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RNR
07-02-2011, 12:14 PM
Politics is all about spin and reinvention but this is a pretty interesting take over. I find it fascinating how a group of people started something and the Republicans fresh off an ass kicking by an American Idol candidate that has proved to be nothing short of an embarrassment just morphed into the "Tea Party" The talking heads really jump started this and the pant loads in DC filed in and play along. It falls in with the "I am a Reagan conservative" line. That catch phrase caught on about the same time. What seemed like a libertarian movement has now become a Republican movement~

BucEyedPea
07-02-2011, 01:09 PM
Well the Republicans are far from the Tea Party and that includes Bachman.

Warrior5
07-02-2011, 01:15 PM
Who is saying that it did?

BucEyedPea
07-02-2011, 01:26 PM
RedNeckRaider,
Here's an editorial on a traditional conservative website called American Conservative. I think he makes some very good claims that many of today's Republicans adopt in Reagan's name, under the mantle of NeoConservativism, chief vocal proponent being patteeu:


National Rifle Association President David Keene has noted the major distinction between Reagan’s foreign policy and the neoconservatives’ vision:

“Reagan resorted to military force far less often than many of those who came before him or who have since occupied the Oval Office. . . . After the [1983] assault on the Marine barracks in Lebanon, it was questioning the wisdom of U.S. involvement that led Reagan to withdraw our troops rather than dig in. He found no good strategic reason to give our regional enemies inviting U.S. targets. Can one imagine one of today’s neoconservative absolutists backing away from any fight anywhere?”

...

McCain now wonders what “Ronald Reagan would be saying today” because the neoconservatives have long been paraphrasing him while ignoring his actual record. Ask many conventional conservatives what a “Reagan Republican” is and you’ll likely hear something about “Peace through strength”—while they typically forget the peace part. Conservatives who admired George W. Bush’s foreign policy perceived Bush as being Reagan-esque. This is a fiction the neoconservatives have steadily encouraged—but it is still fiction. Explained former Reagan Senior Adviser Patrick J. Buchanan:

“Would Ronald Reagan have invaded Iraq? Would he have declared a doctrine of preventive war to keep any rival nation from rising to where it might challenge us? Would he have crusaded for ‘world democratic revolution’? Was Reagan the first neoconservative? This claim has been entered in the wake of his death. Yet, it seems bogus, a patent forgery, a fabricated claim to the Reagan legacy, worked up in the same shop where they made the documents proving Saddam was buying up all the yellowcake in Niger.”


McCain now wonders what “Ronald Reagan would be saying today” because the neoconservatives have long been paraphrasing him while ignoring his actual record. Ask many conventional conservatives what a “Reagan Republican” is and you’ll likely hear something about “Peace through strength”—while they typically forget the peace part. Conservatives who admired George W. Bush’s foreign policy perceived Bush as being Reagan-esque. This is a fiction the neoconservatives have steadily encouraged—but it is still fiction. Explained former Reagan Senior Adviser Patrick J. Buchanan:

“Would Ronald Reagan have invaded Iraq? Would he have declared a doctrine of preventive war to keep any rival nation from rising to where it might challenge us? Would he have crusaded for ‘world democratic revolution’? Was Reagan the first neoconservative? This claim has been entered in the wake of his death. Yet, it seems bogus, a patent forgery, a fabricated claim to the Reagan legacy, worked up in the same shop where they made the documents proving Saddam was buying up all the yellowcake in Niger.”

Foreign Policy’s Peter Beinart has noted Reagan’s comparative reluctance to commit troops: “on the ultimate test of hawkdom—the willingness to send U.S. troops into harm’s way—Reagan was no bird of prey. He launched exactly one land war, against Grenada, whose army totaled 600 men. It lasted two days. And his only air war—the 1986 bombing of Libya—was even briefer.”

Beinart has also noted Reagan’s opinion of his neoconservative critics:

“(W)hen Secretary of State Alexander Haig suggested… bombing Cuba, the suggestion ‘scared the shit out of Ronald Reagan,’ according to White House aide Michael Deaver. Haig was marginalized, then resigned, and Reagan never seriously considered sending U.S. troops south of the border, despite demands from (neo)conservative intellectuals… ‘Those sons of bitches won’t be happy until we have 25,000 troops in Managua,’ Reagan told chief of staff Kenneth Duberstein near the end of his presidency, ‘and I’m not going to do it.”

There is Reagan the myth; crafted by neocon worship and manipulation, and then there is Reagan the man, who helped end the Cold War with far less military intervention than what neoconservatives demand today.

