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KCWolfman
07-25-2011, 09:11 AM
Last week Robert Reich, former Labor Secretary to Bill Clinton, wrote in his weekly article "most of what government does is now so deeply woven into the thread of daily life that it is no longer recognizable as government."

In the article he noted more than 40% of Medicare and Unemployment recipients state they have never used a government social program. He basically stated he was proud of that statistic by saying government was so unobtrusive they just didn't realize they were receiving taxed services.

Really? Ignorance of the masses is something to pride yourself? At last, I believe it to be ignorance. What is your opinion? Ignorance, laziness, stupidity, flat out lying?

Chief Henry
07-25-2011, 09:15 AM
Yes, to all of the above.

HonestChieffan
07-25-2011, 09:18 AM
Many only know what is told to them. So Id say woefully misled. Especially those with only broadcast media as a source.

Generally people will do as little as possible to look into an issue and as a result, they stop once they hit some level of comfort in what they believe.

Im many cases they are easy to lead...they base some allegiance to or have faith in someone for a multitude of reasons that have nothing to do with the facts.


The world of the political game has not really changed since the days of traveling medicine shows, carnival side shows, and shell games. Times change, people don't.

BucEyedPea
07-25-2011, 09:18 AM
I refuse to answer because this is a blanket generality. Many Americans yes but not all and some are just one, two or all of the three. How many is anyone's guess.

I know the world's not going to end if the debt ceiling isn't raised. I haven't seen this must Establishment histrionics since TARP. They must have something up their sleeves.

BucEyedPea
07-25-2011, 09:21 AM
Many only know what is told to them. So Id say woefully misled. Especially those with only broadcast media as a source.

Or drink from the flow of Kool-Aid like The Weekly Standard and/or National Review...

Generally people will do as little as possible to look into an issue and as a result, they stop once they hit some level of comfort in what they believe.

Im many cases they are easy to lead...they base some allegiance to or have faith in someone for a multitude of reasons that have nothing to do with the facts.
But those who do investigate and find many myths being bought get labled fringe.
Actually underneath it all it comes down to emotions, as in what, who you like. Some love the state and trust all or most of its pronouncements, more so than liberty and some being a superpower to show strength or because they love war as a solution.

KCWolfman
07-25-2011, 09:23 AM
A blanket generality? More than 40% is simply not a supposition on generality. If it were a disease the CDC would have termed it an epidemic on the national scale.

BucEyedPea
07-25-2011, 09:26 AM
A blanket generality? More than 40% is simply not a supposition on generality. If it were a disease the CDC would have termed it an epidemic on the national scale.

Yes because your lead question, the one that appears you are seeking an answer for, uses the word "Americans."

You didn't ask us about 40% of them being those things.

Also, then you also use the word "masses" later.

Jaric
07-25-2011, 09:28 AM
Yes.

ChiefsCountry
07-25-2011, 09:29 AM
Duh its how Obama got elected.

KCWolfman
07-25-2011, 09:33 AM
I consider 44% of Medicare a
nd 43% of unemployment recipients to be "masses".
You don't?

Brock
07-25-2011, 09:35 AM
I vote ignorance, I guess. Although I think way more than 40 percent of Americans are flat out stupid.

KCWolfman
07-25-2011, 09:36 AM
Let me be more clear then, I consider Medicare and unemployment recipients indicative of mainstream America and representative of such. If you don't, why?

BucEyedPea
07-25-2011, 09:37 AM
I consider 44% of Medicare a
nd 43% of unemployment recipients to be "masses".
You don't?

I was referring to the question you directed to us, not to Reich or your later commentary.
Just saying that's how I read it.

BucEyedPea
07-25-2011, 09:38 AM
Let me be more clear then, I consider Medicare and unemployment recipients indicative of mainstream America and representative of such. If you don't, why?

I think what has happened is, and even more so in this economic environment, has created what can be called "respectable welfare" for many more Americans than in the past. I call this the corruption of socialism because it eventually corrupts the people more and more. They eventually don't want to give it up. Then when there is so much fear and uncertainty in a depression more need it as they see no way out. Instead, they get fed disinformation such as FDR saved the people in the past. So that kicks in. JMO.

Hydrae
07-25-2011, 09:50 AM
I gave up on the voting populace when they re-elected Bush. Pure stupidity IMO.

