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NewChief
06-11-2011, 05:52 AM
ROFL

I don't agree with this study, but it's pretty damned funny. I actually can see it accounting for some accusation of bias, but I'm not living under the illusion that most upper level academics aren't fairly liberal.

http://gawker.com/5810764/study-college-kids-who-detect-bias-in-class-are-mostly-dumb

Study: College Kids Who Detect Bias in Class Are Mostly Dumb
Hamilton Nolan — Are you a college student who frequently detects political bias of one sort or another in your professors? Chances are, you're dumb.

A new study at an anonymous Southern university compared students' own level of resistance to personal and political change with their perceptions of how biased their teachers are. Surprise: correlation!

The study found that students — even in the same classrooms — didn't perceive bias in the same ways (or at all), and those who perceived bias were those who were resistant to changing any of their views. The finding extended to some who identified themselves as being far on the left and resistant to change, and who believed that they had some biased conservative professors. But among both left-leaning and right-leaning students who didn't score high on resistance to new ideas, there was little perception of bias.

To clarify this, for the dumb students who will, with any luck, composed outraged emails to us after being forwarded this post: while the research accompanying this study "found no evidence of real bias," it did find that kids who are very resistant to change thought their professors were biased, because the professor, perhaps, challenged the student's views. Since the student is paying money to the professor to teach the student with the implicit understanding that the student knows far less than the professor about the subject at hand, these findings indicate that the students in question—who mistake the educational process for "bias"—are dumb.

But I bet the study's authors were liberals.

[Inside Higher Ed; photo via AP]

fan4ever
06-11-2011, 11:31 AM
That's pretty much the liberal handbook. If you don't agree with someone's opposing viewpoints, you just call them dumb, or a homophobe, or a bible thumper, or a right wing nut job, and so on.

You don't have to debate a point if you can just discredit your opponent with a label and simply dismiss their point of view. It's very convenient.

alnorth
06-11-2011, 11:40 AM
That's pretty much the liberal handbook. If you don't agree with someone's opposing viewpoints, you just call them dumb, or a homophobe, or a bible thumper, or a right wing nut job, and so on.

You don't have to debate a point if you can just discredit your opponent with a label and simply dismiss their point of view. It's very convenient.

Aside from the part of the study where liberal students who thought they had a biased conservative professor were also called dumb.

stevieray
06-11-2011, 11:41 AM
That's pretty much the liberal handbook. If you don't agree with someone's opposing viewpoints, you just call them dumb, or a homophobe, or a bible thumper, or a right wing nut job, and so on.

You don't have to debate a point if you can just discredit your opponent with a label and simply dismiss their point of view. It's very convenient.

...yup. some, but not all of the teachers here that are liberal love to engage in the "you're ignorant" mantra.

...that and popularity....some libs tend to put a lot of stock into what others might think about them, and it shows when they go after others. Employing the you are liked/disliked game, and should care what others think.

...it comes off as high schoolish.

ChiefsCountry
06-11-2011, 12:16 PM
Hell I loved all my business school professors policital bias bc they were all conservatives.

Jenson71
06-11-2011, 12:18 PM
Hell I loved all my business school professors policital bias bc they were all conservatives.

I had a Psychology and Law professor in New Jersey who loved being a Jewish professor that was a proud Bush supporter. He was kind of a loon, but a very good professor. Actually, I think most great professors are borderline loons.

Jenson71
06-11-2011, 12:21 PM
That's pretty much the liberal handbook. If you don't agree with someone's opposing viewpoints, you just call them dumb, or a homophobe, or a bible thumper, or a right wing nut job, and so on.

You don't have to debate a point if you can just discredit your opponent with a label and simply dismiss their point of view. It's very convenient.

I'm so glad we don't live in a world where liberals are called naive, elitist, out-of-touch, or when they are voicing their displeasure of Sarah Palin: misogynist.

And our favorite: Alinskynizing Marxist Socialist Atheist Nazis.

SNR
06-11-2011, 12:34 PM
I had a Psychology and Law professor in New Jersey who loved being a Jewish professor that was a proud Bush supporter. He was kind of a loon, but a very good professor. Actually, I think most great professors are borderline loons.Most of my loony professors were also brilliant, but not very helpful.

In grad school I had a brilliant loon professor who didn't believe in grades. That's perfectly understandable. In fact, I've always tried to get student input on their grades, which minimizes the importance of my assessment and requires the student to ask himself/herself, "What did I learn this semester?" But when I got a paper back from him, I looked for any comments or critiques, and all I could find was, "This is mostly good."

The last words on this man's deathbed will probably be a call number.

Direckshun
06-11-2011, 12:39 PM
I've had both liberal and conservative teachers/professors. So long as it wasn't detrimental to my education, I never cared.

I always love hearing the point of view of smart people I respect. The idea that smart people shouldn't share their political interpretations of the world around them with me simply because I may disagree? That reeks of insecurity.

Insecurity is often (but not always) tied to a lack of intelligence, so that might explain the poll's results. More intelligent people are typically much more secure and can handle (even appreciate!) hearing opposing points of view. Less intelligent people are typically much more delicate about their sensibilities and hate having their beliefs challenged.