Author Michael Schaller noted in his 1992 book Reckoning with Reagan that “When Reagan retired, 72% of Americans voiced strong approval for his handling of foreign policy.” Today, 72% of Americans now believe their country does too much around the world.

When John McCain wonders what “Reagan would be saying today” the Senator implies the late president would agree with him. But his actual record suggests that Ronald Reagan would be in sync—as usual—with the bulk of his fellow Americans.

Oh yeah, those quotes, distilled from a few paragraphs in RR's autobiography are sooooooooo fabricated—NOT! Just like most Rs are Tea Partiers—NOT.
http://www.amconmag.com/blog/2011/06/28/ronald-reagan-isolationist/

notorious
07-02-2011, 01:29 PM
The Tea Party people I know are tired of both sides bullshit.

RNR
07-02-2011, 01:46 PM
Who is saying that it did?

Just about everyone from the right. I am surprised you have not heard this and some what doubtful you have not~

stevieray
07-02-2011, 01:58 PM
The Tea Party people I know are tired of both sides bullshit.same here...it isn't about party..it's about accountability and responsibility.

Warrior5
07-02-2011, 02:21 PM
Just about everyone from the right. I am surprised you have not heard this and some what doubtful you have not~,

I don't understand what the "doubtful" comment is about...

If anything, the Tea Party has caused fractures in the Republican Party. While sharing a few common values, Tea Partiers (like many others have stated in this thread) are fed up with establishment GOPers who have made politics a profession instead of public service.

Since I don't listen to "everyone from the right", I again ask for some sources that assert this. How about just one. I'll even say "please".

RNR
07-02-2011, 02:40 PM
,

I don't understand what the "doubtful" comment is about...

If anything, the Tea Party has caused fractures in the Republican Party. While sharing a few common values, Tea Partiers (like many others have stated in this thread) are fed up with establishment GOPers who have made politics a profession instead of public service.

Since I don't listen to "everyone from the right", I again ask for some sources that assert this. How about just one. I'll even say "please".

We are good 5 and you should know I respect you. What I mean is FOX mainly and talk radio. The right as a whole has been moving to this camp. The mid term success was credited to the tea party~

Okie_Apparition
07-02-2011, 02:56 PM
I thought the Republicans just made the Tea Party their doorknob. Grabbed the balance the budget movement & then screwed them by cutting taxes on the top 2-3%. That should have been used to lower the deficit. Which I thought was their end all be all.

Bewbies
07-02-2011, 03:21 PM
same here...it isn't about party..it's about accountability and responsibility.

Bingo.

Chiefshrink
07-02-2011, 04:39 PM
It's about getting back to the adherence and protection of the Constitution which has been abused by both Dems and RINOs. George Washington was never in favor of a 2 party system for these very reasons we are fighting against each other today. Washington wanted honorable men who had the country/Constitution's best interest at heart at "all times" thus true freedom/liberty would be defended and protected at all times regardless of political leanings. But Jeffereson/Franklin both said it would be very difficult "to keep these freedoms" once it was discovered "men could just vote themselves $$" which sinful man would always fall to if God were not honored.

Bottom line: The Founders realized and knew that man can only rule and govern himself in true freedom and liberty if God is worshipped and is at the center of man's heart. But as soon God is pushed out of the way and mocked then man's sinful selfish heart will lead to tyranny. And alot of politicians try to play both sides of this coin and why we are in the condition we are in period.

The Mad Crapper
07-02-2011, 04:45 PM
Bottom line: The Founders realized and knew that man can only rule and govern himself in true freedom and liberty if God is worshipped and is at the center of man's heart. But as soon God is pushed out of the way and mocked then man's sinful selfish heart will lead to tyranny.

http://www.iaza.com/work/110703C/iaza15144992876400.jpg

BucEyedPea
07-02-2011, 05:01 PM
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."—Hermann Goering, Nazi, at the Nuremberg trial

Ugly Duck
07-02-2011, 06:29 PM
The TeaBaggers are just Republis that are so embarrassed that they crapped the sheets during the Bush admin that they now are pretending "That wasn't us! We didn't drive the country over the cliff!" The Teapublican solution? Same policies that they had during the Bush years.....

The Mad Crapper
07-02-2011, 06:32 PM
http://www.iaza.com/work/110703C/iaza15144944500000.jpg

patteeu
07-02-2011, 08:02 PM
IMO, the so-called tea party has always been a form of Republican/conservative populism. It's not surprising that the center of gravity of the party shifts toward a powerful popular movement within the party's ideological range.

If the tea party was as radical as it's critics and some of it's RonPaulFanatics like to say it is, it wouldn't have had nearly as much influence because it would be tiny.

