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Frankie
06-27-2011, 07:19 PM
With Michele Bachmann's announcement for her candidacy for POTUS we can now officially look forward to many entertaining months ahead. The very announcement today produced some entertainment already.

Here's what evidently goes on in her head:

She was born in Waterloo Iowa. The famous Iowan Marion Morrison, aka John Wayne who was actually born in Winterset Iowa was therefore from Waterloo! "John Wayne was from Waterloo, Iowa," she declared today "that's the kind of spirit that I have, too,".... Wha...?!

But wait!.... John Wayne did live for a number of years in Waterloo, Iowa. Not the Marion Morrison guy,.... John Wayne Gacy, the serial killer!

ROFL

mlyonsd
06-27-2011, 07:37 PM
Yeah not cool. She might have been talking about the Duke's parents that actually did live in Waterloo but it's clear she'll say anything in a campaign rally just like the current dip shit in office.

mikey23545
06-27-2011, 08:07 PM
You would think with only 57 states in the U.S. she could keep things like that straight...

petegz28
06-27-2011, 08:15 PM
I wonder how many corpseman were present at her birth? And if she can even correctly recally the year of her birth?

petegz28
06-27-2011, 08:16 PM
(ABC News) – President Obama today apologized to the family of a Medal of Honor recipient whom he erroneously said was still alive.


Thank God we don't have someone like Michelle running the country...

Ugly Duck
06-27-2011, 08:25 PM
Thank God we don't have someone like Michelle running the country...

There's still a chance. I just donated to her candidacy.... everybody needs to chip in if they want her to represent the Republis against the President - Dems, Independs, & Republis alike! C'mon people - here's the link!

http://michelebachmann.com/landingnew/?cdtrack_creative=7605ec5e-f181-463a-a840-fa8c342fabcd&cdtrack_source=3db6b64a-7523-476f-83ab-f6d50ea69417&gclid=CMG1677F16kCFQQDbAodHmDxNA

petegz28
06-27-2011, 08:27 PM
There's still a chance. I just donated to her candidacy.... everybody needs to chip in if they want her to represent the Republis against the President - Dems, Independs, & Republis alike! C'mon people - here's the link!

http://michelebachmann.com/landingnew/?cdtrack_creative=7605ec5e-f181-463a-a840-fa8c342fabcd&cdtrack_source=3db6b64a-7523-476f-83ab-f6d50ea69417&gclid=CMG1677F16kCFQQDbAodHmDxNA

She couldn't do any worse than the guy in charge now. My 13 yr old niece couldn't do worse than the guy in charge now.

Ugly Duck
06-27-2011, 08:34 PM
She couldn't do any worse than the guy in charge now. My 13 yr old niece couldn't do worse than the guy in charge now.

Donate to Bachman!

petegz28
06-27-2011, 08:38 PM
Donate to Bachman!

Bachmann is going to be pimped like crazy by the media. No need to donate.

HonestChieffan
06-27-2011, 08:53 PM
Timely smear....interesting how consistent the tactic is.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=44489

Michele Bachmann Rips Through the Shroud of Contempt
She will be judged on what she says, not what is said about her.
by John Hayward
06/27/2011



Control of the cultural and media landscape places some powerful weapons in the hands of the Left. One of their favorites is the Shroud of Contempt, which they use to muffle targeted individuals by declaring them unfit to be taken seriously. The public has been conditioned to applaud “moderates” and recoil from “extremists,” so painting someone as a horrid extremist is an effective way to airbrush them out of the national conversation.

The Left has been trying to staple the Shroud of Contempt over Sarah Palin since the moment of her national debut – and I do mean “moment” literally. Now they are racing to throw it over presidential candidate and Minnesota congresswoman Michele Bachmann as well. The Shroud of Contempt must be applied early, and vigorously, because it doesn’t work very well after the public has accepted an individual as a qualified combatant in the arena of ideas.

Thus, last week’s Rolling Stone published a feverish, deranged piece from Matt Taibbi, in which Bachmann is described as a figure of buffoonish insanity – a “religious zealot whose brain is a raging electrical storm of divine visions and paranoid delusions.” The first evidence he introduces for this characterization is Bachmann’s belief that “the Chinese are plotting to replace the dollar bill,” which is objectively true, although it’s possible the slow-witted Taibbi either does not know this, or does not understand it. The goal of his piece is slander, not argument.

A big part of the Bachmann smear campaign involves castigating her for the same kind of gaffes that are resolutely and absolutely ignored when a “certified genius” like Barack Obama commits them. Thus, Bachmann is stupid for telling a Tea Party crowd in New Hampshire that “it was your state that fired the shot that was heard around the world,” when it was actually one of the other 56 states.

Likewise, Bachmann is castigated for her sincere religious faith, which makes her a “crazed Divine Wind kamikaze-for-Jesus” to Taibbi. (In case you’re wondering about that strange turn of phrase, “divine wind” is the literal translation of “kamikaze,” although again it is possible Taibbi doesn’t know that.) In contrast, when a liberal Democrat muses about the importance of faith in their lives – as virtually all of them do - it is treated as evidence of their deep spirituality.

The problem with using manufactured contempt as a political weapon is that it’s an addictive drug. It’s cheap and easy, and saves you the trouble of engaging the actual arguments advanced by the target.

Bachmann is a sane critic of an insane system, saying on the CBS News program Face the Nation last weekend that “it isn’t true the government would default on its debt” if the debt ceiling is not raised, because the Treasury Department “can very simply pay the interest on the debt first, then we’re not in default.” She is absolutely and objectively correct about this, which makes her assertion that liberal debt ceiling politics amount to “scare tactics” very difficult to refute. It’s much easier to mock her as an oddball for raising all those foster kids.

Bachmann thinks “every part of government” needs to “be on the table right now,” which is a fantastically dangerous idea to people who need large chunks of government to be accepted without question as permanent, semi-divine institutions. Since the agenda of Big Government is demonstrably disastrous, with the aid of a simple spreadsheet, its acolytes need to take out their worst enemies with pre-emptive strikes. Bachmann faces the same kind of incoming artillery as Rep. Paul Ryan did, and will soon be likewise accused of murderous intent toward women and old folks.

The density of the Shroud of Contempt thrown at Bachmann led even the generally fair-minded Chris Wallace of Fox News to ask her, in a Sunday interview, “Are you a flake?” It is absolutely inconceivable that even the most eccentric Democrat candidate would be asked such a question, especially a woman. At worst they might be asked to respond to some direct and specific accusation of strange speech or behavior, rather than being asked to refute a general perception of flakiness.



Bachmann slapped down the question, which she described as “insulting,” by pointing to her long marriage, legal training, experience as a businesswoman and tax layer, legislative record, and proprietorship of a charter school as qualifications for running a serious campaign. Wallace later apologized for the “flake” question, acknowledging that viewers were “upset and felt I had been rude to her,” but he “didn’t mean any disrespect.”

Unfortunately for the Left, Iowa polling that puts Bachmann in a stunning second place behind Mitt Romney shows that voters are listening to what she says, not what clumsy character assassins are babbling about her. She officially kicked off her campaign with an event in her hometown of Waterloo, Iowa today. Win or lose, she’s in the game. The Shroud of Contempt has been torn.

petegz28
06-27-2011, 08:57 PM
Timely smear....interesting how consistent the tactic is.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=44489

Michele Bachmann Rips Through the Shroud of Contempt
She will be judged on what she says, not what is said about her.
by John Hayward
06/27/2011



Control of the cultural and media landscape places some powerful weapons in the hands of the Left. One of their favorites is the Shroud of Contempt, which they use to muffle targeted individuals by declaring them unfit to be taken seriously. The public has been conditioned to applaud “moderates” and recoil from “extremists,” so painting someone as a horrid extremist is an effective way to airbrush them out of the national conversation.

The Left has been trying to staple the Shroud of Contempt over Sarah Palin since the moment of her national debut – and I do mean “moment” literally. Now they are racing to throw it over presidential candidate and Minnesota congresswoman Michele Bachmann as well. The Shroud of Contempt must be applied early, and vigorously, because it doesn’t work very well after the public has accepted an individual as a qualified combatant in the arena of ideas.

Thus, last week’s Rolling Stone published a feverish, deranged piece from Matt Taibbi, in which Bachmann is described as a figure of buffoonish insanity – a “religious zealot whose brain is a raging electrical storm of divine visions and paranoid delusions.” The first evidence he introduces for this characterization is Bachmann’s belief that “the Chinese are plotting to replace the dollar bill,” which is objectively true, although it’s possible the slow-witted Taibbi either does not know this, or does not understand it. The goal of his piece is slander, not argument.

A big part of the Bachmann smear campaign involves castigating her for the same kind of gaffes that are resolutely and absolutely ignored when a “certified genius” like Barack Obama commits them. Thus, Bachmann is stupid for telling a Tea Party crowd in New Hampshire that “it was your state that fired the shot that was heard around the world,” when it was actually one of the other 56 states.

Likewise, Bachmann is castigated for her sincere religious faith, which makes her a “crazed Divine Wind kamikaze-for-Jesus” to Taibbi. (In case you’re wondering about that strange turn of phrase, “divine wind” is the literal translation of “kamikaze,” although again it is possible Taibbi doesn’t know that.) In contrast, when a liberal Democrat muses about the importance of faith in their lives – as virtually all of them do - it is treated as evidence of their deep spirituality.

The problem with using manufactured contempt as a political weapon is that it’s an addictive drug. It’s cheap and easy, and saves you the trouble of engaging the actual arguments advanced by the target.

Bachmann is a sane critic of an insane system, saying on the CBS News program Face the Nation last weekend that “it isn’t true the government would default on its debt” if the debt ceiling is not raised, because the Treasury Department “can very simply pay the interest on the debt first, then we’re not in default.” She is absolutely and objectively correct about this, which makes her assertion that liberal debt ceiling politics amount to “scare tactics” very difficult to refute. It’s much easier to mock her as an oddball for raising all those foster kids.

Bachmann thinks “every part of government” needs to “be on the table right now,” which is a fantastically dangerous idea to people who need large chunks of government to be accepted without question as permanent, semi-divine institutions. Since the agenda of Big Government is demonstrably disastrous, with the aid of a simple spreadsheet, its acolytes need to take out their worst enemies with pre-emptive strikes. Bachmann faces the same kind of incoming artillery as Rep. Paul Ryan did, and will soon be likewise accused of murderous intent toward women and old folks.

The density of the Shroud of Contempt thrown at Bachmann led even the generally fair-minded Chris Wallace of Fox News to ask her, in a Sunday interview, “Are you a flake?” It is absolutely inconceivable that even the most eccentric Democrat candidate would be asked such a question, especially a woman. At worst they might be asked to respond to some direct and specific accusation of strange speech or behavior, rather than being asked to refute a general perception of flakiness.



Bachmann slapped down the question, which she described as “insulting,” by pointing to her long marriage, legal training, experience as a businesswoman and tax layer, legislative record, and proprietorship of a charter school as qualifications for running a serious campaign. Wallace later apologized for the “flake” question, acknowledging that viewers were “upset and felt I had been rude to her,” but he “didn’t mean any disrespect.”

Unfortunately for the Left, Iowa polling that puts Bachmann in a stunning second place behind Mitt Romney shows that voters are listening to what she says, not what clumsy character assassins are babbling about her. She officially kicked off her campaign with an event in her hometown of Waterloo, Iowa today. Win or lose, she’s in the game. The Shroud of Contempt has been torn.

The first evidence he introduces for this characterization is Bachmann’s belief that “the Chinese are plotting to replace the dollar bill,”

Dollar seen losing global reserve status
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/23183a78-a0c6-11e0-b14e-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1QXDR3I9k


Holders of large reserves, most notably China, have been diversifying away from the dollar. In the first four months of this year, three quarters of the $200bn expansion in China’s foreign exchange reserves was invested in non-US dollar assets, Standard Chartered estimates

FD
06-27-2011, 09:27 PM
Whats funny about the dollar episode was that she completely misunderstood China's desire to diversify its reserves. She interpreted it as that the US was going to abandon the dollar as its currency and replace it with a new international currency. She got Geithner and Bernanke to go on the record that the US isn't getting rid of the dollar as our currency and even introduced a bill trying to stop this bizarre and completely imaginary threat. Its one of the more ridiculous stories I've heard in a while.

dirk digler
06-27-2011, 09:32 PM
She will be judged on what she says, not what is said about her.


This part I agree with. Anyone with half of brain knows Bachmann has said some really stupid and crazy shit. She will be judged on that and the far right loves her but independents will not vote for her.

go bowe
06-27-2011, 09:41 PM
This part I agree with. Anyone with half of brain knows Bachmann has said some really stupid and crazy shit. She will be judged on that and the far right loves her but independents will not vote for her.

communist!

redsurfer11
06-28-2011, 04:19 AM
With Michele Bachmann's announcement for her candidacy for POTUS we can now officially look forward to many entertaining months ahead. The very announcement today produced some entertainment already.

Here's what evidently goes on in her head:

She was born in Waterloo Iowa. The famous Iowan Marion Morrison, aka John Wayne who was actually born in Winterset Iowa was therefore from Waterloo! "John Wayne was from Waterloo, Iowa," she declared today "that's the kind of spirit that I have, too,".... Wha...?!

But wait!.... John Wayne did live for a number of years in Waterloo, Iowa. Not the Marion Morrison guy,.... John Wayne Gacy, the serial killer!

ROFL


An Iranian being Sexist.........nah. Couldn't be.

stevieray
06-28-2011, 05:29 AM
An Iranian being Sexist.........nah. Couldn't be.


pfft, all the lib sexists will visit this thread.


as sure as freaking out over anything she says, while marginalizing anything stupid the president says.

|Zach|
06-28-2011, 06:39 AM
She came off well in the debates and seemed to have decent momentum. This is a bad speed bump because it reinforces the kind of criticisms people already had that she was trying to distance herself from.

