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ROYC75
07-21-2011, 01:47 PM
GOP Rep. West: No Apology for Email to DNC Chief

Published July 21, 2011
FoxNews.com
Reuters

Rep. Allen West speaks at the Faith & Freedom Conference and Strategy Briefing in Washington June 3.

Rep. Allen West dug in his heels after congressional Democrats called on him to apologize for a heated email he sent to the Democratic Party chairwoman, adamantly denying reports that he had already done so.

West claims he was in his right to send fellow Florida Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz an email Tuesday calling her "vile" and "not a lady," in response to her criticism of him on the House floor.

"Don't poke me in the chest, that's the bottom line," he told Fox Business Network on Thursday, adding that an apology is "not happening."

His aides underscored that response following reports and audio tape that seemingly showed him backing off his original comments. In the tape, West could be heard telling a Huffington Post reporter: "I just apologized."

It's unclear what he was referring to -- a West aide immediately shot down claims that he had apologized, calling them "absolutely false." Wasserman Schultz likewise said she had not heard from West.

Both lawmakers claim they are now waiting for an apology from the other. West also tweeted Thursday: "U.S is in crisis & everyone wants to talk about congressional members not getting along,it's insulting to Americans to waste airtime on this."

West and Democratic groups are, meanwhile, trying to raise money off the incident, as the spat escalates.

Several female House Democrats penned a letter Wednesday to House Republican leaders calling on them to "disavow" West's comments. One lawmaker suggested the leadership take West out to the "woodshed" to set him straight.

"By any objective viewing of her floor speech, (Wasserman Schultz) was well within the rules of decorum for our chamber," they wrote. "Yet, Mr. West's response was completely out of order and an offensive personal attack with a clearly sexist tone."

The Congressional Black Caucus is expected to discuss the matter at an upcoming meeting. CBC Chairman Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, D-Mo., told Fox News he's going to have a talk with West -- the caucus' only Republican member.

But West stood by the email.

"I think it's important to stake my ground," West told Fox News on Tuesday. "It was about enough is enough, and it's my right to say that. She is the one elevating this."

The dispute started Tuesday on the House floor, where Schultz had said: "The gentleman from Florida, who represents thousands of Medicare beneficiaries, as do I, is supportive of this plan that would increase costs for Medicare beneficiaries. Unbelievable from a member from south Florida."

She was referring to a House bill to cut and cap spending in exchange for a debt-ceiling increase.

Taking offense, West afterward sent out his email, which said: "Look, Debbie, I understand that after I departed the House floor you directed your floor speech comments directly towards me. Let me make myself perfectly clear, you want a personal fight, I am happy to oblige. You are the most vile, unprofessional and despicable member of the US House of Representatives. If you have something to say to me, stop being a coward and say it to my face, otherwise, shut the heck up."

West also said her actions proved she is "not a Lady."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/21/gop-rep-west-denies-apologizing-to-dnc-chief-over-email/#ixzz1Slc2AnAK

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I would say she is pretty vial with the way she threw the Republican women under the bus.

On the other hand, West could have handled it better.

alpha_omega
07-21-2011, 02:32 PM
Oh noes....Cleaver is going to have a talk with him.

ROYC75
07-21-2011, 03:41 PM
Republican women scold DNC boss for calling GOP 'anti-woman'
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Congresswoman Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-WA), along with about 16 of her female Republican colleagues in the House of Representatives, took Debbie Wasserman Schultz to task for her baseless claim that the Republican party is "anti-woman."

"It's just so hard for me to grasp how they could be so anti-women as they are," Wasserman Schultz told reporters, according to U.S. News and World Report.

"The pushback and the guttural reaction from women against the Republican's agenda out of the gate, the war on women that the Republicans have been waging since they took over the House, I think is going to not only restore but possibly helps us exceed the president's margin of victory in the next election," she added.

According to the National Review, the 17 GOP women issued a statement saying:

“Apparently it’s open season on Republican women. Between Ed Schultz’s tasteless insult of a conservative woman radio host, and Congresswoman Wasserman Schultz’s comments that the Republican Party is ‘anti-women,’ the tone in Washington, D.C. has reached a new low.

“Debbie’s accusations are baseless and inaccurate. Republican women fight every day for the women who can’t start a business because of burdensome taxes and regulations, for the women who worry that we are capping their children’s future and trading it to China in exchange for cheap loans, for the women who deserve to make their own health care choices, and for this year’s young women graduates who are entering a job market stagnated by Washington-driven uncertainty.

“It’s disappointing that Democrats would rather call names and use such divisive language than find areas where we can work together on behalf of American women and families.”

