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pr_capone
06-28-2011, 11:13 AM
Gonna give stats only.

Lifetime BA: .280
HR: 473
RBI: 1,512

2x All-Star
3x Silver Slugger
1x WS Ring
4th player in MLB history to hit at least 30 hr in 10 consecutive seasons
2000 ML Major League Player of the Year

eazyb81
06-28-2011, 11:14 AM
What position?

What era?

Was he just a consistent performer or did he have any peak years?

pr_capone
06-28-2011, 11:15 AM
What era?

Modern era, this player will have retired within the past 5 years.

As for his consistency... at least 30 hr in 10 consecutive seasons. Played 16 in all. In fact, he hit 38 hr his last full season before injury made him give up the game.

Buck
06-28-2011, 11:15 AM
Steroids: y/n?

L.A. Chieffan
06-28-2011, 11:18 AM
I know who it is, meh.

L.A. Chieffan
06-28-2011, 11:19 AM
Theres other guys who deserve it much more

CaliforniaChief
06-28-2011, 11:19 AM
I've always said that Bill Pecota was underrated.

In all seriousness, if he's a modern-era player, I would say no.

And I'm almost positive I know who this is.

pr_capone
06-28-2011, 11:19 AM
Steroids: y/n?

No big deal was made about him using Roids so I would guess no but WTF knows anymore.

DJ's left nut
06-28-2011, 11:20 AM
Modern era, this player will have retired within the past 5 years.

As for his consistency... at least 30 hr in 10 consecutive seasons. Played 16 in all. In fact, he hit 38 hr his last full season before injury made him give up the game.

Judging by the question you didn't answer, he was a DH.

In which case, no.

Stewie
06-28-2011, 11:20 AM
BA would hold him back IMO. Power numbers are good, but he's a borderline HOFamer. No gold gloves? Maybe some defensive prowess would put him over the top.

pr_capone
06-28-2011, 11:21 AM
Judging by the question you didn't answer, he was a DH.

In which case, no.

I didn't answer it because he edited after I had replied.

He did play in the field his entire career. No GG.

SPATCH
06-28-2011, 11:22 AM
Let's just let everyone in while we're at it...

L.A. Chieffan
06-28-2011, 11:22 AM
Judging by the question you didn't answer, he was a DH.

In which case, no.

First base mostly

MIAdragon
06-28-2011, 11:22 AM
not enough info.

alpha_omega
06-28-2011, 11:23 AM
I would say no.

pr_capone
06-28-2011, 11:24 AM
First base mostly

How did you know with so little info given? :D

pr_capone
06-28-2011, 11:25 AM
not enough info.

What else would you need?

eazyb81
06-28-2011, 11:25 AM
I cheated and looked up who it is.

Very solid player, but not HOF worthy given the juiced up era he played in. Doesn't really have any qualitative aspects that will help his cause (multiple WS rings, good with media, funny, NY Yankee, etc).

Dr. Facebook Fever
06-28-2011, 11:26 AM
I vote no on Carlos Delgado

Pitt Gorilla
06-28-2011, 11:26 AM
I don't think so.

DJ's left nut
06-28-2011, 11:26 AM
Okay, I know who it is.

Still no.

He played a hitters position. As a hitter, he had only 1 or 2 seasons where he was among the most feared in the league. He was only a 2x All-Star which means he was never even truly elite among his peers.

If he gets in, it would be a watered down Eddie Murray vote. Eddie Murray was a watered down vote in his own right (I don't think he belongs, personally).

His kind of production from a 3b or even a plus corner OFer (like a Matt Holliday type) might have gotten the nod from me (stress might), but at his position and given his peer group, I'd say no way.

pr_capone
06-28-2011, 11:27 AM
I cheated and looked up who it is.

Very solid player, but not HOF worthy given the juiced up era he played in. Doesn't really have any qualitative aspects that will help his cause (multiple WS rings, good with media, funny, NY Yankee, etc).

Very big humanitarian if we are counting things off the field.

SPATCH
06-28-2011, 11:28 AM
I vote no on Carlos Delgado

ahhhhh there it is... kept thinking Larry Walker for some reason...

SPATCH
06-28-2011, 11:29 AM
oh, and hell no

MIAdragon
06-28-2011, 11:32 AM
BA would hold him back IMO. Power numbers are good, but he's a borderline HOFamer. No gold gloves? Maybe some defensive prowess would put him over the top.


I dont think BA would be the problem here at all almost 1/2 of the hitters in HOF sport a 280 or less BA.

ChiefsCountry
06-28-2011, 11:35 AM
Nope but he was a pretty darn good player.