Donger
07-25-2011, 09:51 AM
KCWolfman?

BucEyedPea
07-25-2011, 09:55 AM
I gave up on the voting populace when they re-elected Bush. Pure stupidity IMO.

I gave up in the last Republican primary that elected McCain and may elect Romney.
I already gave up on the Democrats in 1992.

mlyonsd
07-25-2011, 10:02 AM
Ignorance and stupidity.

Ignorant because they don't know it and stupidity because they don't care.

HonestChieffan
07-25-2011, 10:10 AM
BUT...in their defense, we are dealing with some very complex issues that many people unless really into it, would not just have a native understanding.

Loopholes is a prime example.

If you have never done a Federal tax form beyond a short form, have no deductions beyond the standard deductions, then something like depreciation could be easily morphed into the "loophole" category.

If you have never owned a business, how could you understand how depreciation works, why it is in the governments favor to have depreciation and why if you did away with depreciation, the tax hit to the government would be huge. Making every item an expense that is charged against earnings in the year it is purchased would be a horrible idea. Yet we will have those who would say depreciation is a loophole and needs to go away.

Jaric
07-25-2011, 10:12 AM
For the record, you could replace "Americans" with pretty much any nationality and I would have also answered yes.

The mob, in general, is retarded. That's why they're the mob.

BucEyedPea
07-25-2011, 10:17 AM
For the record, you could replace "Americans" with pretty much any nationality and I would have also answered yes.

The mob, in general, is retarded. That's why they're the mob.

If that's the case than all responding in this thread are part of this group—no?

This is why I say not all. Perhaps not enough of them to make a real difference is more apt.

BucEyedPea
07-25-2011, 10:18 AM
BUT...in their defense, we are dealing with some very complex issues that many people unless really into it, would not just have a native understanding.

Loopholes is a prime example.

If you have never done a Federal tax form beyond a short form, have no deductions beyond the standard deductions, then something like depreciation could be easily morphed into the "loophole" category.

If you have never owned a business, how could you understand how depreciation works, why it is in the governments favor to have depreciation and why if you did away with depreciation, the tax hit to the government would be huge. Making every item an expense that is charged against earnings in the year it is purchased would be a horrible idea. Yet we will have those who would say depreciation is a loophole and needs to go away.

ending loopholes = tax increase without calling it one

The issues can be complex but they're not too complex. The fundamentals, however, are simple—you can't spend more than you take in continuously year after year. If it's true for the individual it's true for any group....including govts.

Jaric
07-25-2011, 10:27 AM
If that's the case than all responding in this thread are part of this group—no?

Yes. Myself included.

alanm
07-25-2011, 11:48 AM
KCWolfman?Yes indeedy!! A very rare Russ sighting. :thumb:

Otter
07-25-2011, 11:53 AM
Stupid and uninformed because of being lazy.

mnchiefsguy
07-25-2011, 12:00 PM
It is a good question. I would agree with Jaric and say yes, or all of the above. I think a certain percentage of Americans are lazy...I also think that a certain percentage are among the hardest working people on the planet. The ultimate goal should be that no one would need to be on them, instead of making them a way of life.

BucEyedPea
07-25-2011, 12:07 PM
Y'all are lazy, stupid and uninformed then.

Hey, y'all said so yer'selves. :p

The_Grand_Illusion
07-25-2011, 12:14 PM
"It's the corrupt liberal culture, stupid"

Too many have been corrupted to looking to government for all their answers, their needs or the need of others, to rewards themselves or others, or to punish others. All in the name of making liberals feel better about themselves. Not that some of this is necessary, it has just gotten too extreme and has gotten worse for decades. Just look at the monstrosity of government it has created to the point of bankrupting this country and future generations. Until this corrupt culture is exposed and corrected, this country will continue down this path to perdition.

Politicians for decades, their mouths have written checks, their asses can't cash for selling out a piece of the treasury in exchange for a voters vote, to help keep those corrupt politicians in power. It's all about power and deception.

TGI

Jaric
07-25-2011, 12:28 PM
Y'all are lazy, stupid and uninformed then.

Hey, y'all said so yer'selves. :p

Yes. I said exactly that in my post. The difference is that I know I'm stupid.

Bwana
07-25-2011, 12:30 PM
Nice to see you Russ!