Chocolate Hog
07-02-2011, 08:39 PM
The Tea-Party for the most part is just a re-branding label done by Republicans because their ideas of nation building and "compassionate" conservatism are outdated.

Ugly Duck
07-02-2011, 09:17 PM
http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/7/S/b/2/gop-economy-sb0212d.jpg

http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/7/4/c/2/gop-economy.jpg

craneref
07-02-2011, 09:32 PM
The TeaBaggers are just Republis that are so embarrassed that they crapped the sheets during the Bush admin that they now are pretending "That wasn't us! We didn't drive the country over the cliff!" The Teapublican solution? Same policies that they had during the Bush years.....

Except for spendignthe money that AMerica DOESN'Thave at an unprecedented rate. what exactly has Prsident Obama done differently? He has kept nearly ALL of President Bush's policies in place, especially when it comes to foreign afairs. So exaclty how much does the Libeeral Left pay you to keep throwing hteir mantra of "Teabaggers around?" Show a litttle class and accept the fact that a big part of AMerica doesn't thin that America should be run by a government with Socialist views. the government DOES NOT know better than the American people. Before you throw the "He inherited" this mess around, remember that inherit means that you did nothing to get what you got, when you run for office, saying you have change and know a way to fix things, then you can't say that you inherited a problem. President Obama ran for office, using more money than any President in history to get elected (After agreeing not to use private funds, then changing his mind when he saw the amount of money Soros had for him) and then has failed to deliver. This is what happens when you hire inexperience that simply fits the visual mode of what you want. Maybe it is time to listen to the people? When the people elected Prsident Obama you were praising them for knowing what was best for the country, but now that you don't agree with the people you call them derogatory names!

BucEyedPea
07-02-2011, 11:05 PM
The TeaBaggers are just Republis that are so embarrassed that they crapped the sheets during the Bush admin that they now are pretending "That wasn't us! We didn't drive the country over the cliff!" The Teapublican solution? Same policies that they had during the Bush years.....

This is nonsense even for you. You don't understand the origins of the Tea Party—at all. They are not the same policies of Bush either. That's only for the pretenders who hijacked the Tea Party.

patteeu
07-03-2011, 07:23 AM
This nonsense even for you. You don't understanding the origins of the Tea Party—at all. They are not the same policies of Bush either. That's only for the pretenders who hijacked the Tea Party.

The Ron Paul tea party that you fondly remember is still meeting in the same phone booth so you ought to stop by sometime and catch up on old times. Bring doughnuts. Half a dozen should do.

notorious
07-03-2011, 08:21 AM
The TeaBaggers are just Republis that are so embarrassed that they crapped the sheets during the Bush admin that they now are pretending "That wasn't us! We didn't drive the country over the cliff!" The Teapublican solution? Same policies that they had during the Bush years.....

Ugly, you are normally OK, but this is the stupidest post I have read in DC for a month, and that is saying something.


The Teaparty HATES Bush and his policies. :facepalm:

patteeu
07-03-2011, 09:04 AM
Ugly, you are normally OK, but this is the stupidest post I have read in DC for a month, and that is saying something.


The Teaparty HATES Bush and his policies. :facepalm:

I think that last comment overstates and generalizes too much, and while it was overwhelmingly stupid, I'm not sure that post is even the high water mark for Ugly Duck stupid. :)

Chocolate Hog
07-03-2011, 11:04 AM
The Ron Paul tea party that you fondly remember is still meeting in the same phone booth so you ought to stop by sometime and catch up on old times. Bring doughnuts. Half a dozen should do.

The funny thing about you trying to marginalize Ron Paul's positions are that the 2012 Republicans and the Tea Party have stolen his rhetoric. ROFL Mitt Romney talking about letting the Afghans fight for their own selves ROFL Newt Gingrich talking about auditing the fed and the gold standard and of course Michelle Bachmann has sang high praise of Ron Paul for awhile now.

BucEyedPea
07-03-2011, 12:35 PM
The funny thing about you trying to marginalize Ron Paul's positions are that the 2012 Republicans and the Tea Party have stolen his rhetoric. ROFL Mitt Romney talking about letting the Afghans fight for their own selves ROFL Newt Gingrich talking about auditing the fed and the gold standard and of course Michelle Bachmann has sang high praise of Ron Paul for awhile now.