The article reported that "U.S. Representatives Marsha Blackburn (R-TN), Sandy Adams (R-FL), Michele Bachmann (R-MN), Judy Biggert (R-IL), Diane Black (R-TN), Ann Marie Buerkle (R-NY), Shelley Moore Capito (R-WV), Renee Ellmers (R-NC), Vicky Hartzler (R-MO), Nan Hayworth (R-NY), Lynn Jenkins (R-KS), Cynthia Lummis (R-WY), Mary Bono Mack (R-CA), Candice Miller (R-MI), and Martha Roby (R-AL)" joined McMorris Rodgers in scolding Wasserman Schultz.

Kathryn Jean Lopez writes at the National Review: "Debbie Wasserman Schultz should really know better. Calling Republicans “anti-women” is such a lazy and tired slander."

But slander, smears, and lies seem to be all the Democrats have considering they haven't really accomplished anything worth mentioning.
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It was just last month that Wasserman Schultz claimed Republicans were out to kill senior citizens. Instead of retracting her statement, she doubled down:

Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the new chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee , said Thursday the budget plan put out by Republicans is a "death trap" for senior citizens.

When asked if she really intended to say the plan would kill senior citizens, Wasserman Schultz "doubled down," according to an article at The Hill.

"That's exactly what I'm suggesting," she said during an appearance on CNN.

Wasserman Schultz recently engaged in a bit of hypocrisy Thursday evening when she issued another smear against Republicans. The Hill reports:

“If it were up to the candidates for president on the Republican side, we would be driving foreign cars; they would have let the auto industry in America go down the tubes,” she said at a breakfast for reporters organized by The Christian Science Monitor.

But according to Florida motor vehicle records, the Wasserman Schultz household owns a 2010 Infiniti FX35, a Japanese car whose parent company is Nissan, another Japanese company. The car appears to be hers, since its license plate includes her initials.

Wasserman Schultz, the new head of the Democratic National Committee, is giving voters a taste of what to expect in the 2012 elections.

Democrats have repeatedly accused Republicans of wanting to kill senior citizens and one - Ed Markey - actually made the ludicrous claim that Republicans want to destroy the entire planet. Worse yet, he was serious.

It is refreshing to see Republicans standing up and calling this nonsense what it is - baseless, tasteless, divisive, and inaccurate. On the other hand, it shows Americans that Democrats cannot defend their indefensible positions.

Continue reading on Examiner.com Republican women scold DNC boss for calling GOP 'anti-woman' - Spokane Conservative | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/gop-women-scold-dnc-boss-for-calling-republicans-anti-woman#ixzz1Sm3rePfx

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You go girl, I can see her telling the DNC, ( to the sound of Loverboys Turn Me Loose ) Just turn me loose, we own this economy.

HonestChieffan
07-21-2011, 03:57 PM
Can you believe this is the shit they are wallowing in?

jjjayb
07-22-2011, 07:00 AM
I would love to have seen West run for President.

Frankie
07-22-2011, 01:30 PM
Wasserman Schultz is one of the classier, more respected members of the Congress. Allen West, on the other hand is a fringe Right crazy and in some views a war criminal "electing to 'retire' after an investigation of his conduct during the interrogation of a detainee in Taji, Iraq." ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_West_(politician) )

I'm not surprised about this guy going off like that. Are you?

Warrior5
07-22-2011, 01:38 PM
Wasserman Schultz is one of the classier, more respected members of the Congress. Allen West, on the other hand is a fringe Right crazy and in some views a war criminal "electing to 'retire' after an investigation of his conduct during the interrogation of a detainee in Taji, Iraq." ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_West_(politician) )

I'm not surprised about this guy going off like that. Are you?

I'm not surprised. I like what he did.

mlyonsd
07-22-2011, 01:40 PM
Wasserman Schultz is one of the classier, more respected members of the Congress. Allen West, on the other hand is a fringe Right crazy and in some views a war criminal "electing to 'retire' after an investigation of his conduct during the interrogation of a detainee in Taji, Iraq." ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_West_(politician) )

I'm not surprised about this guy going off like that. Are you?

She's the female version of Chuck Schumer. If you think he's classy then so be it.

jjjayb
07-22-2011, 01:44 PM
Wasserman Schultz is one of the classier, more respected members of the Congress. Allen West, on the other hand is a fringe Right crazy and in some views a war criminal "electing to 'retire' after an investigation of his conduct during the interrogation of a detainee in Taji, Iraq." ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_West_(politician) )

I'm not surprised about this guy going off like that. Are you?

