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The Mad Crapper
07-03-2011, 05:40 PM
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BucEyedPea
07-03-2011, 05:45 PM
Unfortunately, the reason for the loss of those manufacturing jobs, are also due to policies that Mitt supports as a fake free-market man. Of course, Obama makes excerbates those policies.

Chocolate Hog
07-03-2011, 05:46 PM
That was an awesome ad.

The Mad Crapper
07-03-2011, 05:49 PM
That was an awesome ad.

Romney has the money so ad's like that will run in every swing state now until november 2012.

:thumb:

Chocolate Hog
07-03-2011, 05:54 PM
Obama also has the money to run ads about Romney. It's unfortunate that Obama is a likeable guy and Romney is fake. It will cost Republicans the election.

The Mad Crapper
07-03-2011, 05:57 PM
Obama also has the money to run ads about Romney. It's unfortunate that Obama is a likeable guy and Romney is fake. It will cost Republicans the election.

ROFL

Obama isn't likeable, he's a dick.

Psyko Tek
07-03-2011, 06:02 PM
:thumb:

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I was employed to tear out 2 semiconductor fabs to send to china during W, one in allentown one in reading,

problem ain't the leader it's that our laws allow the other countries to under cut us
\and our businesses will do anything for monay

The Mad Crapper
07-03-2011, 06:05 PM
problem ain't the leader it's that our laws allow the other countries to under cut us


Yeah, because leaders ie presidents never have to sign off on legislation. :drool:

Chocolate Hog
07-03-2011, 06:07 PM
Tom can you show us the legislation the president veto'd that would prevent countries from undercutting us?

go bowe
07-03-2011, 09:45 PM
Tom can you show us the legislation the president veto'd that would prevent countries from undercutting us?

tom?

who you talkin too?

BucEyedPea
07-03-2011, 11:28 PM
Romney has the money so ad's like that will run in every swing state now until november 2012.

:thumb:

He had the money last time too. Yet, McCain popped out when everyone had stuck a fork in him.

The Mad Crapper
07-04-2011, 11:08 AM
He had the money last time too. Yet, McCain popped out when everyone had stuck a fork in him.

I think Huckabee tag-teaming with McAmnesty had alot to do with that. That and the unfortunate stupidity that some states allow non-R's to vote in R primaries.

Look, we have to bounce the chicago commie out of power, and if the only guy who can do it is a new england liberal, then I'll live to fight another day.

If Obuttocks gets another 4 years, you can stick a fork in this country. That is no hyperbole or fear mongering that is just a fact.

That guy is going to fuck this country up if he gets re-elected. You haven't seen nothing yet.

Chiefshrink
07-04-2011, 11:46 AM
C'mon Crapper my man don't fall for RINO Romney. Yes it's a great ad but I assure you Romney is no "conservative" and it is only conservative policy that will save this country from "surfdom".

The Mad Crapper
07-04-2011, 12:07 PM
C'mon Crapper my man don't fall for RINO Romney. Yes it's a great ad but I assure you Romney is no "conservative" and it is only conservative policy that will save this country from "surfdom".

I'm not falling for him. The primaries will ultimately decide. And he'll be the last man standing.

RedNeckRaider
07-04-2011, 12:11 PM
I'm not falling for him. The primaries will ultimately decide. And he'll be the last man standing.

And that is truly sad if true~

RedNeckRaider
07-04-2011, 12:14 PM
Obama also has the money to run ads about Romney. It's unfortunate that Obama is a likeable guy and Romney is fake. It will cost Republicans the election.

When speaking of Barry to call someone else fake is laughable...and I am damn sure not a Mitt fan~

The Mad Crapper
07-04-2011, 12:19 PM
And that is truly sad if true~

There are states where you don't have to be a registered republican to vote in a republican primary. This is a huge problem, and quite frankly is assinine that the republican party would allow non-republicans to nominate the parties candidate for president.

But that's reality.

Chiefshrink
07-04-2011, 12:21 PM
When speaking of Barry to call someone else fake is laughable...and I am damn sure not a Mitt fan~

:thumb:

I can assure Obama is a Mitt fan and would love nothing more than to run against Romney because then Romney will not be able to throw O'care in his face.

But what Obama can't survive is running against a true conservative. Yes the Marxist Media will try to pick our candidate for us as usual and they would love nothing more than a Romney or a Huntsman type RINO to run against.:thumb:

Chiefshrink
07-04-2011, 12:27 PM
I'm not falling for him. The primaries will ultimately decide. And he'll be the last man standing.

Perry will be. Let's bet some casino cash:thumb: The last casino cash bet I made I lost so your odds are not to bad.

How much???

The Mad Crapper
07-04-2011, 12:34 PM
Perry will be. Let's bet some casino cash:thumb: The last casino cash bet I made I lost so your odds are not to bad.

How much???

All of it!

PBJ

Chiefshrink
07-04-2011, 02:40 PM
All of it!

PBJ

You are ON MY MAN!!!!!!:bravo:

patteeu
07-04-2011, 03:48 PM
C'mon Crapper my man don't fall for RINO Romney. Yes it's a great ad but I assure you Romney is no "conservative" and it is only conservative policy that will save this country from "surfdom".

Is our country in danger of becoming a nation of beach bums?

VAChief
07-04-2011, 03:54 PM
ROFLIs our country in danger of becoming a nation of beach bums?