Michelle also said she reads Mises on the beach, although I'm sure this was merely a talking point.
That and polls show Paul is the one who trails the least behind Obama of the other R candidates.

patteeu
07-03-2011, 01:18 PM
The funny thing about you trying to marginalize Ron Paul's positions are that the 2012 Republicans and the Tea Party have stolen his rhetoric. ROFL Mitt Romney talking about letting the Afghans fight for their own selves ROFL Newt Gingrich talking about auditing the fed and the gold standard and of course Michelle Bachmann has sang high praise of Ron Paul for awhile now.

Nonetheless, you and BEP will still be complaining about RINOs no matter which Republican wins the nomination because you're so far out on the fringe that you've eliminated yourselves from relevance.

BigChiefFan
07-03-2011, 01:29 PM
The funny thing about you trying to marginalize Ron Paul's positions are that the 2012 Republicans and the Tea Party have stolen his rhetoric. ROFL Mitt Romney talking about letting the Afghans fight for their own selves ROFL Newt Gingrich talking about auditing the fed and the gold standard and of course Michelle Bachmann has sang high praise of Ron Paul for awhile now. Excellent point and one that the out of touch Rino's have tried to hijack as their own idealogies. Most of the politicans could give two shits about the people, that's why it's entertaining to see them scramble as if they will actually change their good 'ol boy network. The majority of our politicians are snake oil salesman.

Chocolate Hog
07-03-2011, 04:04 PM
Nonetheless, you and BEP will still be complaining about RINOs no matter which Republican wins the nomination because you're so far out on the fringe that you've eliminated yourselves from relevance.

I'm fringe because I don't agree with you? ROFL

Please tell me some of my fringe positions. Go ahead i'll wait.

patteeu
07-03-2011, 04:07 PM
I'm fringe because I don't agree with you? ROFL

Please tell me some of my fringe positions. Go ahead i'll wait.

You're fringe not because you don't agree with me, but because you agree with so few.

Chocolate Hog
07-03-2011, 04:09 PM
You're fringe not because you don't agree with me, but because you agree with so few.

ROFL Where the hell did you get that? So nobody agrees with me on me with cutting spending in order to lower the income tax? ROFL

SNR
07-03-2011, 04:10 PM
The Ron Paul tea party that you fondly remember is still meeting in the same phone booth so you ought to stop by sometime and catch up on old times. Bring doughnuts. Half a dozen should do.The Ron Paul Tea Party was political populism at its finest. Grass roots action.

If Ron Paul didn't invent the Tea Party, then tell me who did. Where did these ideas come from in the Republican party?

Chocolate Hog
07-03-2011, 04:10 PM
The Ron Paul Tea Party was political populism at its finest. Grass roots action.

If Ron Paul didn't invent the Tea Party, then tell me who did. Where did these ideas come from in the Republican party?

He's going to say the guy on CNBC that nobody knows about.

SNR
07-03-2011, 04:21 PM
He's going to say the guy on CNBC that nobody knows about.Larry Kudlow? Or the Mad Money guy?

Chocolate Hog
07-03-2011, 04:24 PM
Larry Kudlow? Or the Mad Money guy?

Sentelli or something like that. The guy who likely voted for McCain then bitched on the Chicago Stock exchange floor saying "We need a tea party!"

patteeu
07-03-2011, 04:25 PM
The Ron Paul Tea Party was political populism at its finest. Grass roots action.

If Ron Paul didn't invent the Tea Party, then tell me who did. Where did these ideas come from in the Republican party?

Come on. You don't really believe Ron Paul is the first Republican to favor small government or even his isolationist FP do you?

The tea party took off after a CNBC commentator went off on a rant on the air on some trading floor somewhere and got an enthusiastic response from onlookers. Before that, like I mentioned, the Ron Paul tea parties were the size of a crowd you might see at a Skid Row concert these days.

The Mad Crapper
07-03-2011, 04:26 PM
the Ron Paul tea parties were the size of a crowd you might see at a Skid Row concert these days.

ROFL

patteeu
07-03-2011, 04:27 PM
He's going to say the guy on CNBC that nobody knows about.

Good job, billay. I accept your denial as confirmation that you're aware of how this thing really got rolling.

Chocolate Hog
07-03-2011, 04:34 PM
Good job, billay. I accept your denial as confirmation that you're aware of how this thing really got rolling.

No it's because you're transparent as fuck and you dodged my question. I wonder why they call Ron Paul the god father of the Tea party?

Durrrrrr

http://www.ronpaul.com/images/ron-paul-tea-party-2007.jpg

Chocolate Hog
07-03-2011, 04:34 PM
Patteau fails at simple math.

Dec 16 2007 > Feb 19 2009

Chocolate Hog
07-03-2011, 04:36 PM
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/06/15/bachmann-pawlenty-gingrich-join-gold-standard-tour

" Bachmann, Pawlenty, Gingrich join Gold Standard tour"


Who was talking about the gold standard again?