Dave Lane
06-28-2011, 06:57 AM
Wait a minute isn't she the First Orangutan or something?


Oh wait wrong Michelle...

Radar Chief
06-28-2011, 06:59 AM
The media has now spent more time scrutinizing her than they ever did Obama and the worst they can come up with is a sort of gaffe about the guy that became John Wayne in which she wasn’t exactly wrong but not entirely right.
I doubt this will matter much to anyone other than those trying to dig up dirt on her.

|Zach|
06-28-2011, 07:10 AM
The media has now spent more time scrutinizing her than they ever did Obama and the worst they can come up with is a sort of gaffe about the guy that became John Wayne in which she wasn’t exactly wrong but not entirely right.
I doubt this will matter much to anyone other than those trying to dig up dirt on her.

Haha.

You guys are great.

Radar Chief
06-28-2011, 07:13 AM
Haha.

You guys are great.

Yea, “bad speed bump.” Back at’cha.

petegz28
06-28-2011, 07:26 AM
Haha.

You guys are great.

What scrutiny did Obama go under? As he was promising all this hope and change and big plans where was the media asking the simple questions like "how?" ?

Obama was given a free pass by the majority of the mainstream media and he will be again as well.

mlyonsd
06-28-2011, 07:31 AM
CNN op-ed writer at warp speed already trying to abort Bachmann campaign.

CNN) -- On Monday morning, U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann formally announced her candidacy for the 2012 GOP presidential nomination.

Although most analysts consider Bachmann's odds long at best, a Des Moines Register poll over the weekend placed her in a dead heat with front-runner Mitt Romney for the Iowa caucuses. She has lined up a cadre of well-respected political operatives to run the campaign. And with enthusiastic Tea Party support, Bachmann may well devise a strategy to outperform expectations.

It will only be a matter of hours until pundits, journalists and strategists begin touting the historical significance of Bachmann's candidacy. After all, she is the first female presidential candidate on the Republican side of the aisle with a shot at winning a primary or a caucus.

Whether this speaks to Bachmann's impressive credentials or just says something about the self-imploding Republican bench is a question for another day. The fact is Bachmann's candidacy will undoubtedly fuel months of speculation as to whether she can pick up where Hillary Clinton left off and shatter the glass ceiling once and for all.

Like many Americans, I am excited by the prospect of a woman in the White House. Dozens of other nations have elected female heads of state while the United States continues to lag. But shattering the glass ceiling with a candidate like Michele Bachmann might carry too high a price for mainstream Americans.

Like many politicians, Bachmann has already made a series of verbal gaffes.

If she had it to do all over again, for example, I am not sure that she or her advisers would accuse the Obama administration of "turning our country into a nation of slaves." It seems likely that she would not refer to national community service and volunteer programs as "re-education camps for young people."

And I would not be surprised if Bachmann regrets -- while trying to draw similarities to movie star John Wayne -- comparing her spirit to that of serial killer John Wayne Gacy.

Far more problematic than these errors, however, is that Bachmann is out of step with core American values. Her political career is rife with examples of ideological extremism and blatant disregard for civil liberties, civil rights and science.

Consider, for instance, her views on abortion.

Like many conservative Republicans, she is ardently anti-choice. But unlike many of her conservative anti-choice colleagues, and unlike roughly 80% of Americans, Bachmann is so extreme that she does not support allowing women to make the decision to terminate a pregnancy even when that pregnancy results from rape or incest, or when carrying the pregnancy to term threatens the life of the mother.

That she neither recognizes nor respects women's inherent right to make personal, private decisions about their physical autonomy, safety or health, by the way, is not incidental.

Bachmann contends that the "life of the unborn is not a sidebar issue ... It is the issue that impacts more than any other how you view other issues." If that is the case, then Michele Bachmann, using her own test, falls far out of the mainstream.

Bachmann also believes in restricting the civil rights and civil liberties of gays and lesbians. Like most conservative Republicans, Bachmann opposes same-sex marriage. But again, her views extend beyond and into the extreme. She opposed the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, which makes it unlawful for a business to discriminate against an individual on the basis of actual or perceived sexual orientation.

And despite her ardent support for states' rights, she would support a constitutional amendment that would void the marriage equality law that passed in New York last week. Perhaps her position stems from Bachmann's belief that "if you're involved in the gay and lesbian lifestyle, it's bondage. It is personal bondage, personal despair and personal enslavement."

Bachmann also supports teaching creationism in public schools because it's important to "put all science on the table and then let the students decide." She opposes stem-cell research, even when the majority of Americans recognizes its potential to cure debilitating diseases.

And she is not convinced of the perils of global warming, perhaps because she does not buy the claim that humans contributed to it. Indeed, man-made global warming "doesn't make any sense" because, she says "carbon dioxide is a natural byproduct of nature." Apparently Michele Bachmann knows better than does the scientific community on issues of evolution, medical research and the environment.

I have long studied, published and worried about women's numeric under-representation in the political sphere. When the 112th Congress convened in January 2011, 83% of its members were men. Men occupy governor's mansions in 44 of the 50 states. They run City Hall in 93 of the 100 largest cities across the country.

There is no question that something seems fundamentally wrong with a political system in which women hold so few positions of political power.
But if shattering the glass ceiling means supporting Michele Bachmann's presidential bid and the candidacy of a woman who is dramatically out of step with mainstream America, then I'd prefer to keep the ceiling intact. We can't afford to make that kind of history.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Jennifer Lawless.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/06/27/lawless.bachmann.candidacy/index.html?hpt=hp_bn9

Dave Lane
06-28-2011, 07:33 AM
I pray every day to the flying spaghetti monster that she wins the nomination.

Dave Lane
06-28-2011, 07:41 AM
The media has now spent more time scrutinizing her than they ever did Obama

Yep no one, ever checked to see, who his preacher was and what he had to say, whether he had every met any former alleged terrorists, what schools he attended, whether he was a secret Muslim, where he was born, who his parents were, assess various photoshopped pictures with family members, whether he smoked, if he had every worn a turban, if he had enough experiance, what his report cards were like, if when he was tired he ever said the number of states incorrectly.

Yep you're right I concede the point.

Radar Chief
06-28-2011, 07:50 AM
Yep no one, ever checked to see, who his preacher was and what he had to say, whether he had every met any former alleged terrorists, what schools he attended, whether he was a secret Muslim, where he was born, who his parents were, assess various photoshopped pictures with family members, whether he smoked, if he had every worn a turban, if he had enough experiance, what his report cards were like, if when he was tired he ever said the number of states incorrectly.

Yep you're right I concede the point.

When Joe the plumber dared to ask Obama a question rather than analyze the response the main streem media decided to try and dig up dirt on Joe the plumber.
Keep trying to pretend no one else sees what a media propped up empty suit the Teleprompter is.

mlyonsd
06-28-2011, 07:53 AM
Yep no one, ever checked to see, who his preacher was and what he had to say, whether he had every met any former alleged terrorists, what schools he attended, whether he was a secret Muslim, where he was born, who his parents were, assess various photoshopped pictures with family members, whether he smoked, if he had every worn a turban, if he had enough experiance, what his report cards were like, if when he was tired he ever said the number of states incorrectly.

Yep you're right I concede the point.

If ANY republican candidate had attended Rev. Wright's church as long as Obama did the game would have been over before it started. Sorry you can't accept that but it's true.

Iowanian
06-28-2011, 08:16 AM
I'll wager she didn't sign the guest book date "2008"

Dave Lane
06-28-2011, 08:48 AM
When Joe the plumber dared to ask Obama a question rather than analyze the response the main streem media decided to try and dig up dirt on Joe the plumber.
Keep trying to pretend no one else sees what a media propped up empty suit the Teleprompter is.

Joe the Plumber was a epic retard. How he became even a blip on the radar is absurd.

BucEyedPea
06-28-2011, 08:53 AM
Joe the Plumber was a epic retard. How he became even a blip on the radar is absurd.

In your opinion.

Radar Chief
06-28-2011, 08:57 AM
Joe the Plumber was a epic retard. How he became even a blip on the radar is absurd.

Exact response you’ve been spoon-fed. Never mind Obama’s response to a reasonable question, that Joe guy is a ‘tard.

Iowanian
06-28-2011, 09:01 AM
davelane would let Obama give him a cleveland steamer for a stick of juicy fruit.

Frankie
06-28-2011, 09:05 AM
You would think with only 57 states in the U.S. she could keep things like that straight...

It's very easy to misspeak and say 57 instead of 47. Nice try.

mlyonsd
06-28-2011, 09:06 AM
It's very easy to misspeak and say 57 instead of 47. Nice try.:spock:

ChiTown
06-28-2011, 09:07 AM
It's very easy to misspeak and say 57 instead of 47. Nice try.

You are such a dope -seriously, I pity you.

Frankie
06-28-2011, 09:07 AM
She couldn't do any worse than the guy in charge now. My 13 yr old niece couldn't do worse than the guy in charge now.

Yeah really. The POTUS gig especially after 8 years of Bush destruction is doable by a 13 year old.

Iowanian
06-28-2011, 09:09 AM
I think Obama is absolutely as big of a chimp as Bush was and possibly a bigger dumbass.


Obama makes gaff after gaff after gaff when he's not fully scripted. Bush was pretty good at reading speeches too.

Frankie
06-28-2011, 09:12 AM
An Iranian being Sexist.........nah. Couldn't be.

Hilary was my first choice all of the last election process. Try again.

And for your ignorant information, when you look at the middle class of both countries, the Iranian male on the average is a lot less sexist than his American counterpart. You can stay ignorant and keep posting stupid sh!t that makes you feel fuzzy inside about your nationality, but I have lived in both societies.

Jaric
06-28-2011, 09:14 AM
Hilary was my first choice all of the last election process. Try again.

And for your ignorant information, when you look at the middle class of both countries, the Iranian mail on the average is a lot less sexist than his American counterpart. You can stay ignorant and keep posting stupid sh!t that makes you feel fuzzy inside about your nationality, but I have lived in both societies.

Yes, but what about the men?

mlyonsd
06-28-2011, 09:14 AM
Hilary was my first choice all of the last election process. Try again.

And for your ignorant information, when you look at the middle class of both countries, the Iranian mail on the average is a lot less sexist than his American counterpart. You can stay ignorant and keep posting stupid sh!t that makes you feel fuzzy inside about your nationality, but I have lived in both societies.

Seriously, you should take the rest of the day off.

Frankie
06-28-2011, 09:16 AM
The media has now spent more time scrutinizing her than they ever did Obama and the worst they can come up with is a sort of gaffe about the guy that became John Wayne in which she wasn’t exactly wrong but not entirely right.
I doubt this will matter much to anyone other than those trying to dig up dirt on her.http://old.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110627/ap_on_el_ge/us_bachmann_fact_check

Michele Bachmann's claim that she has "never gotten a penny" from a family farm that's been subsidized by the government is at odds with her financial disclosure statements. They show tens of thousands in personal income from the operation.

better now?

Frankie
06-28-2011, 09:18 AM
When Joe the plumber dared to ask Obama a question rather than analyze the response the main streem media decided to try and dig up dirt on Joe the plumber.

Because THERE WAS NO JOE THE PLUMBER!!!!!!!

Frankie
06-28-2011, 09:21 AM
Yes, but what about the men?

ROFL

Shut up!

;)

Radar Chief
06-28-2011, 09:32 AM
http://old.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110627/ap_on_el_ge/us_bachmann_fact_check

Michele Bachmann's claim that she has "never gotten a penny" from a family farm that's been subsidized by the government is at odds with her financial disclosure statements. They show tens of thousands in personal income from the operation.

better now?

I suppose, if you’re trying to help make my point that the MSM is spending more time scrutinizing Bachman than they ever did Obama. Cause that’s what you’re doing.

Radar Chief
06-28-2011, 09:34 AM
Because THERE WAS NO JOE THE PLUMBER!!!!!!!

Way to go, Frankie, continue ignoring Obama’s response. :thumb:

Iowanian
06-28-2011, 09:36 AM
You mean, other than making the woman stay covered and bashing them to death with stones for talking to a man without proper supervision, listening to the wrong music or any number of other forward thinking Iranian traditions.

Hilary was my first choice all of the last election process. Try again.

And for your ignorant information, when you look at the middle class of both countries, the Iranian male on the average is a lot less sexist than his American counterpart. You can stay ignorant and keep posting stupid sh!t that makes you feel fuzzy inside about your nationality, but I have lived in both societies.

Iowanian
06-28-2011, 09:36 AM
It's very easy to misspeak and say 57 instead of 47. Nice try.

There aren't 47 states either you effing goober.


Fiddy or half a benjamin would have been acceptable answers.
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/81358553.gif?w=500&h=350

Frankie
06-28-2011, 10:06 AM
Way to go, Frankie, continue ignoring Obama’s response. :thumb:Ooooh the media found a fake political plant. What's this world gone too! Joe the Plumber was neither Joe, nor a plumber. He was just a paid plant by the Right to ask a "gotcha" question and promote the Right's talking point and scare the "regular" Joe. Your post was to complain about the fact that he was found out.

As for Obama's answer, what is there to analyse?! To the best of my recollection his response was that no-one making under $250k a year was gonna see any tax increase.

Frankie
06-28-2011, 10:09 AM
You mean, other than making the woman stay covered and bashing them to death with stones for talking to a man without proper supervision, listening to the wrong music or any number of other forward thinking Iranian traditions.

You are again trying to pass regime forced behavior as a nations culture and "traditions." Way to muddy the water.

Frankie
06-28-2011, 10:11 AM
There aren't 47 states either you effing goober.

He said he had visited 47 states with one more scheduled to visit. He just said 57 instead of 47. Nothing to see but a slip of the tongue there. Just move on.