Saul Good
07-04-2011, 03:55 PM
:thumb:

I can assure Obama is a Mitt fan and would love nothing more than to run against Romney because then Romney will not be able to throw O'care in his face.

If Romney's smart, he will do just that. If he were to just say, "We tried this in Mass, and it didn't work. I understand the desire for universal health care, but it doesn't compare to a free market system", he would completely cripple Obama.

Saul Good
07-04-2011, 03:56 PM
Also, I'm a staunch conservative, and I'm fine with Romney. He's not the most conservative guy in the world, but I'm convinced that he would be a solid president.

patteeu
07-04-2011, 04:42 PM
Also, I'm a staunch conservative, and I'm fine with Romney. He's not the most conservative guy in the world, but I'm convinced that he would be a solid president.

+1

BucEyedPea
07-04-2011, 05:26 PM
Also, I'm a staunch conservative, and I'm fine with Romney. He's not the most conservative guy in the world, but I'm convinced that he would be a solid president.

LMAO

Chocolate Hog
07-04-2011, 10:35 PM
No Saul you aren't a staunch conservative just an idiot.

Chocolate Hog
07-04-2011, 10:36 PM
No surprise Pat likes Romney they both are moderate Democrats after all.

"Romney also made a concerted effort to increase tax revenue, in part by raising fees by a grand total of $432 million on marriage licenses, driver's license renewals, gun permits, community-college tuitions, deed registrations, Children's Medical Security Program co-pays and premiums, probation services, deliveries of petroleum products, bottle deposits, mortgage-broker licenses, and civil-service exams, and in part by closing $309 million in corporate tax loopholes. (He also raised the sales tax on used cars.)"

ROFL Yup he's a conservative alright!

Ugly Duck
07-04-2011, 10:47 PM
Obama isn't likeable

March 2011 Quinnipac poll: Pollster Peter Brown. "Almost three in four Americans, 74 percent, say they like President Obama personally."

Chocolate Hog
07-04-2011, 10:49 PM
March 2011 Quinnipac poll: Pollster Peter Brown. "Almost three in four Americans, 74 percent, say they like President Obama personally."

People don't use facts in here.

Ugly Duck
07-04-2011, 10:52 PM
People don't use facts in here.

But.... but wouldn't that just leave their opinions unsubstantiated & therefore amounting to little more than BS?

stevieray
07-04-2011, 11:54 PM
March 2011 Quinnipac poll: Pollster Peter Brown. "Almost three in four Americans, 74 percent, say they like President Obama personally."

personally? :LOL:

VAChief
07-05-2011, 08:02 AM
personally? :LOL:

I think you would have found similar disparities when President Bush was in office (W). Many had nothing against him personally, but thought he could do a better job as POTUS. I'm not sure what you find so hilarious here, no one is keeping you from popping a vein if you want.

patteeu
07-05-2011, 08:29 AM
No surprise Pat likes Romney they both are moderate Democrats after all.

"Romney also made a concerted effort to increase tax revenue, in part by raising fees by a grand total of $432 million on marriage licenses, driver's license renewals, gun permits, community-college tuitions, deed registrations, Children's Medical Security Program co-pays and premiums, probation services, deliveries of petroleum products, bottle deposits, mortgage-broker licenses, and civil-service exams, and in part by closing $309 million in corporate tax loopholes. (He also raised the sales tax on used cars.)"

ROFL Yup he's a conservative alright!

I'm even worse than a RINO, aren't I?

mlyonsd
07-05-2011, 08:45 AM
LMAOSo if it comes down to Romney/Obama you write in Paul? Seriously?

Jaric
07-05-2011, 09:12 AM
So if it comes down to Romney/Obama you write in Paul? Seriously?

If she feels he is the best man for the job, shouldn't that be the man/woman she votes for?

I don't know about you, but I'm tired of voting for idiots simply because I've determined them to be less idiotic than my other option. The only way we're ever going to get any real change in this country is when the voting public starts being more concerned with who they think will do a good job as opposed to who they think will win.

BucEyedPea
07-05-2011, 09:19 AM
So if it comes down to Romney/Obama you write in Paul? Seriously?

Did I say that? I was laughing at the claim of being a "staunch" conservative. I thought Saul claimed he wasn't even a conservative but a moderate at one time. Patteeu is liberal on social values. Neither posters are "staunch" conservatives. That's what's funny. It's not practical to patteeu anyway. This is why a Romney appeals to both of them because no "staunch" conservative would vote for Romney in a GOP primary while leftists on this very board LIKE him as the better R to run against Obama.

I will NOT vote for Romney because he's a liberal, not a conservative as opposed to the claim that he's merely not all that conservative and he will not repeal Obamacare. That being said, I think he's is the least likely to get involved in bombing Iran for Israel.

I could vote for Bachman but she's appears to be drinking the NC Kool Aid on Iran. And may just be that I throw away my vote again. If so then that's the way it is and that is my right.

BucEyedPea
07-05-2011, 09:23 AM
So if it comes down to Romney/Obama you write in Paul? Seriously?

BTW, did you see Ron's brilliant solution to the debt crisis without a default, that even the left could support. It was on the New Republic. In a representative Republic no one can ever claim that the majority won't vote for someone who would wind up slaughtering their country or them.

