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Taco John
06-28-2011, 08:03 PM
Terrible that our soldiers have to waste their lives on this...

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HonestChieffan
06-28-2011, 08:10 PM
(Fox News) ó Marine Lt. Gen. John Allen, nominated to replace Gen. David Petraeus as head of coalition forces in Afghanistan, acknowledged Tuesday that President Obamaís decision to draw down 10,000 troops by the end of this year and the rest of the surge forces by September 2012 was not one of the options proposed to the president by Gen. Petraeus.

The admission came during questioning from Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., during Allenís nomination hearing in front of the Senate Armed Services committee.

GRAHAM: The option that the country has chosen through President Obama is to withdraw 10,000 this year, all surge forces gone by September. Is it fair to say, General Allen, that was not one of the options presented to the president by General Petraeus?

ALLEN: It is a more aggressive option than that which was presented.

GRAHAM: My question is, was that a option?

ALLEN: It was not.

GRAHAM: So I just want the country to understand that this is not the Petraeus strategy any longer. The commander in chief has the perfect right to do what he did. I just hope that it hasnít undercut what I think could be a very successful outcome

Taco John
06-28-2011, 09:08 PM
>>From here out it belongs to Obama it seems


I don't buy that for a minute. Certainly, Obama has inherited the war, but Bush got us into this joke without a plan for victory, or even a semblance of a plan period.

durtyrute
06-28-2011, 09:20 PM
The plan was to kill those terrorist bastards and that is all that matters.

Direckshun
06-28-2011, 09:22 PM
I think the surge has provided us the perfect opportunity to say... we've done what we can, it's up to you now.

It's an astonishing credit to our brothers and sisters in combat that we were able to clear the southern lands of resistance, and that now it only exists in pockets and in remote locations.

That will almost certainly change when we pull out. You can't defeat the Taliban, they are an indigenous people of the land who live amongst the people like regular citizens. They are a natural consequence of the realities on the ground. Bringing them into the government is necessary to peace.

The biggest problem of all is Pakistan. Pakistan has effectively been infiltrated by Taliban sympathizers. Once we're out of Afghanistan, that will shift from something we can remotely react to, to something we have absolutely no prayer over.

mlyonsd
06-28-2011, 09:28 PM
>>From here out it belongs to Obama it seems


I don't buy that for a minute. Certainly, Obama has inherited the war, but Bush got us into this joke without a plan for victory, or even a semblance of a plan period.Rewind 10 years. What would the TJ plan of victory be?

bowener
06-28-2011, 09:31 PM
Rewind 10 years. What would the TJ plan of victory be?

The only winning plan is not to play...

Direckshun
06-28-2011, 09:32 PM
Rewind 10 years. What would the TJ plan of victory be?

One potential plan of victory, if I'm envisioning the libertarian point of view, would have been to understand this was a terrorist attack, and not the first strike of a war. So you beef up airplane security, and keep your military at base rather than starting a half trillion dollar war in the crotch of the world.

teedubya
06-28-2011, 09:36 PM
One potential plan of victory, if I'm envisioning the libertarian point of view, would have been to understand this was a terrorist attack, and not the first strike of a war. So you beef up airplane security, and keep your military at base rather than starting a half trillion dollar war in the crotch of the world.

Half a trillion? Shit, if it were only that low.

Taco John
06-28-2011, 10:08 PM
Rewind 10 years. What would the TJ plan of victory be?

The constitutional solution would have been the most efficient and effective one. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_of_marque)

More... (http://www.constitution.org/mil/lmr/lmr.htm)

And of course, that crazy person who has all the great ideas on effective and efficient government:

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Silock
06-28-2011, 11:39 PM
The only winning plan is not to play...

Someone call Matthew Broderick!

FishingRod
06-29-2011, 09:18 AM
I think the initial plan by was actually pretty smart. Afghanistan has a long history of wearing out occupiers yet it was un acceptable to the American people that we do nothing about the Taliban. So we used massive firepower and technical superiority to tip the balance of power to those perceived more friendly to the US while minimizing boots on the ground and minimizing the number of our people getting killed. We just lacked a coherent exit strategy. Had we just facilitated the regime change and pulled out promptly we would most likely ended up in the same place we eventually will with far less expense and loss of life.