Jaric
06-28-2011, 10:15 AM
You are again trying to pass regime forced behavior as a nations culture and "traditions." Way to muddy the water.

You don't think it's fair to have to take the good with the bad?

ChiTown
06-28-2011, 10:16 AM
He said he had visited 47 states with one more scheduled to visit. He just said 57 instead of 47. Nothing to see but a slip of the tongue there. Just move on.

ROFL

Radar Chief
06-28-2011, 10:18 AM
Ooooh the media found a fake political plant. What's this world gone too! Joe the Plumber was neither Joe, nor a plumber. He was just a paid plant by the Right to ask a "gotcha" question and promote the Right's talking point and scare the "regular" Joe. Your post was to complain about the fact that he was found out.

A plant. ROFL Obama walked by his house not visa versa.
And quote exactly where I “complained that he was found out”. Kermit the frog could’ve asked the question, my point was and continues to be the refusal to acknowledge the response as you’re doing now.

As for Obama's answer, what is there to analyse?! To the best of my recollection his response was that no-one making under $250k a year was gonna see any tax increase.

“Spread the wealth around” is what he told a, alleged, small business owner.
Amazing you “don’t recall” that. Had the political figure saying it had an R next to his name instead of a D I’m sure you’re memory wouldn’t be failing you. At least not as badly.

petegz28
06-28-2011, 10:32 AM
It's very easy to misspeak and say 57 instead of 47. Nice try.

Uh, when did we get rid of 3 states?

petegz28
06-28-2011, 10:33 AM
Yeah really. The POTUS gig especially after 8 years of Bush destruction is doable by a 13 year old.

My niece could blame Bush just as easily.

fan4ever
06-28-2011, 11:14 AM
I'm always amazed when Frankie starts a thread in order to try and ridicule/make fun of someone else. The boomerang effect is absolutely hilarious. ROFL

Dave Lane
06-28-2011, 11:14 AM
Exact response you’ve been spoon-fed. Never mind Obama’s response to a reasonable question, that Joe guy is a ‘tard.

I've seen the guy speak, several times. Hence the retard remark. Sorry if it bothers you that it is true.

Radar Chief
06-28-2011, 11:45 AM
I've seen the guy speak, several times. Hence the retard remark. Sorry if it bothers you that it is true.

Still can’t get settle yourself with Obama’s response, can you.
Doesn’t matter where the question came from. Sorry that point is still completely lost on you.

Chief Henry
06-28-2011, 11:59 AM
Still can’t get settle yourself with Obama’s response, can you.
Doesn’t matter where the question came from. Sorry that point is still completely lost on you.

You can't expect Dave not be the elitist SNOB do you ? He looks down on people that have a brain that want to keep their own money.

Chief Henry
06-28-2011, 12:01 PM
I'm always amazed when Frankie starts a thread in order to try and ridicule/make fun of someone else. The boomerang effect is absolutely hilarious. ROFL

He can't figure out that we keep him around just so we can laugh at him.

alpha_omega
06-28-2011, 12:13 PM
The real question here is....

Why is he called John Wayne Gacy....what was wrong with just calling him John Gacy?

Otter
06-28-2011, 12:44 PM
She couldn't do any worse than the guy in charge now. My 13 yr old niece couldn't do worse than the guy in charge now.

I remember hearing that at about Bush Jr as well but low and behold they found someone not only stupider but more incompetent as well.

mikey23545
06-28-2011, 12:57 PM
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/5459/johnwaynegacyrosalynnca.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/827/johnwaynegacyrosalynnca.jpg/)

Rosalyn Carter, wife of Democratic President Jimmy Carter, giving a warm handshake to Democratic Party precinct captain John Wayne Gacy....

Frankie
06-28-2011, 12:59 PM
I'm always amazed when Frankie starts a thread in order to try and ridicule/make fun of someone else. The boomerang effect is absolutely hilarious. ROFL

The only boomerang effect is in your imagination. This thread is fair and on target. Those with butt-hurt usually attack back and post angry laughters to try to derail it. That's always been the case here. Nothing more.

Frankie
06-28-2011, 01:02 PM
He can't figure out that we keep him around just so we can laugh at him.

"We?" Now you have promoted yourself to boss? That's comedy.

Frankie
06-28-2011, 01:04 PM
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/5459/johnwaynegacyrosalynnca.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/827/johnwaynegacyrosalynnca.jpg/)

Rosalyn Carter, wife of Democratic President Jimmy Carter, giving a warm handshake to Democratic Party precinct captain John Wayne Gacy....

ROFL WHAT A CLASSIC IRRELEVANT COMEBACK!

Was Gacy a known serial killer in the 70s? ROFL

go bowe
06-28-2011, 01:17 PM
CNN op-ed writer at warp speed already trying to abort Bachmann campaign.

CNN) -- On Monday morning, U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann formally announced her candidacy for the 2012 GOP presidential nomination.

Although most analysts consider Bachmann's odds long at best, a Des Moines Register poll over the weekend placed her in a dead heat with front-runner Mitt Romney for the Iowa caucuses. She has lined up a cadre of well-respected political operatives to run the campaign. And with enthusiastic Tea Party support, Bachmann may well devise a strategy to outperform expectations.

It will only be a matter of hours until pundits, journalists and strategists begin touting the historical significance of Bachmann's candidacy. After all, she is the first female presidential candidate on the Republican side of the aisle with a shot at winning a primary or a caucus.

Whether this speaks to Bachmann's impressive credentials or just says something about the self-imploding Republican bench is a question for another day. The fact is Bachmann's candidacy will undoubtedly fuel months of speculation as to whether she can pick up where Hillary Clinton left off and shatter the glass ceiling once and for all.

Like many Americans, I am excited by the prospect of a woman in the White House. Dozens of other nations have elected female heads of state while the United States continues to lag. But shattering the glass ceiling with a candidate like Michele Bachmann might carry too high a price for mainstream Americans.

Like many politicians, Bachmann has already made a series of verbal gaffes.

If she had it to do all over again, for example, I am not sure that she or her advisers would accuse the Obama administration of "turning our country into a nation of slaves." It seems likely that she would not refer to national community service and volunteer programs as "re-education camps for young people."

And I would not be surprised if Bachmann regrets -- while trying to draw similarities to movie star John Wayne -- comparing her spirit to that of serial killer John Wayne Gacy.

Far more problematic than these errors, however, is that Bachmann is out of step with core American values. Her political career is rife with examples of ideological extremism and blatant disregard for civil liberties, civil rights and science.

Consider, for instance, her views on abortion.

Like many conservative Republicans, she is ardently anti-choice. But unlike many of her conservative anti-choice colleagues, and unlike roughly 80% of Americans, Bachmann is so extreme that she does not support allowing women to make the decision to terminate a pregnancy even when that pregnancy results from rape or incest, or when carrying the pregnancy to term threatens the life of the mother.

That she neither recognizes nor respects women's inherent right to make personal, private decisions about their physical autonomy, safety or health, by the way, is not incidental.

Bachmann contends that the "life of the unborn is not a sidebar issue ... It is the issue that impacts more than any other how you view other issues." If that is the case, then Michele Bachmann, using her own test, falls far out of the mainstream.

Bachmann also believes in restricting the civil rights and civil liberties of gays and lesbians. Like most conservative Republicans, Bachmann opposes same-sex marriage. But again, her views extend beyond and into the extreme. She opposed the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, which makes it unlawful for a business to discriminate against an individual on the basis of actual or perceived sexual orientation.

And despite her ardent support for states' rights, she would support a constitutional amendment that would void the marriage equality law that passed in New York last week. Perhaps her position stems from Bachmann's belief that "if you're involved in the gay and lesbian lifestyle, it's bondage. It is personal bondage, personal despair and personal enslavement."

Bachmann also supports teaching creationism in public schools because it's important to "put all science on the table and then let the students decide." She opposes stem-cell research, even when the majority of Americans recognizes its potential to cure debilitating diseases.

And she is not convinced of the perils of global warming, perhaps because she does not buy the claim that humans contributed to it. Indeed, man-made global warming "doesn't make any sense" because, she says "carbon dioxide is a natural byproduct of nature." Apparently Michele Bachmann knows better than does the scientific community on issues of evolution, medical research and the environment.

I have long studied, published and worried about women's numeric under-representation in the political sphere. When the 112th Congress convened in January 2011, 83% of its members were men. Men occupy governor's mansions in 44 of the 50 states. They run City Hall in 93 of the 100 largest cities across the country.

There is no question that something seems fundamentally wrong with a political system in which women hold so few positions of political power.
But if shattering the glass ceiling means supporting Michele Bachmann's presidential bid and the candidacy of a woman who is dramatically out of step with mainstream America, then I'd prefer to keep the ceiling intact. We can't afford to make that kind of history.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Jennifer Lawless.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/06/27/lawless.bachmann.candidacy/index.html?hpt=hp_bn9

abort her campaign?

what i want to know is has she actually said these things reported in the piece, and if so what is the response of her supporters to those specific positions?

for example, does she really believe in no abortion under any circumstances, not even rape, incest or to save the mother's life? and that abortion "impacts more than any other how (she) view(s) other issues"?

seriously, anybody want to address these specific positions attributed to her?

Iowanian
06-28-2011, 01:26 PM
Are you a known dipshit in 2011?

go bowe
06-28-2011, 01:27 PM
Are you a known dipshit in 2011?

i'm working on it, but it's been tough getting started...

SNR
06-28-2011, 01:33 PM
A liberal friend of mine once told me that I was being sexist while bashing Hillary Clinton. Not because I called her demeaning names (I didn't) but because I called her by her first name. I wasn't doing that when talking about male politicians.

Well, I've learned my lesson, and now I'm going to follow through on my re-education. I officially accuse Frankie of being sexist.

"Ms. Michele." Shame on you. Shaaaaame.

Iowanian
06-28-2011, 01:34 PM
i'm working on it, but it's been tough getting started...

have you ever read the book "the biggest snowball ever"?

imagery in progress.

go bowe
06-28-2011, 01:35 PM
have you ever read the book "the biggest snowball ever"?

imagery in progress.

can't say that i have...

is it a good read?

mikey23545
06-28-2011, 01:35 PM
ROFL WHAT A CLASSIC IRRELEVANT COMEBACK!

Was Gacy a known serial killer in the 70s? ROFL

Well, between you and JWG we have a good idea what kind of people are Dems, right?

go bowe
06-28-2011, 01:38 PM
Well, between you and JWG we have a good idea what kind of people are Dems, right?

no no no, you've got it all wrong...

democrats are political robin hoods...

they steal from the rich to give to the poor... :D :D :D

SNR
06-28-2011, 01:39 PM
no no no, you've got it all wrong...

democrats are political robin hoods...

they steal from the rich to give to the people who represent poor people, but not the poor people themselves... :D :D :DFYP

go bowe
06-28-2011, 01:41 PM
A liberal friend of mine once told me that I was being sexist while bashing Hillary Clinton. Not because I called her demeaning names (I didn't) but because I called her by her first name. I wasn't doing that when talking about male politicians.

Well, I've learned my lesson, and now I'm going to follow through on my re-education. I officially accuse Frankie of being sexist.

"Ms. Michele." Shame on you. Shaaaaame.

liberal friend?

even i'd say that's pc run amok...

what about geedubya?

or barry?

sexist my ass...

go bowe
06-28-2011, 01:41 PM
FYP

pffftt, details, details...

mlyonsd
06-28-2011, 01:47 PM
abort her campaign?

what i want to know is has she actually said these things reported in the piece, and if so what is the response of her supporters to those specific positions?

for example, does she really believe in no abortion under any circumstances, not even rape, incest or to save the mother's life? and that abortion "impacts more than any other how (she) view(s) other issues"?

seriously, anybody want to address these specific positions attributed to her?

What difference does it make? Does she have the power to overturn all abortions?

I respect the fact she see's an unborn child concieved during a rape as just a child, and not a devil like monster that should be expelled forthwith.

Funny how some born or unborn sub-human form of life like a bird, snail, or fish is protected more by the law than an unborn child.

Well not funny, just F'd up.

go bowe
06-28-2011, 01:56 PM
What difference does it make? Does she have the power to overturn all abortions?

I respect the fact she see's an unborn child concieved during a rape as just a child, and not a devil like monster that should be expelled forthwith.

Funny how some born or unborn sub-human form of life like a bird, snail, or fish is protected more by the law than an unborn child.

Well not funny, just F'd up.

no, even as president with a republican controlled congress, i don't think she would have the power to abolish abortions...

i respect her right to oppose all abortions, even if i personally am very pro-choice, and it is very weird how the epa etc. protects wildlife (which they should do but in a much more reasonable manner) but doesn't protect the unborn...

ironic more than weird, really...

but what about her view on abortion being the thing with the most impact with regard to other decisions?

frankly, i don't want someone making policy decisions that affect the country as a whole based on their view of abortion...

that's a little too much ideology for me...

mlyonsd
06-28-2011, 02:09 PM
no, even as president with a republican controlled congress, i don't think she would have the power to abolish abortions...

i respect her right to oppose all abortions, even if i personally am very pro-choice, and it is very weird how the epa etc. protects wildlife (which they should do but in a much more reasonable manner) but doesn't protect the unborn...

ironic more than weird, really...

but what about her view on abortion being the thing with the most impact with regard to other decisions?

frankly, i don't want someone making policy decisions that affect the country as a whole based on their view of abortion...

that's a little too much ideology for me...

Like what other decisions? The op author tries to villainize her because she has thoughts outside the mainstream. Who doesn't? Obama?

Chief Henry
06-28-2011, 02:14 PM
What difference does it make? Does she have the power to overturn all abortions?

I respect the fact she see's an unborn child concieved during a rape as just a child, and not a devil like monster that should be expelled forthwith.