SNR
07-03-2011, 04:40 PM
Come on. You don't really believe Ron Paul is the first Republican to favor small government or even his isolationist FP do you?I never said that, did I? Paul's stances aren't the issue. It's how he raised his money and delivered his message.
The tea party took off after a CNBC commentator went off on a rant on the air on some trading floor somewhere and got an enthusiastic response from onlookers. Before that, like I mentioned, the Ron Paul tea parties were the size of a crowd you might see at a Skid Row concert these days.
Talk about delusional. You don't really believe that this asshole on CNBC was the first guy on TV to talk about this shit, do you?

Sheesh. And you claim Paulites have a messed up view of history.

The Tea Party really got going when Glenn Beck held one or two Washington DC rallies. But Beck didn't invent it. As early as 2007 Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, and John McCain saw Ron Paul's success with money bombs among avid supporters. They tried doing their own, but failed miserably. Mostly because none of them knew how to properly outline a positive message that couldn't be slimmed down to "BUHHHHRRR THE TERRORISTS ARE OUT THERE!"

All of Ron Paul's qualities that you admire are in the Tea Party. What I'm asking you is who even breathed a semblance of a conservative philosophy before Ron Paul started debating in 2007? I'm sure you have to go back to before 2004. Paul WAS the first Republican to dust off the philosophy and take it out of the closet. From there it was kicked upstairs until it reached Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.

SNR
07-03-2011, 04:41 PM
Or what billay said. That too.

Chocolate Hog
07-03-2011, 04:43 PM
Patteau isn't going to concede the point SNR. He will just continue to talk about what little support Paul has while he helps nominate Republicans who lose in electoral landslides.

BucEyedPea
07-03-2011, 04:49 PM
Patteau isn't going to concede the point SNR. He will just continue to talk about what little support Paul has while he helps nominate Republicans who lose in electoral landslides.

Meanwhile, it was conservative Republicans who defeated the anti-groping TSA bill in Texas while the continue to mouth being anti-BIG govt.

The Mad Crapper
07-03-2011, 04:54 PM
I'm just curious, can somebody list all of Ron Paul's accomplishments that have made anybody's life better? An accomplishment where someone somewhere in America wakes up every day and says "Thank you! Thank you Ron Paul!"

Chocolate Hog
07-03-2011, 04:56 PM
I'm just curious, can somebody list all of Ron Paul's accomplishments that have made anybody's life better? An accomplishment where someone somewhere in America wakes up every day and says "Thank you! Thank you Ron Paul!"

You're suggesting that we need government officials to make our lives better? ROFL. Maybe yours but certainly not mine. I can name 2 things that would make my life better if Paul were elected. 1. Lower taxes 2. Not having to pay into a system that won't be there when it's time for me to retire.

The Mad Crapper
07-03-2011, 04:58 PM
You're suggesting that we need government officials to make our lives better?

Nope. But I do know they are powerful enough to make our lives worse.

ROFL. Maybe yours but certainly not mine. I can name 2 things that would make my life better if Paul were elected. 1. Lower taxes 2. Not having to pay into a system that won't be there when it's time for me to retire.

:drool:

RNR
07-03-2011, 05:02 PM
Nope. But I do know they are powerful enough to make our lives worse.



:drool:

That is a fact~

Chocolate Hog
07-03-2011, 05:05 PM
Thats not what his question was insisting.

The Mad Crapper
07-03-2011, 05:06 PM
Thats not what his question was insisting.

So Ron Paul has no accomplishments. Thank you.

Chocolate Hog
07-03-2011, 05:08 PM
The Mad Crapper anti-Obama guy needs government to make his life better. Hilarious.

RNR
07-03-2011, 05:10 PM
The Mad Crapper anti-Obama guy needs government to make his life better. Hilarious.

Speaking for myself I need a shit ton less government in my life~

The Mad Crapper
07-03-2011, 05:12 PM
The Mad Crapper anti-Obama guy needs government to make his life better. Hilarious.

Nope. Not what I said. But go ahead and run with it if thats all you got is an attack on me because you can't name one Ron Paul accomplishment.

Chocolate Hog
07-03-2011, 05:13 PM
Speaking for myself I need a shit ton less government in my life~

Me too.

SNR
07-03-2011, 05:26 PM
So Ron Paul has no accomplishments. Thank you.
His audit the fed legislation was taken, edited and stripped of meaning, and then added into another bill, which was then passed into law. Does that count?

