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KILLER_CLOWN
07-05-2011, 10:25 PM
from the security-theater dept

Apparently the TSA's Security Theater is a comedy. Pjerky was the first of a whole bunch of you to alert us last week about the TSA's massive failure to catch a Nigerian man who boarded a flight without a valid boarding pass. The man successfully flew from New York to Los Angeles. Apparently, the flight crew discovered they had a stowaway after people complained about the man's smell (even though he was seated in a seat). I'm not quite sure how complaining about someone's smell leads to them being found out as a stowaway, but what I do know is that the guy was not arrested when the flight landed. Instead, he was taken into custody a few days later when he tried to do it again by getting on a Delta flight from LA to Atlanta without a boarding pass. This time, the FBI took him in, but later released him. Meanwhile, the TSA was busy groping 95-year-old cancer patients.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110702/01460214949/tsa-can-grope-dying-old-ladies-cant-catch-guy-boarding-flight-illegally.shtml

orange
07-05-2011, 11:25 PM
The TSA is not the ticket checker for the airline. That's their fault.

Unless of course you're calling for the government to start checking people's tickets for the airlines.

KILLER_CLOWN
07-06-2011, 12:36 AM
The TSA is not the ticket checker for the airline. That's their fault.

Unless of course you're calling for the government to start checking people's tickets for the airlines.

You would think since they can grab you by the balls or the breasts they could actually stop a foul smelling foreigner from Nigeria by actually asking to see the ticket.

Amnorix
07-06-2011, 06:21 AM
errr...I think it's TSA, but the airports I've gone through lately were thorough in checking boarding pass against valid ID before they make you go through the usual round of removing belt, shoes, etc. etc., passing through security etc. into the secured area.

A review of the underlying story indicates he was screened by TSA, but apparently his flight documents weren't valid. So he was a stowaway, but apparently a harmless one as he'd been scanned etc.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/06/30/flight.stowaway/index.html?iref=obnetwork

petegz28
07-06-2011, 07:17 AM
The TSA is not the ticket checker for the airline. That's their fault.

Unless of course you're calling for the government to start checking people's tickets for the airlines.

Actually THEY ARE! They ALWAYS check your ticket against your ID when going through security.

orange
07-06-2011, 09:19 AM
Aviation security consultant Doug Laird, a former Northwest Airlines security director, said there were multiple failures. "The TSA is at fault, because he never should have made it past the checkpoint," Laird said. "The gate agent (at Virgin America) is at fault, because he should not have been allowed down the jet way."

Laird also criticizes Virgin America's "lead flight attendant," because the "head count" of seated passengers shouldn't have matched the list of passengers with tickets for the flight.

http://www.usatoday.com/NEWS/usaedition/2011-07-01-stowaway-_ST_U.htm

Brock
07-06-2011, 09:22 AM
TSA shouldn't let anyone through who stinks.

orange
07-06-2011, 09:23 AM
I think the stinking came later. Airline food. :p

orange
07-06-2011, 09:51 AM
ID Requirements for Airport Checkpoints
Airtravel

Identity Matters
Adult passengers (18 and over) are required to show a U.S. federal or state-issued photo ID in order to be allowed to go through the checkpoint and onto their flight.

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/acceptable_documents.shtm

We understand passengers occasionally arrive at the airport without an ID, due to lost items or inadvertently leaving them at home. Not having an ID, does not necessarily mean a passenger won’t be allowed to fly. If passengers are willing to provide additional information, we have other means of substantiating someone’s identity, like using publicly available databases.

Passengers who are cleared through this process may be subject to additional screening. Passengers whose identity cannot be verified by TSA may not be allowed to enter the screening checkpoint or onto an airplane.

Acceptable IDs include:

U.S. passport
U.S. passport card
DHS "Trusted Traveler" cards (NEXUS, SENTRI, FAST)
U.S. Military ID (active duty or retired military and their dependents, and DOD civilians)
Permanent Resident Card
Border Crossing Card
DHS-designated enhanced driver's license
Drivers Licenses or other state photo identity cards issued by Department of Motor Vehicles (or equivalent)
A Native American Tribal Photo ID
An airline or airport-issued ID (if issued under a TSA-approved security plan)
A foreign government-issued passport
Canadian provincial driver's license or Indian and Northern Affairs Canada (INAC) card
Transportation Worker Identification Credential (TWIC)
Non-US/Canadian citizens are not required to carry their passports if they have documents issued by the U.S. government such as Permanent Resident Cards. Those who do not should be carrying their passports while visiting the U.S.

This standardization of the list of accepted documents better aligns TSA with other DHS components, including Customs and Border Protection, and REAL ID benchmarks.

orange
07-06-2011, 09:52 AM
As I asked originally KILLER_CLOWN, are you suggesting that the TSA should tighten up their standards?

vailpass
07-06-2011, 11:37 AM
Aviation security consultant Doug Laird, a former Northwest Airlines security director, said there were multiple failures. "The TSA is at fault, because he never should have made it past the checkpoint," Laird said. "The gate agent (at Virgin America) is at fault, because he should not have been allowed down the jet way."

Laird also criticizes Virgin America's "lead flight attendant," because the "head count" of seated passengers shouldn't have matched the list of passengers with tickets for the flight.

http://www.usatoday.com/NEWS/usaedition/2011-07-01-stowaway-_ST_U.htm

This, this and that. Fail all the way around.

Last couple of times I've flown commercial I've had my boarding pass texted to me then put my phone under the scanner. Any chance making the whole ticket process electronic would help or would that more likely open doors for widespread e-fraud?

mikey23545
07-06-2011, 12:47 PM
We let a Kenyan sneak into the country years ago who has already done far more damage than any ordinary terrorist could do.

KILLER_CLOWN
07-06-2011, 02:43 PM
As I asked originally KILLER_CLOWN, are you suggesting that the TSA should tighten up their standards?

I'm suggesting if they can strip you down naked they could actually , well you know ask to see your papers. I think most are willing to show they actually paid for a ticket before they bare all.

Jaric
07-06-2011, 03:11 PM
Why would they want to grope some stinky nigerian man when there are elderly women wearing diapers to molest?

2bikemike
07-06-2011, 04:57 PM
We let a Kenyan sneak into the country years ago who has already done far more damage than any ordinary terrorist could do.

Nice :bravo:

planetdoc
04-23-2014, 05:47 PM
TSA Gives Full-Body Pat-Downs to 2-YO Boy, 6 yr Old Sister (http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/04/23/video-tsa-agents-give-full-body-pat-downs-2-year-old-boy-older-sister)
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/LZBBR9tSCPI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
In a video that is quickly going viral, a shocked father recorded TSA agents giving his young children full-body pat-downs. His son was just two years old, while his daughter was six years old.

In 2011, the TSA announced that it would modify its policy to reduce the likelihood of pat-downs of children under 12.