Funny how some born or unborn sub-human form of life like a bird, snail, or fish is protected more by the law than an unborn child.
Well not funny, just F'd up.


rep

orange
06-28-2011, 02:22 PM
A liberal friend of mine once told me that I was being sexist while bashing Hillary Clinton. Not because I called her demeaning names (I didn't) but because I called her by her first name. I wasn't doing that when talking about male politicians.

Well, I've learned my lesson, and now I'm going to follow through on my re-education. I officially accuse Frankie of being sexist.

"Ms. Michele." Shame on you. Shaaaaame.

liberal friend?

even i'd say that's pc run amok...

what about geedubya?

or barry?

sexist my ass...

http://a501.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/110/l_393dca7bbd0773370de7a27f7e8e8a24.jpghttp://www.willisms.com/archives/hillaryequalskarlmarx.gif
http://www.travisgafford.com/storage/Hillary.bmp?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1296954373010

SNR - you should either take this Hillary bitch to the woodshed for being a sexist - or take that "liberal friend" to the woodshed for being a dweeb.

SNR
06-28-2011, 02:23 PM
SNR - you should either take this Hillary bitch to the woodshed for being a sexist - or take that "liberal friend" to the woodshed for being a dweeb.I chose option #2.

LOCOChief
06-28-2011, 02:25 PM
With Michele Bachmann's announcement for her candidacy for POTUS we can now officially look forward to many entertaining months ahead. The very announcement today produced some entertainment already.

Here's what evidently goes on in her head:

She was born in Waterloo Iowa. The famous Iowan Marion Morrison, aka John Wayne who was actually born in Winterset Iowa was therefore from Waterloo! "John Wayne was from Waterloo, Iowa," she declared today "that's the kind of spirit that I have, too,".... Wha...?!

But wait!.... John Wayne did live for a number of years in Waterloo, Iowa. Not the Marion Morrison guy,.... John Wayne Gacy, the serial killer!

ROFL

You're a bag of dicks who should never speak the name John Wayne.

You are not worthy you POS. go die somewhere where the stink only would reach the nose's of your fellow left wing America haten bitches. :thumb:

go bowe
06-28-2011, 02:31 PM
Like what other decisions? The op author tries to villainize her because she has thoughts outside the mainstream. Who doesn't? Obama?

she seems to suggest that all of her decisions would be animated by her views on abortion...

as far as her thoughts outside the mainstream, i don't care so much about that as some of the specific positions the op attributes to her...

for example, i'm with ron paul that issues such as gay marriage should be left to the states, like new york and disagree with the idea of a constitutional amendment to enshrine discrimination against those icky gay people...

i get her position, i just find it a little whacky from my pov... and of course, there's no chance of passing such an amendment, so why doesn't she pick more doable issues and make herself more appealing to moderates in the process?

does her anti-abortion and anti-gay ideology trump her ability to perform the art of the possible in all of her political efforts and policies?

if it does, then i would not want her making decisions for the country...

and this doesn't begin to cover some of her gaffes and such posted on you-tube and the like...

when i see those things, it makes me question her ability to grasp the nuances and undercurrents of national and international politics...

as you might note, i'm trying to take her seriously as a candidate, even though i think she has zero chance of winning the nomination, let alone the presidency...

go bowe
06-28-2011, 02:35 PM
yeah, i know...

57...

orange
06-28-2011, 02:44 PM
What difference does it make? Does she have the power to overturn all abortions?


No, but she's promised to do this:

Will you take the Pro-Life Citizen's Pledge?

I PLEDGE that I will only support candidates for President who are committed to protecting Life. I demand that any candidate I support commit to these positions:

FIRST, to nominate to the U.S. federal bench judges who are committed to restraint and applying the original meaning of the Constitution, not legislating from the bench;

SECOND, to select only pro-life appointees for relevant Cabinet and Executive Branch positions, in particular the head of National Institutes of Health, the Department of Justice, and the Department of Health & Human Services;

THIRD, to advance pro-life legislation to permanently end all taxpayer funding of abortion in all domestic and international spending programs, and defund Planned Parenthood and all other contractors and recipients of federal funds with affiliates that perform or fund abortions;

FOURTH, advance and sign into law a Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act to protect unborn children who are capable of feeling pain from abortion.

It's perfectly fair to point out a candidate's actual position on issues to prospective voters. If the truth "aborts" said candidate's campaign, so be it.

redsurfer11
06-28-2011, 03:28 PM
no no no, you've got it all wrong...

democrats are political robin hoods...

they steal from the rich to give to the poor... :D :D :D


Most Democratic men do wear tights.

Frankie
06-28-2011, 04:12 PM
A liberal friend of mine once told me that I was being sexist while bashing Hillary Clinton. Not because I called her demeaning names (I didn't) but because I called her by her first name. I wasn't doing that when talking about male politicians.

Well, I've learned my lesson, and now I'm going to follow through on my re-education. I officially accuse Frankie of being sexist.

"Ms. Michele." Shame on you. Shaaaaame.

:D

fan4ever
06-28-2011, 06:29 PM
The only boomerang effect is in your imagination. This thread is fair and on target. Those with butt-hurt usually attack back and post angry laughters to try to derail it. That's always been the case here. Nothing more.

Oh, I have nothing against the thread; it's just funny to see you take a bunch of flack when you actually start a thread to bag on somebody else; you've got a stellar track record as far as that goes...and the funniest part is you don't think so. Don't ever go away.

mlyonsd
06-28-2011, 08:33 PM
she seems to suggest that all of her decisions would be animated by her views on abortion...

as far as her thoughts outside the mainstream, i don't care so much about that as some of the specific positions the op attributes to her...

for example, i'm with ron paul that issues such as gay marriage should be left to the states, like new york and disagree with the idea of a constitutional amendment to enshrine discrimination against those icky gay people...

i get her position, i just find it a little whacky from my pov... and of course, there's no chance of passing such an amendment, so why doesn't she pick more doable issues and make herself more appealing to moderates in the process?

does her anti-abortion and anti-gay ideology trump her ability to perform the art of the possible in all of her political efforts and policies?

if it does, then i would not want her making decisions for the country...

and this doesn't begin to cover some of her gaffes and such posted on you-tube and the like...

when i see those things, it makes me question her ability to grasp the nuances and undercurrents of national and international politics...

as you might note, i'm trying to take her seriously as a candidate, even though i think she has zero chance of winning the nomination, let alone the presidency...So are you ok with US taxpayer dollars going overseas to pay for abortions?

mlyonsd
06-28-2011, 08:42 PM
It's perfectly fair to point out a candidate's actual position on issues to prospective voters. If the truth "aborts" said candidate's campaign, so be it.Which I don't have a problem with. If you'll look at my original post on the subject it was only to point out the liberal MSM's quick response attack.

My sidebar with go bo is an attempt to show him that as a grandpa he should rethink his position on someone who's first position is to protect someone that doesn't have a voice. It isn't as sinister as he might believe.

stevieray
06-28-2011, 09:23 PM
Obama's spiritual advisor is an admitted Marxist who wants to redistribute wealth, but Michelle Bachman talked about John Wayne.

Frankie
06-28-2011, 10:10 PM
Oh, I have nothing against the thread; it's just funny to see you take a bunch of flack when you actually start a thread to bag on somebody else; you've got a stellar track record as far as that goes...and the funniest part is you don't think so. Don't ever go away.

Someone born in Iran and being somewhat on the left of the center with domestic politics here posting on a forum predominantly (at least vocally) populated with hard line Righties! Gee, whatever gave you that notion?

It goes with the territory. I don't take it as a boomerang effect. I take it as it really is. Group hollering by the uniformed who want to mask the truth with their noise.

Meanwhile, I plan to post extremist Bachmann's masterpieces as they come. Stay tuned.

Frankie
06-28-2011, 10:14 PM
Obama's spiritual advisor is an admitted Marxist who wants to redistribute wealth, but Michelle Bachman talked about John Wayne.

Just because you clutch the Bible it does not mean others are so close-minded to only take theirs or the words of their "spiritual advisors" literally.

Meanwhile Bachmanns of the world talk about investigating who in the congress is anti-American and who is not. Sound familiar?

lostcause
06-28-2011, 10:26 PM
Obama's spiritual advisor is an admitted Marxist who wants to redistribute wealth, but Michelle Bachman talked about John Wayne.

Woo hoo! I could use me some of that!

fan4ever
06-28-2011, 10:51 PM
Someone born in Iran and being somewhat on the left of the center with domestic politics here posting on a forum predominantly (at least vocally) populated with hard line Righties! Gee, whatever gave you that notion?

It goes with the territory. I don't take it as a boomerang effect. I take it as it really is. Group hollering by the uniformed who want to mask the truth with their noise.

Meanwhile, I plan to post extremist Bachmann's masterpieces as they come. Stay tuned.

Somewhat left of center? And do you really think you need to post what the mainstream media will drone on about to a nauseating level? You should save yourself the typing, but I know you won't...and I'm glad...you're fun.

stevieray
06-28-2011, 10:54 PM
Just because you clutch the Bible it does not mean others are so close-minded to only take theirs or the words of their "spiritual advisors" literally.



"...just because you"..what? ROFL


He's an admiited Marxist.

Ugly Duck
06-29-2011, 12:21 AM
She will be judged on what she says, not what is said about her.


"And what a bizarre time we’re in when a judge will say to little children that you can’t say the pledge of allegiance, but you must learn that homosexuality is normal and you should try it... all schools will begin teaching homosexuality. Our children will be forced to learn that homosexuality is normal and natural and that perhaps they should try it, and that’ll be very soon in our public schools all across the state, beginning in kindergarten.”

"The sex curriculum will be essentially by taught by the local gay community... it is our children who are the prize for this community, they are specifically targeting our children.”

“If you’re involved in the gay and lesbian lifestyle, it’s bondage. It is personal bondage, personal despair and personal enslavement. Here’s just a few other companies that support the pro-homosexual agenda. They include Levi-Strauss, American Airlines, Sarah Lee Bakery, Jaguar and LandRover. You don’t think that this is intentional, the message that’s being given to these kids? That’s child abuse.”

"A grain of wheat plus a starfish does not equal a dog, and that this was what evolutionists were teaching in our schools"

"there isn't even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas.''

“But we also know that the very founders that wrote those documents (Constitution, Bill of Rights) worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States.”

"Terri Schiavo was healthy"

''I think there is a point where you say enough is enough to government intrusion. …Does the federal government really need to know our phone numbers?''

“Unelected bureaucracies will decide what we can and cant get in future health insurance policy. Thats why they're called death panels."

''This (Health Care Reform) cannot pass. What we have to do today is make a covenant, to slit our wrists, be blood brothers on this thing. This will not pass."

"(Abortion) is a genocide of African Americans of the United States. It should not be. There are Americans all across this country who would love to adopt African American babies, but they can't because 50 percent of all African American pregnancies today are ending in abortion.''

''If we took away the minimum wage we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely"

"A teacher might say, 'Do you know that the music for this movie was written by a gay man?' The message is: I'm better at what I do, because I'm gay.''

''There are hundreds and hundreds of scientists, many of them holding Nobel Prizes, who believe in intelligent design.''

''We will talk a little bit about what has transpired in the last 18 months and would we count what has transpired into turning our country into a nation of slaves.''

''I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out under another Democrat president, Jimmy Carter. I'm not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it's an interesting coincidence.''

"I'm not saying that that's what the Administration is planning to do, but I am saying that private personal information that was given to the Census Bureau in the 1940s was used against Americans to round them up, in a violation of their constitutional rights, and put the Japanese in internment camps.''

“Carbon dioxide is natural, it is not harmful, it is a part of Earth's lifecycle. And yet we're being told that we have to reduce this natural substance"

“The President of the United States will be taking a trip over to India that is expected to cost the taxpayers $200 million a day.”

"I wish the American media would take a great look at the views of the people in Congress and find out: Are they pro-America or anti-America?"

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ROYC75
06-29-2011, 07:32 AM
Someone born in Iran and being somewhat on the left of the center with domestic politics here posting on a forum predominantly (at least vocally) populated with hard line Righties! Gee, whatever gave you that notion?

It goes with the territory. I don't take it as a boomerang effect. I take it as it really is. Group hollering by the uniformed who want to mask the truth with their noise.

Meanwhile, I plan to post extremist Bachmann's masterpieces as they come. Stay tuned.


Gee, someone is really afraid of Michelle Bachman. Talk about insecurity.

Dave Lane
06-29-2011, 09:25 AM
You're a bag of dicks who should never speak the name John Wayne.

You are not worthy you POS. go die somewhere where the stink only would reach the nose's of your fellow left wing America haten bitches. :thumb:

Yep as bad a poster as Frankie can be, he nowhere approaches the fail that is the actor John Wayne, possibly the worst actor of a generation.

fan4ever
06-29-2011, 09:55 AM
Yep as bad a poster as Frankie can be, he nowhere approaches the fail that is the actor John Wayne, possibly the worst actor of a generation.

I don't know anyone who thinks John Wayne was a great actor, but he certainly wasn't terrible. He played the same type of character very well...of course he never exhibited much range, but was rarely expected to.

What most of us appreciate about John Wayne was that he was proud of his country...something that the acting profession used to embrace (see WWII and how many joined the armed forces). Now, it's the opposite to a very large degree.

FD
06-29-2011, 10:37 AM
I don't know anyone who thinks John Wayne was a great actor, but he certainly wasn't terrible. He played the same type of character very well...of course he never exhibited much range, but was rarely expected to.

What most of us appreciate about John Wayne was that he was proud of his country...something that the acting profession used to embrace (see WWII and how many joined the armed forces). Now, it's the opposite to a very large degree.

I disagree. Wayne didn't show much range but he could be a fantastic actor, just see Red River, the Searchers, True Grit, the Shootist, etc. He played the same character in most of his movies, its true, but he definitely could act and nobody before or since could match his screen presence.

