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Saul Good
06-18-2011, 02:14 PM
I caught about 10 seconds of some sports talk show yesterday, and they were asking if Donovan McNabb is the best current player to not win a ring. I don't think he's even close, but I liked the question.

I'd go with Tomlinson. Tony G. came to mind, but I don't think he's top 10. Who's on the list?

BigMeatballDave
06-18-2011, 02:17 PM
Not Gonzales? Stupid. If you think Tomlinson deserves and not TG, then you may be retarded.

KC Tattoo
06-18-2011, 02:18 PM
I care a hell of lot more for Brian Waters to get a ring than Tony Gonzo.

Psyko Tek
06-18-2011, 02:26 PM
Fitz of the cards
he should come to KC to get his ring

Simplex3
06-18-2011, 02:32 PM
Players with the best career, or player who is best NOW?

If we're talking -now- then I think Fitzgerald is a nice starting point.

Tribal Warfare
06-18-2011, 02:33 PM
Randy Moss, Brian Urlacher

Saul Good
06-18-2011, 02:37 PM
Players with the best career, or player who is best NOW?

If we're talking -now- then I think Fitzgerald is a nice starting point.

best career

Buck
06-18-2011, 02:56 PM
LT, Tony G, Fitz, Moss, TO, McNabb, Aaron "Jesus" Curry, Hasselbeck.

Not based on their current talent.
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DonTellMeShowMe
06-18-2011, 02:56 PM
Patrick Willis or Frank Gore







seriously not being a homer...

jjchieffan
06-18-2011, 03:01 PM
Tyson Jackson





Actually, I would go with Jamal Charles somewhere in the top 10

Saul Good
06-18-2011, 03:07 PM
I'd probably put Moss at #2.

Dave Lane
06-18-2011, 03:08 PM
LT, Tony G, Fitz, Moss, TO, McNabb, Aaron "Jesus" Curry, Hasselbeck.

Not based on their current talent.
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Aaron Curry :spock:

Rams Fan
06-18-2011, 03:36 PM
Patrick Willis or Frank Gore







seriously not being a homer...

I agree with you about Willis, disagree about Gore.

If there's someone who deserves one for the effort he puts in week after week, it's Steven Jackson.

Would also like to Gonzalez, Fitzgerald, T.O, Andre Johnson, McNabb, Charles and L.T to that list.

Bump
06-18-2011, 03:52 PM
Tony G tops my list, the best TE EVER not a top 10 in your book OP? really?

LT
McNabb
Randy Moss
Jason Taylor
Champ Bailey (even though I hate him)
Urlacher
Ed Reed
Julius Peppers
Brian Dawkins
Rivers
Antonio Gates

all-time
Barry Sanders
Dan Marino
Dick Butkus

Chocolate Hog
06-18-2011, 03:52 PM
Brandon Gibson.

Backwards Masking
06-18-2011, 04:04 PM
I'm gonna go with future active Hall of Famers, regardless of how past thier prime they might be, as opposed to the current Best players at their respective positions.

1. Tony Gonzalez - best TE ever, former Chief, easy choice.

2. Terrell Owns - love him or hate him, he's one of the top 5 receivers to ever play the game, has the stats to prove it, teams always improve with him on their roster. Way more of a complete receiver IMO than #3....

3. Randy Moss - greatest long ball receiver ever (at least he was for 10 straight years), double team him or risk giving the opponent in instant 7 on every defensice snap.

4. Jason Taylor - monster of monsters when it comes the DE position.

5. Brian Urlacher - guys a stud, felt sorry kinda sorry for him when he signed his life away to a (then) piss poor Chicago team. At least he got to play in the big one.

Chances are someone's gonna blast me for putting some of the guys mentioned 2-5 ahead of LT and Champ Bailey. Well i'm a Chiefs fan on a Chiefs message board. I'm allowed to play the Homer card.

Chief Roundup
06-18-2011, 04:14 PM
There are some good lists but I would have to add
Tony Richardson.

CoMoChief
06-18-2011, 04:18 PM
Sammie Parker

Pasta Giant Meatball
06-18-2011, 04:19 PM
Cam Thomas and Jamon Meredith...2 of CP's "draft legends"

Backwards Masking
06-18-2011, 04:25 PM
There are some good lists but I would have to add
Tony Richardson.

Can't believe I forgot about him. Good call.

