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HonestChieffan
07-10-2011, 07:53 AM
How will we ever rank the failures of Obama? There are so many and he has time left to rack up some more.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jul/10/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-barack-obama-will-add-more-debt-4/

PolitiFact — We’re able to calculate the debt figures for the earlier dates using the U.S. Department of Treasury’s “Debt to the Penny” calculator. The future debt amounts come from Office of Management and Budget projections. Because they are projections, they’re subject to change as economic circumstances change, but they are are widely cited among experts. (OMB doesn’t project future debt to specific dates, only to the end of future fiscal years, so that’s why our ending dates are only at the end of fiscal years.)

Here are the debt totals accumulated during the three periods we listed above:

End of fiscal year 2008, when the accrued debt under the 43 presidents was $5.851 trillion, to the end of fiscal 2012, when the debt is projected to reach $11.881 trillion. Yes, more than the previous 43 presidents.
Obama inauguration, when the accrued debt was $6.307 trillion, to the end of fiscal year 2013, when the debt is projected to reach $12.784 trillion. Yes, more than the previous 43 presidents.
End of fiscal year 2009, when the accrued debt was $7.506 trillion, to end of fiscal year 2013, when the debt is projected to reach $12.784 trillion. No, not as much as the previous 43 presidents.
Over the first two scenarios above, the debt more than doubled from the starting point (which reflects the debt under the prior 43 presidents) to the ending point. So in these two scenarios, Romney is right — Obama accumulated more debt than the previous 43 presidents combined. But for the third scenario, the debt didn’t double, so Romney would be wrong. This exercise is a testament to the fact that small changes in assumptions can produce big differences in outcomes.

The Mad Crapper
07-10-2011, 10:14 AM
How will we ever rank the failures of Obama? There are so many and he has time left to rack up some more.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jul/10/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-barack-obama-will-add-more-debt-4/

PolitiFact — We’re able to calculate the debt figures for the earlier dates using the U.S. Department of Treasury’s “Debt to the Penny” calculator. The future debt amounts come from Office of Management and Budget projections. Because they are projections, they’re subject to change as economic circumstances change, but they are are widely cited among experts. (OMB doesn’t project future debt to specific dates, only to the end of future fiscal years, so that’s why our ending dates are only at the end of fiscal years.)

Here are the debt totals accumulated during the three periods we listed above:

End of fiscal year 2008, when the accrued debt under the 43 presidents was $5.851 trillion, to the end of fiscal 2012, when the debt is projected to reach $11.881 trillion. Yes, more than the previous 43 presidents.
Obama inauguration, when the accrued debt was $6.307 trillion, to the end of fiscal year 2013, when the debt is projected to reach $12.784 trillion. Yes, more than the previous 43 presidents.
End of fiscal year 2009, when the accrued debt was $7.506 trillion, to end of fiscal year 2013, when the debt is projected to reach $12.784 trillion. No, not as much as the previous 43 presidents.
Over the first two scenarios above, the debt more than doubled from the starting point (which reflects the debt under the prior 43 presidents) to the ending point. So in these two scenarios, Romney is right — Obama accumulated more debt than the previous 43 presidents combined. But for the third scenario, the debt didn’t double, so Romney would be wrong. This exercise is a testament to the fact that small changes in assumptions can produce big differences in outcomes.

But those are just estimates. -Amnorix

ChiefsCountry
07-10-2011, 10:18 AM
Hopefully the legacy of Obama is to get his ass out of office and get a true conservative leader to lead this country.

The Mad Crapper
07-10-2011, 10:19 AM
Hopefully the legacy of Obama is to get his ass out of office and get a true conservative leader to lead this country.

Right now I'll settle for a new england liberal (Romney) if thats what it takes to send the chicago communist back to his rezko financed house.

ChiefsCountry
07-10-2011, 10:53 AM
Right now I'll settle for a new england liberal (Romney) if thats what it takes to send the chicago communist back to his rezko financed house.