Saul Good
07-05-2011, 10:10 AM
And that is truly sad if true~

Did I say that? I was laughing at the claim of being a "staunch" conservative. I thought Saul claimed he wasn't even a conservative but a moderate at one time. Patteeu is liberal on social values. Neither posters are "staunch" conservatives. That's what's funny. It's not practical to patteeu anyway. This is why a Romney appeals to both of them because no "staunch" conservative would vote for Romney in a GOP primary while leftists on this very board LIKE him as the better R to run against Obama.

I will NOT vote for Romney because he's a liberal, not a conservative as opposed to the claim that he's merely not all that conservative and he will not repeal Obamacare. That being said, I think he's is the least likely to get involved in bombing Iran for Israel.

I could vote for Bachman but she's appears to be drinking the NC Kool Aid on Iran. And may just be that I throw away my vote again. If so then that's the way it is and that is my right.

I have never called myself a moderate. Most people would consider me to be fiscally conservative, socially moderate, and politically practical.

Even my "moderate" social positions are conservative, IMO. Legalizing weed, prostitution, gambling, and gay unions are in line with true conservative ideology if you ask me.

Saul Good
07-05-2011, 10:15 AM
No Saul you aren't a staunch conservative just an idiot.

What got you so angry, billay? Bad day at work? Did a fat girl make the record skip while taking "two hops this time"?

BucEyedPea
07-05-2011, 12:35 PM
But.... but wouldn't that just leave their opinions unsubstantiated & therefore amounting to little more than BS?

An opinion may or may not be based on fact. It's just an opinion.

BucEyedPea
07-05-2011, 12:36 PM
I have never called myself a moderate. Most people would consider me to be fiscally conservative, socially moderate, and politically practical.

Even my "moderate" social positions are conservative, IMO. Legalizing weed, prostitution, gambling, and gay unions are in line with true conservative ideology if you ask me.

Those are not conservative—AT ALL. Nor are they moderate. They are libertarian aka liberal. If you had a mix of those then you'd be a moderate but you have embraced all of those. Your foreign policy is not moderate or conservative either. It, so far from what I've seen, leans NeoConservative. It at least is statist since you accept the state's claims as to what are threats. Now, let's look at Romney again, he's not a fiscal conservative. Have you see what his HC in Mass has done? He may not have raised taxes but he just changed them to fees in Mass. He's a fraud.

Chocolate Hog
07-05-2011, 12:38 PM
I'm even worse than a RINO, aren't I?

You've been dodging the facts like Dick Cheney when it was his time to go to war. You do know a vote for Romney is an endorsement for liberalism right?

BucEyedPea
07-05-2011, 12:51 PM
Mitt Romney: Champion of Big Government (http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/howell5.html) by Carla Howell

Carla Howell sponsored the 2002 Massachusetts ballot initiative to End the State Income Tax – which Mitt Romney opposed. Her initiative nearly won with 45% of the vote. She is Co-Founder and President of the Center For Small Government.


Romney’s Words Versus Romney’s Deeds

Candidate Romney campaigns for president with the words we’re aching to hear. Words we want to believe. Candidate Romney tells us that he is a:

"fiscal conservative"
"tax cutter"
"waste fighter"
"opponent of runaway spending"
"tough leader who vetoes new taxes and needless government spending"

Let’s follow Mom’s advice: ignore candidate Romney’s words. Look at elected Governor Romney’s deeds.

What does he do when he’s elected?

Mitt Romney hits up taxpayers with a variety of new taxes – while pretending he doesn’t.

Mitt Romney jacks up government spending as much as any Big Government Democrat would.

Mitt Romney champions massive Big Government Programs – that make Ted Kennedy proud.

Read the whole thing for specifics. He's a tax and spend liberal. Besides, business success doesn't necessarily mean he'd be a good president as it's other people's money—something Romney enjoys taxing and spending.

BucEyedPea
07-05-2011, 12:52 PM
You've been dodging the facts like Dick Cheney when it was his time to go to war. You do know a vote for Romney is an endorsement for liberalism right?

Another corporatist patteeu supported was Tsongas the pro-industrial policy central planner democrat. Still the same guy after all these years.

go bowe
07-05-2011, 02:04 PM
An opinion may or may not be based on fact. It's just an opinion.

opinions based on fact are better just opinions than those based on thin air...

of course, in your case, your opinions are not only just opinions not based in fact but in pure fantasy...

and best of all, your opinions are almost always laughable *laughing hysterically*...

Chiefshrink
07-05-2011, 10:52 PM
Is our country in danger of becoming a nation of beach bums?

Hey 40% of our country is already there. How ironic that my error perfectly makes my point.

But yes I know it is 'serfdom'.:thumb:

Chiefshrink
07-05-2011, 10:57 PM
If Romney's smart, he will do just that. If he were to just say, "We tried this in Mass, and it didn't work. I understand the desire for universal health care, but it doesn't compare to a free market system", he would completely cripple Obama.

Oh of course. But Romney still has to come out first and admit that it didn't work and he has yet to do that. Until he does that he is still "neutered" politically against Obama to some degree.

BucEyedPea
07-05-2011, 10:58 PM
Oh of course. But Romney still has to come out first and admit that it didn't work and he has yet to do that. Until he does that he is still "neutered" politically against Obama to some degree.