Fringe right crazy? Keep believing the brainwashing MSN is feeding you.

Frankie
07-22-2011, 01:51 PM
She's the female version of Chuck Schumer. If you think he's classy then so be it.

Because both of them are Jewish?

vailpass
07-22-2011, 01:52 PM
I'm not surprised. I like what he did.

+1 We need more like him.

That hyphenated bitch needs to dry up and blow away.

Frankie
07-22-2011, 01:52 PM
Fringe right crazy? Keep believing the brainwashing MSN is feeding you.

Thanks for the advice. Is Fox News still fair and balanced?

vailpass
07-22-2011, 01:53 PM
Thanks for the advice. Is Fox News still fair and balanced?

Throw the jew down the well eh Frankie? Amirite?

mlyonsd
07-22-2011, 01:56 PM
West's Iraq interrogation incident....
While serving in Taji, Iraq (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taji,_Iraq), West received information from an intelligence specialist about a reported plot to ambush him and his men.

The alleged plot reportedly involved Yahya Jhodri Hamoodi, a civilian Iraqi police officer. West, who was not responsible for conducting interrogations in Iraq and had never conducted nor witnessed one, had his men detain Hamoodi. In the process of detaining Mr. Hamoodi, soldiers testified that Mr. Hamoodi appeared to reach for his weapon and needed to be subdued. Hamoodi was beaten by four soldiers from the 220th Field Artillery Battalion on the head and body. West then fired his pistol near Hamoodi's head, after which Hamoodi provided West with names and information, which Hamoodi later described as "meaningless information induced by fear and pain." At least one of these suspects was arrested as a result, but no plans for attacks or weapons were found. West said "At the time I had to base my decision on the intelligence I received. It's possible that I was wrong about Mr. Hamoodi."

West was charged with violating articles 128 (assault) and 134 (general article) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. During a hearing held as part of an Article 32 investigation in November 2003, West stated, "I know the method I used was not right, but I wanted to take care of my soldiers." The charges were ultimately referred to an Article 15 proceeding rather than court-martial, at which West was fined $5,000.

LTC West accepted the judgment and retired with full benefits in the summer of 2004. Asked if he would act differently under similar circumstances again, West testified, "If it's about the lives of my soldiers at stake, I'd go through hell with a gasoline can." After Lieutenant Colonel West was relieved of his command, an interpreter employed by a private contractor said that without his presence the region he previously oversaw "became more dangerous and chaotic".


I guess to Frankie you're on the fringe right if you care enough to stick your neck out just to protect the men that report to you.

vailpass
07-22-2011, 01:58 PM
West's Iraq interrogation incident....

I guess to Frankie you're on the fringe right if you care enough to stick your neck out just to protect the men that report to you.

Given that Frankie's sympathies lie with those outside the US this is not surprising in the least.

Frankie
07-22-2011, 02:29 PM
West's Iraq interrogation incident....

I guess to Frankie you're on the fringe right if you care enough to stick your neck out just to protect the men that report to you.

One comment from a private contractor (who are there for pure profit only) shoots down the entire argument. I get it.

mlyonsd
07-22-2011, 02:30 PM
One comment from a private contractor (who are there for pure profit only) shoots down the entire argument. I get it.It was your link melonhead. :p

Baby Lee
07-22-2011, 02:31 PM
classy liberal - check
lunatic conservative - check
critics accused of racist motives - check


Uhhh, Frankie, you owe us a corporate lackey reference.

Frankie
07-22-2011, 02:32 PM
It was your link melonhead. :p

And?

mlyonsd
07-22-2011, 02:36 PM
And?And what? You're the one that drug West's military career into this like you were holding it up for everyone to look at.

You're the only one that has a problem with it. That makes you 'fringe'.

Frankie
07-22-2011, 02:43 PM
And what? You're the one that drug West's military career into this like you were holding it up for everyone to look at.

You're the only one that has a problem with it. That makes you 'fringe'.

I merely talked about both party's personal resume.

mlyonsd
07-22-2011, 02:48 PM
I merely talked about both party's personal resume.You injected your own personal feelings into those resumes and I exposed you for it. You tried to paint your own picture of West as a war criminal and I set the record straight by pointing to your own link.

Oh, and Krugman is still an idiot.

go bowe
07-22-2011, 03:29 PM
Throw the jew down the well eh Frankie? Amirite?

wouldn't that taint the water and make it undrinkable?

vailpass
07-22-2011, 03:42 PM
wouldn't that taint the water and make it undrinkable?

LMAO But think of the interest rates you could draw

jjjayb
07-23-2011, 01:05 AM
Thanks for the advice. Is Fox News still fair and balanced?

