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NewChief
06-11-2011, 05:48 AM
This is when I start to get twitchy about the small government rhetoric. The selective application of deregulation will come back and bite the Tea Party/Libertarian movement in the ass. As long as they can maintain their principles and stay true to them, they'll have some credibility. As soon as they reveal themselves to just be more of the same, their energetic base will dissipate similarly to Obama's (and pardon the thinkprogress link, it's not one of my usual sources).

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/06/10/239780/wisconsin-craft-beer/

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker’s War On Craft Beer
By Alex Seitz-Wald on Jun 10, 2011 at 3:30 pm

Tucked into Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker’s (R) much-discussed budget was a little-noticed provision to overhaul the state’s regulation of the beer industry. In a state long associated with beer, the provision will make it much more difficult for the Wisconsin’s burgeoning craft breweries to operate and expand their business by barring them from selling directly to restaurants and liquor stores, and preventing them from selling their own product onsite.
The new provision treats craft brewers — the 60 of whom make up just 5 percent of the beer market in Wisconsin — like corporate mega-brewers, forcing them to use a wholesale distributor to market their product. Under the provision, it would be illegal, for instance, for a small brewer located near a restaurant to walk next door to deliver a case of beer. They’ll have to hire a middle man to do it instead.

But more noteworthy than the provision itself is how it was enacted. The provision was quietly slipped in the massive budget legislation without any consultation from independent craft brewers, who are justifiably outraged by it. One group that clearly did have input, however, is one of the world’s largest beer makers — MillerCoors:

Chicago-based MillerCoors, which operates a brewery and eastern division headquarters in Milwaukee, supports the proposal because it shares concerns with wholesale distributors about the possibility of Anheuser-Busch buying wholesalers throughout the country, said company spokesman James Wright.
Joining MillerCoors in support of the provision are industry associations that have an interest in preserving the current business of beer distributors, including the industry’s lobby, the Wisconsin Beer Distribution Association. But craft brewers see the provision as “a power grab” by MillerCoors that is targeted at them. OpenMarket.org reports:

Craft brewers say that MillerCoors is pulling a fast-one on the states legislature by selling this as a bill that would protect small beer from the brewing behemoth [Anheuser-Busch] InBev’s plan to monopolize the Wisconsin wholesale market. Craft brewers say that this is clearly not InBev’s intent, as they have passed up opportunities to purchase wholesalers in the state no less than 16 times since 2008. They say the real competition that MillerCoors is trying to protect itself against is the growing craft beer market. The restrictions the measure places on any wholesaler wishing to start-up in Wisconsin seem to support the craft brewers’ claims.

The provision is a classic bit of rent-seeking from MillerCoors, who appear to be seeking to preserve their current market share with the power of the state government.

But why would Walker — who calls small businesses the “backbone of our economy” and has postured himself as their champion — side with a foreign-owned mega-corporation over locally owned small brewers? It may have to do with the fact that MillerCoors, which is joint venture with foreign-owned SABMiller, donated $22,675 to his campaign.
– With research assistance from ThinkProgress intern Jen Kalaidis.

HonestChieffan
06-11-2011, 06:54 AM
Did the governor add this provision? Did the governor support it somehow or champion its inclusion?


The wine industry has fought for years the ins and outs of distribution laws both federally and by state and continue to. Its bullshit but if you don't think Busch has sway in MO, Miller in Wi, or Coors in Colorado...keep going, the industry is what it is and right or wrong some things wont change.

The other issue the craft brewers are running into is Health issues...you cant brew some skank in the garage and sell it no matter how tasty it may be without some oversight on the quality and safety.

BucEyedPea
06-11-2011, 07:26 AM
This is when I start to get twitchy about the small government rhetoric. The selective application of deregulation will come back and bite the Tea Party/Libertarian movement in the ass. As long as they can maintain their principles and stay true to them, they'll have some credibility.


Uh, not that I agree with what's being done here, which sounds mercantilist ( Similar to the Koch brothers funding Walker for no-bid energy contracts), but be careful when you use " selective application of deregulation." A free-market does have some regulation and it should be selective as well as limited. It depends on what and how is being regulated.


http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/06/10/239780/wisconsin-craft-beer/

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker’s War On Craft Beer
By Alex Seitz-Wald on Jun 10, 2011 at 3:30 pm

Tucked into Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker’s (R) much-discussed budget was a little-noticed provision to overhaul the state’s regulation of the beer industry. In a state long associated with beer, the provision will make it much more difficult for the Wisconsin’s burgeoning craft breweries to operate and expand their business by barring them from selling directly to restaurants and liquor stores, and preventing them from selling their own product onsite.
The new provision treats craft brewers — the 60 of whom make up just 5 percent of the beer market in Wisconsin — like corporate mega-brewers, forcing them to use a wholesale distributor to market their product. Under the provision, it would be illegal, for instance, for a small brewer located near a restaurant to walk next door to deliver a case of beer. They’ll have to hire a middle man to do it instead.

But more noteworthy than the provision itself is how it was enacted. The provision was quietly slipped in the massive budget legislation without any consultation from independent craft brewers, who are justifiably outraged by it. One group that clearly did have input, however, is one of the world’s largest beer makers — MillerCoors:

Chicago-based MillerCoors, which operates a brewery and eastern division headquarters in Milwaukee, supports the proposal because it shares concerns with wholesale distributors about the possibility of Anheuser-Busch buying wholesalers throughout the country, said company spokesman James Wright.
Joining MillerCoors in support of the provision are industry associations that have an interest in preserving the current business of beer distributors, including the industry’s lobby, the Wisconsin Beer Distribution Association. But craft brewers see the provision as “a power grab” by MillerCoors that is targeted at them. OpenMarket.org reports:

Craft brewers say that MillerCoors is pulling a fast-one on the states legislature by selling this as a bill that would protect small beer from the brewing behemoth [Anheuser-Busch] InBev’s plan to monopolize the Wisconsin wholesale market. Craft brewers say that this is clearly not InBev’s intent, as they have passed up opportunities to purchase wholesalers in the state no less than 16 times since 2008. They say the real competition that MillerCoors is trying to protect itself against is the growing craft beer market. The restrictions the measure places on any wholesaler wishing to start-up in Wisconsin seem to support the craft brewers’ claims.

