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HonestChieffan
06-20-2011, 03:07 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/57358.html

Chocolate Hog
06-20-2011, 03:15 PM
Wow.

talastan
06-20-2011, 03:53 PM
How quick does this story disappear from the Media after this? :hmmm:

vailpass
06-20-2011, 04:06 PM
Who could have seen this coming?

Simplex3
06-20-2011, 04:48 PM
I would have thought after we arrested and jailed him for gross stupidity the termination would have taken care of itself.

Bewbies
06-20-2011, 08:36 PM
"I just want you to know that we are working on it. We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar."

Of course Obama had no idea we were setting up an event to make people angry that our guns we're being used to kill Americans.....

Jaric
06-21-2011, 07:48 AM
It used to be you take a guy like this out back and beat him with a hose, but now they've got their goddamn unions...

Chiefshrink
06-21-2011, 08:13 AM
How quick does this story disappear from the Media after this? :hmmm:

What's interesting is that Limbaugh reported on this waaaaaaaaay back in early March. But you are right, anything extremely negative or negative in general about Obama and his regime will not be reported.:thumb:

If this were Bush/Ashcroft???:eek:

Amnorix
06-21-2011, 09:01 PM
Seems pretty perfunctory that the head of ATF gets canned. Could cost Holder his job too, if he expressly approved it.

Shock value here is pretty minimal really.

Amnorix
06-21-2011, 09:02 PM
What's interesting is that Limbaugh reported on this waaaaaaaaay back in early March. But you are right, anything extremely negative or negative in general about Obama and his regime will not be reported.:thumb:

If this were Bush/Ashcroft???:eek:

Right. IF ONLY the conservatives had some, ANY, means whatsoever, of getting their message out to the masses!!!!1!1!!1 Unfortunately, the liberal left has completely locked up all news sources.

The Mad Crapper
06-22-2011, 08:48 PM
Obamunist Attempt to Sabotage Second Amendment Continues to Cause HavocPosted by Dave Blount at June 7, 2011 2:49 PM

What possible motive could the Obama Misadministration have for "walking" American guns into Mexico? The answer is obvious to attack the Second Amendment by getting people killed with them:

Whistleblower ATF agents have made it clear as to the motive for the illegal scheme that has created an 'international incident' between the U.S. Government and the Government of Mexico. The agents themselves are adamant that their supervisors planned the scheme in order to pad statistics that would show U.S. guns are fueling the drug cartels, that the U.S. has a major problem with lax gun laws, and then provide an impetus for the Obama Administration and other gun control advocates to hype up anti-gun hysteria all in support of another round of restrictive gun laws.

But there is a much more sinister motive at play.

Mike Vanderboegh, who, along with David Codrea, first broke the story of this sordid scheme, reports today that the media is willing to roll out any theory as plausible, except for the one the agents themselves say is the correct one. In fact, one writer referred to the agents' story as a 'tin foil hat' theory.

As noted in Vanderboegh's response the motive was not only about padding statistics. The ATF needed stacks of Mexican bodies lying next to the weapons that came from the U.S.

And that is precisely what they got. A total of 28,000 Mexicans have been murdered in the drug wars over the last few years. Stacks of bodies have, indeed, been found near the border and in small towns nearby. U.S. guns have, indeed, been linked to many of these killings, and one was used to kill a U.S. Border Patrol agent, Brian Terry, last year.

Now our moonbat rulers (that banyon, orange & amnorix kneel before) have just missed adding a helicopter crew to the kill count:

CBS News has learned that the recent case of a Mexican military helicopter forced to land after it was fired upon is linked to the ATF Fast and Furious "gunwalker" operation.

Drug cartel suspects on the ground shot at Mexican government helicopters two weeks ago in western Mexico, forcing one chopper to land. Authorities seized more than 70 assault rifles and other weapons from the suspects.
Among the seized weapons are guns sold to suspects as part of the ATF sting operation, sources say. That information came from traces of serial numbers.