NewChief
06-11-2011, 12:44 PM
Aside from the part of the study where liberal students who thought they had a biased conservative professor were also called dumb.

Reading comprehension isn't the strong suit of some of our posters.

Direckshun
06-11-2011, 12:46 PM
Reading comprehension isn't the strong suit of some of our posters.

He probably thought his professors were biased. :D

fan4ever
06-11-2011, 12:54 PM
I'm so glad we don't live in a world where liberals are called naive, elitist, out-of-touch, or when they are voicing their displeasure of Sarah Palin: misogynist.

And our favorite: Alinskynizing Marxist Socialist Atheist Nazis.

There are definitely two sides to that coin; I just think it's much more the norm on the left...but then again, I'm biased.

fan4ever
06-11-2011, 01:03 PM
He probably thought his professors were biased. :D

Actually my youngest son is in part named after the most left leaning professor I ever had; a screaming liberal who taught sociology and actually opened minds and had an open mind to opposing viewpoints. Likely a rarity anymore.

His first sentence to our class was "I don't believe in God, I think Heroine should be legalized, I think Marxism is the best form of government, and I cuss like a mother f*cker". Had my attention right off the bat.

Mr. Flopnuts
06-11-2011, 01:06 PM
I think Heroine should be legalized as well. Imagine a world where Wonder Woman could solve all of our ills. She could probably handle heroin addicts as well. ;)

ClevelandBronco
06-11-2011, 02:13 PM
I'm so glad we don't live in a world where liberals are called naive, elitist, out-of-touch, or when they are voicing their displeasure of Sarah Palin: misogynist.

And our favorite: Alinskynizing Marxist Socialist Atheist Nazis.

You forgot anti-Semitic when you question Israel.

I don't think liberals are elitist at all. In fact, I can't think of one that is elite.

Baby Lee
06-11-2011, 02:27 PM
I'm so glad we don't live in a world where liberals are called naive, elitist, out-of-touch, or when they are voicing their displeasure of Sarah Palin: misogynist.

And our favorite: Alinskynizing Marxist Socialist Atheist Nazis.

Or in a world where the complaint rings over the years;

Don't call me liberal, its pejorative.
Don't call me progressive, its pejorative.
Don't call me socialist, its pejorative.
Don't call me a Democrat, its pejorative.
Don't call me the left, its pejorative.

It's a weird phenomenon, to me, that every attempt to put a name to one's own political leanings eventually leaves you dispirited.

banyon
06-11-2011, 10:27 PM
Or in a world where the complaint rings over the years;

Don't call me liberal, its pejorative.
Don't call me progressive, its pejorative.
Don't call me socialist, its pejorative.
Don't call me a Democrat, its pejorative.
Don't call me the left, its pejorative.

It's a weird phenomenon, to me, that every attempt to put a name to one's own political leanings eventually leaves you dispirited.


I don't think any of those but the first and the third are actually used significantly anywhere. Mainly that's because there is a real divide between progressives, socialists, and liberals. If someone wants to pretend they're all the same, well, how else do you reply to a disingenuous conflation?

DanT
06-12-2011, 01:19 PM
Or in a world where the complaint rings over the years;

Don't call me liberal, its pejorative.
Don't call me progressive, its pejorative.
Don't call me socialist, its pejorative.
Don't call me a Democrat, its pejorative.
Don't call me the left, its pejorative.

It's a weird phenomenon, to me, that every attempt to put a name to one's own political leanings eventually leaves you dispirited.

That sequence of complaints doesn't ring true to me. From what I've seen, people who would call themselves liberals have complained that the word is treated as an epithet, but they don't themselves consider it pejorative. They just avoid calling themselves liberal in favor of the term "progressive". I have NEVER heard anyone say "Don't call me progressive, it's pejorative," but maybe I don't get around that much. Oh the contrary, I've seen liberals avoid the term 'liberal' in favor of the term 'progressive.' The word socialist is something that if a liberal has a problem being called, then I just assume that they have a legitimate beef, as there are longstanding disputes between liberals and socialists. I've never seen the word "Democrat" used properly as a noun be something that someone who is a Democrat would consider pejorative, but I have seen the pejorative use of it as an adjective, as in "Democrat party", be complained about, as it is the wikipedia.org entry for that term. To persons familiar with standard English, it would be hard to think of it as anything other than jarringly incorrect and thus having to be intended as derisive if spoken by someone who would be expected to know better. (That's not to say that one shouldn't say the phrase in order to be pejorative, but the only time that I never hear that phrase be used by anyone at all is when I listen to conservative radio commentators, and their use of the phrase sticks out because they use good grammar otherwise--indeed, you can tell from how they say it that they are making a point of being pejorative.)
For the same reason that liberals and socialists have a problem with each other, I could see someone complain about being a called a member of the left, as they might have serious problems with the folks who are more extreme than they are.
Among the leftist side of the spectrum are the communist types, and those folks are inclined to lie about what they are and are rightly scorned for their duplicity. But other than that tiny fraction of the left, there don't seem to be too many people that I could see making the sequence of complaints that Baby Lee listed in his earlier post.