I was unaware that the duty of every US Congressman is to get a sponsored bill signed into law. It's not rare for representatives to go entire careers without something of theirs getting passed

patteeu
07-03-2011, 05:28 PM
I never said that, did I? Paul's stances aren't the issue. It's how he raised his money and delivered his message.

It looked to me like you did when you said that Ron Paul invented the tea party. How was I supposed to know that you were talking about irrelevant topics like campaign finance innovation instead of what everyone else means when they talk about the "tea party", i.e. the movement's ideology and it's relevance?

Talk about delusional. You don't really believe that this asshole on CNBC was the first guy on TV to talk about this shit, do you?

Sheesh. And you claim Paulites have a messed up view of history.

The Tea Party really got going when Glenn Beck held one or two Washington DC rallies. But Beck didn't invent it. As early as 2007 Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, and John McCain saw Ron Paul's success with money bombs among avid supporters. They tried doing their own, but failed miserably. Mostly because none of them knew how to properly outline a positive message that couldn't be slimmed down to "BUHHHHRRR THE TERRORISTS ARE OUT THERE!"

All of Ron Paul's qualities that you admire are in the Tea Party. What I'm asking you is who even breathed a semblance of a conservative philosophy before Ron Paul started debating in 2007? I'm sure you have to go back to before 2004. Paul WAS the first Republican to dust off the philosophy and take it out of the closet. From there it was kicked upstairs until it reached Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.

Do you live inside an aluminum foil lined hole in the ground? Talk radio has been filled with conservative voices for years, including the period between 2004 and 2007. National Review, Heritage, CPAC, and countless other publications, think tanks, and activist organizations have also carried the conservative torch. No one needed to dust off the philosophy. It was not a lack of people breathing the conservative philosophy that we've experienced, it was a lack of popular acceptance of that philosophy. People wanted (and I suspect still want) big government. To the extent that that has changed, it has a lot more to do with the economic downturn and the federal government's response to it than it does with Ron Paul.

Glenn Beck did a lot to grow the tea party movement (as did Sarah Palin) so I won't fault you for mentioning him, but it was this guy's rant that lit the powder keg and transformed the tea party concept from Ron Paul's cute little campaign gimmick into a national movement.

http://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/santellirant-300x225.jpg

The Mad Crapper
07-03-2011, 05:28 PM
His audit the fed legislation was taken, edited and stripped of meaning, and then added into another bill, which was then passed into law. Does that count?

That's it? That's all you got? And he's been there... what, twenty years now? Who pays his salary?

patteeu
07-03-2011, 05:31 PM
So Ron Paul has no accomplishments. Thank you.

Here's an accomplishment. He's turned public service into a pretty nice family business.

The Mad Crapper
07-03-2011, 05:34 PM
Here's an accomplishment. He's turned public service into a pretty nice family business.

Must be nice.

|Zach|
07-03-2011, 05:40 PM
Nope. But I do know they are powerful enough to make our lives worse.



:drool:

Not everyone uses them as an excuse for their miserable existence. But it seems like that has been a solid path for you.

The Mad Crapper
07-03-2011, 05:43 PM
Glenn Beck did a lot to grow the tea party movement (as did Sarah Palin) so I won't fault you for mentioning him, but it was this guy's rant that lit the powder keg and transformed the tea party concept from Ron Paul's cute little campaign gimmick into a national movement.

http://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/santellirant-300x225.jpg

No doubt. Anybody who says otherwise is lying.

SNR
07-03-2011, 05:51 PM
It looked to me like you did when you said that Ron Paul invented the tea party. How was I supposed to know that you were talking about irrelevant topics like campaign finance innovation instead of what everyone else means when they talk about the "tea party", i.e. the movement's ideology and it's relevance?You said:

"Come on. You don't really believe Ron Paul is the first Republican to favor small government or even his isolationist FP do you?"

The way you said it makes it sound like I think America was always like this, and thankfully Ron Paul came along one day, decided to run for president, and instantly put into play a small government philosophy. We both have enough respect for each other to know that that's not what you meant. And you know that I'm smarter than that.

Answer me this- True or false: Ron Paul is a Tea Party Republican.

Do you live inside an aluminum foil lined hole in the ground? Talk radio has been filled with conservative voices for years, including the period between 2004 and 2007. National Review, Heritage, CPAC, and countless other publications, think tanks, and activist organizations have also carried the conservative torch. No one needed to dust off the philosophy. It was not a lack of people breathing the conservative philosophy that we've experienced, it was a lack of popular acceptance of that philosophy. People wanted (and I suspect still want) big government. To the extent that that has changed, it has a lot more to do with the economic downturn and the federal government's response to it than it does with Ron Paul.