"Shooting at an aircraft is a terrorist act," says one U.S. law enforcement source. "What does that say if we're helping Mexican drug cartels engage in acts of terror? That's appalling if we could have stopped those guns."
The Department of Justice provided no information or comment when asked about the incident by CBS News.

CBS's willingness to report on the "Fast and Furious" scandal, by which Obama's ATF and Department of Injustice facilitated the acquisition by Mexican criminals of 2,500 American guns, must have the Manchurian Moonbat chomping on his nicotine gum more furiously than ever. If the establishment media were to wake up to its responsibilities, this story alone would bring down his whole regime in a matter of weeks.

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2011/06/obamunist-attem.html

Bewbies
06-22-2011, 08:51 PM
If this doesn't go higher than Holder I'd be shocked.

The Mad Crapper
06-24-2011, 10:49 AM
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The Mad Crapper
07-05-2011, 01:07 PM
Good, they can start with Inspekteur der Sicherheitspolizei Heinrich Holder...

the Justice Department announced that a special prosecutor appointed by U.S. Officials Behind 'Fast and Furious' Gun Sales Should Be Tried in Mexico, Lawmaker Says

By William La Jeunesse

While the investigation continues into the U.S. operation that helped send thousands of guns south of the border, Mexican lawmakers say they'll press for extradition and prosecution in Mexico of American officials who authorized and ran the operation.

"I obviously feel violated. I feel my country's sovereignty was violated," Mexico Sen. Rene Arce Islas told Fox News. "They should be tried in the United States and the Mexican government should also demand that they also be tried in Mexico since the incidents took place here. There should be trials in both places."

Arce is chairman of Mexico's Commission for National Security, a congressional panel similar to the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee.

His point of view is shared by many Mexican politicians, including Sen. Santiago Creel, a former Interior Minister and the likely presidential nominee next year of the National Action Party to succeed Felipe Calderone, also of PAN.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/07/05/mexican-lawmakers-want-extradition-for-us-officials-responsible-for-botched/?cmpid=cmty_twitter_foxnews_mexican-lawmakers-want-extradition-for-us-officials-responsible-for-botched

vailpass
07-05-2011, 01:42 PM
"I obviously feel violated. I feel my country's sovereignty was violated," Mexico Sen. Rene Arce Islas told Fox News. "They should be tried in the United States and the Mexican government should also demand that they also be tried in Mexico since the incidents took place here. There should be trials in both places."

Sure. As long as you agree that Mexican government officials must stand trial in the US for felony crimes that illegal Mexicans commit here as a result of the Mexican government's failure to advocate and permit illegal crossings.

dirk digler
07-06-2011, 08:19 AM
The ATF Director over the weekend gave testimony secretly to Congress on this matter and since then members privy to the testimony are backing off on wanting him fired.

Apparently the FBI and DEA were also involved in some of these operations and may have had informants and assets buying these guns and what not.

ROYC75
07-06-2011, 11:19 AM
Just more of the crooks in Wash. DC playing politics.

HonestChieffan
07-06-2011, 11:38 AM
Tg]his one aint gonna go away quiet.

HonestChieffan
07-06-2011, 01:59 PM
What went down...

Surprise: Ken Melson Testified About Gun Walker On Independence Day
Issa and Grassley say he was "very helpful."
by John Hayward
07/06/2011

Congressman Darrell Issa (R-CA) and Senator Charles Grassley (R-IA) have been keen to discuss the scandalous “Operation Fast and Furious” with Acting ATF Director Ken Melson. Previous testimony by agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives has painted Melson in a very poor light. Stunned investigators heard accounts of Melson watching straw buyers for Mexican drug cartels purchasing American guns via closed-circuit TV, and all but cackling with joy.

Melson, who after all was a “temporary” appointee, looked like the perfect fall guy for the operation. Instead, Melson decided he would like to cooperate with House Oversight and the Senate Judiciary Committee. Procedure dictated that he required permission from the Justice Department to testify, so a deal was struck with Senator Pat Leahy (D-VT), in which Grassley would allow three Obama Administration nominations to move forward, in exchange for access to Melson and other witnesses.