Garcia Bronco
06-13-2011, 09:31 AM
A good teacher offers no bias and it's not easy.

ROYC75
06-13-2011, 03:47 PM
I'm shocked, shocked I tell ya.

Baby Lee
06-13-2011, 03:59 PM
That sequence of complaints doesn't ring true to me. From what I've seen, people who would call themselves liberals have complained that the word is treated as an epithet, but they don't themselves consider it pejorative. They just avoid calling themselves liberal in favor of the term "progressive". I have NEVER heard anyone say "Don't call me progressive, it's pejorative," but maybe I don't get around that much. Oh the contrary, I've seen liberals avoid the term 'liberal' in favor of the term 'progressive.' The word socialist is something that if a liberal has a problem being called, then I just assume that they have a legitimate beef, as there are longstanding disputes between liberals and socialists. I've never seen the word "Democrat" used properly as a noun be something that someone who is a Democrat would consider pejorative, but I have seen the pejorative use of it as an adjective, as in "Democrat party", be complained about, as it is the wikipedia.org entry for that term. To persons familiar with standard English, it would be hard to think of it as anything other than jarringly incorrect and thus having to be intended as derisive if spoken by someone who would be expected to know better. (That's not to say that one shouldn't say the phrase in order to be pejorative, but the only time that I never hear that phrase be used by anyone at all is when I listen to conservative radio commentators, and their use of the phrase sticks out because they use good grammar otherwise--indeed, you can tell from how they say it that they are making a point of being pejorative.)
For the same reason that liberals and socialists have a problem with each other, I could see someone complain about being a called a member of the left, as they might have serious problems with the folks who are more extreme than they are.
Among the leftist side of the spectrum are the communist types, and those folks are inclined to lie about what they are and are rightly scorned for their duplicity. But other than that tiny fraction of the left, there don't seem to be too many people that I could see making the sequence of complaints that Baby Lee listed in his earlier post.

Didn't say it all came from one person.

But I have seen all of those at some point or another, often by someone for whom RWNJ or Rethugican spills off their tongue like warm honey off Keira Knightly's navel.

whoman69
06-14-2011, 12:44 PM
Or in a world where the complaint rings over the years;

Don't call me liberal, its pejorative.
Don't call me progressive, its pejorative.
Don't call me socialist, its pejorative.
Don't call me a Democrat, its pejorative.
Don't call me the left, its pejorative.

It's a weird phenomenon, to me, that every attempt to put a name to one's own political leanings eventually leaves you dispirited.

Liberal is a catchphrase used by Republicans to elicit a certain response just like Neocon. Why do you have to put a label on everything?

whoman69
06-14-2011, 12:48 PM
ROFL

I don't agree with this study, but it's pretty damned funny. I actually can see it accounting for some accusation of bias, but I'm not living under the illusion that most upper level academics aren't fairly liberal.

http://gawker.com/5810764/study-college-kids-who-detect-bias-in-class-are-mostly-dumb

Study: College Kids Who Detect Bias in Class Are Mostly Dumb
Hamilton Nolan — Are you a college student who frequently detects political bias of one sort or another in your professors? Chances are, you're dumb.

A new study at an anonymous Southern university compared students' own level of resistance to personal and political change with their perceptions of how biased their teachers are. Surprise: correlation!

The study found that students — even in the same classrooms — didn't perceive bias in the same ways (or at all), and those who perceived bias were those who were resistant to changing any of their views. The finding extended to some who identified themselves as being far on the left and resistant to change, and who believed that they had some biased conservative professors. But among both left-leaning and right-leaning students who didn't score high on resistance to new ideas, there was little perception of bias.

To clarify this, for the dumb students who will, with any luck, composed outraged emails to us after being forwarded this post: while the research accompanying this study "found no evidence of real bias," it did find that kids who are very resistant to change thought their professors were biased, because the professor, perhaps, challenged the student's views. Since the student is paying money to the professor to teach the student with the implicit understanding that the student knows far less than the professor about the subject at hand, these findings indicate that the students in question—who mistake the educational process for "bias"—are dumb.

But I bet the study's authors were liberals.

[Inside Higher Ed; photo via AP]

I find it interesting that the slanted blog was posted instead of the original piece which was much more neutral. The original piece did not call student stupid, it called them biased. The original piece also did not have the parting shot.

NewChief
06-14-2011, 03:25 PM
I find it interesting that the slanted blog was posted instead of the original piece which was much more neutral. The original piece did not call student stupid, it called them biased. The original piece also did not have the parting shot.

Sorry. I just picked it up in my Facebook feed, which is unusual because I usually don't get much political crap in it. Anyway, I posted what I saw. Didn't even go read the original study (admittedly poor scholarship on my part).

ROYC75
06-14-2011, 05:44 PM
I find it interesting that the slanted blog was posted instead of the original piece which was much more neutral. The original piece did not call student stupid, it called them biased. The original piece also did not have the parting shot.

Maybe the professors are bias ? Most are Liberal, not all, I said most.