Wouldn't know. Don't watch it. Just brain washing to the other extreme.

alnorth
07-23-2011, 09:40 AM
There is no doubt in my mind, whatsoever, that if Wasserman had an (R) next to her name, and West had a (D), the right-wingers on this board would be apoplectic and calling for West's resignation, and the thread would be up to page 10 by now.

I see nothing "vile" in Wasserman's speech. It was a political speech that disagreed with a colleague, and it was not personal. West lost his mind and went apeshit.

That people here "like" what West said and are attacking Wasserman for her speech, is proof to me that when some controversy erupts, the first thing a lot of people do is, not try to understand what happened, but figure out where the (R) and (D) is, so they can obediently line up behind their guy or gal.

Warrior5
07-23-2011, 11:40 AM
There is no doubt in my mind, whatsoever, that if Wasserman had an (R) next to her name, and West had a (D), the right-wingers on this board would be apoplectic and calling for West's resignation, and the thread would be up to page 10 by now.

I see nothing "vile" in Wasserman's speech. It was a political speech that disagreed with a colleague, and it was not personal. West lost his mind and went apeshit.

That people here "like" what West said and are attacking Wasserman for her speech, is proof to me that when some controversy erupts, the first thing a lot of people do is, not try to understand what happened, but figure out where the (R) and (D) is, so they can obediently line up behind their guy or gal.

And there is now no doubt in my mind that, given your own analysis, you just did exactly what you're accusing "West likers" of. I like West because he bluntly called Wasserman on her "political speech" in very plain terms, not the politically correct blather we see from all politicians. I like West because you know where he stands; his yes is yes and his no is no. Agree or disagree with him, you're never confused on where he stands. THAT's what I want from elected public servants.

alnorth
07-23-2011, 11:48 AM
I like West because you know where he stands; his yes is yes and his no is no. Agree or disagree with him, you're never confused on where he stands. THAT's what I want from elected public servants.

"You are the most vile, unprofessional and despicable member of the US House of Representatives."

That is the very definition of "gross overreaction" to a simple non-personal political speech. He came off as a disgusting angry madman. That, or a thin-skinned crybaby.

go bowe
07-23-2011, 12:46 PM
That is the very definition of "gross overreaction" to a simple non-personal political speech. He came off as a disgusting angry madman. That, or a thin-skinned crybaby.

i'll take angry for 1,000, alex...

Baby Lee
07-23-2011, 12:50 PM
There is no doubt in my mind, whatsoever, that if Wasserman had an (R) next to her name, and West had a (D), the right-wingers on this board would be apoplectic and calling for West's resignation, and the thread would be up to page 10 by now.

I see nothing "vile" in Wasserman's speech. It was a political speech that disagreed with a colleague, and it was not personal. West lost his mind and went apeshit.

That people here "like" what West said and are attacking Wasserman for her speech, is proof to me that when some controversy erupts, the first thing a lot of people do is, not try to understand what happened, but figure out where the (R) and (D) is, so they can obediently line up behind their guy or gal.

Precisely two people in this thread, used 'vile' in reference to Wasserman's statement, West and you.

vailpass
07-23-2011, 01:01 PM
That is the very definition of "gross overreaction" to a simple non-personal political speech. He came off as a disgusting angry madman. That, or a thin-skinned crybaby.

:LOL: DC brings out the she-male in some of you. How embarassing for you.

alnorth
07-23-2011, 03:49 PM
Precisely two people in this thread, used 'vile' in reference to Wasserman's statement, West and you.

The point being, that West's statement is obviously wrong and perhaps deranged. Which is why "liking" his statement is confusing.

alnorth
07-23-2011, 03:52 PM
:LOL: DC brings out the she-male in some of you. How embarassing for you.

If anything, that comment would be more appropriately aimed at West. This man has shown himself to be emotionally fragile, thin-skinned, and utterly unsuited to any job that could possibly annoy him.

As far as I'm concerned, West is a loud whiny crybaby. I'd be embarrassed if I were trying to defend someone whose tender feelings are so easily hurt.

Chiefshrink
07-23-2011, 04:12 PM
Wasserman is a "walking tampon":thumb:

SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTE COL.WEST:thumb:

Warrior5
07-23-2011, 06:29 PM
...This man has shown himself to be emotionally fragile, thin-skinned, and utterly unsuited to any job that could possibly annoy him...

22 years Army, 2 combat tours, battalion commander, Master Parachutist, Bronze Star...