Why was it necessary to purchase the co-operation of Democrats in such a vital investigation, with profound national security implications, and over 150 dead – including both Mexicans and Americans?

At any rate, the Justice Department agreed to let Melson testify, and a tentative date of July 13 was scheduled.

But here’s a funny little fact: It turns out that under an agreement reached between Congress and the DOJ, “witnesses who choose to attend a voluntary interview with their own lawyer are free to exercise that right rather than participate with counsel representing the Department's interests.”

I did not know that. Neither, apparently, did Ken Melson, because Issa and Grassley wrote a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder, saying they were “disappointed that no one had previously informed him of that provision of the agreement.” Instead, “Justice Department officials sought to limit and control his communications with Congress.”

Happily, “after being made aware of that provision of our agreement, Acting Director Melson chose to exercise that right and appeared with his own lawyer.” That’s right – Melson already testified. He did it on the Fourth of July, in fact.

How did it go? Issa and Grassley assured Attorney General Holder that “Acting Director Melson’s cooperation was extremely helpful to our investigation.” Uh-oh.

Melson claims he was personally in the dark about the full extent of the Gun Walker program until public controversy erupted, and was “sick to his stomach” when he reviewed the Reports of Investigation. This might be hard to square with some of the agent testimony given before Issa’s committee, but it also sounds like Melson has lost all interest in falling on his sword.

Melson claims he was directed by Justice Department officials to avoid cooperating with Congress. “If his account is accurate,” Issa and Grassley told Holder, “then ATF leadership appears to have been effectively muzzled while the DOJ sent over false denials and buried its head in the sand. That approach distorted the truth and obstructed our investigation.”

Melson’s testimony confirmed the dark suspicions of Congressional investigators that Operation Fast and Furious was never intended to work the way it was advertised. “Specifically, we have very real indications from several sources that some of the gun trafficking ‘higher-ups’ that the ATF sought to identify were already known to other agencies, and may even have been paid as informants,” Issa and Grassley stated.

In other words, this was never about letting American guns “walk” to shadowy Mexican drug kingpins, leaving a trail of bullets that ATF could follow. Also, this means agencies other than ATF were involved in the Gun Walker outrage… which means the Acting ATF Director’s potential usefulness as a firewall to protect superiors, such as Eric Holder, has just about come to an end.

Melson claims the initial reports that he would be asked to resign his position are “untrue,” but mysterious “unnamed sources” began pushing such rumors into the media “two days after he told Acting Deputy Attorney General Cole about serious issues involving lack of information sharing.” It sounds like the Administration knows how to build a good, sturdy layer of plausible deniability.

Issa and Grassley have not yet revealed any more details of Melson’s testimony, but they did conclude their letter to Holder with a remarkably stern warning:

Any decision about Mr. Melson's future with the Department would need to be justified solely on the basis of the facts and the needs of the agency, rather than on his decision to speak to us. We encourage you to communicate to us any additional significant information about any such decision so that we can work together to ensure that it would not impede our investigation.

For now, the Office of Inspector General is still conducting its review, and we are still conducting ours. Knowing what we know so far, we believe it would be inappropriate to make Mr. Melson the fall guy in an attempt to prevent further congressional oversight.

It sounds like the late stages of Ken Melson’s career at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives will be very exciting. How often do Congressional committees explicitly tell the Justice Department to forget about using high officials as “fall guys?”

HonestChieffan
07-07-2011, 10:32 AM
Holder may get his finally.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/fast_furious_gets_hotter_for_holder_wDCoBUrOxYF8r1GobKS89M

NYP – Don’t look now, but the real action in Washington this week isn’t the partisan wrangling over the debt ceiling but something — literally — even more incendiary: Operation Fast and Furious, which seems about to explode right in the face of Attorney General Eric Holder — and maybe other administration officials, too.

