07:16 PM
Bah it won't be blizzard that does it, they'll use an underling like a zergling horde to wipe out cuba.

Now I need to drive to town to DQ and get a blizzard

Saul Good
06-13-2011, 07:29 PM
If the Illuminati have earthquake machines, I'm not going to waste my time fighting them. They win.

BCD
06-13-2011, 11:07 PM
Good Christ. This is teedubya level dumbassery.

Radar Chief
06-14-2011, 07:33 AM
If the Illuminati have earthquake machines, I'm not going to waste my time fighting them. They win.

At times like this you have to ask yourself, what would Charlie Sheen do?

Ace Gunner
06-14-2011, 08:31 AM
how to make a cell fone fly using it's microwave transmitter;

http://www.veoh.com/watch/v6280183ygE6A63x