Yep, he's obviously emotionally fragile, thin-skinned, and unsuited for any job that could possibly annoy him.

alnorth
07-23-2011, 07:37 PM
22 years Army, 2 combat tours, battalion commander, Master Parachutist, Bronze Star...

Yep, he's obviously emotionally fragile, thin-skinned, and unsuited for any job that could possibly annoy him.

His army experience is utterly irrelevant. What he did is completely indefensible. Its like trying to dismiss a murder conviction by explaining that someone's a great family guy before he was arrested holding a blood-stained hatchet.

His reaction to Wasserman's speech makes it self-evident, in and of itself, that he is a thin-skinned angry crybaby, unqualified to be in congress.

Direckshun
07-23-2011, 09:31 PM
I'm guessing the conservatives cheering on West in this thread are all men.

Stop me if I guessed wrong.

All conservative women in this thread who are applauding West, please stand up.

mlyonsd
07-23-2011, 10:22 PM
I'm guessing the conservatives cheering on West in this thread are all men.

Stop me if I guessed wrong.

All conservative women in this thread who are applauding West, please stand up.:LOL:

Chiefshrink
07-24-2011, 01:52 PM
His army experience is utterly irrelevant. What he did is completely indefensible. Its like trying to dismiss a murder conviction by explaining that someone's a great family guy before he was arrested holding a blood-stained hatchet.

His reaction to Wasserman's speech makes it self-evident, in and of itself, that he is a thin-skinned angry crybaby, unqualified to be in congress.

Spoken like a true politician. Are you a politician by chance? Are you a RINO or a Progressive Lib? But wait in reality there is really no difference uh?

Chiefshrink
07-24-2011, 02:04 PM
I'm guessing the conservatives cheering on West in this thread are all men.

Stop me if I guessed wrong.

All conservative women in this thread who are applauding West, please stand up.

BEP where are ya????

BEP, you would agree she is a "walking tampon" correct and not just during her monthly week of walking with mother nature????? I trust your sense of humor here BEP:thumb:

Direckshun, you would agree that most post here in DC are men thus the data is severely skewed to your conclusion. But then again like many manufactured polls by the Marxist Media you are doing the same here as well.

As well as being a lawyer do you do parttime polling for CNN and MSNBC as well?LMAO

go bowe
07-24-2011, 03:38 PM
direckshun is a lawyer?

he has a policy of not sharing personal information on this web site, so i doubt he's said he's an attorney...

besides, why would you want to insult a perfectly good useful idiot by calling him names like that?

Frankie
07-24-2011, 05:06 PM
Embedding is disabled with this video clip. Just go to this link and watch from min. 1:00 to 2:40.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iePhaFzAHHw

Like I said, DWS is a class act and West is a fringe Right nut job with psychological issues.

Frankie
07-24-2011, 05:20 PM
Embedding is disabled with this video clip. Just go to this link and watch from min. 1:00 to 2:40.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iePhaFzAHHw

Like I said, DWS is a class act and West is a fringe Right nut job with psychological issues.

Of course predictably the sexist goon Rush Lamebaugh calls DWS "deranged!" What a shock! (watch from Minute 8:00)

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Baby Lee
07-24-2011, 07:15 PM
Embedding is disabled with this video clip. Just go to this link and watch from min. 1:00 to 2:40.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iePhaFzAHHw

Like I said, DWS is a class act and West is a fringe Right nut job with psychological issues.

The only possible explanation for all this vitriol toward West you exhibit is deep seated racism.

BTW - Great journalism wpbf, "we wondered how the citizens were responding to this tiff, so we asked the chick who's running against West in the next election what her response was."

KCWolfman
07-24-2011, 07:25 PM
I'm guessing the conservatives cheering on West in this thread are all men.

Stop me if I guessed wrong.

All conservative women in this thread who are applauding West, please stand up.

I missed your quotes condemning the press who thought they were off camera when they were insulting Sarah Palin calling her an idiot during a conference. I didn't see your scathing diatribe about Steve Cohen (Democrat House out of Tennessee) calling Republicans "Nazis" and compared them to Goebbels.

I haven't been on the board in quite some time, so it is possible I missed your heat toward them. After all calling someone a name that means a difficult human being (vile) is certainly not as insulting as calling someone stupid or comparing them to a person that advocated genocide. I am sure you agree that those people deserve more derision than West does, right?

Baby Lee
07-24-2011, 07:43 PM
We haven't even addressed the fact that Wasserman-Schultz was abrogating the House rule against remarking on 'personality' on the House Floor.

KCWolfman
07-24-2011, 07:44 PM
We haven't even addressed the fact that Wasserman-Schultz was abrogating the House rule against remarking on 'personality' on the House Floor.

