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HonestChieffan
07-13-2011, 08:46 PM
R'S SHOULD PACK BAGS AND LET THIS ARROGANT ASSHOLE SWIM ON HIS OWN

(Fox News) — From a GOP Aide at the Debt Talks:

“Over the last several days the White House has been walking back the savings on the Biden number. Thursday it was $2 trillion, Monday it was $1.7-1.8 trillion, Tuesday it was $1.6-1.7-1.8 trillion. This morning our staff met with White House folks and the wrapup from that meeting said that the WH is now at $1.5 trillion.

Given those figures, Eric pointed out that wherever we are it’s a long way from the $2.4 trillion needed to meet House GOP goals of dollar for dollar so he suggested a possible short-term goal in order to avoid default. Said to the President, since we can only reach so much in savings and you keep moving the goalposts, I will move off my position of only doing one vote in order to avoid default.

The President then got heated. He said he was willing to explain and defend his position. Said he could get well above the numbers the GOP is talking about with revenue increases. Said he wouldn’t be afraid to veto and he will take that message and defend it to the American people. Said if we default it will be a tax increase on every American. Said it is his responsibility is to the American people. Said, I have reached the point where I say enough. Would Ronald Reagan be sitting here? I’ve reached my limit. This may bring my presidency down, but I will not yield on this.

petegz28
07-13-2011, 09:01 PM
As I understand things, if we were to roll back the Bush tax cuts to people making over $250k, you know, the tax cut Obama was against before he was for it before he was against it? It would cover all over 25% at best of our problem. Bush tax cuts, according to Tax.com cost us $2.74 tril over 8 years. We are running a $1.4 tril deficit right now. So while if we rolled back ALL of the Bush tax cuts we still wouldn't come close. Let alone if we rolled back only those making over $250k.


So Barry I guess better be talking about rasing taxes on everybody beyond the pre-Bush levels.

Bewbies
07-13-2011, 10:47 PM
As I understand things, if we were to roll back the Bush tax cuts to people making over $250k, you know, the tax cut Obama was against before he was for it before he was against it? It would cover all over 25% at best of our problem. Bush tax cuts, according to Tax.com cost us $2.74 tril over 8 years. We are running a $1.4 tril deficit right now. So while if we rolled back ALL of the Bush tax cuts we still wouldn't come close. Let alone if we rolled back only those making over $250k.


So Barry I guess better be talking about rasing taxes on everybody beyond the pre-Bush levels.

Didn't gov't receipts go up after the tax cuts were instituted?

patteeu
07-13-2011, 11:16 PM
If it will bring his presidency down, I'm all for it.

SNR
07-14-2011, 12:28 AM
That would be idiotic of Obama. If it brings his presidency down, the Republicans will elect a president who will do the things he won't yield on.

Why he's not talking numbers closer to the Republicans is beyond me. It would not only get a deal done but he could point out to independent voters how bipartisan he is, that he's a moderate. Whether they believe him or not is another story, but they wouldn't be able to take this action away from him.

Yeah, he "loses" but it would prevent some of his worst fears from coming true.

mlyonsd
07-14-2011, 07:32 AM
Again, it would be nice to have these talks out in the open where we can be the judge of what is going on. Instead we're just getting editorialized political leaks.

HonestChieffan
07-14-2011, 07:41 AM
I don't think Obama can agree to anything without getting a checkoff from Valerie Jarrett. More and more this looks like the republicans are negotiating with someone who cannot make the decision.