Not only that but Romney is saying he applauds Obamacare and just needs tweaking.

wazu
07-05-2011, 10:59 PM
Like Romney or not, that is a pretty devastating ad.

Chiefshrink
07-05-2011, 10:59 PM
March 2011 Quinnipac poll: Pollster Peter Brown. "Almost three in four Americans, 74 percent, say they like President Obama personally."

And most Chiefs fans will tell you they liked Herm Edwards personally but he just sucked at his job like "O bastard".

Chiefshrink
07-05-2011, 11:03 PM
Like Romney or not, that is a pretty devastating ad.

It is you are right and what would be even more devastating would be an ad about healthcare in MA that didn't work and Romney admitting his mistake(under the guise of states are laboratories for ideas) that his healthcare was bad for MA and drawing the parallel with O'care. This is what he needs to do if he is to get over the hump with conservatives.

But he won't do it because he is a true politician in every sense of the word.

wazu
07-05-2011, 11:04 PM
And by the way, I think the Romney haters calling him a RINO are reaching. In the 2008 primaries he was one of the few candidates who pretty unapologetically articulated fiscal conservatism. He governed to the center in Massachusetts, but that seems defensible given the political realities in that state.

BucEyedPea
07-05-2011, 11:09 PM
And by the way, I think the Romney haters calling him a RINO are reaching. In the 2008 primaries he was one of the few candidates who pretty unapologetically articulated fiscal conservatism. He governed to the center in Massachusetts, but that seems defensible given the political realities in that state.

Governing to the center in Mass means governing to the left. That's where the center is in Mass. My mom was a socialist, never voted for a Republican and LOVED Mitt Romney. You need to read that full article by that small govt activist from Massachusetts I posted. Mass does have them. I would agree that he may have had to do that in Mass but it is still his record. So articulating fiscal conservativism and not practicing it has to be pointed out. Remember the line about how can you tell a politician is lying? His lips are moving.

Chiefshrink
07-05-2011, 11:12 PM
Governing to the center in Mass means governing to the left. That's where the center is in Mass. My mom was a socialist, never voted for a Republican and LOVED Mitt Romney. You need to read that full article by that small govt activist from Massachusetts I posted. Mass does have them. I would agree that he may have had to do that in Mass but it is still his record. So articulating fiscal conservativism and not practicing it has to be pointed out. Remember the line about how can you tell a politician is lying? His lips are moving.

:thumb:

BucEyedPea
07-05-2011, 11:13 PM
:thumb:
Thanks. That's where I was born and raised and lived most of my life.

wazu
07-05-2011, 11:23 PM
Governing to the center in Mass means governing to the left. That's where the center is in Mass. My mom was a socialist, never voted for a Republican and LOVED Mitt Romney. You need to read that full article by that small govt activist from Massachusetts I posted. Mass does have them. I would agree that he may have had to do that in Mass but it is still his record. So articulating fiscal conservativism and not practicing it has to be pointed out. Remember the line about how can you tell a politician is lying? His lips are moving.

I get it. Give me an electable version of Ron Paul and I'd much rather it. But given that isn't likely to happen, I think we could do a lot worse than Romney. Romney is pretty much the "blue-chip" prospect to unseat Obama right now.

And if he were to win, my read on Romney is that he would govern more to the center than what he espouses in the Republican primary. But I also think he would be far and away the most conservative president since Reagan. I also think based on his 2008 debate performances that he could actually sell conservative ideas to the American people as alternatives to the big-government answers that Obama will be promoting. That right there is worth a lot.

BucEyedPea
07-05-2011, 11:29 PM
I get it. Give me an electable version of Ron Paul and I'd much rather it. But given that isn't likely to happen, I think we could do a lot worse than Romney. Romney is pretty much the "blue-chip" prospect to unseat Obama right now.
Except there will be NO real difference.

Paul isn't electable in the primary. But already a CNN poll and another one last summer showed he has the better chance to beat Obama as he lags behind him less than the other Rs.

And if he were to win, my read on Romney is that he would govern more to the center than what he espouses in the Republican primary.
Which is also left these days.

I think this is wishful thinking. The danger I see in Romney is if the Rs pick up more seats in the Senate. Then we're back to a George Bush scenario with a liberal president and the house and senate going along. That's what Rs tend to do....go with the leader even when he sells out conservative principles. It's just a rinse and repeat.

But I also think he would be far and away the most conservative president since Reagan.
Again, wishful thinking.

I also think based on his 2008 debate performances that he could actually sell conservative ideas to the American people as alternatives to the big-government answers that Obama will be promoting. That right there is worth a lot.

'Cept he will not sell conservative ideas. He's a statist—plain and simple. I don't know where you're getting your information but you have not researched this guy. Don't forget he lead in the last primary only be upped by McCain.

To be honest, I'd rather pick up more seats in the house and the senate and let Obama win. Then stymie him in congress. If he uses more EOs to by pass the legislative process impeach him. That ought to give his VP some concern over using the same illegal mechanisms.

The Mad Crapper
07-06-2011, 01:58 PM
I think this is wishful thinking. The danger I see in Romney is if the Rs pick up more seats in the Senate. Then we're back to a George Bush scenario with a liberal president and the house and senate going along. That's what Rs tend to do....go with the leader even when he sells out conservative principles. It's just a rinse and repeat.