Nor the fact that she chose to do so after West left and couldn't defend himself.

At least he kept it private in an email format, an email she chose to release to boost her standing with her childish co-workers that agree with her.

orange
07-24-2011, 07:55 PM
Nor the fact that she chose to do so after West left and couldn't defend himself.

At least he kept it private in an email format, an email she chose to release to boost her standing with her childish co-workers that agree with her.

Private?


From: Z112 West, Allen
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 04:48 PM
To: Wasserman Schultz, Debbie
Cc: McCarthy, Kevin; Blyth, Jonathan; Pelosi, Nancy; Cantor, Eric
Subject: Unprofessional and Inappropriate Sophomoric Behavior from Wasserman-Schultz

KCWolfman
07-24-2011, 08:01 PM
Private?


From: Z112 West, Allen
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 04:48 PM
To: Wasserman Schultz, Debbie
Cc: McCarthy, Kevin; Blyth, Jonathan; Pelosi, Nancy; Cantor, Eric
Subject: Unprofessional and Inappropriate Sophomoric Behavior from Wasserman-Schultz

I don't think West released the email. If I am wrong I apologize, but I thought Wasserman-Shultz was the one who did so.

mnchiefsguy
07-24-2011, 08:18 PM
Private?


From: Z112 West, Allen
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 04:48 PM
To: Wasserman Schultz, Debbie
Cc: McCarthy, Kevin; Blyth, Jonathan; Pelosi, Nancy; Cantor, Eric
Subject: Unprofessional and Inappropriate Sophomoric Behavior from Wasserman-Schultz

Looks private to me. I don't see Fox, CNN, or MSNBC in the cc line. He cc'd his leader in the House, the minority leader of the house, and a couple of names I don't recognize right off the bat. So yeah, I think you can safely say it is private.

Frankie
07-24-2011, 08:32 PM
The only possible explanation for all this vitriol toward West you exhibit is deep seated racism.

WHA...??!!!

Warrior5
07-24-2011, 09:13 PM
WHA...??!!!

Obvious racism...

orange
07-24-2011, 09:36 PM
Looks private to me. I don't see Fox, CNN, or MSNBC in the cc line. He cc'd his leader in the House, the minority leader of the house, and a couple of names I don't recognize right off the bat. So yeah, I think you can safely say it is private.

Any email sent to a minimum of six offices in Washington can be assumed to leak within minutes - which it did (to Ben Smith of Politico, in fact, who I don't believe has divulged his source). If West didn't know that* then he's stupid on top of everything else.

* I think he knew exactly what he was doing. He had fundraising up on the controversy within minutes.

p.s. Unless my search engine is broken, the word "private" is nowhere to be found in that email. http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0711/Allen_West_tirade_WassermanSchultz_viledespicablenot_a_Lady.html

KCWolfman
07-24-2011, 10:10 PM
Any email sent to a minimum of six offices in Washington can be assumed to leak within minutes - which it did (to Ben Smith of Politico, in fact, who I don't believe has divulged his source). If West didn't know that* then he's stupid on top of everything else.

* I think he knew exactly what he was doing. He had fundraising up on the controversy within minutes.

p.s. Unless my search engine is broken, the word "private" is nowhere to be found in that email. http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0711/Allen_West_tirade_WassermanSchultz_viledespicablenot_a_Lady.html

So you are condemning his actions for copying other co-workers in a company email admonishing a woman for condemning him in a PUBLIC format without his presence or permission (which is against House Rules)? Does that seem logical to you?

Seems to me he covered his bases so his intent wouldn't be misconstrued. In my opinion, she is vile and unladylike with her actions.

orange
07-24-2011, 10:20 PM
So you are condemning his actions for copying other co-workers in a company email admonishing a woman for condemning him in a PUBLIC format without his presence or permission (which is against House Rules)? Does that seem logical to you?


What she did is not against House Rules. You aren't allowed to direct your comments to another member - and she didn't. You ARE allowed to speak about another member to the Chair - which she did. This has also been cleared up.


This is being lost, to say the least, in the made-for-Jon-Stewart discussion of Allen West's angry e-mail about Debbie Wasserman Schultz. The speech that set off West was pretty banal, and included a reference to West, who had just spoken...

Incredulously, the gentleman from Florida, who represents thousand of Medicare beneficiares, as do I, is supportive of this plan that would increase costs for Medicare beneficiaries. Unbelievable from a member from south Florida.