In a letter to Holder released yesterday, Rep. Daryl Issa and Sen. Chuck Grassley accused the Justice Department of blocking their investigation into the burgeoning scandal (which has resulted in the deaths of at least two American agents and countless Mexican civilians), muzzling the ATF and involving other federal agencies, including the FBI and the DEA, in funding the crackpot scheme.

“The evidence we have gathered raises the disturbing possibility that the Justice Department not only allowed criminals to smuggle weapons, but that taxpayer dollars from other agencies may have financed those engaging in such activities,” they wrote.

“It is one thing to argue that the ends justify the means in an attempt to defend a policy that puts building a big case ahead of stopping known criminals from getting guns. Yet it is a much more serious matter to conceal from Congress the possible involvement of other agencies in identifying and maybe even working with the same criminals that Operation Fast and Furious was trying to identify.”

That’s the key to this mess — and the reason that Operation Fast and Furious might turn out to be the biggest Washington scandal since Iran-Contra.

As Issa and Grassley note in their letter, had the other agencies shared information — theoretically the goal of the post-9/11 revamp of the intelligence and law-enforcement agencies — “then ATF might have known that gun trafficking ‘higher-ups’ had already been identified.”

The Mad Crapper
07-07-2011, 01:15 PM
(CNSNews.com) – White House Spokesman Jay Carney has failed to follow-up on a statement he made at the June 27 White House briefing that he would get back to a reporter with the exact date that President Barack Obama first became aware of “Operation Fast and Furious,” a botched sting operation in which U.S. officials knowingly allowed smugglers to buy guns at licensed U.S. firearms dealers.

“I’ll have to get back to you," Carney said at the briefing. "I don’t have an exact date for you.”

The operation was halted shortly after two of the guns from the operation were found at the murder scene of U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry in December 2010. It was an operation ran primarily through the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and Explosives (ATF).

The Justice Department in Washington, D.C., the U.S. attorney’s office for the District of Arizona, the FBI, and the Drug Enforcement Administration were also involved, according to findings by congressional investigators.

On June 27, CNSNews.com asked White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, “Could you tell me what is the exact date that the president learned about the Justice Department ATF operation to allow guns to flow into Mexico?”

Carney apparently had trouble understanding the question, saying, “I mean, I think I’ve answered this question a bunch about -- about what he learned?”

CNSNews.com said, “What is the exact date that he learned about it?”

Carney apparently still did not understand. “The exact thing that he learned?”

CNSNews.com again clarified, “Exact date -- date.”

Carney finally responded, “I’ll have to get back to you. I don’t have an exact date for you.”

The White House has since not responded to questions about an exact date or approximate date when Obama learned about the operation.

The next day, June 28, CNSNews.com sent a follow-up e-mail to Carney. Then on July 6, CNSNews.com e-mailed Carney and the White House press office, and called the White House press office to ask for the exact date the president became aware of “Operation Fast and Furious.” In lieu of a precise date, CNSNews.com said an approximate date of a month and year would be helpful.

Neither Carney nor another White House spokesperson replied.


http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/white-house-mum-when-obama-became-aware

HonestChieffan
07-07-2011, 01:52 PM
Its getting better...the Gunrunner project was funded by the freaking stimulus!!!

Office of Justice Programs

state and local law enforcement assistance

…For an additional amount for ‘State and Local Law Enforcement Assistance’, $90,000,000, to remain available until September 30, 20140,000,000, for competitive grants to provide assistance and equipment to local law enforcement along the Southern border and in High-Intensity Drug Trafficking Areas to combat criminal narcotics activity stemming from the Southern border, of which $10,000,000 shall be transferred to ‘Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Salaries and Expenses’ for the ATF Project Gunrunner.

The Mad Crapper
07-07-2011, 02:07 PM
Its getting better...the Gunrunner project was funded by the freaking stimulus!!!

LMAO at Inspekteur der Sicherheitspolizei Heinrich Holder.