Any seats the R's pick up in the senate won't be Rino's. I'ts not going to be the same way it was in 2004. That ship has long sailed. :thumb:

BucEyedPea
07-06-2011, 02:39 PM
Any seats the R's pick up in the senate won't be Rino's. I'ts not going to be the same way it was in 2004. That ship has long sailed. :thumb:

I'm not countin' on it Mad Crapper.

Saul Good
07-06-2011, 05:22 PM
Except there will be NO real difference.

Paul isn't electable in the primary. But already a CNN poll and another one last summer showed he has the better chance to beat Obama as he lags behind him less than the other Rs.

Paul is more electable in the primaries than he is in the general, and about 1% pull the lever for him in the primaries. CNN would love to see an unelectable candidate on the Republican ballot for just that reason.

How in the hell do you figure than an arch-conservative would be more electable in the general than in the primaries? Never mind...don't answer that.

BucEyedPea
07-06-2011, 05:42 PM
Paul is more electable in the primaries than he is in the general, and about 1% pull the lever for him in the primaries. CNN would love to see an unelectable candidate on the Republican ballot for just that reason.
I disagree—somewhat. I see pundits on CNN preferring Romney even Democratic party stalwarts. They've come right out and said it. And don't be fooled by Romney's fundraising....much of it is pledged and/or is corporate mercantilist money. These guys include the crowd that are screwing America. Also don't believe shows like Morning Joe who have hid the name of the candidate, who is second to Romney on fundraising for the second quarter. It's Ron Paul.

Here's a screen shot of a Morning Joe report on that fundraising:http://k0pac.com/8EF6

How in the hell do you figure than an arch-conservative would be more electable in the general than in the primaries? Never mind...don't answer that.
He's not an arch-conservative. He's a libertarian for one. You need to brush up on political definitions. How do I figure this? I don't by myself. I would have this time around but polls show Paul appeals to more Independents than the other GOP candidates. He even has some appeal to some Progressives. I showed you those polls before. Remember?

If he's unelectable it's because people think this but he's unelectable in the GOP primary, not because you and others think he's unelectable but because they hate his FP. It's a red herring. This election could be another "Anybody but (person in office)" that will lead to another disappointment. Romney is a vote for the status quo. This nation's economy and prosperity have no real chance with the other GOP candidates. You can keep drinkin' the Kool-Aid though.

The Mad Crapper
07-06-2011, 05:56 PM
Ron Paul will never get enough states to win the primary because he's perceived as an anti-semite.

And why would the R's want to take a (rare) potential advantage away:

http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/dick-morris/169715-obama-losing-jewish-voters

Saul Good
07-06-2011, 07:36 PM
Ron Paul will never get enough states to win the primary because that would involve winning a state.

FYP

Chocolate Hog
07-06-2011, 07:38 PM
And by the way, I think the Romney haters calling him a RINO are reaching. In the 2008 primaries he was one of the few candidates who pretty unapologetically articulated fiscal conservatism. He governed to the center in Massachusetts, but that seems defensible given the political realities in that state.

There is nothing in his record that indicates this. In Massachusetts he was fairly liberal and the economy in Mass. under his leadership was lackluster.

patteeu
07-06-2011, 07:58 PM
There is nothing in his record that indicates this. In Massachusetts he was fairly liberal and the economy in Mass. under his leadership was lackluster.

He was dealing with a liberal democrat run legislature and serving a population that skews liberal. You can't expect him to govern as a conservative in that environment.

I don't think anyone thinks that Romney is a movement conservative. He's not a liberal either though. He's a right center politician who is more managerial than ideological and who will respond to the constituency that elects him. Unlike our current POTUS though, he believes in both American exceptionalism and capitalism and that goes a long way with me. I don't give a rip if he's soft on gay marriage or uninterested in the abortion issue. I'm not thrilled about his potential for mischief in the global warming and healthcare areas, but I'm not convinced that he's going to give up the farm in either of those areas. If the GOP can field an ideological conservative who has a chance of knocking off Obama, I'll be first in line to vote for the guy/gal, but I don't have a problem giving my vote to Romney because he can beat Obama and he's conservative enough to be a drastic improvement.

Chocolate Hog
07-06-2011, 08:17 PM
He was dealing with a liberal democrat run legislature and serving a population that skews liberal. You can't expect him to govern as a conservative in that environment.

I don't think anyone thinks that Romney is a movement conservative. He's not a liberal either though. He's a right center politician who is more managerial than ideological and who will respond to the constituency that elects him. Unlike our current POTUS though, he believes in both American exceptionalism and capitalism and that goes a long way with me. I don't give a rip if he's soft on gay marriage or uninterested in the abortion issue. I'm not thrilled about his potential for mischief in the global warming and healthcare areas, but I'm not convinced that he's going to give up the farm in either of those areas. If the GOP can field an ideological conservative who has a chance of knocking off Obama, I'll be first in line to vote for the guy/gal, but I don't have a problem giving my vote to Romney because he can beat Obama and he's conservative enough to be a drastic improvement.

Gary Johnson was doing the same wanna compare economies?

Chocolate Hog
07-06-2011, 08:21 PM
BTW the only reason people are jumping on the Romney bandwagon is because they think he can beat Obama. Remember in 08' everyone said McCain was the best chance of beating the Democrats?

The Mad Crapper
07-06-2011, 08:36 PM
Remember in 08' everyone said McCain was the best chance of beating the Democrats?