BucEyedPea
07-25-2011, 12:33 PM
Yes. I said exactly that in my post. The difference is that I know I'm stupid.

I don't think you're stupid or anyone who has posted in here.

mnchiefsguy
07-25-2011, 01:34 PM
Yes. I said exactly that in my post. The difference is that I know I'm stupid.

Knowing is half the battle, right? :thumb:

BucEyedPea
07-25-2011, 01:42 PM
Knowing is half the battle, right? :thumb:

Or lack of self esteem, lack of confidence etc.


Not saying this post applies to jaric just giving you other reasons. Fact is most can't be up on all issues but knowing some issues better than others is what we can do. Doesn't make a person stupid or even lazy—at all! This is why we elect reps, because they have a job to study such issues more. They're the ones that lack leadership.

mnchiefsguy
07-25-2011, 01:43 PM
Or lack of self esteem, lack of confidence etc.


Not saying this post applies to jaric just giving you other reasons. Fact is most can't be up on all issues but knowing some issues better than others is what we can do. Doesn't make a person stupid—at all!

Yep...there is too much information out there, and events move too fast for anyone to be an expert on everything.

Calcountry
07-25-2011, 02:03 PM
Last week Robert Reich, former Labor Secretary to Bill Clinton, wrote in his weekly article "most of what government does is now so deeply woven into the thread of daily life that it is no longer recognizable as government."

In the article he noted more than 40% of Medicare and Unemployment recipients state they have never used a government social program. He basically stated he was proud of that statistic by saying government was so unobtrusive they just didn't realize they were receiving taxed services.

Really? Ignorance of the masses is something to pride yourself? At last, I believe it to be ignorance. What is your opinion? Ignorance, laziness, stupidity, flat out lying?Most are tools.

Calcountry
07-25-2011, 02:06 PM
I use as much government as I can in order to offset the screw job they do on me. In the mean time, there is leakage, from the time it is taken to the time it is returned.

Amnorix
07-25-2011, 02:07 PM
I vote ignorance, I guess. Although I think way more than 40 percent of Americans are flat out stupid.

Yeah, this. Or, at least, are stupid about things politic and economic.

Chiefshrink
07-25-2011, 02:44 PM
Yes, to all of the above.

BINGO:thumb: America's moral compass is off to some degree to the point where I doubt we return to the ol "pulling up own bootstraps" mentality.

ROME is HERE FOLKS!!! It's just a matter of time now.

Chiefshrink
07-25-2011, 02:48 PM
"It's the corrupt liberal culture, stupid"

Too many have been corrupted to looking to government for all their answers, their needs or the need of others, to rewards themselves or others, or to punish others. All in the name of making liberals feel better about themselves. Not that some of this is necessary, it has just gotten too extreme and has gotten worse for decades. Just look at the monstrosity of government it has created to the point of bankrupting this country and future generations. Until this corrupt culture is exposed and corrected, this country will continue down this path to perdition.

Politicians for decades, their mouths have written checks, their asses can't cash for selling out a piece of the treasury in exchange for a voters vote, to help keep those corrupt politicians in power. It's all about power and deception.

TGI

:thumb:

Chiefshrink
07-25-2011, 02:51 PM
Yes. I said exactly that in my post. The difference is that I know I'm stupid.

Not in the least my friend:thumb: You are waaaaaaay to hard on yourself;)

Jaric
07-25-2011, 03:35 PM
Knowing is half the battle, right? :thumb:

I've always felt that knowing what you don't know, if FAR more important than knowing what you do know.

Calcountry
07-25-2011, 03:47 PM
Nice to see you Russ!Ditto.

KCWolfman
07-25-2011, 03:48 PM
Ditto.

Thanks, to you and Greg

Jenson71
07-25-2011, 04:34 PM
Most Americans don't know much about the Crusades, but otherwise, I would think that the majority are relatively intelligent and educated and moderately hard-working depending on the subject.

mnchiefsguy
07-25-2011, 05:27 PM
I've always felt that knowing what you don't know, if FAR more important than knowing what you do know.

Too true. And acknowledging you don't know, which opens the door to seeking knowledge, is important as well. If you think you know everything, how can you learn anything?

RNR
07-25-2011, 07:51 PM
Nice to see you Russ!

This~