MIAdragon
06-28-2011, 11:36 AM
No big deal was made about him using Roids so I would guess no but WTF knows anymore.

He was definitely suspected to have had a seat on the needle express in his day.

Demonpenz
06-28-2011, 01:46 PM
we can open a "Meh" Wing for him and Bobby Abbrau

MIAdragon
06-28-2011, 01:50 PM
we can open a "Meh" Wing for him and Bobby Abbrau

add Tino Martinez

Demonpenz
06-28-2011, 01:55 PM
If Frank White doesn't even get a sniff then those guys should go in. Frank White was the best Second Baseman in the league for a decade.

blaise
06-28-2011, 01:57 PM
If he was a SS maybe, or had like 5 gold gloves.

MIAdragon
06-28-2011, 02:09 PM
If he was a SS maybe, or had like 5 gold gloves.

gold glove are such a joke.

DJ's left nut
06-28-2011, 02:42 PM
add Tino Martinez

Pft, Edgar deserves a nod before Tino.

Tino shouldn't get anywhere near the 'meh' wing. His sole qualification for any historical relevance is that he was a Yankee. He's not unlike Bernie Williams in this regard.

Bernie was Derek Jeter before Jeter. As overrated as Jeter is, at least he was a legitimate difference maker and a great player for a few years. Bernie was a nice hitter and a horrific defender for a few years. Hell, Damon will end up with a far better career when all is said and done.

And I guarantee you that Bernie somehow gets legitimate HOF consideration. I'm guessing he actually gets more votes than Edmonds somehow, despite being inferior to Hollywood in every facet of the game.

Buck
06-28-2011, 03:49 PM
When the fuck did Delgado win a ring? Was he on the Marlins one of those years?

MadMax
06-28-2011, 04:03 PM
If Frank White doesn't even get a sniff then those guys should go in. Frank White was the best Second Baseman in the league for a decade.

Aye Aye for the Frankster!!!!

MadMax
06-28-2011, 04:05 PM
David Howard LOL!!!!!!!

thurman merman
06-28-2011, 04:13 PM
If Frank White doesn't even get a sniff then those guys should go in. Frank White was the best Second Baseman in the league for a decade.

No way Frank White deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.

thurman merman
06-28-2011, 04:14 PM
Gonna give stats only.

Lifetime BA: .280
HR: 473
RBI: 1,512

2x All-Star
3x Silver Slugger
1x WS Ring
4th player in MLB history to hit at least 30 hr in 10 consecutive seasons
2000 ML Major League Player of the Year

Seems to me that if a guy is going to the Hall of Fame he should be in a hell of a lot more than 2 All-Star Games.

CoMoChief
06-28-2011, 04:20 PM
nope

SPATCH
06-28-2011, 04:25 PM
When the **** did Delgado win a ring? Was he on the Marlins one of those years?

Apparently was awarded a ring for the '93 Jays



...had to look that up

MIAdragon
06-28-2011, 04:40 PM
Seems to me that if a guy is going to the Hall of Fame he should be in a hell of a lot more than 2 All-Star Games.

A.S. games are as valuable as gold glove for this, about equal to a bag of dicks.

DanT
06-28-2011, 06:01 PM
2x All-Star? That's what sealed my vote. Hell, Ken Harvey was an All-Star, too.

thurman merman
06-29-2011, 04:25 PM
A.S. games are as valuable as gold glove for this, about equal to a bag of dicks.

It's the Hall of FAME. Therefore, if he was actually famous, he would be in the All-Star game just about every year.

For example, Derek Jeter is playing like a pile of turds this year, but will be in the All-Star game because he is famous.

MIAdragon
06-29-2011, 05:53 PM
It's the Hall of FAME. Therefore, if he was actually famous, he would be in the All-Star game just about every year.

For example, Derek Jeter is playing like a pile of turds this year, but will be in the All-Star game because he is famous.

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Halfcan
06-29-2011, 07:48 PM
Gonna give stats only.

Lifetime BA: .280
HR: 473
RBI: 1,512

2x All-Star
3x Silver Slugger
1x WS Ring
4th player in MLB history to hit at least 30 hr in 10 consecutive seasons
2000 ML Major League Player of the Year

Carlos Delgado was good but he really needed to hit the 500 homer mark-he would have made it then.

pr_capone
06-29-2011, 08:05 PM
Carlos Delgado was good but he really needed to hit the 500 homer mark-he would have made it then.

I think so too.

Dude smacked 38 in his last full season. Had his hip stayed healthy he would have ended his career w/500 easy.

I'm partial to the guy. I knew the guy growing up. Lived 6 houses down from him and played ball with him and his brother. I'd love to see the guy make the hall but if he does... it's gonna be way down the line.