MoreLemonPledge
06-18-2011, 05:42 PM
Bobby Sippio.

thurman merman
06-18-2011, 05:58 PM
Jamaal Charles

Ace Gunner
06-18-2011, 06:17 PM
phil rivers, but the homer in me sez jamaal charles also lol

fitz

andre johnson

demarcus ware

adrian p

pat willis

Von Dumbass
06-18-2011, 06:56 PM
I think there are only two players in the NFL right now who have been to 10+ Pro Bowls and haven't won a ring and they are Champ Bailey and Tony Gonzalez. I would have to give the nod to Champ because he is a surefire first ballot HOF'er and Shannon Sharpe had every record in the books plus 3 Super Bowl Rings and he wasn't first ballot...

Saul Good
06-18-2011, 07:00 PM
Some good names listed so far. In putting together a top 5, this is what I would say so far. I'm starting to think that Tony G. does belong on that list.

1. LaDainian Tomlinson
2. Randy Moss
3. Terrell Owens
4. Champ Bailey
5. Ed Reed

Anyone saying Jamaal Charles belongs in the top 50 is nuts if this is a career achievement award versus a right now award.

Gadzooks
06-18-2011, 07:02 PM
Based on current talent, I'd go with Rivers.
Based on their entire career, I'd go with Tony G.

Arsonist
06-18-2011, 07:03 PM
Fitz of the cards
he should come to KC to get his ring

:thumb:

BigMeatballDave
06-18-2011, 07:09 PM
Some good names listed so far. In putting together a top 5, this is what I would say so far. I'm starting to think that Tony G. does belong on that list.

1. LaDainian Tomlinson
2. Randy Moss
3. Terrell Owens
4. Champ Bailey
5. Ed Reed

Anyone saying Jamaal Charles belongs in the top 50 is nuts if this is a career achievement award versus a right now award.LMAO Starting to think? For career numbers, he should be #1. He has caught over 1000 balls.

BigMeatballDave
06-18-2011, 07:13 PM
I think there are only two players in the NFL right now who have been to 10+ Pro Bowls and haven't won a ring and they are Champ Bailey and Tony Gonzalez. I would have to give the nod to Champ because he is a surefire first ballot HOF'er and Shannon Sharpe had every record in the books plus 3 Super Bowl Rings and he wasn't first ballot...You don't think Gonzalez is a first ballot HoFer?

Rams Fan
06-18-2011, 07:16 PM
I think there are only two players in the NFL right now who have been to 10+ Pro Bowls and haven't won a ring and they are Champ Bailey and Tony Gonzalez. I would have to give the nod to Champ because he is a surefire first ballot HOF'er and Shannon Sharpe had every record in the books plus 3 Super Bowl Rings and he wasn't first ballot...

No offense to Champ, but there might be better guys who missed the cut for a few years.

I'm not saying that Champ won't get in the HOF, but there might be other guys who will still be on the ballot that haven't gotten in because of the position they played (i.e: WR).

Von Dumbass
06-18-2011, 07:22 PM
You don't think Gonzalez is a first ballot HoFer?

Not if Shannon Sharpe wasn't.

Rams Fan
06-18-2011, 07:26 PM
I know this might be the homer in me, but how does Steven Jackson not belong in the top 10 in a list like this?

He's had ove 1,000+ rushing yards for six straight seasons. He had one of his better seasons on the worst team he's played on. He led the NFC in rushing that year.

BigMeatballDave
06-18-2011, 07:29 PM
Not if Shannon Sharpe wasn't.LMAO I knew that was coming. Gonzalez is destroying Sharpe's numbers. Tony didn't have Elway throwing to him.

Backwards Masking
06-18-2011, 07:50 PM
LMAO I knew that was coming. Gonzalez is destroying Sharpe's numbers. Tony didn't have Elway throwing to him.

No, he had a slew of fantastic QB's in their own right : Grbac, Huard, Croyle, and a second and third year Matt Ryan. Not to mention Green, who was every bit as good under pressure as he was behind perfect protection, and might be a HOFer had he not been a Chief. / KNOWMO

Backwards Masking
06-18-2011, 07:50 PM
Tyler Thigpen too! / KNOWMO

milkman
06-18-2011, 07:54 PM
Not if Shannon Sharpe wasn't.

There isn't a single person here that thinks less of Tony than me.

But even I ain't as stupid as you are in my bias.

There's no question Tony gets in first ballot.

MagicHef
06-18-2011, 10:15 PM
There isn't a single person here that thinks less of Tony than me.

But even I ain't as stupid as you are in my bias.

There's no question Tony gets in first ballot.