Leaving aside the misuse of the word "incredulously," Wasserman Schultz had just referred to West, who had left the floor after speaking. (Like many freshmen, he'd cooled his heels for a long time waiting to speak.) Arguably, this violates the rules of debate. (my strike)

A Member must stand while speaking and address the Chair in their remarks (Mister or Madam Speaker; Mister or Madam Chairman). They must also refrain from addressing other Members, the President, the gallery, or the television viewing audience.

....

UPDATE: The Rules Committee tells me this wasn't a violation of House decorum.


A member can reference another member in their remarks. They just have to direct their remarks to the chair. They cannot direct them to another member.
The question is whether DWS was "referencing" West or directing her remarks to him. West obviously thought the latter had just happened.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2011/07/20/allen_west_was_right.html

If he actually thought that the rules were violated, he was wrong and he went off half-cocked. If not, he's posturing and he went off half-cocked.

KCWolfman
07-24-2011, 10:26 PM
What she did is not against House Rules. You aren't allowed to direct your comments to another member - and she didn't. You ARE allowed to speak about another member to the Chair - which she did. This has also been cleared up.


This is being lost, to say the least, in the made-for-Jon-Stewart discussion of Allen West's angry e-mail about Debbie Wasserman Schultz. The speech that set off West was pretty banal, and included a reference to West, who had just spoken...

Leaving aside the misuse of the word "incredulously," Wasserman Schultz had just referred to West, who had left the floor after speaking. (Like many freshmen, he'd cooled his heels for a long time waiting to speak.) Arguably, this violates the rules of debate. (my strike)

A Member must stand while speaking and address the Chair in their remarks (Mister or Madam Speaker; Mister or Madam Chairman). They must also refrain from addressing other Members, the President, the gallery, or the television viewing audience.

....

UPDATE: The Rules Committee tells me this wasn't a violation of House decorum.


A member can reference another member in their remarks. They just have to direct their remarks to the chair. They cannot direct them to another member.
The question is whether DWS was "referencing" West or directing her remarks to him. West obviously thought the latter had just happened.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2011/07/20/allen_west_was_right.html

If he actually thought that the rules were violated, he was wrong and he went off half-cocked. If not, he's posturing and he went off half-cocked.
House protocol then, not rules, my apologies. Addressing West well after he left. She used a scant few seconds to refer to West, but made sure her reference was made only after he walked out - A cowardly act that does deserve admonishment.

So if West is reprehensible for calling Wasserman-Schultz vile and unladylike, what is your opinion of Steve Cohen?

orange
07-24-2011, 10:38 PM
So if West is reprehensible for calling Wasserman-Schultz vile and unladylike, what is your opinion of Steve Cohen?

Who did he email?

KCWolfman
07-24-2011, 10:46 PM
Who did he email?

Ahhh, so a Republican makes front page, headline news when he emails a co-worker and calls her vile.

A Democrat says on the House floor "The Germans said enough about the Jews and people believed it -- and you had the Holocaust. We heard it on this floor, government takeover of health care." and no one remembers.

In fact, Cohen went on after questioned about his statement by the press and he bolstered it by comparing the Republicans to Joseph Goebbels.

I guess calling a woman unladylike is much more reprehensible than comparing your coworkers to genocidical maniacs.

KCWolfman
07-24-2011, 10:48 PM
To be fair, though Orange. I honestly don't care what Cohen said. I just care that people are blowing this statement way out of proportion to garner attention. The same ones who are crying West is a misogynist and cruel didn't say a single word when their co-worker said Republicans are as evil as Nazis. I find the action hypocritical at the least.

In my opinion, she was vile and unladylike. He was candid and had the good graces to tell her his opinion directly, as opposed to her waiting until he had left.

Chiefshrink
07-24-2011, 11:00 PM
I just care that people are blowing this statement way out of proportion to garner attention.

In my opinion, she was vile and unladylike. He was candid and had the good graces to tell her his opinion directly, as opposed to her waiting until he had left.

Precisely:thumb:

There is always a double standard when you are dealing with the "Alinskyites" especially for political gain. He kept it private and she hid behind House rules to "Alinskyize him".

If she had any class or maturity for that matter she would either have kept the feud private in e-mail back and forth with West or she would have just walked over to his office in private and had it out with him. But NO! As the good mayor of Chicago once said, "You can't let a good crisis go to waste". Apparently she saw West as a crisis that had to be dealt with:rolleyes:

KCWolfman
07-24-2011, 11:02 PM
Precisely:thumb:

There is always a double standard when you are dealing with the "Alinskyites" especially for political gain. He kept it private and she hid behind House rules to "Alinskyize him".