I would take Bill Clinton back over the current Bozo in office.

banyon
07-10-2011, 11:04 AM
But those are just estimates. -Amnorix

Estimates are always reliable.

Bush estimated we'd still be in the middle of a 10 year 5.6 trillion dollar surplus to justify his tax cuts.

So what if he was only off by about -200%?

Your half-baked claim should stand up, right?

The Mad Crapper
07-10-2011, 11:13 AM
Estimates are always reliable.

Bush estimated we'd still be in the middle of a 10 year 5.6 trillion dollar surplus to justify his tax cuts.

So what if he was only off by about -200%?

Your half-baked claim should stand up, right?

Here you go, buddy (from another thread you conveniently ignored):

Democrats took over the house in Jan. 07

http://www.iaza.com/work/110710C/iaza13575833449700.jpg

I just love dragging you through the mud. LMAO

go bowe
07-10-2011, 11:28 AM
i dunno...

the graph looks like the bubble began to burst in '05 and continued downward to nearly the bottom of the graph before the dems took over the wh, and both branches of congress...

in '07, the dem's took the house but a republican president could still veto anything he didn't like...

i think your graph proves that the loss in home equity, almost all of it, occured on the repub's watch...

and what's it got to do with the issue of estimates anyway?

banyon
07-10-2011, 11:31 AM
i dunno...

the graph looks like the bubble began to burst in '05 and continued downward to nearly the bottom of the graph before the dems took over the wh, and both branches of congress...

in '07, the dem's took the house but a republican president could still veto anything he didn't like...

i think your graph proves that the loss in home equity, almost all of it, occured on the repub's watch...

and what's it got to do with the issue of estimates anyway?

It doesn't have to follow the argument, it just has to try to smear the other side. Even though, as you correctly point out, a normal person reading the graph would conclude otherwise.

HonestChieffan
07-10-2011, 11:50 AM
and what's it got to do with the issue of estimates anyway?


I diverts the discussion away from the gross incompetency of the Obama Administration to accomplish anything.

go bowe
07-10-2011, 12:05 PM
eh, that discussion is old hat anyway...

we all know how you guys feel about the big o and his performance thus far, it's not exactly news any more...

obama's a fascist socialist communist foreign born muslim who is stupid and evil...

we get that...

my question to crappy was how is the graph regarding home equity losses relevant to the issue of inaccuracy of estimates?

it doesn't appear to be, that's all...

HonestChieffan
07-10-2011, 12:13 PM
eh, that discussion is old hat anyway...

we all know how you guys feel about the big o and his performance thus far, it's not exactly news any more...

obama's a fascist socialist communist foreign born muslim who is stupid and evil...

we get that...

my question to crappy was how is the graph regarding home equity losses relevant to the issue of inaccuracy of estimates?

it doesn't appear to be, that's all...


I dont think thats very accurate to paint all people who don't care for Obama, his policies, or the direction he has taken as all saying Obama is a fascist. There are some but that wouldn't be close to the majority.

How many people feel as you state it has moved from feeling and emotion based to pretty well documented reality as relates to Obama's performance in office, not just those felling things.

Now back to your debate with Mr Crapper.

The Mad Crapper
07-10-2011, 12:22 PM
i think your graph proves that the loss in home equity, almost all of it, occured on the repub's watch...



It doesn't have to follow the argument, it just has to try to smear the other side.

Fail again, fellas.


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go bowe
07-10-2011, 12:31 PM
I dont think thats very accurate to paint all people who don't care for Obama, his policies, or the direction he has taken as all saying Obama is a fascist. There are some but that wouldn't be close to the majority.

How many people feel as you state it has moved from feeling and emotion based to pretty well documented reality as relates to Obama's performance in office, not just those felling things.

Now back to your debate with Mr Crapper.

nope, wasn't trying to paint all anti-obama people as anything, and if i did, it was unintentional...

was going for the kind of routine hyperbole that we seen around these parts every now and then...

and one man's "pretty documented" is another man's "not really", on both sides of the aisle...