Name the first ballot TEs for me.

kysirsoze
06-18-2011, 10:20 PM
Name the first ballot TEs for me.

Well since he's head and shoulders above the second best TE, your point is a little weak.

Backwards Masking
06-18-2011, 10:27 PM
Name the first ballot TEs for me.

There's a first time for everything. And this first time will happen to be a Kansas City Chief.

Chief Roundup
06-18-2011, 10:30 PM
There's a first time for everything. And this first time will happen to be a Kansas City Chief.

Gonzo will always be a Chief in my eyes. I hope he doesn't decide to go in as a Falcon.

milkman
06-18-2011, 10:31 PM
Name the first ballot TEs for me.

Irrelevant.

milkman
06-18-2011, 10:31 PM
Gonzo will always be a Chief in my eyes. I hope he doesn't decide to go in as a Falcon.

:facepalm:

BigMeatballDave
06-18-2011, 11:39 PM
Name the first ballot TEs for me.

Name other TEs with 1000 receptions.

BigMeatballDave
06-18-2011, 11:41 PM
Gonzo will always be a Chief in my eyes. I hope he doesn't decide to go in as a Falcon.
For the Bazillionth time, the HoF does not work that way.

MagicHef
06-18-2011, 11:45 PM
Irrelevant.

I think not. I don't believe that the HOF Selection Committee will be comfortable saying that Gonzales is unequivocally better than Kellen Winslow, Mike Ditka, or (yes, I understand he is not liked around here) Sharpe. I would also be very surprised if the first person ever to be a first ballot HOFer at his position was a guy with no rings.

bowener
06-18-2011, 11:51 PM
Not if Thannon Tharpe wasn't.

SS: 815 rec/ 10060 yds/ 62 TDs/ 3 Rings

TG: 1069 rec/ 12463 yds/ 88 TDs/ 0 Rings

Based on their personal play alone, TG is more deserving. He also happens to be a better person than Thannon.

Backwards Masking
06-18-2011, 11:55 PM
I think not. I don't believe that the HOF Selection Committee will be comfortable saying that Gonzales is unequivocally better than Kellen Winslow, Mike Ditka, or (yes, I understand he is not liked around here) Sharpe. I would also be very surprised if the first person ever to be a first ballot HOFer at his position was a guy with no rings.

Uh, have you ever watched Tony play? There is no question he is an around better tight end than any of the aforementioned. Dude can block, run, catch, is smart as whip and knows the game like the back of his hand. He can also enuncitate, lol.

And who's to say he won't get a ring next year? The Falcons may not have won a playoff game but they did lose the team that DID win it all, plus they were a 13-3 #1 seed. They stand a better chance than most teams.

MagicHef
06-19-2011, 12:10 AM
Uh, have you ever watched Tony play? There is no question he is an around better tight end than any of the aforementioned. Dude can block, run, catch, is smart as whip and knows the game like the back of his hand. He can also enuncitate, lol.

And who's to say he won't get a ring next year? The Falcons may not have won a playoff game but they did lose the team that DID win it all, plus they were a 13-3 #1 seed. They stand a better chance than most teams.

Yes, I have watched Gonzales play. I do agree that he should be a first ballot HOFer. I also think that Ditka, Winslow, and Sharpe should have been first ballot HOFers. They were not, and there are reasons for that. I believe that the same reasons will make Gonzales a second ballot HOFer.

If you need more convincing, name all the WRs that have been first ballot HOFers (at least in the modern era). There's one: Jerry Rice. Do you think they are willing to claim that Gonzales and Rice are fairly equal?

Guru
06-19-2011, 12:28 AM
All the love to Randy Moss? I hope he NEVER gets a ring in his life.

boogblaster
06-19-2011, 12:33 AM
Tony .. even tho he left us ....

rtmike
06-19-2011, 12:34 AM
:facepalm:

:LOL:

I heard Tony was pre approved for dual bust-man-ship. ;)

ChiefsCountry
06-19-2011, 12:45 AM
Mark Sanchez
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Guru
06-19-2011, 12:46 AM
Mark Sanchez
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:doh!:

Just Passin' By
06-19-2011, 01:40 AM
Randy Moss

Rausch
06-19-2011, 07:10 AM
Not if Shannon Sharpe wasn't.

The ONLY area Gonzo hasn't aready passed Sharpe is SB wins.

That's it...