Glenn Beck did a lot to grow the tea party movement (as did Sarah Palin) so I won't fault you for mentioning him, but it was this guy's rant that lit the powder keg and transformed the tea party concept from Ron Paul's cute little campaign gimmick into a national movement.

http://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/santellirant-300x225.jpgNobody knows who the fuck this clown is. When history books are written what will they say about how this movement started? "Joe the Retard Rapist, a nameless Wall Street cocksucker went on CNBC one day and gave birth to the Tea Party movement and forced the Republican party to consider actual small government."

How many people saw that rant? How many of the people who did see it said, "This guy's right! I need to get involved so small government can thrive!"

It's convenient to see that the Tea Party started building steam around the time that this guy said his whopping 2 minutes on TV. But they don't equal each other at all.

SNR
07-03-2011, 05:57 PM
That's it? That's all you got? And he's been there... what, twenty years now? Who pays his salary?
If you think all he does is sit on his ass and vote no to everything, try searching a database to see all the bills he's written

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billsearch.xpd?sponsor=400311

He's definitely a busy guy.

The Mad Crapper
07-03-2011, 05:57 PM
Nobody knows who the **** this clown is.

ROFL

Dude, that guy was the Mick Jagger of the tea party that day, and everybody knows who he is. I'm not a provincial snob, but if you lived in the NYC area, IT WAS PALPABLE.

He's the catalyst. Why would you want to throw him under the bus?

The Mad Crapper
07-03-2011, 05:59 PM
If you think all he does is sit on his ass and vote no to everything, try searching a database to see all the bills he's written

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billsearch.xpd?sponsor=400311

He's definitely a busy guy.

I could do the same exact thing with any other twenty year politician in DC. That doesn't tell me anything. And it certainly doesn't qualify him to be president.

Deal with reality--- not much on the menu, a chicago commie or a new england liberal.

Choose.

SNR
07-03-2011, 06:00 PM
ROFL

Dude, that guy was the Mick Jagger of the tea party that day, and everybody knows who he is. I'm not a provincial snob, but if you lived in the NYC area, IT WAS PALPABLE.

He's the catalyst. Why would you want to throw him under the bus?What's his name? What's his job? How many times has he been on TV? Is he a regular contributor? How many Tea Party voters know who he is? How many voters PERIOD know who he is?

He rocked the internet for a couple of days. Way more people know who Ron Paul is and would turn to him if they thought conservatism needed a new message

SNR
07-03-2011, 06:02 PM
My 80 year old neighbor loves Sarah Palin and the Tea Party. I'll ask him if he knows "the CNBC guy who went on a rant that one time".

I'll bet not even 10% of Tea Party voters have seen his 5 glorious minutes on TV

The Mad Crapper
07-03-2011, 06:07 PM
What's his name? What's his job? How many times has he been on TV? Is he a regular contributor? How many Tea Party voters know who he is? How many voters PERIOD know who he is?

He rocked the internet for a couple of days. Way more people know who Ron Paul is and would turn to him if they thought conservatism needed a new message

Rick Santelli

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Santelli

Be honest. You dig Ron Paul for his anti-Israel stance, right?

SNR
07-03-2011, 06:08 PM
I could do the same exact thing with any other twenty year politician in DC. That doesn't tell me anything. And it certainly doesn't qualify him to be president. It doesn't not qualify him to be president, either.

When you put philosophy and ideas over reputation, that's what happens. Ron Paul's libertarian streak (if that's what you want to call it) was very very alone for 20 years. Rather than sponsor the unicorns and rainbows bills that all the other heroic and presidential Republican congressman sponsored, Ron Paul said, "fuck it. I'm not going to write a bill just to get it passed."

Plus, this Audit the Fed charge he's been leading is recent, but it IS significant. It's almost like a kind of movement has blossomed in the Republican party lately that suddenly cares about monetary policy.

Hmmm... what could that be?

The Mad Crapper
07-03-2011, 06:10 PM
I'll bet not even 10% of Tea Party voters have seen his 5 glorious minutes on TV

I'm just curious, do you have the logistical capability of actually conducting that poll?

Because if you did, I bet not even 10% of American voters know who Ron Paul is. Not saying that makes it right, hell 47% don't know the Declaration of Independence was written in 1776.

SNR
07-03-2011, 06:11 PM
Rick Santelli

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Santelli

Be honest. You dig Ron Paul for his anti-Israel stance, right?I don't want to read about him. I would be interested if one of the polling industries ever made a "Do you know who Rick Santelli is?" poll. Not that they would ever do that, of course. Nobody knows who the fuck he is.