The Mad Crapper
07-10-2011, 12:34 PM
It diverts the discussion away from the gross incompetency of the Obama Administration to accomplish anything.

Well... yeah. I mean, what else can they do at this point?

Bewbies
07-10-2011, 12:34 PM
"Never let a good crises go to waste."

I know Obama didn't say it, but that's his legacy.

go bowe
07-10-2011, 12:35 PM
Fail again, fellas.


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could you be more specific about how it fails?

you were responding to the issue of estimates being wildly wrong in the case of government forecasts, and you posted a graph which was not based on estimates at all, but rather showed losses in equity that have actually ocurred...

and what in the world does housing equity have to do with government economic forecasts?

maybe you should check your fail radar, it appears to be somewhat dysfunctional...

Bewbies
07-10-2011, 12:36 PM
The real estate bubble/climb was all fake. Those values would never have been seen had Washington not made banks lend to people that couldn't afford it.

I don't think you can put it on Obama, had he been able to vote on the legislation back when it was signed he would have probably given a 'present' vote anyway.

The Mad Crapper
07-10-2011, 12:36 PM
could you be more specific about how it fails?

you were responding to the issue of estimates being wildly wrong in the case of government forecasts, and you posted a graph which was not based on estimates at all, but rather showed losses in equity that have actually ocurred...

and what in the world does housing equity have to do with government economic forecasts?

maybe you should check your fail radar, it appears to be somewhat dysfunctional...

blah blah bah revision blah blah blah obfuscation blah blah blah conjecture blah blah blah

The Mad Crapper
07-10-2011, 12:38 PM
I don't think you can put it on Obama, had he been able to vote on the legislation back when it was signed he would have probably given a 'present' vote anyway.

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Bewbies
07-10-2011, 12:39 PM
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What created the bubble happened long before the bailout.

Everything Obama has done is a failure, you're not going to get an argument from me on that. :D

The Mad Crapper
07-10-2011, 12:42 PM
What created the bubble happened long before the bailout.

Everything Obama has done is a failure, you're not going to get an argument from me on that. :D

I hear ya. I'm just trying to make sure the record stays clear. Obama was a shakedown artist (moonbat translation: community organizer) who whipped up mobs to go into banks or offices and menace everybody who worked there. The message was "do what we demand, or else".

He's a sleazy scumbag.

go bowe
07-10-2011, 12:45 PM
blah blah bah revision blah blah blah obfuscation blah blah blah conjecture blah blah blah

erudite response...

and you call obama an empty suit?

you can't respond to posts with any substance whatsoever...

i think banyon's description of your posting is spot on - cartoonish...

fringe bullshit and no meaningful responses, yeah, that's the ticket... :clap: :clap: :clap:

go bowe
07-10-2011, 12:47 PM
I hear ya. I'm just trying to make sure the record stays clear. Obama was a shakedown artist (moonbat translation: community organizer) who whipped up mobs to go into banks or offices and menace everybody who worked there. The message was "do what we demand, or else".

He's a sleazy scumbag.

weak sauce...

make up shit and then call the president some names...

yeah, no need for rational discussion...

that's for people with a brain... /kotter

banyon
07-10-2011, 01:02 PM
Fail again, fellas.


Yeah, somehow that's responsive to the estimates claim.

You can't hang with people who can actually string together three sentences can you?

johnny961
07-10-2011, 01:08 PM
weak sauce...

make up shit and then call the president some names...

yeah, no need for rational discussion...

that's for people with a brain... /kotter

Some of the die hards on both sides of the political realm have such a strong disliking for anything outside their political realm that they try to twist any negative political development to support their views. I'm not a big Obama fan myself. But I am realistic enough to know that Obama didn't exactly inherit a bed of roses either when he took office.

go bowe
07-10-2011, 01:21 PM
Some of the die hards on both sides of the political realm have such a strong disliking for anything outside their political realm that they try to twist any negative political development to support their views. I'm not a big Obama fan myself. But I am realistic enough to know that Obama didn't exactly inherit a bed of roses either when he took office.

wtf is this???

reason and comprehension have no place in this forum!!!

commie rat bastard mecantilist!!!

johnny961
07-10-2011, 01:25 PM
wtf is this???

reason and comprehension have no place in this forum!!!

commie rat bastard mecantilist!!!