Steron
06-19-2011, 07:46 AM
All Time (In no order other than how they came to mind)
Dan Marino
Earl Campbell
Eric Dickerson
OJ Simpson
Dan Fouts
Mike Munchak
Derrick Thomas
Will Shields
Jim Kelly
Thurman Thomas

Current (In no order other than how they came to mind)
Tony Gonzalez
Randy Moss
Terrell Owens
Brian Waters
LaDainian Tomlinson
Brian Urlacher
Larry Fitzgerald
Donovan McNabb
Tony Richardson


I'm sure more will come to mind later.

notorious
06-19-2011, 07:47 AM
There isn't a single person here that thinks less of Tony than me.

But even I ain't as stupid as you are in my bias.

There's no question Tony gets in first ballot.


The rest of the NFL doesn't think that highly of Tony G.


In the latest NFL Channel top 10 TE's he was 7 or 8.


If he was a former Giant, Cowboy, or Patriot he would be 1.

Over-Head
06-19-2011, 07:52 AM
Janikowski,
Say what you will about the Raiders, but you can`t take the guy`s accomplishments away from him.

banyon
06-19-2011, 07:59 AM
The rest of the NFL doesn't think that highly of Tony G.


In the latest NFL Channel top 10 TE's he was 7 or 8.


If he was a former Giant, Cowboy, or Patriot he would be 1.

NFL Network?

On the Top 100 list of 2011 on NFL Network, the NFL Players had him at #46 (probably the #3 current TE).


http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100-2011 (http://top100.nfl.com/)

On the All time top 100 list on NFL Network they had him at #45, as the 45th best player of all time, between Mel Blount and Roger Staubach, both Hall of Famers, of course.

http://top100.nfl.com/all-time-100

banyon
06-19-2011, 08:03 AM
Good names for today in the thread, I guess it depends if we're talking greatest as a career or best today. If it's the former, I would add Terrell Owens (even though I can't stand him). If it's the latter, then I would add Nmandi Asomoughah (sp.?) and Darelle Revis, and yes, Ndamukong Suh.

notorious
06-19-2011, 08:09 AM
NFL Network?

On the Top 100 list of 2011 on NFL Network, the NFL Players had him at #46 (probably the #3 current TE).


http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100-2011 (http://top100.nfl.com/)

On the All time top 100 list on NFL Network they had him at #45, as the 45th best player of all time, between Mel Blount and Roger Staubach, both Hall of Famers, of course.

http://top100.nfl.com/all-time-100



I know he is the best of all time.

But, there are others that don't think very highly of Tony G.

They had Jackie Smith rated above Tony...... :facepalm:

Pasta Giant Meatball
06-19-2011, 09:18 AM
Who the hell talks about tight ends and uses how many "rings" they've won as if it's relevant? Just dumb.

Over-Head
06-19-2011, 09:25 AM
Who the hell talks about tight ends and uses how many "rings" they've won as if it's relevant? Just dumb.
Chiefs fans who watch one of the best players they ever had, catch and carry foot balls for another team ;)

Rausch
06-19-2011, 10:01 AM
If based on past accomplishments I'd say it's a walkaway between Tomlinson and Gonzo...

BigMeatballDave
06-19-2011, 10:46 AM
Mark Sanchez
Posted via Mobile DeviceLMAO
Surely you jest.

Rausch
06-19-2011, 10:48 AM
Chiefs fans who watch one of the best players they ever had, catch and carry foot balls for another team ;)

So they're going to throw to Gonzo this year?...

Chief Roundup
06-19-2011, 11:08 AM
For the Bazillionth time, the HoF does not work that way.

Well I don't spend a bazillion amount of time on the web or on this site.
So why not? The player should be able to choose.
How does it work?

BigMeatballDave
06-19-2011, 01:21 PM
Well I don't spend a bazillion amount of time on the web or on this site.
So why not? The player should be able to choose.
How does it work?The players Bust is on display with the team or teams he played for along with dates. The HoF is about personal achievement, that's why there is no specific team affiliation when they enter.

Over-Head
06-19-2011, 01:23 PM
So they're going to throw to Gonzo this year?...
If your lucky :thumb:

Backwards Masking
06-19-2011, 02:09 PM
Who the hell talks about tight ends and uses how many "rings" they've won as if it's relevant? Just dumb.

I completely agree rings should have no prevalence to who and who doesn't get into the Hall first. Unfortuntately to the people who vote they seem to. Hence why Marshall Faulk (maybe the 6th-10th best running back ever) got in first ballot last year and Willie Roaf (the great LT to ever play the game) did not. Glamour postions help also.