Dave Lane
06-29-2011, 11:47 AM
I don't know anyone who thinks John Wayne was a great actor, but he certainly wasn't terrible. He played the same type of character very well...of course he never exhibited much range, but was rarely expected to.

What most of us appreciate about John Wayne was that he was proud of his country...something that the acting profession used to embrace (see WWII and how many joined the armed forces). Now, it's the opposite to a very large degree.

Well I'm glad he was anti communist which really seemed a easy stance in the 50's but the dodging military service in WWII was a bit dodgy to me.

And really there were a dozen leading men type that were better actors in range and general acting. Admittedly they didn't play John Wayne as well as John Wayne however.

Dave Lane
06-29-2011, 11:48 AM
I disagree. Wayne didn't show much range but he could be a fantastic actor, just see Red River, the Searchers, True Grit, the Shootist, etc. He played the same character in most of his movies, its true, but he definitely could act and nobody before or since could match his screen presence.

Let me change my stance to most over hyped actor of his generation.

vailpass
06-29-2011, 12:01 PM
Yep as bad a poster as Frankie can be, he nowhere approaches the fail that is the actor John Wayne, possibly the worst actor of a generation.

Does it feel bad to be on the outside of everything? Did they pull you away at a young age before you were ready to stop sucking your mom's dick?

fan4ever
06-29-2011, 12:10 PM
Well I'm glad he was anti communist which really seemed a easy stance in the 50's but the dodging military service in WWII was a bit dodgy to me.

And really there were a dozen leading men type that were better actors in range and general acting. Admittedly they didn't play John Wayne as well as John Wayne however.

He's an American icon and his acting ability, as limited as it might have been, likely has little to do with it...it's much more how he portrayed and embraced Americans and the American way of life...I know...corny, eh?

orange
06-29-2011, 12:31 PM
He's an American icon and his acting ability, as limited as it might have been, likely has little to do with it...it's much more how he portrayed and embraced Americans and the American way of life...I know...corny, eh?

Dodging the draft he outspokenly supports, marrying a string of Mexican women... you know, the things that have made America great.

"He would become a 'superpatriot' for the rest of his life trying to atone for staying home."

dirk digler
06-29-2011, 12:35 PM
I attempted to watch the movie Green Berets the other day. Just couldn't make it through it and Wayne was horrible.

fan4ever
06-29-2011, 12:37 PM
Dodging the draft he outspokenly supports, marrying a string of Mexican women... you know, the things that have made America great.

"He would become a 'superpatriot' for the rest of his life trying to atone for staying home."

Like so many of the liberals liked to point out during Weiner's debacle, even our founding fathers had skeleton's in their closets, if indeed it's true...and marrying a string of Mexican women? Number 1, at least he married them, and number 2, so you're a racist, and marrying a foreigner is un-American?

Boy, then Michelle is in trouble...chuckle.

mlyonsd
06-29-2011, 12:37 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb here and make the prediction that as far as draft dodgers go Clinton will never achieve Wayne icon status.

orange
06-29-2011, 12:42 PM
Like so many of the liberals liked to point out during Weiner's debacle, even our founding fathers had skeleton's in their closets, if indeed it's true...and marrying a string of Mexican women? Number 1, at least he married them, and number 2, so you're a racist, and marrying a foreigner is un-American?

Draft deferred, dude. It is true, and you are uninformed. As for "at least he married them..." yes, but it didn't prevent him from having affairs. And I'm not a racist ... more of a nationalist. I'm sure Donger or someone will be along to educate you.

dirk digler
06-29-2011, 12:45 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb here and make the prediction that as far as draft dodgers go Dick Cheney will never achieve Wayne icon status.

This won't make patteeu happy. Shame on you

mlyonsd
06-29-2011, 12:51 PM
This won't make patteeu happy. Shame on youRight, which is why anyone holding a grudge towards Wayne, Clinton, or Cheney for 'dodging' is a hypocrite unless they hold the same grudge towards all.

orange
06-29-2011, 12:54 PM
Right, which is why anyone holding a grudge towards Wayne, Clinton, or Cheney for 'dodging' is a hypocrite unless they hold the same grudge towards all.

One thing different about Clinton - he didn't loudly advocate the draft or the war he dodged.

"I don't believe in this war and I'm not going to go fight it."

"I believe in this war ... but you guys go fight it, 'kay?"

Which statement shows hypocrisy?

fan4ever
06-29-2011, 12:55 PM
Draft deferred, dude. It is true, and you are uninformed. As for "at least he married them..." yes, but it didn't prevent him from having affairs. And I'm not a racist ... more of a nationalist. I'm sure Donger or someone will be along to educate you.

Draft deffered is dodging? Something else I didn't know.

As much as I have an appreciation for John Wayne, I'm not exactly the president of the fan club, so I'm unaware of the dirt others might know...and affairs? Like your favorite Prez before this current one?

I'm sure 90% of hollywood has affairs...then and now. The difference is hollywood used to have a pro-American attitude, reflected by guys like Wayne, which now is anything but...but of course, liberals embrace that, so it's all good.

And being a nationalist...that means not marrying outside the country/foreigners and disliking those who do?

fan4ever
06-29-2011, 12:56 PM
One thing different about Clinton - he didn't loudly advocate the draft or the war he dodged.

Did anyone not advocate the draft / WWII after Pearl Harbor?

orange
06-29-2011, 12:58 PM
Did anyone not advocate the draft / WWII after Pearl Harbor?

Not many, certainly. But most of them - NOT John Wayne - enlisted. How many guys had their studio get their draft status changed? I can name one...

"He would become a 'superpatriot' for the rest of his life trying to atone for staying home."

Contrast that with:

Actors and World War Two Service
Dec 5, 2008 Christopher Eger

Most were not famous at the time, but history would remember these actors, directors and producers more for what they would accomplish later than for the War.

Actor James (Gunsmoke) Arness was in his own words “shot all to hell” and severely wounded and left with a lifelong limp at Anzio, Italy while serving as a rifleman with the 3rd Infantry Division. Charles Durning (the Sting , Rescue Me) served in very intense combat from Omaha beach to the Battle of the Bulge as a infantryman and was wounded no less than three times in a year while being awarded the silver star for valor. Funny man Mel Brooks served as a forward artillery observer. A young Hal Holbrook, while serving in Canada with the Army, got his first chance at acting in the base’s theatre troop. Don Knotts, (Mr Limpet) was a male nurse in the Army in the Pacific. Before his trips to the Twilight Zone, Rod Serling was a paratrooper with the 11th Airborne Division in the Pacific where he specialized in combat demolitions whenever he wasn’t in the ring with the division's boxing team. Famed cross-dresser and B-movie film legend Edward D. Wood, Jr. served in the Marines after volunteering at age 17. He claimed that as a flame-thrower operator he wore a pink silk bra and panties under his uniform as he thought the silk would be more fire retardant than the issued GI underwear at the Battle of Tarawa

Talent on the High Seas
Actor Eddie Albert won a bronze star while operating a Coast Guard landing ship during the hellish Battle of Tarawa. Buddy Epsen (Beverly Hillbillies) also served as a Coast Guard officer aboard a frigate in on solitary weather patrol in the pacific. Henry Fonda likewise took a break from acting and enlisted in the Navy, wining a bronze star. Not to be outdone action picture star Douglas Fairbanks joined the Navy as a lieutenant and promptly found himself attached to British naval special forces. Fairbanks was instrumental in helping form the US Navy Beach Jumper program and later won a silver star while serving on PT Boats in combat. Rod Stieger dropped out of school and found himself a 16-year-old sailor shortly after. Actor Paul Newman was a radioman in torpedo bombers. Director John Ford, who went on to direct John Wayne in more than 20 movies, commanded the photography group of the OSS (WWII’s CIA) and was present on the beach at Normandy. Ford left the Navy as a Rear Admiral. A twenty year old Tony Curtis was serving aboard a submarine tender a mile away from the USS Missouri during the Japanese surrender. Camp movie inventor and gimmick man Roger Corman chased depth charges. Funnymen Soupy Sales, Don Rickles, and Harvey Korman served as sailors while Johnny Carson was an officer on board the war wagon USS Pennsylvania, herself a Pearl Harbor veteran. Hollywood tough guy Kirk Douglas was discharged due to wounds he received as an ASW officer.Gilligan’s Island residents Alan Hale Jr. (The Skipper) served in the Coast Guard while Russell Johnson (The Professor) flew 44 combat missions as a bombardier in B-25s and oddly enough was actually shot down over a Japanese held target.


Actors in the Air
While Lee Marvin served as a marine participating in the invasions at Kwajalein and Eniwetok and was wounded on Saipan while fellow Dirty Dozen star Charles Broson as a tailgunner aboard a B-29 Superfortress over the skies of Japan and was also awarded the Purple Heart for wounds. Rock Hudson was an aircraft mechanic in the Philippines.Charlton Heston was a radio operator on a B-25 in the Aleutians. On another B-25 in the European theater Dragnet star Jack Webb flew as an air crewman. Jack Palance earned his gaunt expression after a disfiguring accident that happened while bailing out of his burning B-24. Having to gain weight to join the Army Air Force, James (It’s a Wonderful Life) Stewart served as a command pilot on B-24s leading more than 20 missions deep into German skies. He ended the war as a Brigadier General and air wing chief of staff in the 8th Air Force. Grieving over the loss of Carol Lombard, Clark “Scarlett I don’t Give a Damn” Gable joined the Army Air Corps and led a film section making training films. Unsatisfied with this he flew on combat missions over Germany where his biggest fan Adolf Hitler placed a bounty on his head if captured alive. Couchmaster Ed McMahon trained as a fighter pilot and wound up remaining in the Air National Guard until 1966 when he retired as a Brigadier General.

They also served
Actors Buddy Hackett, Glenn Ford, Jack Paar, Bob “Captain Kangaroo” Keeshan, Jack Klugman, Red Skelton, Robert Stack, Lee Van Cleef, Dick Van Dyke, Robert Montgomery also served, as did William Holden, although they never saw combat. Musician Desi Arnaz was drafted but after being hurt in boot camp served the rest of the war helping with the USO. Dean Martin was drafted into the army and served for a year in Ohio before being found 4-F and discharged.

Read more at Suite101: Hollywood Heroes in World War Two: Actors and World War Two Service | Suite101.com http://www.suite101.com/content/hollywood-heroes-in-world-war-two-a82469#ixzz1Qh3rPYEX

go bowe
06-29-2011, 01:04 PM
Does it feel bad to be on the outside of everything? Did they pull you away at a young age before you were ready to stop sucking your mom's dick?

ok, now...

how come you know so much about sucking dave's mom's dick?

mlyonsd
06-29-2011, 01:05 PM
One thing different about Clinton - he didn't loudly advocate the draft or the war he dodged.
"I don't believe in this war and I'm not going to go fight it."

"I believe in this war ... but you guys go fight it, 'kay?"
Which statement shows hypocrisy?

I wasn't calling Clinton the hypocrite.

fan4ever
06-29-2011, 01:15 PM
Not many, certainly. But most of them - NOT John Wayne - enlisted. How many guys had their studio get their draft status changed? I can name one...[/INDENT]

Who's to say the government didn't prefer him to stay home making pro-American movies, thinking he could serve better that way? It certainly would serve as great propaganda.

It appears no one knows for a FACT that he dodged...or did he admit to it?

Frankie
06-29-2011, 01:16 PM
Somewhat left of center? And do you really think you need to post what the mainstream media will drone on about to a nauseating level? You should save yourself the typing, but I know you won't...and I'm glad...you're fun.

The Republican portrayal of "Mainstream media" is a myth. And you have drank the cool-aide.

Frankie
06-29-2011, 01:18 PM
"...just because you"..what? ROFL


He's an admiited Marxist.

Marxist or not, you didn't read my post did you? Oh well, par for the course.

Frankie
06-29-2011, 01:20 PM
"And what a bizarre time we’re in when a judge will say to little children that you can’t say the pledge of allegiance, but you must learn that homosexuality is normal and you should try it... all schools will begin teaching homosexuality. Our children will be forced to learn that homosexuality is normal and natural and that perhaps they should try it, and that’ll be very soon in our public schools all across the state, beginning in kindergarten.”

"The sex curriculum will be essentially by taught by the local gay community... it is our children who are the prize for this community, they are specifically targeting our children.”

“If you’re involved in the gay and lesbian lifestyle, it’s bondage. It is personal bondage, personal despair and personal enslavement. Here’s just a few other companies that support the pro-homosexual agenda. They include Levi-Strauss, American Airlines, Sarah Lee Bakery, Jaguar and LandRover. You don’t think that this is intentional, the message that’s being given to these kids? That’s child abuse.”

"A grain of wheat plus a starfish does not equal a dog, and that this was what evolutionists were teaching in our schools"

"there isn't even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas.''

“But we also know that the very founders that wrote those documents (Constitution, Bill of Rights) worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States.”

"Terri Schiavo was healthy"

''I think there is a point where you say enough is enough to government intrusion. …Does the federal government really need to know our phone numbers?''

“Unelected bureaucracies will decide what we can and cant get in future health insurance policy. Thats why they're called death panels."

''This (Health Care Reform) cannot pass. What we have to do today is make a covenant, to slit our wrists, be blood brothers on this thing. This will not pass."

"(Abortion) is a genocide of African Americans of the United States. It should not be. There are Americans all across this country who would love to adopt African American babies, but they can't because 50 percent of all African American pregnancies today are ending in abortion.''

''If we took away the minimum wage we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely"

"A teacher might say, 'Do you know that the music for this movie was written by a gay man?' The message is: I'm better at what I do, because I'm gay.''

''There are hundreds and hundreds of scientists, many of them holding Nobel Prizes, who believe in intelligent design.''

''We will talk a little bit about what has transpired in the last 18 months and would we count what has transpired into turning our country into a nation of slaves.''

''I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out under another Democrat president, Jimmy Carter. I'm not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it's an interesting coincidence.''