Everyone who? The talking heads on ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and MSLSD?

BucEyedPea
07-06-2011, 09:03 PM
Everyone who? The talking heads on ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and MSLSD?

I think he meant here as well.

BucEyedPea
07-06-2011, 09:06 PM
Ron Paul will never get enough states to win the primary because he's perceived as an anti-semite.
Only by chickenhawks and NeoCons. Are you a NeoCon too?

It's a smear anyway.

And why would the R's want to take a (rare) potential advantage away:

http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/dick-morris/169715-obama-losing-jewish-voters

Most Jewish voters are liberal anyway. Obama got more of their votes last time too. Besides the black vote out numbers them. Romney may get some Jewish votes but he will not get all of them. He definitely won't get the J Street Jews —at all!

BucEyedPea
07-06-2011, 09:09 PM
FYP
One state huh? You're still stuck in 2008 but at least that's more current than being stuck perpetually in 1939 with the rest of the NCs.
This is 2011 Saul.

Ron Paul is ahead in Texas per this new poll:

http://www.azimuthpolls.com/

Question: If the Texas Republican primary were held today, which presidential candidate would you be most likely to vote for?

Ron Paul – 22%
Rick Perry – 17%
Herman Cain – 14%
Newt Gingrich – 11%
Gary Johnson – 9%
Mitt Romney – 8%
Michele Bachmann – 7%
Tim Pawlenty – 2%
John Huntsman – 2%
Rick Santorum – 1%
Undecided – 7%


Your boy can't even win Texas in your horserace for an election. It is a horserace with you more than anything.

dirk digler
07-06-2011, 09:17 PM
It sure didn't take long for some of you "staunch" conservatives to start loving Romney. lol

The guy has flipped flopped 10 times this week already, he must not be wearing his magic underwear.

patteeu
07-06-2011, 11:47 PM
Gary Johnson was doing the same wanna compare economies?

No he wasn't.

patteeu
07-06-2011, 11:48 PM
BTW the only reason people are jumping on the Romney bandwagon is because they think he can beat Obama. Remember in 08' everyone said McCain was the best chance of beating the Democrats?

I remember saying that Romney was the best chance of beating Obama, so no.

patteeu
07-06-2011, 11:58 PM
It sure didn't take long for some of you "staunch" conservatives to start loving Romney. lol

The guy has flipped flopped 10 times this week already, he must not be wearing his magic underwear.

Here's a list of some of the people who endorsed Romney in the 2008 race:

Rush Limbaugh
Sean Hannity
William Bennett
Mark Levin
Dennis Prager
Glenn Beck
Hugh Hewitt
Laura Ingraham
Rick Santorum
David Keene
patteeu

There's some pretty staunch conservatives on that list.

BucEyedPea
07-07-2011, 06:07 AM
Romney = Status Quo

patteeu
07-07-2011, 08:11 AM
Romney = Status Quo

I wish that were true. We'd be a lot better off if we had a Mitt Romney running the show in Washington DC today than the guy we have.

Jaric
07-07-2011, 08:26 AM
Here's a list of some of the people who endorsed Romney in the 2008 race:

Rush Limbaugh
Sean Hannity
William Bennett
Mark Levin
Dennis Prager
Glenn Beck
Hugh Hewitt
Laura Ingraham
Rick Santorum
David Keene
patteeu

There's some pretty staunch conservatives on that list.Thanks Pat, but if you were trying to convince me Romney is all wrong for the job you could have just stopped with Glenn Beck.

Saul Good
07-07-2011, 08:48 AM
BTW the only reason people are jumping on the Romney bandwagon is because they think he can beat Obama. Remember in 08' everyone said McCain was the best chance of beating the Democrats?

I don't remember anyone on here saying that at all. Got a quote?

Saul Good
07-08-2011, 09:50 AM
One state huh? You're still stuck in 2008 but at least that's more current than being stuck perpetually in 1939 with the rest of the NCs.
This is 2011 Saul.

Ron Paul is ahead in Texas per this new poll:

http://www.azimuthpolls.com/

Question: If the Texas Republican primary were held today, which presidential candidate would you be most likely to vote for?

Ron Paul – 22%
Rick Perry – 17%
Herman Cain – 14%
Newt Gingrich – 11%
Gary Johnson – 9%
Mitt Romney – 8%
Michele Bachmann – 7%
Tim Pawlenty – 2%
John Huntsman – 2%
Rick Santorum – 1%
Undecided – 7%


Your boy can't even win Texas in your horserace for an election. It is a horserace with you more than anything.

"Can't even win in Texas"? You pick one poll from Paul's home state and act like its the pulse of the nation. Good luck with telling people they live in the past while you support a 75 year old who first ran for president 23 years ago.

patteeu
07-08-2011, 10:39 AM
"Can't even win in Texas"? You pick one poll from Paul's home state and act like its the pulse of the nation. Good luck with telling people they live in the past while you support a 75 year old who first ran for president 23 years ago.

I remember when several CP Ron Paul acolytes were confident that he was a real contender for the GOP nomination in 2008. I guess some people never learn.

BucEyedPea
07-08-2011, 10:56 AM
"Can't even win in Texas"? You pick one poll from Paul's home state and act like its the pulse of the nation. Good luck with telling people they live in the past while you support a 75 year old who first ran for president 23 years ago.