The provision is a classic bit of rent-seeking from MillerCoors, who appear to be seeking to preserve their current market share with the power of the state government.

But why would Walker — who calls small businesses the “backbone of our economy” and has postured himself as their champion — side with a foreign-owned mega-corporation over locally owned small brewers? It may have to do with the fact that MillerCoors, which is joint venture with foreign-owned SABMiller, donated $22,675 to his campaign.
– With research assistance from ThinkProgress intern Jen Kalaidis.
None of this is free-market. It's fascism/mercantilism ( Thank you Mr. Hamilton) Yes, the Rs have their own kind of fascist and mercantilists and some mistake certain Rs for free-market types. ( Like Cheney being touted as a successful businessman who's made his money off govt)

BTW this is part of my problem with the selection of candidates the GOP Establishment generally pushes. They are of this mentality and often, these are the ones who criticize Obama too. Gotta separate the wheat from the chaff.

Not only does the wheat have to be separated from the chaff at both the idea and implementation level of ideas, but more need to realize that the false identification of pro-market capitalism with mercantilist set-ups ( what Marx had confused, what Fed'sters support, what anti-Miseans attack) leads to the false dichotomy or false choice of needing socialism to balance this fake free-market capitalism where people whine that the market doesn't work.

SNR
06-11-2011, 12:40 PM
There's a local distributor who makes this Christmas ale that I drink every winter. If I find out it's not on tap at my favorite BBQ join in Madison, I'm going to go ballistic :cuss:

Chocolate Hog
06-11-2011, 12:53 PM
Neo-cons.

Reaper16
06-11-2011, 02:50 PM
The other issue the craft brewers are running into is Health issues...you cant brew some skank in the garage and sell it no matter how tasty it may be without some oversight on the quality and safety.
Homebrew is illegal to sell. Craft breweries don't run into health problems because sanitation is absolutely critical in the brewing process. I suppose there could be some nanobreweries out there who try to skimp out on quality control, but they are few and far between.

Ugly Duck
06-12-2011, 04:01 AM
why would Walker side with a foreign-owned mega-corporation?

A Republi siding with a mega-corporation? Who wudda thunk it....

BucEyedPea
06-12-2011, 09:05 AM
Neo-cons.

Mercantilists and Corporatists

kstater
06-12-2011, 09:20 AM
Did the governor add this provision? Did the governor support it somehow or champion its inclusion?


The wine industry has fought for years the ins and outs of distribution laws both federally and by state and continue to. Its bullshit but if you don't think Busch has sway in MO, Miller in Wi, or Coors in Colorado...keep going, the industry is what it is and right or wrong some things wont change.

The other issue the craft brewers are running into is Health issues...you cant brew some skank in the garage and sell it no matter how tasty it may be without some oversight on the quality and safety.

Except to sell beer, you have to have both federal and state licenses. Which include health inspections. At least your consistent when you talk out your ass.

HonestChieffan
06-12-2011, 10:10 AM
Except to sell beer, you have to have both federal and state licenses. Which include health inspections. At least your consistent when you talk out your ass.

Well then...i agree. I don't think that is dissimilar to what I said. The point that restricting access to the market is bullshit. I think I said that. And the point I made re regulation is so that health/quality is dealt with and that is a good thing.

At least you seem consistent in your lack of comprehension and your ass out overreaction as a result.

Have another beer.

banyon
06-12-2011, 11:34 AM
Uh, not that I agree with what's being done here, which sounds mercantilist ( Similar to the Koch brothers funding Walker for no-bid energy contracts), but be careful when you use " selective application of deregulation." A free-market does have some regulation and it should be selective as well as limited. It depends on what and how is being regulated.



None of this is free-market. It's fascism/mercantilism ( Thank you Mr. Hamilton) Yes, the Rs have their own kind of fascist and mercantilists and some mistake certain Rs for free-market types. ( Like Cheney being touted as a successful businessman who's made his money off govt)


No. Hamilton didn't support anything like a restraint on trade. He supported subsidies to infant industries in a new country, which thankfully he had the common sense not to conflate with rhetorical objections like yours.

HonestChieffan
06-12-2011, 11:37 AM
No. Hamilton didn't support anything like a restraint on trade. He supported subsidies to infant industries in a new country, which thankfully he had the common sense not to conflate with rhetorical objections like yours.

i think shes referring to neo hamilton.

banyon
06-12-2011, 11:39 AM
i think shes referring to neo hamilton.

Yes, I know. It's the Hamilton of her imagination, the Boogeyman, who, much like the Boogeyman, doesn't and has never existed.

Radar Chief
06-13-2011, 09:31 AM
Homebrew is illegal to sell. Craft breweries don't run into health problems because sanitation is absolutely critical in the brewing process. I suppose there could be some nanobreweries out there who try to skimp out on quality control, but they are few and far between.

Correct. And if a place is serving food or drink to the public the FDA is going to have a say in the matter.

ClevelandBronco
06-13-2011, 10:20 AM
...(Like Cheney being touted as a successful businessman who's made his money off govt)...

I didn't realize that you opposed private businesses being contracted to provide goods and services more efficiently than the government can do it. Or is it profits you oppose?