"I'm not saying that that's what the Administration is planning to do, but I am saying that private personal information that was given to the Census Bureau in the 1940s was used against Americans to round them up, in a violation of their constitutional rights, and put the Japanese in internment camps.''

“Carbon dioxide is natural, it is not harmful, it is a part of Earth's lifecycle. And yet we're being told that we have to reduce this natural substance"

“The President of the United States will be taking a trip over to India that is expected to cost the taxpayers $200 million a day.”

"I wish the American media would take a great look at the views of the people in Congress and find out: Are they pro-America or anti-America?"

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Hey UD. You gotta feed this stuff to them one by one. That's what I was planning to do. Don't overwhelm them. ROFL

fan4ever
06-29-2011, 01:21 PM
The Republican portrayal of "Mainstream media" is a myth. And you have drank the cool-aide.

I'VE drunk the kool-aide? Man, you're giving me a gut-ache ROFL

go bowe
06-29-2011, 01:22 PM
So are you ok with US taxpayer dollars going overseas to pay for abortions?

difficult question, but not because of the abortion aspect of it...

i have reservations about foreign aid in general so long as we are denying our own citizens the help they need in this world-wide almost-depression...

in general, i would cut foreign aid with an ax until everybody out of work and working poor had access to health care, medicaid, etc., not just the poorest of the poor and those seniors who don't really need medicare and social security to survive.

a strong economy will "fix" the entitlement cost problem (as it relates to services for the poor and working poor) more than anything else, imo...

get a job for a person and reduce the food stamp, medicaid etc. costs by that much; do a few million more like that, and services to the poor will have cut themselves substantially...

fan4ever
06-29-2011, 01:22 PM
Not many, certainly. But most of them - NOT John Wayne - enlisted. How many guys had their studio get their draft status changed? I can name one...

"He would become a 'superpatriot' for the rest of his life trying to atone for staying home."

Contrast that with:

Actors and World War Two Service
Dec 5, 2008 Christopher Eger

Most were not famous at the time, but history would remember these actors, directors and producers more for what they would accomplish later than for the War.

Actor James (Gunsmoke) Arness was in his own words “shot all to hell” and severely wounded and left with a lifelong limp at Anzio, Italy while serving as a rifleman with the 3rd Infantry Division. Charles Durning (the Sting , Rescue Me) served in very intense combat from Omaha beach to the Battle of the Bulge as a infantryman and was wounded no less than three times in a year while being awarded the silver star for valor. Funny man Mel Brooks served as a forward artillery observer. A young Hal Holbrook, while serving in Canada with the Army, got his first chance at acting in the base’s theatre troop. Don Knotts, (Mr Limpet) was a male nurse in the Army in the Pacific. Before his trips to the Twilight Zone, Rod Serling was a paratrooper with the 11th Airborne Division in the Pacific where he specialized in combat demolitions whenever he wasn’t in the ring with the division's boxing team. Famed cross-dresser and B-movie film legend Edward D. Wood, Jr. served in the Marines after volunteering at age 17. He claimed that as a flame-thrower operator he wore a pink silk bra and panties under his uniform as he thought the silk would be more fire retardant than the issued GI underwear at the Battle of Tarawa

Talent on the High Seas
Actor Eddie Albert won a bronze star while operating a Coast Guard landing ship during the hellish Battle of Tarawa. Buddy Epsen (Beverly Hillbillies) also served as a Coast Guard officer aboard a frigate in on solitary weather patrol in the pacific. Henry Fonda likewise took a break from acting and enlisted in the Navy, wining a bronze star. Not to be outdone action picture star Douglas Fairbanks joined the Navy as a lieutenant and promptly found himself attached to British naval special forces. Fairbanks was instrumental in helping form the US Navy Beach Jumper program and later won a silver star while serving on PT Boats in combat. Rod Stieger dropped out of school and found himself a 16-year-old sailor shortly after. Actor Paul Newman was a radioman in torpedo bombers. Director John Ford, who went on to direct John Wayne in more than 20 movies, commanded the photography group of the OSS (WWII’s CIA) and was present on the beach at Normandy. Ford left the Navy as a Rear Admiral. A twenty year old Tony Curtis was serving aboard a submarine tender a mile away from the USS Missouri during the Japanese surrender. Camp movie inventor and gimmick man Roger Corman chased depth charges. Funnymen Soupy Sales, Don Rickles, and Harvey Korman served as sailors while Johnny Carson was an officer on board the war wagon USS Pennsylvania, herself a Pearl Harbor veteran. Hollywood tough guy Kirk Douglas was discharged due to wounds he received as an ASW officer.Gilligan’s Island residents Alan Hale Jr. (The Skipper) served in the Coast Guard while Russell Johnson (The Professor) flew 44 combat missions as a bombardier in B-25s and oddly enough was actually shot down over a Japanese held target.


Actors in the Air
While Lee Marvin served as a marine participating in the invasions at Kwajalein and Eniwetok and was wounded on Saipan while fellow Dirty Dozen star Charles Broson as a tailgunner aboard a B-29 Superfortress over the skies of Japan and was also awarded the Purple Heart for wounds. Rock Hudson was an aircraft mechanic in the Philippines.Charlton Heston was a radio operator on a B-25 in the Aleutians. On another B-25 in the European theater Dragnet star Jack Webb flew as an air crewman. Jack Palance earned his gaunt expression after a disfiguring accident that happened while bailing out of his burning B-24. Having to gain weight to join the Army Air Force, James (It’s a Wonderful Life) Stewart served as a command pilot on B-24s leading more than 20 missions deep into German skies. He ended the war as a Brigadier General and air wing chief of staff in the 8th Air Force. Grieving over the loss of Carol Lombard, Clark “Scarlett I don’t Give a Damn” Gable joined the Army Air Corps and led a film section making training films. Unsatisfied with this he flew on combat missions over Germany where his biggest fan Adolf Hitler placed a bounty on his head if captured alive. Couchmaster Ed McMahon trained as a fighter pilot and wound up remaining in the Air National Guard until 1966 when he retired as a Brigadier General.

They also served
Actors Buddy Hackett, Glenn Ford, Jack Paar, Bob “Captain Kangaroo” Keeshan, Jack Klugman, Red Skelton, Robert Stack, Lee Van Cleef, Dick Van Dyke, Robert Montgomery also served, as did William Holden, although they never saw combat. Musician Desi Arnaz was drafted but after being hurt in boot camp served the rest of the war helping with the USO. Dean Martin was drafted into the army and served for a year in Ohio before being found 4-F and discharged.

Read more at Suite101: Hollywood Heroes in World War Two: Actors and World War Two Service | Suite101.com http://www.suite101.com/content/hollywood-heroes-in-world-war-two-a82469#ixzz1Qh3rPYEX

As much as I appreciate these great people who served their country, you also don't know what thier draft status was...if they were likely to be drafted anyway and joined instead.

BigCatDaddy
06-29-2011, 01:22 PM
The Republican portrayal of "Mainstream media" is a myth. And you have drank the cool-aide.

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664.aspx

"I suspected that many media outlets would tilt to the left because surveys have shown that reporters tend to vote more Democrat than Republican," said Tim Groseclose, a UCLA political scientist and the study's lead author. "But I was surprised at just how pronounced the distinctions are."

"Overall, the major media outlets are quite moderate compared to members of Congress, but even so, there is a quantifiable and significant bias in that nearly all of them lean to the left," said co‑author Jeffrey Milyo, University of Missouri economist and public policy scholar.

orange
06-29-2011, 01:23 PM
Who's to say the government didn't prefer him to stay home making pro-American movies, thinking he could serve better that way? It certainly would serve as great propaganda.

It appears no one knows for a FACT that he dodged...or did he admit to it?

No, he DODGED. It's a fact. "Draft dodging" doesn't mean running off to Canada, no more than "tax avoiding" means breaking the law.

Was John Wayne a draft dodger?
July 10, 1998
Dear Cecil:

In your book The Straight Dope you were asked whether John Wayne had ever served in the military. You said no--that though Wayne as a youth had wanted to become a naval officer, "during World War II, he was rejected for military service." However, it may be more interesting than that. According to a recent Wayne bio, for all his vaunted patriotism, Wayne may actually have tried to stay out of the service.

— Virgiejo, via AOL

Cecil replies:

John Wayne, draft dodger? Oh, what delicious (if cheap) irony! But that judgment is a little harsh. As Garry Wills tells the story in his book John Wayne's America: The Politics of Celebrity (1997), the Duke faced a tough choice at the outset of World War II. If he wimped out, don't be so sure a lot of us wouldn't have done the same.

At the time of Pearl Harbor, Wayne was 34 years old. His marriage was on the rocks but he still had four kids to support. His career was taking off, in large part on the strength of his work in the classic western Stagecoach (1939). But he wasn't rich. Should he chuck it all and enlist? Many of Hollywood's big names, such as Henry Fonda, Jimmy Stewart, and Clark Gable, did just that. (Fonda, Wills points out, was 37 at the time and had a wife and three kids.) But these were established stars. Wayne knew that if he took a few years off for military service, there was a good chance that by the time he got back he'd be over the hill.

Besides, he specialized in the kind of movies a nation at war wanted to see, in which a rugged American hero overcame great odds. Recognizing that Hollywood was an important part of the war effort, Washington had told California draft boards to go easy on actors.* Perhaps rationalizing that he could do more good at home, Wayne obtained 3-A status, "deferred for [family] dependency reasons." He told friends he'd enlist after he made just one or two more movies.

The real question is why he never did so. Wayne cranked out thirteen movies during the war, many with war-related themes. Most of the films were enormously successful and within a short time the Duke was one of America's most popular stars. His bankability now firmly established, he could have joined the military, secure in the knowledge that Hollywood would welcome him back later. He even made a half-hearted effort to sign up, sending in the paperwork to enlist in the naval photography unit commanded by a good friend, director John Ford.

But he didn't follow through. Nobody really knows why; Wayne didn't like to talk about it. A guy who prided himself on doing his own stunts, he doesn't seem to have lacked physical courage. One suspects he just found it was a lot more fun being a Hollywood hero than the real kind. Many movie star-soldiers had enlisted in the first flush of patriotism after Pearl Harbor. As the war ground on, slogging it out in the trenches seemed a lot less exciting. The movies, on the other hand, had put Wayne well on the way to becoming a legend. "Wayne increasingly came to embody the American fighting man," Wills writes. In late 1943 and early 1944 he entertained the troops in the Pacific theater as part of a USO tour. An intelligence bigshot asked him to give his impression of Douglas MacArthur. He was fawned over by the press when he got back. Meanwhile, he was having a torrid affair with a beautiful Mexican woman. How could military service compare with that?

In 1944, Wayne received a 2-A classification, "deferred in support of [the] national . . . interest." A month later the Selective Service decided to revoke many previous deferments and reclassified him 1-A. But Wayne's studio appealed and got his 2-A status reinstated until after the war ended.

People who knew Wayne say he felt bad about not having served. (During the war he'd gotten into a few fights with servicemen who wondered why he wasn't in uniform.) Some think his guilty conscience was one reason he became such a superpatriot later. The fact remains that the man who came to symbolize American patriotism and pride had a chance to do more than just act the part, and he let it pass.

— Cecil Adams

* a tradition Cecil carries on here

Frankie
06-29-2011, 01:24 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb here and make the prediction that as far as draft dodgers go Clinton will never achieve Wayne icon status.

Meh, there's always Dick Cheney to look at for the high standard.

Frankie
06-29-2011, 01:26 PM
I'VE drunk the kool-aide? Man, you're giving me a gut-ache ROFL

I hope at least it tasted OK.

fan4ever
06-29-2011, 01:31 PM
Decided to read up on his military service; looks like he intentionally didn't enlist, but had a number of reasons not to, including a lawsuit from his studio if he walked out on his contract. Also looks like he regretted it, as Orange posted, probably until his death.

Although I'm disappointed to discover this, he still stands far above most of what exists in Hollywood today IMO.

fan4ever
06-29-2011, 01:34 PM
I hope at least it tasted OK.

A recent poll shows that during the 2008 presidential election, 90% of Republicans thought the media strongly favored Obama.

It appears the same poll showed 60% of Democrats felt the same way...so I guess it's not just a "Republican" myth we're dealing with here Frankie.

I suppose you'll want a link to ignore, so let me know and I'll get to it in a few hours...have work to do...

fan4ever
06-29-2011, 01:41 PM
"Washington had told California draft boards to go easy on actors.* Perhaps rationalizing that he could do more good at home, Wayne obtained 3-A status, "deferred for [family] dependency reasons."

I can see him rationalize this thought process...it would be a tough decision of any of us.

vailpass
06-29-2011, 01:43 PM
Orange, Frankie, & Dave Loon.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the obama crowd.
Need I say more?

go bowe
06-29-2011, 01:47 PM
Which I don't have a problem with. If you'll look at my original post on the subject it was only to point out the liberal MSM's quick response attack.

My sidebar with go bo is an attempt to show him that as a grandpa he should rethink his position on someone who's first position is to protect someone that doesn't have a voice. It isn't as sinister as he might believe.

i agree that it was a quick response attack, but if the charges are true, particularly when heard in her own words, it's more of an educational experience for the viewer than an attack, which seems to imply that the attack is baseless...

as a grandpa, if my granddaughter chooses to get an abortion, i will drive her to the clinic...

unfortunately for ms. bachman, she's advocating a return to days of back-room abortions with the consequent injury and even death...

i understand that she is genuinely trying to do what she thinks is right and that her definition of unborn is based in her religious beliefs, but i don't want someone who is anti-choice to be in a postion to appoint a supreme court justice...

apart from her anti-choice stance and her framing all decisions in the prism of anti-choice, she is simply wrong a lot of the time and makes assertions that are almost laughable...

watch the clips about her past statements in this thread and tell me (apart from her stances on anti-choice and anti-gay) which one of those statements is misquoted or does not accurately portray her position on the subject?

watch all the clips, not just the one embedded, does she really make stuff up or is she simply wrong on her facts in some of those clips?

whichever it is, she looks a little like a kook; and it's all in her own words, not the characterizations of some partisan hack...

fan4ever
06-29-2011, 01:56 PM
Orange, Frankie, & Dave Loon.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the obama crowd.
Need I say more?