If she had any class or maturity for that matter she would either have kept the feud private in e-mail back and forth with West or she would have just walked over to his office in private and had it out with him. But NO! As the good mayor of Chicago once said, "You can't let a good crisis go to waste". Apparently she saw West as a crisis that had to be dealt with:rolleyes:

More likely as a dollar to be made to her campaign funds.

Chiefshrink
07-24-2011, 11:14 PM
More likely as a dollar to be made to her campaign funds.

Oh yes! HEIL OBAMA!!!!!;)

mikey23545
07-24-2011, 11:36 PM
His reaction to Wasserman's speech makes it self-evident, in and of itself, that he is a thin-skinned angry crybaby, unqualified to be in congress.


I'd love to see you say that to his face.

Chiefshrink
07-25-2011, 12:01 AM
I'd love to see you say that to his face.

Yeah and also 'diss' his military experience in front of him. It would be a boot up his ass in a millisecond:thumb:

Frankie
07-25-2011, 12:26 AM
Yeah and also 'diss' his military experience in front of him. It would be a boot up his ass in a millisecond:thumb:

You mean his choosing to "retire" right before being dishonorably discharged?

Direckshun
07-26-2011, 10:17 AM
I missed your quotes condemning the press who thought they were off camera when they were insulting Sarah Palin calling her an idiot during a conference. I didn't see your scathing diatribe about Steve Cohen (Democrat House out of Tennessee) calling Republicans "Nazis" and compared them to Goebbels.

I haven't been on the board in quite some time, so it is possible I missed your heat toward them. After all calling someone a name that means a difficult human being (vile) is certainly not as insulting as calling someone stupid or comparing them to a person that advocated genocide. I am sure you agree that those people deserve more derision than West does, right?

Methinks you missed the sexism in West's email.

KCWolfman
07-26-2011, 10:39 AM
Wasserman Schultz is one of the classier, more respected members of the Congress. Allen West, on the other hand is a fringe Right crazy and in some views a war criminal "electing to 'retire' after an investigation of his conduct during the interrogation of a detainee in Taji, Iraq." ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_West_(politician) )

I'm not surprised about this guy going off like that. Are you?

If "going off" is calling a woman vile, what do you call Steve Cohen (Dem from Tennessee)? He called Republicans "Nazis" and compared them to Joseph Goebbels. Why do you think he did not receive the press coverage West did?

KCWolfman
07-26-2011, 10:40 AM
Methinks you missed the sexism in West's email.

So, what you are saying is it is more reprehensible to speak to someone in a perceived sexist tone as opposed to calling someone a genocidical killer?

KCWolfman
07-26-2011, 01:07 PM
Not a single Democrat nor a single person on this thread has even noted the hypocrisy of this situation regarding a perceived intent on misogynist statements compared to theFACT that a residing Democrat has referred to Republicans as genocidical maniacs.

I honestly cannot take a single complaint seriously about this situation. You, and the Dems in power, are merely detracting from reality and don't need to be taken seriously.

vailpass
07-26-2011, 01:29 PM
Methinks you missed the sexism in West's email.

LMAO

KCWolfman
08-01-2011, 07:24 PM
So Frankie, alnorth, and Direckshun should be back on this thread at any moment condemning Joe Biden for comparing the Republican House to terrorists......

any moment.......

I am sure it will happen soon.......

waiting patiently......

orange
08-01-2011, 09:46 PM
So Frankie, alnorth, and Direckshun should be back on this thread at any moment condemning Joe Biden for comparing the Republican House to terrorists......

any moment.......

I am sure it will happen soon.......

waiting patiently......

Haven't seen any of them today (I hope if they got themselves arrested at the House demonstration they remembered to wear clean underwear), but I'll take a stab at it:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_DmtdGP6kzMQ/S6KOGgPHOSI/AAAAAAAANpw/7PEjJyRALHU/s320/JoeBiden.jpg

"And...[chuckle]...get this: the twerp demands an apology!"


you'll never guess where I found that

KCWolfman
08-01-2011, 10:23 PM
Haven't seen any of them today (I hope if they got themselves arrested at the House demonstration they remembered to wear clean underwear), but I'll take a stab at it:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_DmtdGP6kzMQ/S6KOGgPHOSI/AAAAAAAANpw/7PEjJyRALHU/s320/JoeBiden.jpg

"And...[chuckle]...get this: the twerp demands an apology!"


you'll never guess where I found that

I am sure all three are disgusted, as a terrorist is a much more inflammatory remark than "vile". I am sure they are as disgusted as when Cohen called the Republicans "Nazis". They just forgot to post their ire on the subject.