His tit is tight in the ringer!

The Mad Crapper
07-08-2011, 01:32 PM
The relatively trivial Watergate scandal brought down a presidency not because Richard Nixon had any involvement in it, but because he unwisely tried to cover it up. We may never know for sure that Barack Hussein Obama knew all along that his administration was helping Mexican drug lords smuggle American guns, but he sure hasn't been coming clean:

On June 27, CNSNews.com asked White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, "Could you tell me what is the exact date that the president learned about the Justice Department ATF operation to allow guns to flow into Mexico?"

Carney apparently had trouble understanding the question, saying, "I mean, I think I've answered this question a bunch about — about what he learned?"

CNSNews.com said, "What is the exact date that he learned about it?"
Carney apparently still did not understand. "The exact thing that he learned?"
CNSNews.com again clarified, "Exact date — date."

Carney finally responded, "I'll have to get back to you. I don't have an exact date for you."

The White House has since not responded to questions about an exact date or approximate date when Obama learned about the operation.

The next day, June 28, CNSNews.com sent a follow-up e-mail to Carney. Then on July 6, CNSNews.com e-mailed Carney and the White House press office, and called the White House press office to ask for the exact date the president became aware of "Operation Fast and Furious." In lieu of a precise date, CNSNews.com said an approximate date of a month and year would be helpful.

Neither Carney nor another White House spokesperson replied.

Obviously they are taking care not to get caught in a lie, as the Department of Injustice's Eric Holder has already done.

The Justice Department in Washington, D.C., the U.S. attorney's office for the District of Arizona, the FBI, and the Drug Enforcement Administration were also involved, according to findings by congressional investigators.

Given the scale of the operation, and that its apparent purpose was to generate dead bodies killed with American guns to use as ammunition against the Second Amendment, it would be surprising if the White House wasn't involved too.

With a hostile press, Obama's reelection would already be out of the question. The obsequious lapdogs of the establishment media have their work cut out for them, keeping him propped up.

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2011/07/no-answer-from.html

HonestChieffan
07-08-2011, 02:37 PM
Fox Nation — The ABC15 Investigators have linked an additional 43 weapons recovered during a Phoenix traffic stop to the controversial Fast and Furious ATF case.

According to court paperwork, Phoenix Drug Enforcement Administration agents discovered the guns in mid-April. They pulled over a vehicle near 83rd Avenue and Interstate 10, near the Phoenix and Tolleson border.

Documents filed in federal court reveal five suspects named in the case are accused of conspiring to possess and distribute “500 grams or more of a mixture or substance containing a detectable amount of methamphetamine. . .”

Agents recovered at least 59 weapons during the bust. The ABC15 Investigators found 43 are connected to the Fast and Furious case with certainty.

HonestChieffan
07-08-2011, 02:58 PM
A new member of Congress who rode into office during the 2010 American rejection of Washington's business-as-usual practice today said that a special prosecutor needs to review the actions of Attorney General Eric Holder regarding the "Fast and Furious" gun scandal where weapons were sold to carriers known to supply Mexican drug lords, and the circumstances make it appear that President Obama could have dirty hands in the deal.

During an appearance on the Steve Gill Show, U.S. Rep. Allen West said the roads that appear to lead to those responsible for the botched program that was supposed to trace guns to high-ranking drug lords are alarming.

"This is just another sad chapter in the Eric Holder book of ineptness and incompetence," West said. "Eric Holder needs to be brought before an investigative committee and if those charges are warranted he needs to be held accountable.

"At least the president needs to realize that Eric Holder needs to be removed from the Department of Justice or else it appears President Obama is complicit and in approval of the actions of his attorney general," he said.

West's comments came in the wake of word from Acting Director Kenneth Melson of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives that the DOJ blocked him and other senior agency officials from cooperating with members of Congress who were investigating the scandal.

West, R-Fla., said the solution is an independent special prosecutor who would be assigned to look into the roles of top DOJ officials, such as Holder, regarding the "Fast and Furious" gun-running scheme.