Although just as committed to the cause, I think Orange and Dave give much better arguments...Frankie's just funny.

mlyonsd
06-29-2011, 02:01 PM
i agree that it was a quick response attack, but if the charges are true, particularly when heard in her own words, it's more of an educational experience for the viewer than an attack, which seems to imply that the attack is baseless...

as a grandpa, if my granddaughter chooses to get an abortion, i will drive her to the clinic...

unfortunately for ms. bachman, she's advocating a return to days of back-room abortions with the consequent injury and even death...

i understand that she is genuinely trying to do what she thinks is right and that her definition of unborn is based in her religious beliefs, but i don't want someone who is anti-choice to be in a postion to appoint a supreme court justice...

apart from her anti-choice stance and her framing all decisions in the prism of anti-choice, she is simply wrong a lot of the time and makes assertions that are almost laughable...

watch the clips about her past statements in this thread and tell me (apart from her stances on anti-choice and anti-gay) which one of those statements is misquoted or does not accurately portray her position on the subject?

watch all the clips, not just the one embedded, does she really make stuff up or is she simply wrong on her facts in some of those clips?

whichever it is, she looks a little like a kook; and it's all in her own words, not the characterizations of some partisan hack...And I would never judge you or your granddaughter. But with the problems we're facing if something silly like a stance on abortion is what drives voters in the next election we're more F'd up then ever and deserve anything we get.

And FTR I watched both her Sunday network appearances and I can completely understand why she was asked the flake question.

kc rush
06-29-2011, 02:02 PM
Off topic a little bit, but my wife's grandmother went to school with John Wayne, and whenever anyone would bring him up she'd get mad.

I guess he asked her out on dates a few times, but she refused to go out with him because she thought he was, in her words "an arrogant jerk".

She was a really cool lady, but I would always get a chuckle to see her get pissed off about John Wayne.

fan4ever
06-29-2011, 03:28 PM
Off topic a little bit, but my wife's grandmother went to school with John Wayne, and whenever anyone would bring him up she'd get mad.

I guess he asked her out on dates a few times, but she refused to go out with him because she thought he was, in her words "an arrogant jerk".

She was a really cool lady, but I would always get a chuckle to see her get pissed off about John Wayne.

Perhaps if she were Mexican he would have asked her out a few more times.

orange
06-29-2011, 03:32 PM
Perhaps if she were Mexican he would have asked her out a few more times.

Or even proposed.

stevieray
06-29-2011, 03:55 PM
Marxist or not, you didn't read my post did you? Oh well, par for the course.doesn't surprise me a marxist in the admin doesn't bother the poster whom constantly needs to remind us he's from Iran...

read your post? it was irrelevant ...nowhere did I imply what the President might or might not do....that's just your juvenile way of avoiding the point.

....'as par for the course'

go bowe
06-29-2011, 04:54 PM
And I would never judge you or your granddaughter. But with the problems we're facing if something silly like a stance on abortion is what drives voters in the next election we're more F'd up then ever and deserve anything we get.

And FTR I watched both her Sunday network appearances and I can completely understand why she was asked the flake question.

it's her flakiness that concerns me, much more so than her stand on abortion...

mlyonsd
06-29-2011, 06:47 PM
it's her flakiness that concerns me, much more so than her stand on abortion...She wouldn't be my first choice.

petegz28
06-29-2011, 07:16 PM
She is getting pimped by the media. Even if in a negative light. They keep the spotlight on her. It's what the Left-leaning media wants. She has no chance in hell at winning and they know this, so they keep her out front.

petegz28
06-29-2011, 07:30 PM
I just saw a clip of Madow calling Bachmann a hypocrit because her husband who is in the medical field received $137,000 in medicare payments as reimbursements for services over 6 years.

Seriously? Is that the best they could dig up?

Frankie
06-29-2011, 08:06 PM
A recent poll shows that during the 2008 presidential election, 90% of Republicans thought the media strongly favored Obama.

ROFL

Frankie
06-29-2011, 08:09 PM
Orange, Frankie, & Dave Loon.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the obama crowd.
Need I say more?

Wrong again failpass. I was a Hillary man up until the end of the convention. Obama was my distant second choice all along. But he was a hell of a lot better choice than Mr. Magoo.

Frankie
06-29-2011, 08:12 PM
doesn't surprise me a marxist in the admin doesn't bother the poster whom constantly needs to remind us he's from Iran.

Yeah Mr. Knowledge, Iran is a Marxist country. ROFL

Frankie
06-29-2011, 08:14 PM
I just saw a clip of Madow calling Bachmann a hypocrit because her husband who is in the medical field received $137,000 in medicare payments as reimbursements for services over 6 years.

Seriously? Is that the best they could dig up?

Stay tuned.

dirk digler
06-29-2011, 08:16 PM
I just saw a clip of Madow calling Bachmann a hypocrit because her husband who is in the medical field received $137,000 in medicare payments as reimbursements for services over 6 years.

Seriously? Is that the best they could dig up?

I think it is important. She has stated many times about wanting to get rid of Medicaid of course unless it affects her business. Also the biggest part of Medicaid fraud comes from these types of clinics.

dirk digler
06-29-2011, 08:19 PM
Bachmann's husband believes gays are barbarians. This will probably help in the Republican primaries :p

Just last summer, Dr. Bachmann explained his position (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvwP4vHEc-I&feature=player_embedded#at=262) on homosexuality while offering theoretical advice to parents concerned that one of their children was gay.

BACHMANN: We have to understand: barbarians need to be educated. They need to be disciplined. Just because someone feels it or thinks it doesn’t mean that we are supposed to go down that road. That’s what is called the sinful nature. We have a responsibility as parents and as authority figures not to encourage such thoughts and feelings from moving into the action steps…

stevieray
06-29-2011, 09:43 PM
Yeah Mr. Knowledge, Iran is a Marxist country. ROFL

and who said that, frankie?


you did.

you are being an extremely dishonest in this conversation.

go bowe
06-30-2011, 10:12 AM
and who said that, frankie?


you did.

you are being an extremely dishonest in this conversation.

i'm having a little trouble following this exchange...

who's the marxist in government?

is frankie marxist?

does frankie know how to read?

nobody said iranians are marxists...

color me mildly confused...

vailpass
06-30-2011, 10:18 AM
Wrong again failpass. I was a Hillary man up until the end of the convention. Obama was my distant second choice all along. But he was a hell of a lot better choice than Mr. Magoo.

Don't address me directly unless I speak to you. If you want to pollute my space with your dual citizen puling say it to GoBowe and he can filter it. I dont mean to trouble Bowe but he seems to be the only rational board member who can stand your idiocy even if he doesn't agree with all of it.

Every time you get the urge to address me directly please stuff your towel in your mouth until the urge passes you fire-jumping freak show.

BigCatDaddy
06-30-2011, 10:24 AM
ROFL

Why didn't you respond the my link with the UCLA study showing the liberal bias in the media that you said was a myth?

Chief Henry
06-30-2011, 10:27 AM
Why didn't you respond the my link with the UCLA study showing the liberal bias in the media that you said was a myth?

Because he is a classic liberal. Liberals don't like facts.

BucEyedPea
06-30-2011, 10:54 AM
Bachmann's husband believes gays are barbarians. This will probably help in the Republican primaries :p

Is he running for office?

fan4ever
06-30-2011, 11:21 AM
Because he is a classic liberal. Liberals don't like facts.

I have friends who are staunch liberals and even they agree the media has a bias...just not to the extent I do...but then again, these are fairly intelligent people who are able to see things somewhat as they are. Frankie is just a silly man who doesn't even receive much support from other liberal posters here on the planet...'cause they know Frankie is an embarrassment to have on their side.

dirk digler
06-30-2011, 11:25 AM
Is he running for office?

Was Rev Wright running for office?

Frankie
06-30-2011, 12:58 PM
i'm having a little trouble following this exchange...

who's the marxist in government?

is frankie marxist?

does frankie know how to read?

nobody said iranians are marxists...

color me mildly confused...

Well he said since I was "from Iran" he was not surprised that some "marxist" in the WH did not bother me. How else would you read that?

Frankie
06-30-2011, 01:00 PM
Because he is a classic liberal. Liberals don't like facts.

COMEDY GOLD coming from a con-servative!ROFL

Frankie
06-30-2011, 01:10 PM
I have friends who are staunch liberals and even they agree the media has a bias...just not to the extent I do...
That's because now "conservative" media is defined by the radical Right Fox "News" and Sean Limbeck. Anything left of that radical extreme is by defualt considered liberal.
Frankie is just a silly man who doesn't even receive much support from other liberal posters here on the planet...'cause they know Frankie is an embarrassment to have on their side.I get enough support by PMs and reps, thank you very much. Liberals are by nature are less loud and verbally aggressive than your side. I'm the exception to the rule and you just can't stand nor handle me. That's why your asses usually burn so deep that you have to rely on hateful posts, angry "laughter" emoticons, and mass personal attacks instead of actual debate.

Ugly Duck
06-30-2011, 01:17 PM
Hey UD. You gotta feed this stuff to them one by one. That's what I was planning to do. Don't overwhelm them. ROFL

You serious? They can only comprehend one at a time all spelled out for them? OK... "Bachmann will be judged by what she said, not by what others say about her." Here's what she said:

"A grain of wheat plus a starfish does not equal a dog, and that this was what evolutionists were teaching in our schools"

Nobody is teaching that a grain of wheat plus a starfish equals a dog. That contention plus a horrendous misunderstanding of the process of evolution equals a flake.

http://www.civilianism.com/uploads/2011/03/CrazyBachmannNuts1.jpg

Frankie
06-30-2011, 01:21 PM
You serious? They can only comprehend one at a time all spelled out for them?YES! Not all our conservative friends here most of whom I respect and love, but the avid Sean Limbeck sheep.

BigCatDaddy
06-30-2011, 01:22 PM
YES!

Still waiting?????????

go bowe
06-30-2011, 01:29 PM
Well he said since I was "from Iran" he was not surprised that some "marxist" in the WH did not bother me. How else would you read that?

let's see...

from iran = three-eyed fire-breathing monster of yore, but not necessarily marxist, although there is a clear implication along those lines...

marxist in the white house doesn't bother you = somebody (presumably obama) doesn't bother you (probably because you are a blood-thirsty evil-doing narcoleptic iranian, or possibly because your are a liberal/democrat, or both - i'm not sure so that's why i was asking)...

or maybe you're a marxist too, it' hard to keep up sometimes...

Frankie
06-30-2011, 02:16 PM
let's see...

from iran = three-eyed fire-breathing monster of yore, but not necessarily marxist, although there is a clear implication along those lines...

marxist in the white house doesn't bother you = somebody (presumably obama) doesn't bother you (probably because you are a blood-thirsty evil-doing narcoleptic iranian, or possibly because your are a liberal/democrat, or both - i'm not sure so that's why i was asking)...

or maybe you're a marxist too, it' hard to keep up sometimes...

Well I'm a big fan of the Marx brothers.

stevieray
06-30-2011, 04:44 PM
i'm having a little trouble following this exchange...

who's the marxist in government?

is frankie marxist?

does frankie know how to read?

nobody said iranians are marxists...

color me mildly confused...

seriously?

or just white knight?

Jenson71
06-30-2011, 04:51 PM
Obama's spiritual advisor is an admitted Marxist

No, he's not.

fan4ever
06-30-2011, 04:54 PM
That's because now "conservative" media is defined by the radical Right Fox "News" and Sean Limbeck. Anything left of that radical extreme is by defualt considered liberal.
I get enough support by PMs and reps, thank you very much. Liberals are by nature are less loud and verbally aggressive than your side. I'm the exception to the rule and you just can't stand nor handle me. That's why your asses usually burn so deep that you have to rely on hateful posts, angry "laughter" emoticons, and mass personal attacks instead of actual debate.

My God are you delusional. Liberals are by nature less loud and verbally aggressive? It's like you live in an alternate bizarre universe where everything is backwards. And those evil, nasty, angry "laughter emoticons"...man that's funny...you're the gift that keeps on giving.

Here's a hint; if people aren't willing to come to your side publicly, then they're not really on your side. If you getting back pats from them in PM's then maybe it's because they know as long as you're around they'll never be considered the dumbest poster in the D.C. forum.

MahiMike
06-30-2011, 04:54 PM
Donate to Bachman!

nah, but if she ever teams up with Turner and puts it into Overdrive, then we'll talk...

Frankie
06-30-2011, 05:43 PM
No, he's not.

I think stevie was confusing him with Van Jones who aparently was a FORMER Marxist in his younger days.

Frankie
06-30-2011, 05:51 PM
My God are you delusional. Liberals are by nature less loud and verbally aggressive? It's like you live in an alternate bizarre universe where everything is backwards. And those evil, nasty, angry "laughter emoticons"...man that's funny...you're the gift that keeps on giving.

Here's a hint; if people aren't willing to come to your side publicly, then they're not really on your side. If you getting back pats from them in PM's then maybe it's because they know as long as you're around they'll never be considered the dumbest poster in the D.C. forum.
So you are saying the Righties are the quiet ones. :hmmm: Some of them (like you) do have their heads up their assess where they have not heard the Righties' banshee screams and diversions of issues in the last two years. That, combined with you obviously being wired with stupidity naturally makes you post an absolute idiocy like you just did.

Frankie
06-30-2011, 05:52 PM
Bachmann's hinting at girly mud-wrestling with Palin! ROFL Get your reservations before tickets are all sold out.