No that's your strawman, assumption or interpretation as well as moving your own goal posts or all four.

Let's back track what you said in your previous post #65 you did a "FYP" to MadCrapper's Post #64 as follows:
Originally Posted by The Mad Crapper View Post
Ron Paul will never get enough states to win the primary because that would involve winning a state.

I put up that recent poll to show that Paul is polling respectably this time around including signs he is winning in one state so far. That was your allegation right? Yeah, well to date, it's inaccurate. Your claims are last election. Yes, that is what you are stuck in.

Bachman is also ahead of Romney in NH currently and Paul is polling respectably there too, considering the number of candidates. In another earlier, thread I showed you 2 polls showing how Paul polls well among Indies showing he has a better chance, to date, of beating Obama than any of the other Republican candidates. He trails Obama, true, but he trails the least of all of the Republicans. Yet you say his chances are better in the primaries. That's your opinion which is not one based on any facts.

Now, here is a plea by a Progressive at Huffo, named Robin Koerner, with Progressive Democrats to register as Republicans, temporarily, to help Paul win in the the Republican primary as that is the more difficult battle for him.


If You Love Peace, Become a "Blue Republican" (Just for a Year) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robin-koerner/blue-republican_b_886650.html)
Ron Paul's electoral weakness is not a difficulty in winning a presidential election. It is in winning a primary in a party with a Conservative constituency that includes the religious right and neo-cons. An influx of peace and freedom-loving independents and Democrats would change the math on the Republican side and potentially the future of America by setting up a presidential contest with a pro peace, pro-civil rights candidate (who could outflank Obama on those issues, at least, from the left).

Again, you are stuck in 2007/08 thinking the dynamics are all the same as back then. They are not. You are in denial. You also have libertarian positions yet support an absolute statist instead.

Please note, that I have not said Paul will win ( I never say that about anyone) just that polls show he is polling respectably well this time around, better among Indies and 2 other polls show he trails Obama least. Just don't twist my words around or create a strawman when you set the bar at one state and I showed you one state.

Saul Good
07-08-2011, 11:01 AM
...and I'm saying he won't win a state. I like how you claim that he's "winning" in Texas. There's nothing to win yet. Until the first vote is cast, nobody is winning. A 0-0 tie is as close as this race will get in any state as far as RP is concerned.

BucEyedPea
07-08-2011, 11:08 AM
...and I'm saying he won't win a state. I like how you claim that he's "winning" in Texas. There's nothing to win yet. Until the first vote is cast, nobody is winning. A 0-0 tie is as close as this race will get in any state as far as RP is concerned.

I got news for you, he may have won at least one state last time too. It was either one or two primaries that were shut down because too many Paul supporters showed up and/or they failed to count the votes. How's that for the corruption in the GOP when they feel threatened? Fox also omitted his name when images showing graphs of straw polls omitted Paul entirely too. It was done again recently on Morning Joe. They don't want anyone to see anything like that about him. They are in FEAR of him.

Saul Good
07-08-2011, 11:13 AM
I got news for you, he may have won at least one state last time too. It was either one or two primaries that were shut down because too many Paul supporters showed up and/or they failed to count the votes. How's that for the corruption in the GOP when they feel threatened? Fox also omitted his name when images showing graphs of straw polls omitted Paul entirely too. It was done again recently on Morning Joe. They don't want anyone to see anything like that about him. They are in FEAR of him.

You are out of your fucking mind.

As an aside, I just read that RP finished 8th in the last election with around 20,000 write-ins. I think I could get more than 20,000 write-ins in 2012 if I were so inclined.

BucEyedPea
07-08-2011, 11:30 AM
You are out of your ****ing mind.
Takes one to know one they say. Obviously, this show you got nuthin' to refute with except emotion.

As an aside, I just read that RP finished 8th in the last election with around 20,000 write-ins. I think I could get more than 20,000 write-ins in 2012 if I were so inclined.

Still stuck in the 2008 election again. Again, this isn't 2008. ( nor is is 1939 ) Why do you keep ignoring that Paul is doing respectably better this time? No wonder you react emotionally. You have no facts, just opinion. NTTAWWT.

Let's go back there:

Paul was about to win the LA caucus but the GOP saw this coming and moved up the dates at the last minute because the other candidates didn't have enough delegates. This is where the remaining candidates supporters pulled some more dirty tricks, actually fraud. They made up a new ballot called Pro Life or Family something and had all of Huck's, Romney's, Guiliani's and McCain's go on that one ballot in order to defeat Paul. That's how they did an end run around the rules to prevent a Paul win. Sleaze!

There was some stuff going in in Nevada too where Paul came second place. However, it's the breakdown that is revealing. Most of Romney's votes came from Mormons, which was expected, but most of Paul's vote came from Independents with a large number of Republicans voting in the Democratic per Las Vegas Sun but per CNN exist polls showed 4%. GOP officials were warned that thousands of caucus goers had been given incorrect information on where to go too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada_Republican_caucuses,_2008

According to

Cave Johnson
07-08-2011, 11:52 AM
Romney's a fake sports fan to boot.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/07/07/the-fake-sports-fandom-of-the-presidential-candidates.html

"While the Republican frontrunner watched Josh Beckett throw a one-hitter, he marveled that the Rays were playing home games indoors. <b>"I thought I was going to be in sweltering heat," Romney said, "but instead it's cool." </b>Tropicana Field has been hosting major-league games since 1998."