RJ
06-29-2011, 09:36 PM
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Dude, that's great.

RJ
06-29-2011, 09:41 PM
The thread raises a great question, I think.

Delgado was a damn fine player but certainly not an elite player of his era, which is an important criteria for HOF consideration. But if the best players of his era were juiced up and he wasn't (?) then shouls his numbers be compared to those players?

Bonds, McGwire, Palmeiro, Sosa, etc.. All contemporaries that we might compare Delgado to.

Yeah, interesting question.

Infidel Goat
06-30-2011, 07:33 AM
The player who is actually his closest statistical counterpoint is Willie Stargell.

Pops was dominant in his era, though, and deserved to be in the HOF.

Delgado had too many contemporaries with equivalent numbers (Giambi, Bagwell, Caseco, McGriff). Sorry. No ticket for him...

Deberg_1990
06-30-2011, 08:06 AM
Johnny Damon might make it to 3000 hits...is he HoF worthy?

KC_Connection
06-30-2011, 08:43 AM
Delgado never really got the respect he deserved from the US media (much like Halladay until his move to Philly), but as a Jays fan who calls Delgado one of my all-time favorites, I'd still say no for the HOF. I'd love to see it, but I'm a small hall guy. He was a great hitter, but there were too many better hitters in the league during his prime (especially at the 1B position).

He still should have won the 2003 AL MVP over ARod, though. The only reason he didn't was because he played in Toronto.

KC_Connection
06-30-2011, 08:49 AM
ahhhhh there it is... kept thinking Larry Walker for some reason...
Larry Walker was a great player in all aspects of the game for about 15 years. I think I'd put him in.

Douche Baggins
06-30-2011, 08:52 AM
No, I would put in Juan Gonzalez.

eazyb81
06-30-2011, 09:07 AM
Johnny Damon might make it to 3000 hits...is he HoF worthy?

Damon is going to be a really interesting case. If he plays two more years he will get 3,000 hits, and everyone outside of Pete Rose that has hit 3,000 is in the Hall.

However, Damon was never considered a great player during his era. Even during his run with NY and Boston where he had a ton of media publicity, he only made the All Star game twice. He has never finished higher than 13th in the MVP voting. He's never really been considered a great fielder either.

If he gets in just because of reaching the mythical 3,000 hit club it will water down the Hall a bit.

eazyb81
06-30-2011, 09:10 AM
And further, if Damon gets elected to the Hall, it is very likely he will go in wearing a Royals hat (the player doesn't get to pick, and he played most of his years with the Royals).

Would the Royals retire his number?

MIAdragon
06-30-2011, 09:31 AM
And further, if Damon gets elected to the Hall, it is very likely he will go in wearing a Royals hat (the player doesn't get to pick, and he played most of his years with the Royals).

Would the Royals retire his number?

I thought it was based on where the player made the biggest impact, not where he played the most games.

MIAdragon
06-30-2011, 09:32 AM
Damon is going to be a really interesting case. If he plays two more years he will get 3,000 hits, and everyone outside of Pete Rose that has hit 3,000 is in the Hall.

However, Damon was never considered a great player during his era. Even during his run with NY and Boston where he had a ton of media publicity, he only made the All Star game twice. He has never finished higher than 13th in the MVP voting. He's never really been considered a great fielder either.

If he gets in just because of reaching the mythical 3,000 hit club it will water down the Hall a bit.


The guy had the worst arm I've EVER seen play.

eazyb81
06-30-2011, 09:40 AM
I thought it was based on where the player made the biggest impact, not where he played the most games.

That might be the official statement from the Hall, but it is almost always where the player played the most games.

In Damon's case, he played 4 years with Boston with 1 WS, and 4 years with the Yankees with 1 WS. How do you pick between those two? My guess is that the Hall splits the difference and just goes with KC (6 seasons). Damon said that was his guess too in an interview earlier this season.

MIAdragon
06-30-2011, 09:55 AM
That might be the official statement from the Hall, but it is almost always where the player played the most games.

In Damon's case, he played 4 years with Boston with 1 WS, and 4 years with the Yankees with 1 WS. How do you pick between those two? My guess is that the Hall splits the difference and just goes with KC (6 seasons). Damon said that was his guess too in an interview earlier this season.

He stats look better with the yankees, that would be my guess.

tooge
06-30-2011, 10:05 AM
From that era, if I were going on "guy I'd most want on my team" at first base, it would have been Will Clark. THAT, was a gamer.

MIAdragon
06-30-2011, 10:08 AM
From that era, if I were going on "guy I'd most want on my team" at first base, it would have been Will Clark. THAT, was a gamer.

I watched him play many times in that hell hole candlestick park.