Heh. I set myself up for that one.

go bowe
07-10-2011, 01:30 PM
Heh. I set myself up for that one.

:) :) :)

The Mad Crapper
07-10-2011, 02:06 PM
you can't respond to posts with any substance whatsoever...


Are you mad? Good.

go bowe
07-10-2011, 02:17 PM
sure, i'm mad...

i was madly in love with your bullshit and you spurned me...

now i'll be mad forever and it's all your fault...

stevieray
07-10-2011, 02:21 PM
john. after so much sarcasm, and please correct me if i'm wrong...it comes across in two ways...ther's some truth in all kidding, and the "jokes" are a self defense mechanism.

The Mad Crapper
07-10-2011, 02:21 PM
sure, i'm mad...

i was madly in love with your bullshit and you spurned me...

now i'll be mad forever and it's all your fault...

Seriously, I don't know what I can possibly say to you. Obama farts and you smell roses.

The Mad Crapper
07-10-2011, 02:22 PM
john. after so much sarcasm, and please correct me if i'm wrong...it comes across in two ways...ther's some truth in all kidding, and the "jokes" are a self defense mechanism.

We all like to joke and kid around. Some people have great senses of humor (blaise and Saul Good come to mind). But others I think, they like they dish it out but get pissy when it's time to take it.

stevieray
07-10-2011, 03:24 PM
But others I think, they like they dish it out but get pissy when it's time to take it.

...that is miles away from who go bowe is.

go bowe
07-10-2011, 03:42 PM
Seriously, I don't know what I can possibly say to you. Obama farts and you smell roses.

carnations, dunderhead, not roses...

go bowe
07-10-2011, 03:47 PM
john. after so much sarcasm, and please correct me if i'm wrong...it comes across in two ways...ther's some truth in all kidding, and the "jokes" are a self defense mechanism.

ok, now don't go all psychological on me...

sarcasm has to have a bit of truth, or it's not sarcasm...

my jokes make people laugh, sometimes...

and sometimes i'm not joking at all...

don't know about the self defense angle, i just make fun of people every now and than...

like i say, sometimes they get laughs and sometimes they don't, but i keep trying... :):):)

go bowe
07-10-2011, 03:48 PM
...that is miles away from who go bowe is.

i appreciate that...

you're too kind...

The Mad Crapper
07-10-2011, 05:30 PM
...that is miles away from who go bowe is.

I hear ya. I wasn't singling him out.

I'm just saying some people are passive aggressive, and they try and make it look like they are just being funny, but I just sense alot of anger in the comments.

Like, I'm not allowed to speak the truth about Obama, they personalize and get angry with me, and then attack me.

You know when they were doing it during the campaign I could easily dismiss it at typical lib behavior giving the guy the benefit of the doubt, but now?

And you and I, I think we both see Obama the same way.

It's not that I have a hard time trying to understand people who like him, or think he's doing a good job, I just think for the most part they are being dishonest. They don't want to admit it that he truly is a failure and a disaster, and the media should have never promoted this guy because their narrative was BS.

I have a hard time taking crap from people who are dishonest. And if they are not being dishonest, then they are just plain stupid or they are crazy. Either way they should keep their mouths shut with the personal attacks on me, I don't go after them, I go after Obama. And everything I say is the truth. I can't help it if they are too blind or too whatever to see that. Just don't take it out on me.

Amnorix
07-10-2011, 09:08 PM
But those are just estimates. -Amnorix

I like how you double down on your own stupidity, and then cross-thread it. It's like watching you commit intellectual suicide over and over again. Fun to watch. Keep it up.