I dig Ron Paul for a lot of reasons. At first it was his message of taxes and anti-big government. Then I discovered his anti-drug war message. Then I discovered his foreign policy, and I liked that too. His stance of quit coddling Israel and let them fend for themselves (which they can do) is one I agree with, yes.

SNR
07-03-2011, 06:13 PM
I'm just curious, do you have the logistical capability of actually conducting that poll?

Because if you did, I bet not even 10% of American voters know who Ron Paul is. Not saying that makes it right, hell 47% don't know the Declaration of Independence was written in 1776.But Tea Party voters? These are informed and involved citizens. I think you and I can both agree that the Tea Party isn't for college kids to join with their friends so they can be cool, right?

So take those informed voters who are doing what they're doing for a reason. How many of them have seen Rick Santelli on TV?

The Mad Crapper
07-03-2011, 06:14 PM
It doesn't not qualify him to be president, either.

When you put philosophy and ideas over reputation, that's what happens.

Dude, talk is cheap. Anybody can talk. I want to see results. He's basically ridden out a twenty year career in some Texas district where he's a lock.

He's accomplished the same thing Maxine Waters has.

Is she qualified to be president? I'm sure there is a percentage of O-Bots who think she is, and I bet its the same percentage of voters on the right who think Ron Paul is.

Not putting the guy down, or saying he's a bad guy, but he's un-electable. Period.

The Mad Crapper
07-03-2011, 06:16 PM
His stance of quit coddling Israel and let them fend for themselves (which they can do) is one I agree with, yes.

Thank you.

Chocolate Hog
07-03-2011, 06:57 PM
Alright! If Patteau and the other troll are saying Paul is fringe then you know he's a good candidate.

Ugly Duck
07-03-2011, 07:08 PM
Ugly, you are normally OK, but this is the stupidest post I have read in DC for a month, and that is saying something. The Teaparty HATES Bush and his policies. :facepalm:

Sorry... I don't mean to be stupid. I just can't see any difference at all between what the Republis & the teabaggers are proposing. Sounds just like the same rightwing bumpersticker stuff getting repeated over & over by the both of 'em. Whats the difference?

notorious
07-03-2011, 11:31 PM
Sorry... I don't mean to be stupid. I just can't see any difference at all between what the Republis & the teabaggers are proposing. Sounds just like the same rightwing bumpersticker stuff getting repeated over & over by the both of 'em. Whats the difference?

Sorry about the insult.


It's true, the Pubs are trying to latch themselves to the latest craze. I am pissed about it, because I don't think that they truely believe it.


They are going to try to use it so that they are the next party in charge that gets to skirt around the law and make up shit to their liking.

Scumbag politics at it's best. There are only a handful that actually preached the word before it became popular, and the Pub Elites will bury them before they get a chance.

It's hopeless.

Mr. Kotter
07-03-2011, 11:44 PM
Sorry... I don't mean to be stupid. I just can't see any difference at all between what the Republis & the teabaggers are proposing. Sounds just like the same rightwing bumpersticker stuff getting repeated over & over by the both of 'em. Whats the difference?

Truth. As hard as it may be for RWNJs to take. Just sayin'.

RNR
07-04-2011, 07:38 AM
Sorry about the insult.


It's true, the Pubs are trying to latch themselves to the latest craze. I am pissed about it, because I don't think that they truely believe it.


They are going to try to use it so that they are the next party in charge that gets to skirt around the law and make up shit to their liking.

Scumbag politics at it's best. There are only a handful that actually preached the word before it became popular, and the Pub Elites will bury them before they get a chance.

It's hopeless.

This is my concern and I have said it is like a leopards changing their spots. Obama is an embarrassment and a total failure as a leader. He should be as beatable as W. was. The right has painted their self into a corner and might get this incompetent shitbag another term~

BucEyedPea
07-04-2011, 07:59 AM
The NCs fear Ron Paul the same way the left fears Palin. Why do you think a new R candidate keeps entering the race? To dilute support for Paul. Then when they enter they actually steal the man's lines.

Ugly Duck
07-04-2011, 09:52 AM
the left fears Palin.

The only fear the left has about Palin is that her approval rating is so low she'll never be able to join the race. Best thing that can happen for lefties is the joke continuing on:

"The new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll has some bad news for Sarah Palin. Thanks to Paul Revere, her orchestrated publicity tour over Memorial Day weekend managed to lower her approval rating to 24%."

http://www.politicususa.com/wp-content/uploads/Screen-shot-2010-10-16-at-5.09.45-PM2-286x300.png