“They want to see two girls come together and have a mud wrestling fight, and I’m not going to give it to ‘em,”

orange
06-30-2011, 06:14 PM
Sean Limbeck

Not anymore. Just Sean B. Limbaugh now.

Frankie
06-30-2011, 06:15 PM
Not anymore. Just Sean B. Limbaugh now.

Alas Beck is still on the Radio selling his 'political' snake oil.

fan4ever
06-30-2011, 06:33 PM
So you are saying the Righties are the quiet ones. :hmmm: Some of them (like you) do have their heads up their assess where they have not heard the Righties' banshee screams and diversions of issues in the last two years. That, combined with you obviously being wired with stupidity naturally makes you post an absolute idiocy like you just did.

It's funny how often you bring up "intelligence". I'd stay away from that topic if I were you.

Oh, and take this....
ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

go bowe
06-30-2011, 08:31 PM
seriously?

or just white knight?

seriously...

i was asking who's the marxist in the administration and then i asked if frankie can read, since it didn't appear to me that you were saying that frankie was a marxist but i wasn't sure so i asked...

i leave the knighting stuff to younger men, the damn horse quit, claiming i was too heavy to carry any more...

damn horses anyway...

go bowe
06-30-2011, 08:37 PM
It's funny how often you bring up "intelligence". I'd stay away from that topic if I were you.

Oh, and take this....
ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

ok now, stop, just stop...

how can you be so mean and cruel?

there must be eleventy smilies in a row there, all nastily laughing at frankie...

brute!

scalawag!

cotton boll!

oh, wait...

Frankie
06-30-2011, 08:48 PM
It's funny how often you bring up "intelligence". I'd stay away from that topic if I were you.

I should stay away from topics unfamiliar to you? :hmmm: Thanks for telling me. Now on I'll try to talk to you in, say,... Dr. Seuss rhymes so you can keep up.

fan4ever
06-30-2011, 11:53 PM
I should stay away from topics unfamiliar to you? :hmmm: Thanks for telling me. Now on I'll try to talk to you in, say,... Dr. Seuss rhymes so you can keep up.

Good night Frankie; sleep tight in your weird little world...where you're smart.

I can't wait to see what gems you'll share with us tomorrow.

By the way...liberals coming to your defense in this thread?

"Crickets"

Frankie
07-01-2011, 11:26 AM
Good night Frankie; sleep tight in your weird little world...where you're smart.

I can't wait to see what gems you'll share with us tomorrow.

By the way...liberals coming to your defense in this thread?

"Crickets"

Well it's tomorrow and I'm awake. You, I bet though, are still in your 'political' stupor.

Liberals do not need defense. When you are right you do not need defended. You don't see me coming to the other "Liberals'" defense, do you? Has it occurred to you that maybe we do not need logical, cerebral help and only those with shortcomings of those tools need to band together and make a lot of noise?

Oh, wait,.... I forgot,... things don't "occure" to you easily, do they?

ROYC75
07-01-2011, 12:23 PM
Frankie, why are you hell bent on Bachman ? Seriously ?

The only 2 GOP candidates in the race so far with a chance at beating Obama is Romney & Pawlenty. Tim got off to a bad start, it's Romney's nomination to loose.

fan4ever
07-01-2011, 12:31 PM
Well it's tomorrow and I'm awake. You, I bet though, are still in your 'political' stupor.

Liberals do not need defense. When you are right you do not need defended. You don't see me coming to the other "Liberals'" defense, do you? Has it occurred to you that maybe we do not need logical, cerebral help and only those with shortcomings of those tools need to band together and make a lot of noise?

Oh, wait,.... I forgot,... things don't "occure" to you easily, do they?

More cerebral talk; too funny.

"Occure"?

I doubt you're awake now, if ever.

Keep on keepin' on Frankie. Can't wait 'til your next thread/post.

Frankie
07-01-2011, 05:03 PM
Frankie, why are you hell bent on Bachman ? Seriously ?

I just consider Bachmann one of the leading Crazy (with a capital C) fringe politicians. Have noticed her and particularly disliked her since I watched her on Hardball screaming for investigations of senators and congressmen/women for un-American activities. Pure McCarthyism.

Frankie
07-01-2011, 05:06 PM
"Occure"?

Correcting a typo did occur to you. There's hope.

fan4ever
07-01-2011, 05:39 PM
Correcting a typo did occur to you. There's hope.

Yeah, I usually ignore such things, I make enough of my own I'm sure...it's just that you being so cerebral and all, I know you'd appreciate someone pointing that out ;)

Have a good weekend, and don't forget to put that flag out Monday. Oh, and I do mean Old Glory.

The Mad Crapper
07-01-2011, 05:59 PM
Correcting a typo did occur to you. There's hope.

http://www.iaza.com/work/110702C/iaza15144955456700.jpg

Frankie
08-17-2011, 12:43 AM
LMAO :facepalm:

Bachmann wishes Elvis happy birthday on death date

<iframe width="560" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Ro5vZ-K20bY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

SPARTANBURG, South Carolina (AP) — Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann got her Elvis Presley dates all shook up during a campaign stop Tuesday in South Carolina.

The congresswoman from Minnesota played the Elvis tune "Promised Land" at a local restaurant and told the crowd of 300 that she wanted to say happy birthday to the king of rock 'n' roll.

"Before we get started, let's all say happy birthday to Elvis Presley today!" Bachmann said.

But Aug. 16 is the anniversary of Elvis' death, in 1977, and someone in the crowd shouted back, "He died today!"

Bachmann didn't respond and launched into her speech.

She didn't miss a beat on the Elvis front either. As she signed autographs, she paused for a brief dance with one of her fans.

Bachmann corrected herself later as she spoke with reporters, noting the date marked Presley's passing, not his birth. He was born on Jan. 8, 1935.

"As far as we're concerned, he's still alive in our hearts," Bachmann said.

Bachmann has stumbled over cultural references before. In June, she kicked off her presidential campaign in Waterloo, Iowa, calling it the home of American actor John Wayne. The town was actually home for a time to serial killer John Wayne Gacy.

http://news.yahoo.com/bachmann-wishes-elvis-happy-birthday-death-date-184534908.html

stevieray
08-17-2011, 07:45 AM
"after years of verbal and emotional abuse, frankie couldn't wait to start his day, to begin again to quench the monster, to build up from tearing down"

film at 11

Frankie
08-17-2011, 08:10 AM
"after years of verbal and emotional abuse, frankie couldn't wait to start his day, to begin again to quench the monster, to build up from tearing down"

film at 11

Did what I posted not match the topic here? :shrug:

LOCOChief
08-17-2011, 08:25 AM
First you start a ridiculous thread about planes breaking up and then when you get hammered for going full retard on the 159 IQ thing you start a series of sympathy threads about a fictitious beating and another about a stupid looking cat. The crazy think is your football takes in the lounge are even more idiotic.

You are a dumbass.

Frankie
08-17-2011, 02:07 PM
First you start a ridiculous thread about planes breaking up and then when you get hammered for going full retard on the 159 IQ thing you start a series of sympathy threads about a fictitious beating and another about a stupid looking cat. The crazy think is your football takes in the lounge are even more idiotic.

You are a dumbass.

Wow!!...

So much anger!

Frankie
08-29-2011, 11:26 AM
In an effort to keep Ms. Michele's fascinating endeavors in one place and organized I am posting this link about her most recent zaniness below (even though it's being covered in another thread too):

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/bachmann-claims-hurricane-earthquake-were-god-messages-politicians-155051199.html

It's about her recent allusion to the deadly hurricane Ilene as being a message from God!

Of course after the initial outrage about a batshit remark like that it now seems that she was merely joking and saying it "in jest.".

I don't know what's worse. A batshit crazy woman who claims she receives messages and visions from God, or a heartless jerk who plays the deaths of 21 people for laughs. Take your pick.


(For those of you who may have missed the other thread, here's the link to it:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=249146)

Donger
08-29-2011, 11:29 AM
In an effort to keep Ms. Michele's fascinating endeavors in one place and organized I am posting this link about her most recent zaniness below (even though it's being covered in another thread too):

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/bachmann-claims-hurricane-earthquake-were-god-messages-politicians-155051199.html

It's about her recent allusion to the deadly hurricane Ilene as being a message from God!

Of course after the initial outrage about a batshit remark like that it now seems that she was merely joking and saying it "in jest.".

I don't know what's worse. A batshit crazy woman who claims she receives messages and visions from God, or a heartless jerk who plays the deaths of 21 people for laughs. Take your pick.


(For those of you who may have missed the other thread, here's the link to it:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=249146)

How do you know that she was aware that deaths had occurred before she made that joke, Frankie?

Frankie
08-29-2011, 11:31 AM
Next!

Iowanian
08-29-2011, 12:53 PM
She likely has an IQ of 160.


CAN YOU IMAGINE IF SHE FLEW AN AIRPLANE!! IT MIGHT BREAK IN HALF MID FLIGHT

Frankie
08-29-2011, 01:55 PM
Next!

Frankie
09-05-2011, 09:43 PM
Bachmann campaign manager, deputy step down :hmmm: :

http://news.yahoo.com/bachmann-campaign-manager-deputy-stepping-down-014300635.html

Frankie
12-01-2011, 10:18 AM
I know she's no longer relevant. But she's still fun:

"In light of the British Foreign Ministry pulling all U.K. nationals out of the British embassy in Tehran after students stormed the building in protest, GOP presidential candidate Michelle Bachmann told a crowd in Waverly, Iowa, today that she would close the U.S. embassy in Iran." ROFL

http://news.yahoo.com/us-embassy-iran-michele-bachmann-oops-moment-002030317.html

fan4ever
12-01-2011, 10:24 AM
I know she's no longer relevant. But she's still fun:

"In light of the British Foreign Ministry pulling all U.K. nationals out of the British embassy in Tehran after students stormed the building in protest, GOP presidential candidate Michelle Bachmann told a crowd in Waverly, Iowa, today that she would close the U.S. embassy in Iran." ROFL

http://news.yahoo.com/us-embassy-iran-michele-bachmann-oops-moment-002030317.html

OK Frankie, time to start another Sarah Palin thread.

No? Maybe Dan Quayle? LMAO

vailpass
12-01-2011, 10:33 AM
Uppity bitch.

Donger
12-01-2011, 12:00 PM
I know she's no longer relevant. But she's still fun:

"In light of the British Foreign Ministry pulling all U.K. nationals out of the British embassy in Tehran after students stormed the building in protest, GOP presidential candidate Michelle Bachmann told a crowd in Waverly, Iowa, today that she would close the U.S. embassy in Iran." ROFL

http://news.yahoo.com/us-embassy-iran-michele-bachmann-oops-moment-002030317.html

That's almost as sad as Obama saying that the "English embassy in Iran" has been closed. Almost.

vailpass
12-01-2011, 12:02 PM
That's almost as sad as Obama saying that the "English embassy in Iran" has been closed. Almost.

I heard the Orientals were pissed about that one too.

orange
12-01-2011, 03:05 PM
That's almost as sad as Obama saying that the "English embassy in Iran" has been closed. Almost.

Obama must agree since he corrected himself before he finished the sentence.

But what's really sad is poor Nile getting a stick up his ass over it.

Hasty Puddings
12-01-2011, 03:12 PM
How do you say that in Austrian?

LOCOChief
12-02-2011, 05:45 AM
I know she's no longer relevant. But she's still fun:

"In light of the British Foreign Ministry pulling all U.K. nationals out of the British embassy in Tehran after students stormed the building in protest, GOP presidential candidate Michelle Bachmann told a crowd in Waverly, Iowa, today that she would close the U.S. embassy in Iran." ROFL

http://news.yahoo.com/us-embassy-iran-michele-bachmann-oops-moment-002030317.html

I understood that she meant if we had an embassy in Iran. You apparently aren't that smart are you? More than that this is what a back biting little iranian like yourself would draw from this instead of the fact that Iranian students are being made the scapegoat for what your iranian govt did.

"Students storming an embassy"? Frankie = worthless dipshit whose mother is a raginjg whore.

Hasty Puddings
12-02-2011, 06:10 AM
I understood that she meant if we had an embassy in Iran. You apparently aren't that smart are you? More than that this is what a back biting little iranian like yourself would draw from this instead of the fact that Iranian students are being made the scapegoat for what your iranian govt did.

"Students storming an embassy"? Frankie = worthless dipshit whose mother is a raginjg whore.

:clap:

Frankie
12-02-2011, 10:11 AM
I understood that she meant if we had an embassy in Iran. You apparently aren't that smart are you? More than that this is what a back biting little iranian like yourself would draw from this instead of the fact that Iranian students are being made the scapegoat for what your iranian govt did.

"Students storming an embassy"? Frankie = worthless dipshit whose mother is a raginjg whore.

As stupid as your reasoning and justification is (she meant "if!" ROFL ROFL) and with your history of the same I'm really surprised that your post this time is not your typical absolute fail. You got the part about the students right. But a blind cat catches a mouse once in a while if the mouse is weak enough.

LOCOChief
12-02-2011, 12:05 PM
You got the part about the students right. .

I think that you're forgetting the fact that I was also right about your mother.

Frankie
12-02-2011, 12:11 PM
I think that you're forgetting the fact that I was also right about your mother.

I assume you have not checked your profile mail.

LOCOChief
12-02-2011, 12:20 PM
I assume you have not checked your profile mail.


I'm waiting for your unbridled response.

Frankie
12-02-2011, 12:29 PM
I'm waiting for your unbridled response.

Here or over beer or something? Meantime I have very cordially asked you to abandon that particular angle.

go bowe
12-02-2011, 12:48 PM
good luck with that...

vailpass
12-02-2011, 01:32 PM
Here or over beer or something? Meantime I have very cordially asked you to abandon that particular angle.

:D Frankie you is a bad mothafucka'!