Amnorix
07-10-2011, 09:23 PM
MC's devatating blows...

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stevieray
07-10-2011, 10:33 PM
psuedo elitist bullshit

:hmmm:

johnny961
07-10-2011, 10:54 PM
MC's devatating blows...

<iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/hl_r-TTObKc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

LMAOLMAOLMAO

patteeu
07-11-2011, 07:55 AM
i dunno...

the graph looks like the bubble began to burst in '05 and continued downward to nearly the bottom of the graph before the dems took over the wh, and both branches of congress...

in '07, the dem's took the house but a republican president could still veto anything he didn't like...

i think your graph proves that the loss in home equity, almost all of it, occured on the repub's watch...

and what's it got to do with the issue of estimates anyway?

There was the beginning of a downturn early in 2006 when the campaign season started and people started realizing that there was a chance that democrats might gain some power. Then the housing market went straight to hell when the worst fears were confirmed in November of that year. :p

Amnorix
07-11-2011, 08:02 AM
Bit early to figure Obama's legacy. Obviously the health care reform will be a controvserial program for a long time to come, and we'll see how that works out. The big question, of course, is whether the economy turns around under his watch or not. I said back before he was elected that whoever wins would have a very tough road to hoe due to the downward spiralling economy, and that's certainly been the case.

The doom and gloom unmitigated failure posts by the right are amusing, but not more persuasive just because they get posted over and over again in different contexts.

The Mad Crapper
07-11-2011, 02:26 PM
Fun to watch. Keep it up.

It's fun to watch you double post in a thread.

Your dander must be up.

Significantly.

ChiefaRoo
07-11-2011, 11:29 PM
I would take Bill Clinton back over the current Bozo in office.

Amen.

BigChiefFan
07-11-2011, 11:39 PM
I would say the past 10 years plus has been like living in episiode of the twilight zone.

cosmo20002
07-12-2011, 12:36 AM
From reading the "Obama failure" posts, you would think that the day before he took office, the economy was booming and everything was going along just great.

Actually, he probably inherited the worst overall situation since at least the Depression. The economy was crashing--so badly that Bush had to bail out the banks--remember that? Plus two incompetently run wars.

So despite the stimulus (40% of which was tax cuts), unemployment still went to over 9%--as if it wasn't rising when he got there. Without his actions, you're looking at 12-15%.

The Rs seemed to get religion on spending and debt the second Obama took office. Unfunded wars, unfunded tax cuts, and unfunded programs like the prescription plan were just fine before Jan 2009. Now, they are SHOCKED at spending, most of which has been done to clean the mess the Rs and Bush made.

Despite the whining, there's no doubt in my mind that had the Rs won in 2008, they would have followed a similar path--stimulus spending, auto industry loans, etc. To not do so would have been economic disaster. And if Obama had not of done it, right now you would be hearing from the Rs how "HE DID NOTHING!" to avert a crisis.

I'm not a big Obama fan, but I preferred him over McCain/Palin and would vote for him again over the current crop of Rs.

Bump
07-12-2011, 01:05 AM
Hopefully the legacy of Obama is to get his ass out of office and get a true conservative leader to lead this country.

ya, the gas prices are starting to plateau. We def need a true conservative republican in office to get them up to at least $6 per gallon.

patteeu
07-12-2011, 07:06 AM
The denial is strong among the Obama supporters.

patteeu
07-12-2011, 07:08 AM
If Obama recovers from the disastrous first 2.5 years of his presidency to become a decent president it will be the biggest turnaround since Jesus rose from the dead.

http://hiscrivener.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/obama-cross.jpg?w=325&h=244

Bewbies
07-12-2011, 09:23 AM
If Obama recovers from the disastrous first 2.5 years of his presidency to become a decent president it will be the biggest turnaround since Jesus rose from the dead.

http://hiscrivener.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/obama-cross.jpg?w=325&h=244

LMAO