"If all roads lead to him as far as obstructing justice, then we've got to have that special investigation," West said.



http://gillreport.com/2011/07/west-says-holder-must-go/



Read more: West calls for Eric Holder's removal http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=319861#ixzz1RY80dIA6

HonestChieffan
07-08-2011, 05:03 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fqtenZvNSeY/ThbvyE4OTuI/AAAAAAAAyME/2YdvkN98uB0/s400/theo1.jpg

The Mad Crapper
07-08-2011, 05:06 PM
C'mon O-bots! Jump in, the water is fine!

ROFL

The Mad Crapper
07-09-2011, 08:08 PM
Holder bragged about Operation Gunrunner in 2009
By: Barbara Hollingsworth | Local Opinion Editor | 07/09/11 10:33 AM

On May 3, Inspekteur der Sicherheitspolizei Erich Holder testified before House Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Darrell Issa's committee that he only learned about the government's sale of weapons to Mexican drug cartels "in the last few weeks."

But Big Government found a 2009 speech by Holder on the Department of Justice's own website that proves the attorney general was well aware of Operation Gunrunner back in 2009:

The problem with Holder’s feigned ignorance is that he gave a speech in Cuernavaca, Mexico, on April 2, 2009, in which he boasted about Operation 'Gunrunner” and told Mexican authorities of everything he was doing to insure its success.

When questioned by the media, Holder also denied knowing anything about Gunrunner:

"Holder's office at first vehemently denied ATF has ever knowingly allowed weapons to get into the hands of suspected gunrunners for Mexico's drug cartels," CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson reported.

But at the arms trafficking conference in Cuernavaca, Holder not only acknowledged the program, he bragged that he was in the process of expanding it:

"Last week, our administration launched a major new effort to break the backs of the cartels. My department is committing 100 new ATF personnel to the Southwest border in the next 100 days to supplement our ongoing Project Gunrunner, DEA is adding 16 new positions on the border, as well as mobile enforcement teams, and the FBI is creating a new intelligence group focusing on kidnapping and extortion. DHS is making similar commitments, as Secretary Napolitano will detail."

So Holder's May 3rd denial appears to be refuted by his own words.

With 43 automatic weapons with serial numbers traced back to the ATF operation seized during a single traffic stop in Phoenix, and others showing up in crimes throughout Arizona, the ATF director now claims that Holder's department is obstructing the congressional investigation.



Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/07/holder-bragged-about-operation-gunrunner-2009#ixzz1RfF0cP88

HonestChieffan
07-09-2011, 08:57 PM
Looks like Holder may be done.

The Mad Crapper
07-10-2011, 04:52 PM
The official explanation is that the federal government used stimulus funding to buy guns from Arizona gun shops for known criminals to funnel to Mexican drug cartels. As I said, that's the official explanation: As soon as your head stops spinning, we'll resume the narrative. Supposedly, United States taxpayers were picking up the tab for Mexican drug lords' weaponry in order that the ATF could identify high-up gun-traffickers. But, as it turns out, these high-up gun-traffickers were already known to other agencies FBI, DEA and other big-spending acronyms in the great fetid ooze of federal alphabet soup in which this republic is drowning. And, indeed, some of those high-ups are said to have been paid informants for those various federal agencies. So, in case you're wondering why Obama's second annual Recovery Summer is a wee bit sluggish at your end, relax: Stimulus dollars went to fund one federal agency to buy guns for the paid informants of another federal agency to funnel to foreign criminals in order that the first federal agency might identify the paid informants of the second federal agency.

Meanwhile, what did the drug cartels, the recipients of the guns, do with them? Well, they used them to kill at least one member of a third federal agency: Brian Terry of the United States Border Patrol. If that doesn't bother you, well, they also killed not insignificant numbers of Mexican civilians.


CONT:

http://articles.ocregister.com/2011-07-08/news/29756592_1_newspaper-murdoch-s-son-and-heir-prince-harry/3