It's BS, but it is what it is. The Willie Roaf snub makes me want to vomit all over not only the Hall Of Fame voters, but the MVP voters as well.

My reason for the latter? How about Priest Holmes breaking the TD record on a 13-3 first round bye team getting snubbed for Steve McNair who didn't come close to breaking anything and furthermore played on a team that didn't even win their division. Also that year Jamal Lewis received more votes than Priest for breaking 2000 Yds. OK, fine, so yards matter more than TD's to the voters. Then why, THE VERY NEXT year does Peyton take home the MVP practically unanimously for breaking the passing TD record even though Dante Culpepper threw for almost 1000 yds more than Peyton. In 2003 Yds were more important, then in 2004 Td's were more important.

I personally believe it's cause Peyton plays the game and wh*res himself out every chance he gets and is a company man who asks "how high?" every time the leauge asks him to jump. It's sickening to me that acutal play comes second to PR skills when it comes to the Hall of Fame and MVP voters but it is what it is.

Saul Good
06-19-2011, 02:27 PM
Then why, THE VERY NEXT year does Peyton take home the MVP practically unanimously for breaking the passing TD record even though Dante Culpepper threw for almost 1000 yds more than Peyton.

160 yards is not "almost 1000 yards". Peyton threw 10 more TDs, 1 fewer INT, and 160 fewer yards while winning 4 more games than the Vikings.

How are you trying to make an argument 7 years after the fact that a 6-10 QB should have won the MVP over Peyton Manning in the year that Manning had the best season in NFL history?

Rams Fan
06-19-2011, 03:03 PM
How are you trying to make an argument 7 years after the fact that a 6-10 QB should have won the MVP over Peyton Manning in the year that Manning had the best season in NFL history?


The best year a QB ever had was Brady's 2007 season.

Backwards Masking
06-19-2011, 03:19 PM
No, for some reason I thought Culpepper threw for way more than that in 04. Doesn't change the fact that Culpepper threw for more yards, and the Vikings made the playoffs that year and won a game, they weren't 6-10

Saul Good
06-19-2011, 03:32 PM
No, for some reason I thought Culpepper threw for way more than that in 04. Doesn't change the fact that Culpepper threw for more yards, and the Vikings made the playoffs that year and won a game, they weren't 6-10

I looked at the wrong season for the records. Indy was 12-4. Minnesota was 8-8.

Three7s
06-19-2011, 06:35 PM
I know this might be the homer in me, but how does Steven Jackson not belong in the top 10 in a list like this?

He's had ove 1,000+ rushing yards for six straight seasons. He had one of his better seasons on the worst team he's played on. He led the NFC in rushing that year.
No one cares about the Rams. /CP

KurtCobain
06-20-2011, 06:01 AM
I looked at the wrong season for the records. Indy was 12-4. Minnesota was 8-8.

Nothing like a mediocre MVP. Carl would've nutted all over his office.

blaise
06-20-2011, 07:56 AM
Whether Tony gets in first ballot will probably depends most on who else is on the ballot his first year of eligibility.

Molitoth
06-20-2011, 08:32 AM
All Time (In no order other than how they came to mind)
Dan Marino
Earl Campbell
Eric Dickerson
OJ Simpson
Dan Fouts
Mike Munchak
Derrick Thomas
Will Shields
Jim Kelly
Thurman Thomas

You forgot Barry Sanders.

Deberg_1990
06-20-2011, 11:33 AM
Randy Moss and Terrel Owens

BigMeatballDave
06-20-2011, 02:01 PM
Randy Moss and Terrel OwensMoss over Gonzales? Really? Fuck moss. He's a quitter.

blaise
06-20-2011, 02:17 PM
Moss over Gonzales? Really? **** moss. He's a quitter.

He'll get in though, at some point.

BigMeatballDave
06-20-2011, 02:22 PM
He'll get in though, at some point.Im not talking about the Hall.

Backwards Masking
06-20-2011, 05:39 PM
How are you trying to make an argument 7 years after the fact that a 6-10 QB should have won the MVP over Peyton Manning in the year that Manning had the best season in NFL history?

I wasn't, I was making the argument that Priest got snubbed over several inferior canditates with inferior 2003 stats cause he wasn't/isn't a media darling like Peyton.

But go ahead and make defending Manning more important than defending Priest. It shows you have your priorities straight on this board.

durtyrute
06-20-2011, 07:27 PM
Fitz of the cards
he should come to KC to get his ring

He will.......don't worry