I guess that's better than calling the Trop a shitbox, though.

BucEyedPea
07-08-2011, 11:55 AM
He placed higher in final votes than Romney and Guiliani in some states.

Kentucky
Paul 6.9% 3rd Place
Romney 4.65%
Giuliani 1.54%

Penn
Paul 16% 2nd Place
Huck 11%

Romney doesn't even place. McCain gets 78%

Virginia, DC, Kansas
Paul beats Romney in all these and by double the amount in Kansas

Paul got 25% of the vote in Montana and 15.9% in Minn, 17% in Alaska. 18% in Maine, 9% in Iowa Many states he only gets 5% and the most liberal states like Mass he gets around 2%


Yet, Saul, you intimate Paul only govt around 2% per state. Yet, I recall it was Guiliani that was predicted to win and was electable too. He barely placed.

Saul Good
07-08-2011, 12:01 PM
I'm confused. Is it living in the past to point out anything that happened in 2008, or does that ony apply to when RP got his clock cleaned?

RP finished ahead of Romney a few times after Romney dropped out of the race. Congrats on that monumental achievement.

Don't make me break out the Paul v Saul scoreboard again.

BucEyedPea
07-08-2011, 01:06 PM
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Look at the comments including Indies changing their unaffiliated status to Republican.

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BucEyedPea
07-08-2011, 01:10 PM
I'm confused. Is it living in the past to point out anything that happened in 2008, or does that ony apply to when RP got his clock cleaned?
This sentence here is another example of being not "living" in the past....but "stuck" in it.

RP finished ahead of Romney a few times after Romney dropped out of the race. Congrats on that monumental achievement.
And yet many claimed they would still vote for him. I noticed you fail to mention Guiliani who was predicted to win or held the lead while McCain pronounced dead. Then look what happened.

Don't make me break out the Paul v Saul scoreboard again.
Again irrelevant. That was yesteryear. This is now. Come up the present, Saul.

How 'bout you break out the polls saying Paul has chance, compared to other Republicans, of defeating Obama in the next general election? I already agreed that he can win the GOP primary. I repeat, you haven't been given an argument disagreeing with that. Please come into the present.

patteeu
07-08-2011, 02:19 PM
Democrats for Paul start a Blog, another a Facebook:

Ron Paul is clearly a RINO.

The Mad Crapper
07-08-2011, 02:30 PM
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Saul Good
07-08-2011, 02:32 PM
Paul is currently tied with Newt for fourth place in Iowa with 7%. Romney and Bachman EACH more than triple his total.

In New Hampshire, Romney draws 42% which is more than quadruple what Paul draws.

Paul is a non-factor, plain and simple. He is an also-ran, and his national numbers will tumble further (inasmuchas falling from the bottom rung of a ladder can be considered tumbling) after he gets waxed in the early primary/caucus.

Short of changing the electoral college to a rigged straw poll or contest to see who can get their donors to send in their money on the same day, RP stands as much chance to become POTUS as I do.

Jaric
07-08-2011, 03:46 PM
Ron Paul is clearly a RINO.

True. He's probably far closer to being a Libertarian than a Republican.

Those are my kind of RINOs though.

BucEyedPea
07-08-2011, 03:55 PM
Paul is currently tied with Newt for fourth place in Iowa with 7%. Romney and Bachman EACH more than triple his total.

In New Hampshire, Romney draws 42% which is more than quadruple what Paul draws.

Paul is a non-factor, plain and simple. He is an also-ran, and his national numbers will tumble further (inasmuchas falling from the bottom rung of a ladder can be considered tumbling) after he gets waxed in the early primary/caucus.

Short of changing the electoral college to a rigged straw poll or contest to see who can get their donors to send in their money on the same day, RP stands as much chance to become POTUS as I do.

That's still an improvement of what he polled in 2008 and more than your 2% claim for 2008—my entire point. That's still in the R primary too—my other point. Next...

Yesterday, it was Bachman leading Romney in NH. Guess it depends on what poll you saw.

BucEyedPea
07-08-2011, 03:59 PM
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She's worried about her mother's Medicare being cut? She's a RINO! LMAO ;):p

BucEyedPea
07-08-2011, 04:01 PM
True. He's probably far closer to being a Libertarian than a Republican.

Those are my kind of RINOs though.

He claims to be a Constitutionalist first which he says is fairly libertarian.

All branches of libertarianism support the non-aggression doctrine. It's not merely left on social values and right on fiscal and economic issues.

Saul Good
07-08-2011, 04:08 PM
That's still an improvement of what he polled in 2008 and more than your 2% claim for 2008—my entire point. That's still in the R primary too—my other point. Next...

Yesterday, it was Bachman leading Romney in NH. Guess it depends on what poll you saw.

He'll wind up with about 8% or so in IA and NH finishing way back in the pack. After that, his support will dwindle down, and he'll wind up garnering no more than 5% of the vote and not coming close to winning a single state.

I didn't say he'd improve nor decline versus 2008. He will win a total of zero states matching his totals in 2008 and 1988.

He currently polls best in TX because that's his home state. He'll lose half of that support at minimum by the time ballots are cast there because he will have long since been defeated by then.